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[LaLight]

Welcome to M128: Dragonborn Mafia

This game is for 13 players, and is classified as normal. It uses open setup called Fire and Ice.

Comod and flavor writer: Dylan32

Players:

1. 2.71828.....
2. A Drowned Kernel
3. Galzria
4. Swowl
5. jotheonah
6. shraeye
7. WestCoastDidds
8. Robz888
9. MiX
10. scolapasta
11. mcmcsalot
12. yuma
13. mail-mi

Tags:


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, purple 'AA00AA' text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last 48 hours.

[LaLight]

Setup

Fire and Ice is an open setup game with 13 players.

Mafia players are known as two dragonborn tribes; a tribe of red dragonborns (fire dragons) and white dragonborns (ice dragons).

There will be

2 Red Dragonborn Goons
2 White Dragonborn Goons
8 Vanilla Villagers
1 Soothsayer (Doctor)

Mechanics:
- The nightkill of the Fire Mafia and the Ice Mafia will fail if both groups of mafia target the same person.
- The Mafia groups are not night kill immune.
- Fire Mafia kills and Ice Mafia kills have different kill flavor.

VT pm:

Welcome to M128, name. You are a Vanilla Townie. The only special powers you have to protect your village are your words and your vote. You have a QT to communicate with the mods if needed, here.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated and at least one town player is alive.

[LaLight]

Reserved

[2.71828.....]

/in. First setup I played here in f.ds!

[LaLight]

/in. First setup I played here in f.ds!

Funny, I thought it haven't been here at all! Well, this is even more amazing

[2.71828.....]

/in. First setup I played here in f.ds!

Funny, I thought it haven't been here at all! Well, this is even more amazing

Mafia XXXIII: Toy story mafia

[A Drowned Kernel]

/in

[Galzria]

Oh, def /in

[Swowl]

/In sauce

[mail-mi]

/in

[LaLight]

Dylan and I decided to change the name to Dragonborn Mafia, as D&D is a cool name for RMM. Also, VT pm is in opening post now.

[faust]

It's all multiball these days

[LaLight]

It's all multiball these days

believe it or not, but like 30 minutes ago I thought "why have faust still not joined? ah, Multiball. Oh, and the other game is multiball. Damn"

[MiX]

The setups are actually incredibly similar, all that changes is the single town PR and in this one you know who did what kill. Oh and you can cancel kills I guess.

I will in eventually but there's like 3 ongoing games and lynchpool, seems like we're booked.

[LaLight]

I still think it will be fun. I myself like Multiball a lot, and we have not nearly enough of those on this site, in my opinion

[faust]

I still think it will be fun. I myself like Multiball a lot, and we have not nearly enough of those on this site, in my opinion

Well, a lot of RMMs are some flavor of multiball, to be fair. But we do it more rarely as open or semi-open setups, that much is true.

[shraeye]

/in

[WestCoastDidds]

/in

Shraeye!

[WestCoastDidds]

/in

[mail-mi]

/out for now, hoping to in again soon.

[jotheonah]

always /in for some multiball.

[Dylan32]

Just commenting so it'll show up in my new posts instead of all.

[yuma]

/tag

[Robz888]

/in

[LaLight]

/in

heyyy

[Robz888]

/in

heyyy

 

[MiX]

Official /in now that 2 games ended (and I remembered this existed).

[WestCoastDidds]

I am currently in NO GAMES with Swowl and MiX and this hurts my head. Unthinkable! I am bereft!  Let's make this happen, people!

[jotheonah]

I am currently in NO GAMES with Swowl and MiX and this hurts my head. Unthinkable! I am bereft!  Let's make this happen, people!

I'm in no games AT ALL.

[scolapasta]

Can I manage 3 games?? Well, willing to try.

/in

[Dylan32]

L-3

[WestCoastDidds]

I am currently in NO GAMES with Swowl and MiX and this hurts my head. Unthinkable! I am bereft!  Let's make this happen, people!

I'm in no games AT ALL.

We are bereft!! Save us, friends!!

[mcmcsalot]

/in

[Galzria]

Whoo boy. Excited about this game.

[yuma]

/in

Life gets less crazy in 5 days

[Galzria]

L-1. Just need a Hammer.

[Robz888]

YESSSSS

[mail-mi]

Oh what ever.

/In

[WestCoastDidds]

Hooray!!!!

[LaLight]

Thread locked other than for tags. As today is my first work day after quarantine, expect pms in 8-9 hours.

[LaLight]

pms are going out now. Please, /confirm in you personal or factional QT that you read and understood your role. Day 1 will start in 24 hours, or later if there will not be all the confirmation at that time.

[LaLight]

"My lord, our soothsayer has had a most troubling vision. By their word, there are members of not one, but two Dragonborn tribes attempting to infiltrate and destroy our village so that they may claim our land for their respective tribes."

"Go, investigate and verify the soothsayer's words. If you find the scum who would do this, eliminate them, permanently. And if the soothsayer is able to discern who the Dragonborn's victims are to be, take heed and protect the targets at once. May you find this Dragonborn scum quickly, or may they wipe each other out in their recklessness."

"Consider it done, my lord."

Day 1 starts now!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (13): 2,71828....., A Drowned Kernel, Galzria, Swowl, jotheonah, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, Robz888, MiX, scolapasta, mcmcsalot, yuma, mail-mi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

Thread unlocked!

[LaLight]

Note, that we strongly suggest using the word "Exile" in this game where you used "Lynch" earlier.

[mail-mi]

Lords and Ladies, welcome to another game of Mafia.

vote: No Exile let's see what happens

[mcmcsalot]

Vote: mail-mi

In multi ball we have an extremely limited effect on the game with exiles, there couldn’t be a worse time to no exile.

It’s good to be back!

[MiX]

My second favourite brother pair is back!

Vote: mcmc, I miss you slightly more.

Hey yuma, ready to redeem yourself? You haven't lynched scum willingly yet since your revival

[mail-mi]

Vote: mail-mi

In multi ball we have an extremely limited effect on the game with exiles, there couldn’t be a worse time to no exile.

It’s good to be back!

I'm just seeing if it'll appear as "no  exile" in the vote counts.

[jotheonah]

hiiieee

Psyched to be in another game.

MiX, which scum team are you on?

[MiX]

hiiieee

Psyched to be in another game.

MiX, which scum team are you on?

The town team, destined to exile everyone!

Also (ongoing game).

[mail-mi]

So doctor should claim, yes? Creates an IC and some WIFOM cause if both scumteams kill them they don't actually die.

[MiX]

So doctor should claim, yes? Creates an IC and some WIFOM cause if both scumteams kill them they don't actually die.

No, because we don't need an IC. We should definitely wait for claims at L-1, however.

I will also abstain from further setup talk.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: joth

[A Drowned Kernel]

So doctor should claim, yes? Creates an IC and some WIFOM cause if both scumteams kill them they don't actually die.

I don't think this is a good idea. They can always claim at a later date, and we don't really gain anything from knowing who they are ahead of time

[mcmcsalot]

So doctor should claim, yes? Creates an IC and some WIFOM cause if both scumteams kill them they don't actually die.

I don't think this is a good idea. They can always claim at a later date, and we don't really gain anything from knowing who they are ahead of time

Ooh but if we find scum they 100% claim doctor and then we have to wait for a counter claim and then the doctor is outed anyway. So there is that to take into consideration. The doctor should be pretty safe claiming since the two scum teams absolutely want least to double up their nk.

