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Nonrandom Kingdoms
« on: April 11, 2012, 01:02:04 pm »
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Are there any resources or lists available to generate "interesting" (either human designed or created by an algorithm built to constrain the cards used in some way) sets of 10 from a list of available expansions?

I just recently started playing on Isotropic and perhaps I'm just getting spoiled by the wider variety of cards that I'm relatively unfamiliar with and therefore seem more interesting to me than the ones I own, but I feel like whenever I play with my own cards now and form my kingdom by dealing 10 cards out randomly, I'm much more likely to generate an "uninteresting" kingdom, by which I mean relatively easy to analyze and low variety of card types. That could of course just be based on the expansions I have too - Base, Intrigue, and Hinterlands. But it also made me curious if the Isotropic random cards were additionally constrained beyond the players's specified constraints to attempt to generate a more interesting game.

My own perception aside, it seems to me that the problem of designing custom kingdoms would be an interesting challenge either for an AI or for players to come up with - it looks like there was a Kingdom Design competition here some while back (which I can't use with my own cards since even the set that I own the most of, I would still need to replace at least one card I don't own.) Other than those sets, are there any lists anywhere?
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 01:31:05 pm »
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Well there's http://www.dominiondeck.com/. This is a website where people design Kingdoms and save them; so you can play what others have designed, or submit your own.

Then if you just Google "Dominion Card Picker," you will get lots of options for websites that randomly generate a Kingdom based on the constraints you provide (which sets; how many of what cost, etc). One such website is http://www.hiwiller.com/dominion/.
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 01:36:24 pm »
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Ah, thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for. I had seen dominiondeck.com for its use linked to some of the main articles here but for some reason hadn't browsed around on it.
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 01:37:03 pm »
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Well there's http://www.dominiondeck.com/. This is a website where people design Kingdoms and save them; so you can play what others have designed, or submit your own.

Then if you just Google "Dominion Card Picker," you will get lots of options for websites that randomly generate a Kingdom based on the constraints you provide (which sets; how many of what cost, etc). One such website is http://www.hiwiller.com/dominion/.

Similar apps are avilable for both iOS and Android, as well.
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 01:43:28 pm »
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Well there's http://www.dominiondeck.com/. This is a website where people design Kingdoms and save them; so you can play what others have designed, or submit your own.

Then if you just Google "Dominion Card Picker," you will get lots of options for websites that randomly generate a Kingdom based on the constraints you provide (which sets; how many of what cost, etc). One such website is http://www.hiwiller.com/dominion/.

Ooh, I like that second link! I knew about Dominion Deck already, as it was the first Dominion website I ever discovered (before Isotropic). But it always seemed a bit limited. It's nice to be able to tailor a kingdom to a set of requirements. I like random kingdom generation, but it's annoying when there's no +buy or +actions.

Another option, you can always do vetoes or drafts with your friends.
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 01:47:06 pm »
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The DominionStrategy tournament had user-submitted Kingdoms for the final round. The list of the selected kingdoms as well as the other submissions is at http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1662.0. Most of those kingdoms feature some very interesting strategic decisions.
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 01:51:10 pm »
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This is sort of one of the reasons I did the solo challenges (in the puzzle forum), I made up some Kingdoms and then gave them to the community to see how everyone else played them. Was a learning experience in most cases, as quite a few didn't turn out how I expected!
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 01:55:41 pm »
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to add to the rest, there were also a few sets designed for the last IsoDom Tournament. each set was designed to meet some loose criteria and then chosen by poll and Mean Mr. Mustard. here they are:

Round 1 - Curses
Round 2 - Rube Goldberg's Challenge
Round 3 - It's A Trap!
Round 4 - The Quick and The Dead
Round 5 - Break The Simulators 
« Last Edit: August 15, 2012, 01:51:40 pm by greatexpectations »
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 10:39:47 pm »
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Hi Avin,

I've been working on creating a card picker program designed to do just what you're talking about.. create 'interesting' and balanced Kingdom sets, with multiple strategies available. The program includes a wide variety of artificial selection options, including restricting by cost, set, and function. Here's the thread about the program, if you're interested:

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=787.0
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Re: Nonrandom Kingdoms
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 09:57:11 am »
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Hey thanks! This is definitely the best card picker tool I've seen now from the links people provided above and after I looked at a similar topic on BGG. I have some feedback and suggestions which I'll post on your own thread for it.
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