2 White Skum in [Joth, EFHW, Shraeye, Galz, and MiX]
Joth:
- Up to #62: Opens day 1 with a lot of set up talk and discussion of the Doctor claim. I personally do not assign skum points for that type of behavior, especially in a game full of vets where no one is gonna like "miss something" in the set up anyways.
#67 -Votes for MCMC
#188/189 - Joth stating not active. MiX comments on "oh you're not trying so you must be town".
#274 - hedges on Robz (leading wagon at the time). I think they town, which means they are prob skum. Always skummy thing to say. gives you an opening without a reason.
#294/315 - gets on Robz for reasons behind why not town reading MCMC.
#328-339 - leaves MCMC... to follow MCMC onto Scola. Gets into a pretty believable back and forth with MiX regarding why and dynamics of wagons and etc. Does throw in there that they are ok with BOTH the leading wagons just doesn't find one more skummy than the other.
My primary take away though is following the person you have been voting ALL day onto 1 of 2 wagon choices, that you think are equally likely to be skum... how do you choose the wagon choice with your actual skum read on it? That is weird. Could be skum MCMC partner.. though not likely... more likely white skum move not paying attention. Very unlikely town forgot there only skum read of the whole damn game and followed them on an even choice. ... ok gonna try to speed things up...
- Next he has a few posts in which he hits the fence on whether or not WCD is skummy or not. Followed by talking, yet not talking, about set up shit.
- Then there is the reads list that missed MCMC. That is supppperrr weird. Could be a slip IDK. Further than that -
he is TRing 3 town and MiX,
skum reading ADK and Pasta,
Fenced about Yuma and WCD and E!,
and then "forgot Galz and Shraeye were in the game".
For a list that requires you to be neutral or TRing as skum to your partner, that is a lot of non flipped people in a lot of spots Joth DOES NOT need to vote for. Additionally, I have somehow gone from a top town read to their only vote of the day. Not sure what to make of that.
#418 - makes a posts about the defense of reads lists. We don't have enough time to get into this, and I did not want to bring it up at the time, I was hoping for it to get pushed again - I 100% disagree with the general assumption that lists are better in this set up. Yes, skum can use them and town lists are genuine great. But at some point, kill selection becomes an issue, and skum will be able to hone in on other skum (like kinda like now probably), but also on players that are potentially the doc or players that hit a mid range of unlynchable/could be skum. List goes on. Short is - I don't agree. So I think it is skummy.
THIS POST IS IMMIDEATELY AFTER THE DEFENSE OF USING LISTS TO HELP SKUM SHOOT SKUM! why why why would this be a post? why would he believe that he would be a likely kill target for being a TR??? Makes no sense. Skummy af fluff post.
Everyone please stop townreading me so hard I really don’t want to be the N1 kill.
- Day 2 starts off on MCMC again. And then AGAIN.... follows MCMC to WCD. Again, even more now.... I think that is something that skum that is not partnered with MCMC does without thinking about it too much.
#585 - is the incredibly leading thing he brings up in response to Shraeye's response to MY analysis read. The conclusion they make of which is somehow that WCD and Swowl are partners that had a night discussion about using specific verbiage between the words "re read" vs "VCA... I think? Either way it is the weakest case ever and saying out loud is boarderline more skummy than bringing it up - I have brought that up before.... suprise... guess who disagreed with me? Hint: it wasMCMC.
#589 is a lazy response about how skum hones in kills. One of the reasons is "people that auto die night 1 anyways... like faust". That has not been a thing for a long as time.
#633 - Votes for Swowl, then says no instead goes to WCD to put them at L2. Cool fun thing is the next post from Shraeye:
Ok, well, I still prefer Swowl but vote: WCD for the sake of consolidating. That's L-2.
No, let's go back to Swowl. I strongly prefer there over Didds
vote: Swowl
--- "Let's" go back to swowl??? Shraeye was never on swowl. That could legit be a slip.
OK running out of time and I need to try to do something so summary of everything else in like 2 sentences:
Joth says and does a ton of things that come off as potentially leaving the door open, and/or could be very masking. Like a lot. And all that is skummy. But there overall gameplay and effort just seems to be towny.
I do not know what to make of the fact that they just like do not quote in this game for some reason? I don't think that means anything.
So imo, yes... Joth could be White Skum with either Shraeye, EFHW/Yuma, or Galz. But not MiX. I think.
From that list [Joth, Shraeye, Yuma/EFHW, Galz] - I think that both Joth and Galz fall into a "We should worry about it tomorrow" category. So the last on my lists outside of mix would be EFHW or Shraeye.