Also we should be very very careful weighing in on if we believe the doctor should or should not claim, the last thing we want is to sort of Poe who could and could not be the doctor based on their thoughts on if the doctor should or should not claim.

I think part of it certainly depends on who the doctor is, if they are more or less likely to be nk’d and if they are more or less likely to be around to counter claim and some other things that depend on the player. Setup wise there are definitely reasons for and against.

[mcmcsalot]

Either way unvote

[A Drowned Kernel]

Either way unvote

What changed your mind?

[mcmcsalot]

Either way unvote

What changed your mind?

I think mail-mi’s post about the doctor claim was at best towny and at lest pro-town. He gave also gave an explanation for why he voted no exile which was not that he actually wanted to not exile.

[mcmcsalot]

Why the joth vote ADK?

[jotheonah]

I'm usually anti-claim for D1, but I can see the logic in this case. The setup almost seems made for it.

The risk is that the scum teams find some way to signal to each other about which one of them is going to take the shot. But even that's not a terrible scenario because then we can find scum by going back and finding the signal.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Either way unvote

What changed your mind?

I think mail-mi’s post about the doctor claim was at best towny and at lest pro-town. He gave also gave an explanation for why he voted no exile which was not that he actually wanted to not exile.

I can see it being towny, though I don't think it's pro-town. Why is an insincere vote towny?

Why the joth vote ADK?

It's always joth

I'm usually anti-claim for D1, but I can see the logic in this case. The setup almost seems made for it.

The risk is that the scum teams find some way to signal to each other about which one of them is going to take the shot. But even that's not a terrible scenario because then we can find scum by going back and finding the signal.

We don't lose anything by waiting for the doctor to claim when they feel it's necessary, and don't gain anything by it happening early

[jotheonah]

One interesting thing about this setup is our odds of hitting scum off a random exile are better than normal. If the doctor claims and isn't counterclaimed then we have an IC, who could be trusted to make a random selection, which would then have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum.

1/3 isn't great odds, but it's better than normal and it would completely remove scum's ability to manipulate the town's kill.

But misexiles are also pretty punishing in this setup. If we hit town nights 1 and 2, and fail to prevent the nightkills, we lose at the start of Day 3. Well I guess we don't lose, but we're outnumbered by scum.

[jotheonah]

I'm not really suggesting a random exile. I'm just spitballing and thoerycrafting while I wait for people to show up and make a scumslip.

[mcmcsalot]

 @adk because I’m too old for fancy quoting on mobile.

There is nothing about mail-mi’s vote that is insincere. He said let’s see what happens and explained he wanted to see if no exile was included in vote counts and how. I didn’t realize that’s what he we doing initially but upon clarification it makes sense and isn’t scummy.

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It’s always joth is however a terrible reason for a vote especially if you find mail-mi’s vote insincere.

In fact vote: ADK

[Robz888]

Hello, all! Well my suggestion to use "fire" for our new word really, really does not work given the flavor in this setup, eh? Oh well.

I'm mildly in favor of the Doctor claiming, though I would like to see more discussion of it. And if I were the Doctor, I would not be claiming right now, until there was more discussion of it. If we manage to E-1 (?) scum, we are probably going to end up with dueling Doctor claims anyway, as has been noted. In the last few games I played it seems like we were doing, er, exiles, at the very last minute, not leaving a lot of time to adjudicate claims, which would be especially bad here. Just having the Doctor claim eliminates this possibility, and we get an IC. And scum have to be a little afraid about taking the shot, since it could duplicate. I realize I'm not saying anything novel but I had these thoughts as well and thus I am going to voice them! Trying to be helpful town!Robz, turning over a new leaf, watch me go.

[A Drowned Kernel]

@adk because I’m too old for fancy quoting on mobile.

There is nothing about mail-mi’s vote that is insincere. He said let’s see what happens and explained he wanted to see if no exile was included in vote counts and how. I didn’t realize that’s what he we doing initially but upon clarification it makes sense and isn’t scummy.

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It’s always joth is however a terrible reason for a vote especially if you find mail-mi’s vote insincere.

In fact vote: ADK

Are you saying that mail-mi's suggestion is pro-town, or that starting the discussion at all is pro-town? (I would dispute both

I don't have a strong opinion about mail-mi's vote, what I'm concerned with is the sincerity of your vote and unvote, which to me looks like faked activity

[Robz888]

Either way I think we should be looking to get an exile early, or at least earlier than we were getting them in the games we were playing before my last absence.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

[jotheonah]

vote: mcmcsalot

[Robz888]

@adk because I’m too old for fancy quoting on mobile.

There is nothing about mail-mi’s vote that is insincere. He said let’s see what happens and explained he wanted to see if no exile was included in vote counts and how. I didn’t realize that’s what he we doing initially but upon clarification it makes sense and isn’t scummy.

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It’s always joth is however a terrible reason for a vote especially if you find mail-mi’s vote insincere.

In fact vote: ADK

Are you saying that mail-mi's suggestion is pro-town, or that starting the discussion at all is pro-town? (I would dispute both

I don't have a strong opinion about mail-mi's vote, what I'm concerned with is the sincerity of your vote and unvote, which to me looks like faked activity

I do think the "in fact" before the vote has the ring of false outrage.

[Robz888]

Other than that I guess I agree with mcmc, though.

[scolapasta]

Hi all.

vote: Robz888

I don't see nearly enough positive of Doctor revealing so early.

[MiX]

Hi all.

vote: Robz888

I don't see nearly enough positive of Doctor revealing so early.

Vote: scolapasta, participating in RVS without saying anything about it.

[scolapasta]

Hi all.

vote: Robz888

I don't see nearly enough positive of Doctor revealing so early.

Vote: scolapasta, participating in RVS without saying anything about it.

Whew, everything is right in this world again, now that MiX has voted for me D1. Whew.

My vote wasn't strictly RVS.

[MiX]

Saying "whew" twice is a scumslip, haven't you heard?

What's the reasoning then?

[mcmcsalot]

@adk because I’m too old for fancy quoting on mobile.

There is nothing about mail-mi’s vote that is insincere. He said let’s see what happens and explained he wanted to see if no exile was included in vote counts and how. I didn’t realize that’s what he we doing initially but upon clarification it makes sense and isn’t scummy.

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It’s always joth is however a terrible reason for a vote especially if you find mail-mi’s vote insincere.

In fact vote: ADK

Are you saying that mail-mi's suggestion is pro-town, or that starting the discussion at all is pro-town? (I would dispute both

I am saying that at I think mail-mi’s suggestion is potentially pro-town and the suggestion which creates discussion is definitely pro-town.

I don't have a strong opinion about mail-mi's vote, what I'm concerned with is the sincerity of your vote and unvote, which to me looks like faked activity

You literally called mail-mi’s vote insincere...which I don’t think it was and I think you are painting mail-no in a scummy light by calling the vote insincere.

Either way unvote

What changed your mind?

I think mail-mi’s post about the doctor claim was at best towny and at lest pro-town. He gave also gave an explanation for why he voted no exile which was not that he actually wanted to not exile.

I can see it being towny, though I don't think it's pro-town. Why is an insincere vote towny?

