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[EFHW]

I don't see why 2.7's claim is necessarily odd, or before it.  He wanted to make sure he had a contradiction, and came forward when what Walrus said he did and what 2.7 saw didn't match up.

Coming forward also makes sense.. and trying to stop the mass-claim early is towny, I think.  If the point of mass-claiming is to try and catch scum, and he thinks he's caught scum.. why keep going on?  Wouldn't scum want to wait for their turn to gather more information?

I'm just surprised to see 2.7's claim not getting the kind of scrutiny that all of the other claims have gotten.  As for my not feeling good about it, I guess I should keep that to myself until I have more to go on.

Well, we're planning to massclaim.  I'm going to wait until everything's out there, if it's going to be, because analyzing an incomplete picture isn't necessarily helpful.

My impression has been that you are accepting 2.7's claim on its face and have decided that you see it and him as towny, not that you are withholding judgment until the end.

[EFHW]

I believe you can.  Ninja has to do with how the kill is detected (it isn't..), but roleblocking stops the kill from happening.

the wiki is down, so we'll have to wait to find out more.

[nkirbit]

I don't see why 2.7's claim is necessarily odd, or before it.  He wanted to make sure he had a contradiction, and came forward when what Walrus said he did and what 2.7 saw didn't match up.

Coming forward also makes sense.. and trying to stop the mass-claim early is towny, I think.  If the point of mass-claiming is to try and catch scum, and he thinks he's caught scum.. why keep going on?  Wouldn't scum want to wait for their turn to gather more information?

I'm just surprised to see 2.7's claim not getting the kind of scrutiny that all of the other claims have gotten.  As for my not feeling good about it, I guess I should keep that to myself until I have more to go on.

Well, we're planning to massclaim.  I'm going to wait until everything's out there, if it's going to be, because analyzing an incomplete picture isn't necessarily helpful.

My impression has been that you are accepting 2.7's claim on its face and have decided that you see it and him as towny, not that you are withholding judgment until the end.

I do think he's telling the truth, yes.

[2.71828.....]

Ok, each person should say a "yes" or a "no" about whether they have reason to believe an N1 action of theirs was roleblocked or if they tried to roleblock either pps or Walrus.

No, I do not think that my action was affected in any way

Does anyone feel that their role is comparable to Jotheonah's in terms not having much to do, and getting information that would probably only be helpful in a limited number of circumstances?

If an action role such as follower fits into that category, then yes, my role is not that exciting

[yuma]

Ok, each person should say a "yes" or a "no" about whether they have reason to believe an N1 action of theirs was roleblocked or if they tried to roleblock either pps or Walrus.  Please just yes or no for now.

No. 

Does anyone feel that their role is comparable to Jotheonah's in terms not having much to do, and getting information that would probably only be helpful in a limited number of circumstances?    I ask this because there is such a disparity between his and Walrus's roles, and I'm surprised to see an RMM role without more stuff to do.  ONLY ANSWER IF YOU ARE SAYING YES and DON"T LIE AS TOWN.  It might seem like clever subterfuge to seem to have a minor role, but it really won't help in the long run.

Yes to an extent and I should also say from a mod point of view that such a disparity is completely within the bounds of game creation. RMM is everyone gets a role, not everyone gets the most super awesome role ever... I am not perturbed by joth's role being small or by walrus's being extravagant... I think going down that road is a blind alley.

[yuma]

Here's a question - can ninja kills be roleblocked?

Yes, they can. The ninja equivalent for roleblocking is Strongman--which cannot be blocked.

[jotheonah]

It's a weak role. But in an ternate universe, it could have cleared sudgy. So it's not useless.

[EFHW]

ok, a couple people have said yes, so no one else needs to answer the joth question.  Please do answer the roleblock question.  So far, we have a yes from xeiron and no's from nkirbit, 2.7 and yuma.  Still need to hear from Jimmmmm, faust, jotheonah and ... ashersky. 

joth I didn't mean your role was useless, it just didn't make sense to ask does anyone have a really powerful role like Walrus.

[ashersky]

Sorry, crazy busy.  Trying to read along.

No reason to think I was roleblocked.  Is that the question?

[jotheonah]

I got a result on sudgy. So I wasn't roleblocked.

[EFHW]

after we hear yes or no from Jimmmmm and faust, xeiron should explain why he said yes.

also, remember the question is both were you possibly roleblocked and/or did you roleblock anyone.

[EFHW]

I also should expand the question to include N2, since pps might have traveled to the future on N1.  So answer yes if you think you were roleblocked or you tried to roleblock someone on N2 as well as N1.

[yuma]

Ok, each person should say a "yes" or a "no" about whether they have reason to believe an N1 action of theirs was roleblocked or if they tried to roleblock either pps or Walrus.  Please just yes or no for now.

No. 

