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[Ampharos]

No, won't that be a mis-lynch if you believe WW to be telling the truth and there's no redirection?

[Teproc]

No, won't that be a mis-lynch if you believe WW to be telling the truth and there's no redirection?

As has been said a few times now, WW's result doesn't clear Hydrad. It makes him less likely to be scum, doesn't clear him though, not even close.

[yuma]

No, won't that be a mis-lynch if you believe WW to be telling the truth and there's no redirection?

possibly but not necessarily.

and if you think WW is scum then you are thinking that WW implicated his partner in a fakeclaim. Again possible, but I don't think probable.

[Ampharos]

No, won't that be a mis-lynch if you believe WW to be telling the truth and there's no redirection?

As has been said a few times now, WW's result doesn't clear Hydrad. It makes him less likely to be scum, doesn't clear him though, not even close.

Right, so since he's less likely to be scum if you assume WW to be correct, then I don't see why to lynch him.  Though I suppose ig and faust never really like WW's claim.

[Teproc]

No, won't that be a mis-lynch if you believe WW to be telling the truth and there's no redirection?

As has been said a few times now, WW's result doesn't clear Hydrad. It makes him less likely to be scum, doesn't clear him though, not even close.

Right, so since he's less likely to be scum if you assume WW to be correct, then I don't see why to lynch him.  Though I suppose ig and faust never really like WW's claim.

"Less likely" than normal. Then you account his play, and he's more likely than normal. So, as someone who believes WW's claim, I'd be fine lynching Hydrad. Prefer e though.

[faust]

To be clear, if I thought WW's claim was correct, I would not go for Hydrad, because that assumes two things: A) Hydrad did not perform the kill. B) Hydrad does not have redirecting abilities or any other targetting PR.

[Ampharos]

To be clear, if I thought WW's claim was correct, I would not go for Hydrad, because that assumes two things: A) Hydrad did not perform the kill. B) Hydrad does not have redirecting abilities or any other targetting PR.

Yep. This.

[Teproc]

To be clear, if I thought WW's claim was correct, I would not go for Hydrad, because that assumes two things: A) Hydrad did not perform the kill. B) Hydrad does not have redirecting abilities or any other targetting PR.

Why are you undermining your preferred wagon ?

[Teproc]

To be clear, if I thought WW's claim was correct, I would not go for Hydrad, because that assumes two things: A) Hydrad did not perform the kill. B) Hydrad does not have redirecting abilities or any other targetting PR.

Why are you undermining your preferred wagon ?

Well, I suppose you prefer WW, but what I mean is : you are voting Hydrad and making arguments against his lynch. I understand they're not arguments that affect you because you don't believe WW's claim, but I don't see what the point of it nonetheless.

[yuma]

Ok. So I understand. You are voting for Hydrad because you don't believe WW and thus think that he is scummy because 1. of his play (fair enough) and 2. think that WW involved him, as his partner, in this fake claim?

I guess from a logistics point of view if Hydrad were to flip scum, especially a scum with a role of some sort, I would be much, much, much more suspicious of WW because that would indicate that hydrad likely took an action last night as scum and thus WW must be lying about his role.

But for that to happen scum!WW would have to consciously choose to implicate his partner in the fake claim that he created instead of choosing a different player to involve in the fake claim (options have already been discussed) or just not fake claim at all (VT, refuse to claim, etc).

But for me. I believe WW's claim thus far. And thus I see as hydrad as less likely to be mafia than he is likely. He still could be. But he would have to be a mafia goon or a ninja and/or didn't submit the NK.

[Ampharos]

Basically, based on what we've been saying:  go after the WW/faust situation if you want to go after Hydrad.  It just doesn't make sense to go after him otherwise.  You can't ignore the WW/faust situation like it didn't happen.  Either work that out, or go find another wagon.  It just doesn't make any sense. 

[yuma]

6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive.  With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  Ties are broken by coin flip.  With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

PS: Teproc brought this up earlier but I don't know if everyone went and looked at it. But as we get closer to deadline without a consensus it is worth pointing out that we are currently above 10 players and thus we will have a lynch today with the person with the most votes getting lynched. So we don't need to reach a consensus, but for information purposes I think it would be beneficial to do so.

[2.71828.....]

Oh no....the too townie to be town argument....

Should I be excited that this argument is being used against me?

[Roadrunner7671]

Thank you, Yuma. Personally, I'm betting on Hydrad getting lynched today. Not because he's scum, but because he won't defend himself very well.

PPE

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh no....the too townie to be town argument....

Should I be excited that this argument is being used against me?

Is that what you're saying I am? Too townie to be town?

[Haddock]

Oh no....the too townie to be town argument....

Should I be excited that this argument is being used against me?

For what it's worth, I think you're scummy because you're scummy, not because you're "too towny to be town".  I don't see what everyone else is seeing.

[Teproc]

Oh no....the too townie to be town argument....

Should I be excited that this argument is being used against me?

For what it's worth, I think you're scummy because you're scummy, not because you're "too towny to be town".  I don't see what everyone else is seeing.

I know I post a lot, but not to the point of being "everyone else".

And I haven't seen "too townie to be town" be used elsewhere, not even against me, so I'm not sure what e's saying here.

[Witherweaver]

Oh no....the too townie to be town argument....

Should I be excited that this argument is being used against me?

For what it's worth, I think you're scummy because you're scummy, not because you're "too towny to be town".  I don't see what everyone else is seeing.

I know I post a lot, but not to the point of being "everyone else".

And I haven't seen "too townie to be town" be used elsewhere, not even against me, so I'm not sure what e's saying here.

He should get a badge.

[Witherweaver]

Or a lynch.

[Teproc]

Or a lynch.

If you're talking about e, put your money where your mouth is.

If you're talking about me, no.

[Roadrunner7671]

Or a lynch.

A badge is fine.

[Teproc]

Do you really think I'm scum WW ?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.12:

egork (2): Hydrad, RR
haddock (2): EgorK, 2.7
Teproc (3): WW, yuma, Ampharos
2.7 (2): Haddock, Teproc
Hydrad (2): iguanaiguana, faust

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day Two ends at 3:00 a.m. on Friday, December 18.

[Witherweaver]

Do you really think I'm scum WW ?

I'm not sure, really. 

[Hydrad]

and I'm back. I know you all missed me.