This has to be in reference to mail-mi’s vote. Because this is after he explained he was seeing what voting no exile did and not seeing if voting no exile would get any traction.

Now you claim to not have a about mail-mi’s vote but it’s my vote and unvote that seems like faked activity. It sure makes my activity seem more fake when you blow off the fact that mail-mi votes something I thought was very bad then followed up with an explaination that made perfect sense.

You are just painting everyone you can as scummy for terrible reasons aren’t you.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: robz

Was scum last time we played this setup.

[MiX]

mcmc wants to be town, so he's null. Not bad of a read for mcmc.

Vote: robz

Was scum last time we played this setup.

Wasn't that your first game? Did he win?

[2.71828.....]

Also, doctor can do what doctor wants to do.

Claim, no claim, it's all WIFOM.

[2.71828.....]

mcmc wants to be town, so he's null. Not bad of a read for mcmc.

Vote: robz

Was scum last time we played this setup.

Wasn't that your first game? Did he win?

He did not win, the other scums won. And it was my first game, I read robz as scum D1 but then was talked out of it. I mean, I was a noob trying to exile robz. It was never going to end well

[mcmcsalot]

Either way I think we should be looking to get an exile early, or at least earlier than we were getting them in the games we were playing before my last absence.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

I agree 100% we have enough old guard people around let’s try a soft deadline. Remember those.

July 2nd at 11pm is 12 hours before deadline. Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

[2.71828.....]

Either way I think we should be looking to get an exile early, or at least earlier than we were getting them in the games we were playing before my last absence.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

I agree 100% we have enough old guard people around let’s try a soft deadline. Remember those.

July 2nd at 11pm is 12 hours before deadline. Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

I expect post counts as well then

[MiX]

Soft deadline, wow. Does that mean people were trying to be pro-town before?

PPE: Yessss mcmc-certified post counts!

[mcmcsalot]

Hi all.

vote: Robz888

I don't see nearly enough positive of Doctor revealing so early.

Vote: scolapasta, participating in RVS without saying anything about it.

Whew, everything is right in this world again, now that MiX has voted for me D1. Whew.

My vote wasn't strictly RVS.

No truly it was “robz voting stage” as is the true meaning of rvs

[A Drowned Kernel]

@mcmc

mail-mi's posts, both the vote and the explanation, have been null for me, so I found your vote and unvote surprising, and a little unconvincing

[A Drowned Kernel]

And if mail-mi's vote is for a reason other than trying to get to get the thing he's voting for through them that means it's insincere

And an insincere vote can certainly come from town but I wanted to know what about mail-mi's explanation convinced you that he's town

[A Drowned Kernel]

And also

vote: mcmc

[mcmcsalot]

And if mail-mi's vote is for a reason other than trying to get to get the thing he's voting for through them that means it's insincere

And an insincere vote can certainly come from town but I wanted to know what about mail-mi's explanation convinced you that he's town

This is a logical fallacy. Mail-mi made a vote that he did not explain his reasoning for initially. People do that all the time. I interpreted the reasoning incorrectly and found it scummy. He clarified and I unvoted.

Perhaps we have differing opinions on what the word insincere means.

Lastly gotta love you calling me out for making “fake content” and then watch you spam post three separate messages in a row that were clearly one thought immediatly after seeing there would be post counts this game.

People should join me on this ADK wagon

[MiX]

Do people think about the post counts harming them as scum? Is that a thing?

I can join you on ADK as soon as scola stops being scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

And if mail-mi's vote is for a reason other than trying to get to get the thing he's voting for through them that means it's insincere

And an insincere vote can certainly come from town but I wanted to know what about mail-mi's explanation convinced you that he's town

This is a logical fallacy. Mail-mi made a vote that he did not explain his reasoning for initially. People do that all the time. I interpreted the reasoning incorrectly and found it scummy. He clarified and I unvoted.

Perhaps we have differing opinions on what the word insincere means.

Lastly gotta love you calling me out for making “fake content” and then watch you spam post three separate messages in a row that were clearly one thought immediatly after seeing there would be post counts this game.

People should join me on this ADK wagon

Think of them as postscripts, I kept thinking of more things I wanted to say

If "making a vote on a wagon you don't actually want to happen" isn't insincere I don't know what is

[Robz888]

Either way I think we should be looking to get an exile early, or at least earlier than we were getting them in the games we were playing before my last absence.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

I agree 100% we have enough old guard people around let’s try a soft deadline. Remember those.

July 2nd at 11pm is 12 hours before deadline. Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

That's cutting it way too close! I miss the era of a bajillion posts flying in all the time as much as anyone, but sadly we are not there anymore.

I think we should try to exile by like Monday.

[Robz888]

(And anyone who works against this is scum!)

[A Drowned Kernel]

Either way I think we should be looking to get an exile early, or at least earlier than we were getting them in the games we were playing before my last absence.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

I agree 100% we have enough old guard people around let’s try a soft deadline. Remember those.

July 2nd at 11pm is 12 hours before deadline. Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

That's cutting it way too close! I miss the era of a bajillion posts flying in all the time as much as anyone, but sadly we are not there anymore.

I think we should try to exile by like Monday.

Join me on your brother, let's see how quickly we can make this happen

[2.71828.....]

(And anyone who works against this is scum!)

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: [realizing that Anakin is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Yup, and everyone opposed to the plan is scum. Out yourselves, scum.

vote: robz

[MiX]

I am now against outing the Doctor, as I learned it's an ash!plan.

[Robz888]

Omg that is beautiful. Wow. 7 years ago I staked out the exact same position, and applied the same militancy! This is a good argument for thinking I am mafia, actually.

[Robz888]

Seriously, Vote: Robz

[A Drowned Kernel]

I am now against outing the Doctor, as I learned it's an ash!plan.

I mean if anyone makes a plan that's genuinely good for town, as scum, it's ash

(It's not a good plan though)

[A Drowned Kernel]

Seriously, Vote: Robz

Man, don't be like that

[mcmcsalot]

Seriously, Vote: Robz

I really don’t want to exile you day one but come on man you know this isn’t good.

Vote: robz

[Robz888]

Oh everyone calm down I’m not being seriously.

Which mcmc should know, really.

Vote: mcmcsalot for false concern

[yuma]

Didn't mail-mi mod a version of this game a long, long time ago. I think town lost. Maybe? Who knows. So maybe his insight is from that.

Regardless any discussion about planning out a claim is ultimately fruitless as the only person that gets to decide is the doctor. Maybe people can give advice, but being in favor or against a plan is weird. We, as a whole, don't get to decide what the doctor does. Only the doctor gets to. Your opinion only matters as far as the doctor. And they probably already know what they are going to do.

But.... it does get the game moving. And reactions are something? I guess.

[MiX]

Hi town!yuma! Who's scum so I can townread them?

[yuma]

My second favourite brother pair is back!

Vote: mcmc, I miss you slightly more.

Hey yuma, ready to redeem yourself? You haven't lynched scum willingly yet since your revival

False! I willingly lynched Joseph! I just happened to know he was scum at the time, so I guess that doesn't count.

But I am ready to redeem myself!

[yuma]

Hi town!yuma! Who's scum so I can townread them?

At this point everyone is scum. We should exile them...

man.... remembering that is going to be hard. But I think I can do it.

[MiX]

My second favourite brother pair is back!