I also should expand the question to include N2, since pps might have traveled to the future on N1.  So answer yes if you think you were roleblocked or you tried to roleblock someone on N2 as well as N1.

if we expand the question to someone, as in anyone in the game, then my answer kinda changes.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

I actually roleblocked someone outside of the game. I traveled all the way back to Mafia IV and roleblocked Robz. It didn't do anything fortunately, as it could have had some drastic effects on the timeline.

[2.71828.....]

I actually roleblocked someone outside of the game. I traveled all the way back to Mafia IV and roleblocked Robz. It didn't do anything fortunately, as it could have had some drastic effects on the timeline.

Now I have to go and reread Mafia IV......great....

[yuma]

I can dig the mass claim, but maybe someone would like to hold back their modifier so I can still clear my name?

I could potentially do this. I am checking with voltaire on something first...

Because it could also potentially show you that I am unlikely to be scum, as my modifier is one that I think scum is unlikely to have--and was actually something that I was unlikely to claim regardless

voltaire got back to me.... soyeah, i can do this if efhw approves of it

[nkirbit]

Is there a particular reason you wanted to do it, Yuma?  Or are you just volunteering?

[Jimmmmm]

Ok, each person should say a "yes" or a "no" about whether they have reason to believe an N1 action of theirs was roleblocked or if they tried to roleblock either pps or Walrus.

No.

[faust]

It's fine with me to check re: PPS role-blocking, but I don't see how anyone would know if PPS in particular role-blocked them. 

Ok, each person should say a "yes" or a "no" about whether they have reason to believe an N1 action of theirs was roleblocked or if they tried to roleblock either pps or Walrus.  Please just yes or no for now.  Don't say anything else.  I promise you will get your turn.  It may seem unnecessary, but one aim of my delaying claims has been to leave scum completely in the dark about who our investigative and protective roles are, if any, and we may decide to continue that if we get enough info for today. 

First question: yes. Second question: no.

[faust]

I also should expand the question to include N2, since pps might have traveled to the future on N1.  So answer yes if you think you were roleblocked or you tried to roleblock someone on N2 as well as N1.

I was not roleblocked N2. I did not roleblock N2.

[faust]

I have a question towards ashersky that I think has not come up yet (and I think everyone should consider this): You claimed to enable regeneration. PPS has flipped Enabled, but not Regenerating. What do you say about that?

[faust]

I can dig the mass claim, but maybe someone would like to hold back their modifier so I can still clear my name?

I could potentially do this. I am checking with voltaire on something first...

Because it could also potentially show you that I am unlikely to be scum, as my modifier is one that I think scum is unlikely to have--and was actually something that I was unlikely to claim regardless

voltaire got back to me.... soyeah, i can do this if efhw approves of it

You realize that if we do this like the plan is here (everyone but yuma full-claims), then you are going to be NK target tonight almost certainly? If we want jotheonah to confirm the modifier of one of us, I think at least two people should refrain from claiming their modifiers.

[xeiron]

after we hear yes or no from Jimmmmm and faust, xeiron should explain why he said yes.

also, remember the question is both were you possibly roleblocked and/or did you roleblock anyone.

I would prefer to claim near the end.
What I can say is that I have QT with somone.
I have fullclaimed there, and that person can confirm that I do not change my claim based other claims.

[xeiron]

I can dig the mass claim, but maybe someone would like to hold back their modifier so I can still clear my name?

I could potentially do this. I am checking with voltaire on something first...

Because it could also potentially show you that I am unlikely to be scum, as my modifier is one that I think scum is unlikely to have--and was actually something that I was unlikely to claim regardless

voltaire got back to me.... soyeah, i can do this if efhw approves of it

You realize that if we do this like the plan is here (everyone but yuma full-claims), then you are going to be NK target tonight almost certainly? If we want jotheonah to confirm the modifier of one of us, I think at least two people should refrain from claiming their modifiers.

This would not help much if jotheonah is scum. He could still nk one of them and say thats who he targeted.

[faust]

I can dig the mass claim, but maybe someone would like to hold back their modifier so I can still clear my name?

I could potentially do this. I am checking with voltaire on something first...

Because it could also potentially show you that I am unlikely to be scum, as my modifier is one that I think scum is unlikely to have--and was actually something that I was unlikely to claim regardless

voltaire got back to me.... soyeah, i can do this if efhw approves of it

You realize that if we do this like the plan is here (everyone but yuma full-claims), then you are going to be NK target tonight almost certainly? If we want jotheonah to confirm the modifier of one of us, I think at least two people should refrain from claiming their modifiers.

This would not help much if jotheonah is scum. He could still nk one of them and say thats who he targeted.

Correct. But this is something we cannot prevent. My concern is that jotheonah is town, and by this plan, scum knows his target. So they have all kinds of ways to manipulate, from simply killing the target to redirecting and so on. So we will probably not be able to confirm jotheonah's role.