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[Archetype]

...and I'm gone. Hopefully someone hammers before deadline.

[yuma]

So I guess I am here by myself until Robz isn't busy anymore? If only I drank... this would be a great opportunity for kickball... note to future mods... forum midnight deadlines apparently don't work for anyone...

[Twistedarcher]

Here. Yuma summarize for me, I can't catch up. Why didn't eevee wagon go?

[yuma]

Here. Yuma summarize for me, I can't catch up. Why didn't eevee wagon go?

Hmmmm, eevee didn't go through because people I guess kinda thought it was too easy? Mostly for me it stalled at four votes and never grew.

Right now we are basically at Ahoppy versus Teproc. I am basically ok with both. I think i prefer teproc over Ahoppy. Ahoppy is basically just a run of the mill lurker lynch and some people don't like how he defended eevee (I kinda agree), but am one who thinks that if we are going to lynch him for that maybe we should just lynch eevee? But little too late for that.

Teproc case is put forward Here

There was some movement toward a Robz lynch, but that kinda died of for various reasons that ultimately I think were best...

So basically we are at ahoppy or teproc with 45 minutes to go. Teproc at L-1.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm at work. Can't really follow, but can vote, and will before deadline to get a lynch through.

[Twistedarcher]

Well if no one is around I don't have a choice on teproc, do I?

Eevee too easy? If he was too easy he'd be close to lynch. I thought everyone was cool with teproc and ahoppy, they seem like the easy lynches. Not eevee. I still would love to lynch eevee but I guess I will hammer teproc since I don't have a choice?

[Twistedarcher]

Also terribly sorry for not being around. I had real life stuff I needed to do.

[yuma]

Well if no one is around I don't have a choice on teproc, do I?

Eevee too easy? If he was too easy he'd be close to lynch. I thought everyone was cool with teproc and ahoppy, they seem like the easy lynches. Not eevee. I still would love to lynch eevee but I guess I will hammer teproc since I don't have a choice?

Maybe easy isn't the right word choice... although I dont' feel like any of these lynches have been too easy... as we are kinda struggling here down the stretch.... Let me pull up an example maybe:

from teproc none the less:

The reason I don't like the Eevee wagon isn't because it's on a lurker. It's because Eevee lurking isn't indicative of him being scum, and the way in which he lurked this game looks town!Eevee to me.

a handful of people kinda said something along the lines of this...

[Twistedarcher]

Right...but those are so easy to give..and obviously most people giving that defense aren't scum but if eevee is scum that's the defense is expect people to have if his lynch wasn't imminent.

vote count please

[Jimmmmm]

I'm going to Vote: Ahoppy. Not a great contribution I know, but I think someone having to decide between lynches is better than someone hammering simply to get a lynch through. Will hammer before deadline if I have to.

[yuma]

Our mod isn't online, so this is where I think we are at TA:


Ahoppy (5) : Teproc, Robz, chairs, PPS, Jimmmmm (L-2)
Eevee (2) : Twistedarcher
Teproc (6) : faust, yuma, Eevee, Voltaire, scott, Archetype (L-1)
chairs (1) : Ahoppy

[Twistedarcher]

So between myself Yuma and jimmm we have the votes for either teproc or ahoppy? I think ahoppy wagon has more of my town reads on it...argh I will reread as much of today as I can

[AHoppy]

Ok, I was busy until just now, and so I need to read a few pages to catch up before deadline.

[yuma]

unvote

real quick since ahoppy is here and his best move regardless is to hammer teproc...

[Twistedarcher]

Ok I think I'd rather vote teproc than ahoppy. Based on the fact that I still think eevee is scum, there was one point where the wagons were ahoppy and eevee, and I don't think scum lets that happen (although they may all have been offline, meh)

[Twistedarcher]

Wait...but look at vote count 1.6. Eevee and ahoppy were the two biggest wagons, yet neither was on the other. Is it really possible they are both scum?

[yuma]

Ok I think I'd rather vote teproc than ahoppy. Based on the fact that I still think eevee is scum, there was one point where the wagons were ahoppy and eevee, and I don't think scum lets that happen (although they may all have been offline, meh)

Alright... now that you have said your peace, I am back to vote: teproc. ahoppy or TA can go ahead and vote... and perhaps both should to make sure my vote count isn't wrong and we don't accidentally no lynch....

[Twistedarcher]

I didn't like ahoppy's discrediting my case...yes it was incomplete but it still had some good points. And yes I didn't finish it but I was very upfront about that and just didn't get to make time for it. I am leaning that way now, but honestly I'm kickballing and don't know.

[yuma]

Wait...but look at vote count 1.6. Eevee and ahoppy were the two biggest wagons, yet neither was on the other. Is it really possible they are both scum?

It is possible, but I woulnd't say probable.

They are both lurkers and as such haven't really moved their vote around a whole bunch....

[Twistedarcher]

Unvote Yuma? I am leaning ahoppy now. At least lets talk it out for 10 more.

[yuma]

unvote

[Twistedarcher]

Thanks. I am fully reading your Teproc case now.

[AHoppy]

I'm here, I need to go over the teproc case again, but I think it does look promising.  The starting a wagon and jumping off part really sticks out to me.  Intent to vote teproc.  What's the vote count?

[Twistedarcher]

Okay, I see what you are saying. Meh, I honestly can't decide. I know I am being super-flaky, but I don't have enough time to formulate who I want to see lynched...

Both have given me bad vibes from the beginning, so really, I'm not unhappy with either one. They were both scum reads. Ahoppy's reads post gave me bad vibes almost immediately, and I believe it was Voltaire who pointed this out and had the same gut reaction I had. I didn't particularly like either of their reactions to my case on Eevee, and wasn't swayed by either of the reasons. I remember Teproc doing a defense of "Eevee just seems like he was in this one game when he was town", which I find to always be one of the flimsiest reasons -- there were multiple extremely vague statements that I wanted him to explain further. So yeah, Teproc seems ok, although Ahoppy seems ok too.

[yuma]

I'm here, I need to go over the teproc case again, but I think it does look promising.  The starting a wagon and jumping off part really sticks out to me.  Intent to vote teproc.  What's the vote count?

Both of you are currently at L-2.