Vote: mcmc, I miss you slightly more.

Hey yuma, ready to redeem yourself? You haven't lynched scum willingly yet since your revival

False! I willingly lynched Joseph! I just happened to know he was scum at the time, so I guess that doesn't count.

But I am ready to redeem myself!

Ah, I didn't know that. That'll help me read you.

Hi town!yuma! Who's scum so I can townread them?

At this point everyone is scum. We should exile them...

man.... remembering that is going to be hard. But I think I can do it.

I know right? I think it's possible to never screw it up.

[yuma]

Either way I think we should be looking to get an exile early, or at least earlier than we were getting them in the games we were playing before my last absence.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

I agree 100% we have enough old guard people around let’s try a soft deadline. Remember those.

July 2nd at 11pm is 12 hours before deadline. Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

Soft deadlines are hard. They went away for a reason. They just end up punishing people that have real life stuff and were generally more enforced by scum pretending their were being helpful town, but just steered into misexile.

At least that is my memory? I haven't really looked at the data of the games that used them (probably not enough to be very significant), but I felt like it more often led to misexiles and was how I used it as scum.

[Dylan32]

Vote Count 1.1

mcmcsalot (3): jothenonah, A Drowned Kernel, Robz888
Robz888 (3): scolapasta, 2.71828....., mcmcsalot
scolapasta (1): MiX
Not Voting (6): Galzria, Swowl, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, yuma, mail-mi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

[yuma]

(And anyone who works against this is scum!)

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: [realizing that Anakin is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Yup, and everyone opposed to the plan is scum. Out yourselves, scum.

vote: robz

I am against lynching 2.7 until at least Day 3.

Wipes tears away!

[yuma]

Also.... hello old friends.

[yuma]

vote: joth

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi hi hi hi!

I’m sorry I’m so late to the party! Especially since I have missed you all so much!

Mcmc.....hi, friend! Congratulations on the new arrival. I’m so happy for you! And I’m glad you’re back!!

Mix and Swowl, I specifically joined this game because being in NO games together is just wrong. Same with Joth. Bereft! I was bereft!

Yams, scola, ADK, galzy, Yuma....hi! I hope that you are all doing well! (Yams is a nickname for mail-mi. I use it often)

Shraeye! It’s been a minute. I hope the semester ended well. Is there time in the summer for math?

Robs, I hardly know you, buy as one of the OGs you just be made of awesome. So, hi!

[WestCoastDidds]

And as for the wisdom of the doc claiming or not claiming...y’all are funny thinking you can get the doc to do anything at all unless s/he wants to. One thing I have learned about this game is that we never agree on a plan and thus the plan never happens.

[MiX]

s/he/adk

Also Didds' right, although that's why I'm against the plan.

[WestCoastDidds]

s/he/ADK

Good catch! I’ll do better.

[Swowl]

Hey All!

Apologizing ahead of schedule for messing up exile/lynch.

Galz and me kinda spotty today and tomorrow, just a heads up.

Also without a doubt have to Vote: Robz

[shraeye]

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It's not pro-town, AND not necessarily something a town would do more than scum.  Or vice versa.  It's the way every game starts, with an overwrought, not helpful in any way discussion about setup.  No thanks.

Didn't mail-mi mod a version of this game a long, long time ago. I think town lost. Maybe? Who knows. So maybe his insight is from that.

Regardless any discussion about planning out a claim is ultimately fruitless as the only person that gets to decide is the doctor. Maybe people can give advice, but being in favor or against a plan is weird. We, as a whole, don't get to decide what the doctor does. Only the doctor gets to. Your opinion only matters as far as the doctor. And they probably already know what they are going to do.

But.... it does get the game moving. And reactions are something? I guess.

This is exactly it.  Except more cynicism over whether it's useful at all.

[shraeye]

what I'm concerned with is the sincerity of your vote and unvote, which to me looks like faked activity

pssshaaaw; "that looks like faked activity" is lame.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

First good point, great!

Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

For all intensive purposes as well!


Vote: Swowl

[yuma]

vote: swowl!!!

[Galzria]

Heads up y’all: As per the VLA thread Swowl and I are generally out until probably Monday. Might have a little time while at the cabin, but not much.

[Galzria]

Hey All!

Apologizing ahead of schedule for messing up exile/lynch.

Galz and me kinda spotty today and tomorrow, just a heads up.

Also without a doubt have to Vote: Robz

Lol hadn’t seen this post. This.

[Galzria]

MiX, why should I believe that you’re not scum this game?

[2.71828.....]

Seriously, Vote: Robz

Are we all trying to embrace our inner ashersky since he isn't playing?

[2.71828.....]

I call all hammers

#hammerstats

[2.71828.....]

MiX, why should I believe that you’re not scum this game?

Such accusations. MiX is clearly always scummy, yet never scum. Or clearly townie, and then scum. His alignment will be revealed to all in due time

Vote: Galzria

[MiX]

MiX, why should I believe that you’re not scum this game?

Can't you read me without asking this specific question? I'm running out of clever ways to answer it.

I'm not scum this game because I got a town QT. You'll believe it when you read me correctly.

[WestCoastDidds]

Good morning!

I’m super envious of the Swozria Tahoe trip. The lack of ability to go to fun places has been tough. We’re playing board games today with debatepro’s bestie, who is our only regular guest. I think it’s gonna be Scythe, but maybe Carnival of Monsters.

Right now, scola is at the top of my exile list. Feels like it might be a scummy start for him.

For my askersky ability, I’ll claim shameless appeal to emotion. Oh, wait....

[mcmcsalot]

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

[mcmcsalot]

I call all hammers

#hammerstats

This is scummy

[mcmcsalot]

Also.... hello old friends.

Hiiiiiiii Yuma is back woooooo! You scum?

[mcmcsalot]

what I'm concerned with is the sincerity of your vote and unvote, which to me looks like faked activity

pssshaaaw; "that looks like faked activity" is lame.

Voting is good and wagons are pro-town.


Vote: Swowl

First good point, great!

Let’s treat that as deadline for all intents and purposes.

For all intensive purposes as well!


Vote: Swowl

Isn’t the idiom correctly “for all intents and purposes” and for all intensive purposes is nonsense babble?

Also why the Swowl vote?

[WestCoastDidds]

Yep, it’s all intents and purposes. Shraeye was being funny-ish.

[mail-mi]

Super busy today. Will get on if I can.

[WestCoastDidds]

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

[shraeye]

I call all hammers

#hammerstats

This is scummy

No, that's e

[shraeye]

Yep, it’s all intents and purposes. Shraeye was being funny-ish.

I resent that ish.  I'm funny all the way

[Robz888]

Oh I just realized who swowl is!

[scolapasta]

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

[yuma]

Also.... hello old friends.

Hiiiiiiii Yuma is back woooooo! You scum?

It has been a minute... No. Not the scum this time.

[yuma]

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

[MiX]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh I just realized who swowl is!

Ha!  Oh, yeah...we forgot to tell you.  DatSwan is now Swowl. Way more owly, way less datty

[MiX]

Oh I just realized who swowl is!

Ha!  Oh, yeah...we forgot to tell you.  DatSwan is now Swowl. Way more owly, way less datty

Same amount of going backwards and then forwards.

[WestCoastDidds]

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

The weekend is a fair point, and why I am not actually voting on my feelings yet. I'm just used to getting to say hey and see whats up by now.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh I just realized who swowl is!

Ha!  Oh, yeah...we forgot to tell you.  DatSwan is now Swowl. Way more owly, way less datty

Same amount of going backwards and then forwards.

#Truth

[WestCoastDidds]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

She's not.  Yuma is overreacting, but yuma is the most low-key scum player I know so it means he's probably town.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yep, it’s all intents and purposes. Shraeye was being funny-ish.

I resent that ish.  I'm funny all the way

Uh huh

[A Drowned Kernel]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

Didds is scummy because it's early day one and she's actually scumhunting

vote: didds

[WestCoastDidds]

I was late! I was trying to catch up! I’m usually early so feel no compunction whatsoever about chatting everyone up.

Like, how are the animals? And how are you?

[shraeye]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

She's not.  Yuma is overreacting, but yuma is the most low-key scum player I know so it means he's probably town.

Overreacting to what??

[A Drowned Kernel]

I was late! I was trying to catch up! I’m usually early so feel no compunction whatsoever about chatting everyone up.

Like, how are the animals? And how are you?

Good and good

But I still think you're being unusually attentive to the particular if people's play for how early in the game it is so my vote stands

[yuma]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?
[/quotes]
She isn't. But I also dont think I am over reacting.

[yuma]

Blah

[Robz888]

Does no one els think mcmc's actions thus far are somewhat and surprisingly scummy?

[yuma]

Hmm. No?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Does no one els think mcmc's actions thus far are somewhat and surprisingly scummy?

I don't know if this is directed at me, but yes (though I'm not sure I'd say "surprisingly")

[Swowl]

Oh I just realized who swowl is!

Ha!  Oh, yeah...we forgot to tell you.  DatSwan is now Swowl. Way more owly, way less datty

Same amount of going backwards and then forwards.

Better than forwards then backwards?

[WestCoastDidds]

You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around! That’s what it’s all about!

[2.71828.....]

I feel like mcmc had the usual level of non-committal D1 posts they always have

[2.71828.....]

*has

Also, more people should vote for Galzria.

[2.71828.....]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

Didds is scummy because it's early day one and she's actually scumhunting

vote: didds

Also, I was just thinking that. More specifically how she called someone scummy for not being super chatty in the first 24 hours of the game

Vote: WCD

[2.71828.....]

*has

Also, more people should vote for Galzria.

Scratch that, vote for Didds.

Wagons!

[Swowl]

I feel like mcmc had the usual level of non-committal D1 posts they always have

I do not yet have an opinion on anyone per-say - but that is the exact opposite as I remember MCMC (as in, I disagree with this post).

[2.71828.....]

I feel like mcmc had the usual level of non-committal D1 posts they always have

I do not yet have an opinion on anyone per-say - but that is the exact opposite as I remember MCMC (as in, I disagree with this post).

Maybe I am conflating mcmc with someone else. Totally possible

[MiX]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

Didds is scummy because it's early day one and she's actually scumhunting

vote: didds

Also, I was just thinking that. More specifically how she called someone scummy for not being super chatty in the first 24 hours of the game

Vote: WCD

Is everyone scola's partner?

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

[mcmcsalot]

I feel like mcmc had the usual level of non-committal D1 posts they always have

I do not yet have an opinion on anyone per-say - but that is the exact opposite as I remember MCMC (as in, I disagree with this post).

Interesting that I do not think I have had a bunch of non commit all posts, but I also think i do not usually have non commit all posts day one as either alignment. I am usually pretty tunnely as both alignments.

On the subject of tunneling I still think ADK is scummy. Vote: ADK

I don’t understand the Didds wagon at all but I never find didds scummy.

[mcmcsalot]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

Why are the votes on you terrible?

[shraeye]

I feel like mcmc had the usual level of non-committal D1 posts they always have

I do not yet have an opinion on anyone per-say - but that is the exact opposite as I remember MCMC (as in, I disagree with this post).

I'm not sure which part you are disagreeing with, but I disagree with everything e wrote.

I dont think mcmc has, in general, noncommittal D1 posts, and I don't think he has them in this game specifically either.

[shraeye]

Vote: e

[jotheonah]

Does no one els think mcmc's actions thus far are somewhat and surprisingly scummy?

I do, hence the vote

[scolapasta]

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

Didds is scummy because it's early day one and she's actually scumhunting

vote: didds

Also, I was just thinking that. More specifically how she called someone scummy for not being super chatty in the first 24 hours of the game

Vote: WCD

Is everyone scola's partner?

Everyone who's town is my partner.

[scolapasta]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

While I am a lot of things, I disagree that I am everything (nor that it would be obvious).

[LaLight]

Vote Count 1.2

mcmcsalot (2): jotheonah, Robz888
Robz888 (2): scolapasta, Swowl
scolapasta (1): MiX
WestCoastDidds (3): yuma, A Drowned Kernel, 2.71828.....
A Drowned Kernel (1): mcmcsalot
2.71828..... (1): shraeye

Not Voting (3): Galzria, WestCoastDidds, mail-mi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

[Robz888]

What did Didds do?

[Robz888]

I feel like mcmc had the usual level of non-committal D1 posts they always have

I do not yet have an opinion on anyone per-say - but that is the exact opposite as I remember MCMC (as in, I disagree with this post).

Maybe I am conflating mcmc with someone else. Totally possible

I don't think this describes mcmc very well.

[MiX]

What did Didds do?

Voted scum. The horror!

Wait, no, I think she just scumread scola really early into the game for real reasons and people think town!Didds can't do that. They're wrong by the way.

[Robz888]

Why did 2.7 call on us all to vote for Galz—a weird demand anyway, Galz hasn't done anything scum—and then immediately vote for someone else? This isn't logical behavior.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why did 2.7 call on us all to vote for Galz—a weird demand anyway, Galz hasn't done anything scum—and then immediately vote for someone else? This isn't logical behavior.

Do you expect town!e to be more logical than scum!e?

[MiX]

Why did 2.7 call on us all to vote for Galz—a weird demand anyway, Galz hasn't done anything scum—and then immediately vote for someone else? This isn't logical behavior.

Do you expect town!e to be more logical than scum!e?

Where did Robz say this!e was scum!e?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why did 2.7 call on us all to vote for Galz—a weird demand anyway, Galz hasn't done anything scum—and then immediately vote for someone else? This isn't logical behavior.

Do you expect town!e to be more logical than scum!e?

Where did Robz say this!e was scum!e?

I'm assuming here's not just asking the question for curiosity's sake

[A Drowned Kernel]

He's*

[MiX]

He's*

Right, but it doesn't assume e's scum because of it. He's just asking e a question.

It feels like you want to lead him into scumreading e so you can say his read is misplaced.

[shraeye]

He's*

Right, but it doesn't assume e's scum because of it. He's just asking e a question.

It feels like you want to lead him into scumreading e so you can say his read is misplaced.

He's not asking E a question.  He asked the question to the room.  Robz's question is 75% more leading than ADK's

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

Why are the votes on you terrible?

All of them are based on the fact that I must be scum because I have a legitimate reason for my vote instead of just banter

[A Drowned Kernel]

He's*

Right, but it doesn't assume e's scum because of it. He's just asking e a question.

It feels like you want to lead him into scumreading e so you can say his read is misplaced.

We're playing a game of mafia, commenting on something odd a player is doing carries an implication of "this thing might be scummy". I would rather he gave an opinion on the matter than polling the crowd

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

While I am a lot of things, I disagree that I am everything (nor that it would be obvious).

Ah, sorry...left out a pronoun. The term Before Time is everything. Because it is. Obviously.

[yuma]

Vote: e

No!

[yuma]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

Why are the votes on you terrible?

All of them are based on the fact that I must be scum because I have a legitimate reason for my vote instead of just banter

All of them?

[jotheonah]

I want to just acknowledge that I'm a lot less active than normal this day 1. That's down to unexpected RL business as well as the general "hard time getting into day 1" stuff. But I am following along.

[MiX]

I want to just acknowledge that I'm a lot less active than normal this day 1. That's down to unexpected RL business as well as the general "hard time getting into day 1" stuff. But I am following along.

Oh you're not trying to be town, that means you're town.

[mcmcsalot]

He's*

Right, but it doesn't assume e's scum because of it. He's just asking e a question.

It feels like you want to lead him into scumreading e so you can say his read is misplaced.

I completely agree with this. MiX you should join me in voting ADK hes been scummy.

[MiX]

He's*

Right, but it doesn't assume e's scum because of it. He's just asking e a question.

It feels like you want to lead him into scumreading e so you can say his read is misplaced.

I completely agree with this. MiX you should join me in voting ADK hes been scummy.

But I don't wanna exile ADK...

[2.71828.....]

back to vote: Robz for playing Dominion better than me....

[2.71828.....]

But actually.

vote: Didds

[scolapasta]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

While I am a lot of things, I disagree that I am everything (nor that it would be obvious).

Ah, sorry...left out a pronoun. The term Before Time is everything. Because it is. Obviously.

Yes, obviously. I miss the Before Times. Sort of related, one of my favorite restaurants is closing down - getting one last takeput meal tonight, though 1/2 the menu is also out of stock.

I'm still happy with my Robz vote, though may consider didds. or MiX (always)

[Robz888]

Why did 2.7 call on us all to vote for Galz—a weird demand anyway, Galz hasn't done anything scum—and then immediately vote for someone else? This isn't logical behavior.

Do you expect town!e to be more logical than scum!e?

I suppose that's a valid question. Dunno.

[A Drowned Kernel]

or MiX (always)

See, this is scummy

vote: scola

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

And scola should be talking more. He totally introduced Before Time into my lexicon and is obviously everything.

Why are the votes on you terrible?

All of them are based on the fact that I must be scum because I have a legitimate reason for my vote instead of just banter

All of them?

Well, you tell me... I don't see how any of these are different in substance from one another.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

Didds is scummy because it's early day one and she's actually scumhunting

vote: didds

I do have to admit, this is town!scola, although that says nothing about whether he's town or not.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

Ha! I'm pretty sure I'm rarely engaged D1 (especially when intersecting with weekends)

That is what I thought too, vote: West

Why is Didds scummy?

Didds is scummy because it's early day one and she's actually scumhunting

vote: didds

Also, I was just thinking that. More specifically how she called someone scummy for not being super chatty in the first 24 hours of the game

Vote: WCD

[yuma]

Hm. My vote was because I felt your justification was fabricrated. Not just voting you for scum hunting. That isn't a reason to vote for someone.

[yuma]

Asks is kinda that. Mine and 2.7 less so.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hm. My vote was because I felt your justification was fabricrated. Not just voting you for scum hunting. That isn't a reason to vote for someone.

I fabricated that I found him less engaging than I normally do? Uhm...okay. That seems like far more of a fabrication than anything I said.

[yuma]

Fabricated is the wrong word. I thought it was a false reason and see a chance that it was fabricated if you are scum.

[Galzria]

Just got home from the trip. Going to read the entire thread tonight, but content won’t come until tomorrow, sorry.

[Swowl]

Just got home from the trip. Going to read the entire thread tonight, but content won’t come until tomorrow, sorry.

ditto. miight get to some of it tonight, but just got back.

[shraeye]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

I feel like this is always your defense. Why should I believe this iteration?

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

I feel like this is always your defense. Why should I believe this iteration?

I dunno. I don’t know that you ever don’t think I’m scum, so it’s always hard to overcome your suspicion even though it’s almost always incorrectly placed.

This has been a particularly aggravating start, though, because my impression of Scola was genuine and getting blasted for it is somewhat less than awesome.

[mail-mi]

Vote Count 1.1

mcmcsalot (3): jothenonah, A Drowned Kernel, Robz888
Robz888 (3): scolapasta, 2.71828....., mcmcsalot
scolapasta (1): MiX
Not Voting (6): Galzria, Swowl, shraeye, WestCoastDidds, yuma, mail-mi

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

  My no-exile vote isn't appearing in any vote counts.

Here, gonna reread the thread and see what's up.

[mail-mi]

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It's not pro-town, AND not necessarily something a town would do more than scum.  Or vice versa.  It's the way every game starts, with an overwrought, not helpful in any way discussion about setup.  No thanks.

It was pro-town, otherwise I would not have said it. It's at least a way to start the game rather than RVS, which admittedly still happened but was much less than usual.

[mail-mi]

I could see myself joining the Didds wagon. After people called her out for it, she started playing her meta more. Scumhunting early in D1 is a good thing, but playing up your meta after people call you out for it is scummy.

[mail-mi]

He's*

Right, but it doesn't assume e's scum because of it. He's just asking e a question.

It feels like you want to lead him into scumreading e so you can say his read is misplaced.

We're playing a game of mafia, commenting on something odd a player is doing carries an implication of "this thing might be scummy". I would rather he gave an opinion on the matter than polling the crowd

I agree with this first sentence. I disagree with the second sentence, though. I've had plenty of times where I want to know what the crowd thinks before saying what I think; or I haven't figured out what to think and I want some other opinions on it first.

[mail-mi]

back to vote: Robz for playing Dominion better than me....

why are you extending RVS when we are way past that?

vote: 2.7 on principle.

[MiX]

back to vote: Robz for playing Dominion better than me....

why are you extending RVS when we are way past that?

vote: 2.7 on principle.

Terrible vote. Guess you're town then.

Scola is still scum btw. He just might be town.

The Didds wagon is decent, but I think it's anti-town. I don't think this will exile scum!Didds.

[scolapasta]

or MiX (always)

See, this is scummy

vote: scola

Based on all past games I've had with MiX, this is definitely not scummy.

[scolapasta]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

I feel like this is always your defense. Why should I believe this iteration?

I dunno. I don’t know that you ever don’t think I’m scum, so it’s always hard to overcome your suspicion even though it’s almost always incorrectly placed.

This has been a particularly aggravating start, though, because my impression of Scola was genuine and getting blasted for it is somewhat less than awesome.

It feels like you're trying to hard to convice us that it was genuine, when I think you're the one who has previously even pointed out that I some weekends I can be nearly absent. i.e. if it were true, sure it could be genuine, but I don't necessarily follow were you would think it were true - I think that's why others have called it a possible fabrication.

[MiX]

or MiX (always)

See, this is scummy

vote: scola

Based on all past games I've had with MiX, this is definitely not scummy.

I'm always on the table, right?

Debatepro come back I miss you

PPE: hey why did you vote Robz?

[2.71828.....]

back to vote: Robz for playing Dominion better than me....

why are you extending RVS when we are way past that?

vote: 2.7 on principle.

Vote: mail-mi

My next post literally negated my silly vote + voting on principle is scummy

[mail-mi]

back to vote: Robz for playing Dominion better than me....

why are you extending RVS when we are way past that?

vote: 2.7 on principle.

Vote: mail-mi

My next post literally negated my silly vote + voting on principle is scummy

I am aware of your next post. however, you still dipped into RVS which is scummy.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh, y’all, quit it. Those are terrible votes and you know it.

I feel like this is always your defense. Why should I believe this iteration?

I dunno. I don’t know that you ever don’t think I’m scum, so it’s always hard to overcome your suspicion even though it’s almost always incorrectly placed.

This has been a particularly aggravating start, though, because my impression of Scola was genuine and getting blasted for it is somewhat less than awesome.

It feels like you're trying to hard to convice us that it was genuine, when I think you're the one who has previously even pointed out that I some weekends I can be nearly absent. i.e. if it were true, sure it could be genuine, but I don't necessarily follow were you would think it were true - I think that's why others have called it a possible fabrication.

I am not trying to convince anyone of my authenticity. Believe me or don’t, there is zero that I can do about that. I can answer arguments or assertions, but that’s not about if what I say about what I feel is real.

It is. I am.

So here is what I said:

Right now, scola is at the top of my exile list. Feels like it might be a scummy start for him.

What about scola’s start feels scummy to you?

He’s usually more chatty and engaged. This has been way more slow roll, low-key than I’m used to from town Scola

I don’t vote for you, or encourage other people to vote for you. I said this was how it seemed to me. Up until this point you had two rather terse one or two line posts.

I’m getting a bit tilted by this discussion so I’m going to stop now. If sharing my impressions is scummy, exile me. I’m over it.

[WestCoastDidds]

or MiX (always)

See, this is scummy

vote: scola

Based on all past games I've had with MiX, this is definitely not scummy.

I'm always on the table, right?

Debatepro come back I miss you

PPE: hey why did you vote Robz?

Hahahahahah....there’s a reason he doesn’t play with us! It’s no fun being the D1 missile. But I’ll convey your well wishes.

[yuma]

vote: robz

[Dylan32]

Sorry, there should be one vote for no exile. For some reason I thought the vote had been moved prior to the vote count. It will be fixed shortly.

[Dylan32]

Sorry, there should be one vote for no exile. For some reason I thought the vote had been moved prior to the vote count. It will be fixed shortly.

should have been*

[Dylan32]

Vote Count 1.3

mcmcsalot (2): jotheonah, Robz888
Robz888 (3): scolapasta, Swowl, yuma
scolapasta (2): MiX, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): mcmcsalot
2.71828..... (2): shraeye, mail-mi
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....

Not Voting (2): Galzria, WestCoastDidds

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

[Swowl]

OK almost caught up.
Just gonna remove my RVS vote for now. Will finish up this afternoon and get some thoughts out.

Unvote

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 1.3

mcmcsalot (2): jotheonah, Robz888
Robz888 (3): scolapasta, Swowl, yuma
scolapasta (2): MiX, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): mcmcsalot
2.71828..... (2): shraeye, mail-mi
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....

Not Voting (2): Galzria, WestCoastDidds

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

Wait, no one is voting for Didds? All this hullaballoo and no votes?

[mail-mi]

Joth has a point. vote: wcd

[MiX]

You guys moved away from Didds on your own, how is it a reason to vote her?

[mail-mi]

You guys moved away from Didds on your own, how is it a reason to vote her?

I still think didds is scummy. Also my e vote was a policy vote.

[MiX]

You guys moved away from Didds on your own, how is it a reason to vote her?

I still think didds is scummy. Also my e vote was a policy vote.

Oh you were on her already I see.

[jotheonah]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

[MiX]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

Yep.

[mail-mi]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

[WestCoastDidds]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

[MiX]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Well, uh, you guys forced her. Early pushes on Didds are anti-town as it makes her defend herself.

Instead, what people should've done is take the opportunity and push scola to see if he cracks. Turns out he's just away so that won't work, but pushing Didds doesn't tell us anything either.

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

Who's scum?

[2.71828.....]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

Yeah, only un-friendly, cynical, calculating people are townie

[mail-mi]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

I was late! I was trying to catch up! I’m usually early so feel no compunction whatsoever about chatting everyone up.

Like, how are the animals? And how are you?

Specifically, this quote. "Oh no, they're reading me scummy, I better do something Didds! How are the animals?" is how I read that.

[mail-mi]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Well, uh, you guys forced her.

Not me!

[WestCoastDidds]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Well, uh, you guys forced her. Early pushes on Didds are anti-town as it makes her defend herself.

Instead, what people should've done is take the opportunity and push scola to see if he cracks. Turns out he's just away so that won't work, but pushing Didds doesn't tell us anything either.

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

Who's scum?

Scola, Yuma, and yams

[MiX]

Wow.

And you're the fourth one? I can accept that.

Which ones aren't your partners?

[mail-mi]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Well, uh, you guys forced her. Early pushes on Didds are anti-town as it makes her defend herself.

Instead, what people should've done is take the opportunity and push scola to see if he cracks. Turns out he's just away so that won't work, but pushing Didds doesn't tell us anything either.

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

Who's scum?

Scola, Yuma, and yams

Ah, so those who scumread you are scum?

[2.71828.....]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Well, uh, you guys forced her.

Not me!

No, you are the very picture of town

I feel another mail-mi mislynch driven by me coming on...

[mail-mi]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Well, uh, you guys forced her.

Not me!

No, you are the very picture of town

I feel another mail-mi mislynch driven by me coming on...

I'm saying I didn't force didds back into her chatty self, I only started scumreading her after she was "forced" back into her meta.

Wouldn't be a game of mafia without it. 

[MiX]

I feel another mail-mi mislynch driven by me coming on...

No don't, I will fight those until the bitter end. I saw the train wreck from a mile away...

[WestCoastDidds]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

I was late! I was trying to catch up! I’m usually early so feel no compunction whatsoever about chatting everyone up.

Like, how are the animals? And how are you?

Specifically, this quote. "Oh no, they're reading me scummy, I better do something Didds! How are the animals?" is how I read that.

Oh, yeah...that is so dramatically different than any of my other posts.

Like this hard edged entry

Hi hi hi hi!

I’m sorry I’m so late to the party! Especially since I have missed you all so much!

Mcmc.....hi, friend! Congratulations on the new arrival. I’m so happy for you! And I’m glad you’re back!!

Mix and Swowl, I specifically joined this game because being in NO games together is just wrong. Same with Joth. Bereft! I was bereft!

Yams, scola, ADK, galzy, Yuma....hi! I hope that you are all doing well! (Yams is a nickname for mail-mi. I use it often)

Shraeye! It’s been a minute. I hope the semester ended well. Is there time in the summer for math?

Robs, I hardly know you, buy as one of the OGs you just be made of awesome. So, hi!

Or this foot to the fire burner

Good morning!

I’m super envious of the Swozria Tahoe trip. The lack of ability to go to fun places has been tough. We’re playing board games today with debatepro’s bestie, who is our only regular guest. I think it’s gonna be Scythe, but maybe Carnival of Monsters.

Right now, scola is at the top of my exile list. Feels like it might be a scummy start for him.

For my askersky ability, I’ll claim shameless appeal to emotion. Oh, wait....

Perhaps my message to ADK about the animals is because I care about the freaking animals and about ADK, and I want to be friends with y’all and this is how I do it.

I have no idea why this game is so duderific, but I’m definitely having a hard time navigating it.

[mail-mi]

I can't decide if Didds is scummy. Is she always this defensive when a couple of people vote for her?

It's not the defensiveness that is getting on me. It's that she forced a return to her chatty friendly meta after people found her scummy for scumhunting (which, again, is not scummy)

Oh, good gravy! Being myself is scummy? And I forced it?

I was late! I was trying to catch up! I’m usually early so feel no compunction whatsoever about chatting everyone up.

Like, how are the animals? And how are you?

Specifically, this quote. "Oh no, they're reading me scummy, I better do something Didds! How are the animals?" is how I read that.

Oh, yeah...that is so dramatically different than any of my other posts.

Like this hard edged entry

Hi hi hi hi!

I’m sorry I’m so late to the party! Especially since I have missed you all so much!

Mcmc.....hi, friend! Congratulations on the new arrival. I’m so happy for you! And I’m glad you’re back!!

Mix and Swowl, I specifically joined this game because being in NO games together is just wrong. Same with Joth. Bereft! I was bereft!

Yams, scola, ADK, galzy, Yuma....hi! I hope that you are all doing well! (Yams is a nickname for mail-mi. I use it often)

Shraeye! It’s been a minute. I hope the semester ended well. Is there time in the summer for math?

Robs, I hardly know you, buy as one of the OGs you just be made of awesome. So, hi!

Or this foot to the fire burner

Good morning!

I’m super envious of the Swozria Tahoe trip. The lack of ability to go to fun places has been tough. We’re playing board games today with debatepro’s bestie, who is our only regular guest. I think it’s gonna be Scythe, but maybe Carnival of Monsters.

Right now, scola is at the top of my exile list. Feels like it might be a scummy start for him.

For my askersky ability, I’ll claim shameless appeal to emotion. Oh, wait....

Perhaps my message to ADK about the animals is because I care about the freaking animals and about ADK, and I want to be friends with y’all and this is how I do it.

I have no idea why this game is so duderific, but I’m definitely having a hard time navigating it.

Both of those posts came before people started calling you out and voting for you.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 1.3

mcmcsalot (2): jotheonah, Robz888
Robz888 (3): scolapasta, Swowl, yuma
scolapasta (2): MiX, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): mcmcsalot
2.71828..... (2): shraeye, mail-mi
mail-mi (1): 2.71828.....

Not Voting (2): Galzria, WestCoastDidds

With 13 alive it takes 7 to exile.

Day 1 lasts until 11:00am FT on July 3, 2020.

Wait, no one is voting for Didds? All this hullaballoo and no votes?

This also sticks out to me. Vote: Scolapasta for being a prime offender on this front.

[Robz888]

vote: robz

Why?

[MiX]

Both of those posts came before people started calling you out and voting for you.

Exactly, so Didds didn't "go back" to posting like this. She just...posts like this.

[mail-mi]

(P.S. Didds, I love how friendly you are and I don't want the chatty fun to stop, btw.    Just think this particular instance is scummy in the context of this game)

[mail-mi]

Both of those posts came before people started calling you out and voting for you.

Exactly, so Didds didn't "go back" to posting like this. She just...posts like this.

What's getting me is the "Like," part of the post, which immediately follows the "I'm sorry I was scumhunting!" part of the post.

[mail-mi]

Both of those posts came before people started calling you out and voting for you.

Exactly, so Didds didn't "go back" to posting like this. She just...posts like this.

What's getting me is the "Like," part of the post, which immediately follows the "I'm sorry I was scumhunting!" part of the post.

Like she's saying "See! I'm still myself, look at this question I'm asking ADK!"

[MiX]

Both of those posts came before people started calling you out and voting for you.

Exactly, so Didds didn't "go back" to posting like this. She just...posts like this.

What's getting me is the "Like," part of the post, which immediately follows the "I'm sorry I was scumhunting!" part of the post.

Like she's saying "See! I'm still myself, look at this question I'm asking ADK!"

She is saying that. There's no...deceit. She went back to it because she was thinking about things she would do if she had time to, and thus that gave her time to think of that question, so she asked it.

I can't really see how this has to be scummy thinking.

[scolapasta]

Wait, no one is voting for Didds? All this hullaballoo and no votes?

This also sticks out to me. Vote: Scolapasta for being a prime offender on this front.

All I did was not understand were didd's vote on me came from (as I didn't agree with the reasoning). I think it leads me to suspect her, but not so much that I'm ready to vote for her.

I do feel like her reaction is more defensive than I've seen in the past. But that might just be because she feels more pushed. Or Covid times are just making everyone a little stir crazy.

Still happy with my Robz vote.

[MiX]

I was late! I was trying to catch up! I’m usually early so feel no compunction whatsoever about chatting everyone up.

Like, how are the animals? And how are you?

"I was more urgent than normal! I usually have time to think of stuff to chat about, like, how are the animals ADK?"

That's how I interpret that sentence.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ah, so those who scumread you are scum?

No, neither ADK nor e are on that list.

Scola is scum because I feel like he’s off. Yuma is scum based on the reasons for his votes, and you (and Scola) are scummy for beating a dead horse and trying to paint my interactions as forced, inauthentic, or deliberate...it’s taking up way too much space and distracting from anything important.

[A Drowned Kernel]

mail-mi is town

[MiX]

I would like to point out that 90% of the games Didds says I'm "off", I'm scum. That should be enough to vote scola, right?

mail-mi is town

Yes, but who's scum?

[mail-mi]

Ah, so those who scumread you are scum?

No, neither ADK nor e are on that list.

Scola is scum because I feel like he’s off. Yuma is scum based on the reasons for his votes, and you (and Scola) are scummy for beating a dead horse and trying to paint my interactions as forced, inauthentic, or deliberate...it’s taking up way too much space and distracting from anything important.

The horse isn't dead because you're not exiled yet.

But you do have a point, I should look at what other people are doing as well.

[WestCoastDidds]

(P.S. Didds, I love how friendly you are and I don't want the chatty fun to stop, btw.    Just think this particular instance is scummy in the context of this game)

Thanks, yams. And thanks, MiX. I appreciate y’all.

I wear my feelings on the outside (thus the defensiveness). I know it’s just a game and no one is trying to be mean.

[WestCoastDidds]

I would like to point out that 90% of the games Didds says I'm "off", I'm scum. That should be enough to vote scola, right?

This is a source of great pride for me.

Also, vote: Scola

[shraeye]

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It's not pro-town, AND not necessarily something a town would do more than scum.  Or vice versa.  It's the way every game starts, with an overwrought, not helpful in any way discussion about setup.  No thanks.

It was pro-town, otherwise I would not have said it. It's at least a way to start the game rather than RVS, which admittedly still happened but was much less than usual.

"It's pro-town because *I* said it" is so empty I can hear the air whooshing into the vacuum from here.

"At least it's something" is categorically not a defense to "it is not helpful"

[scolapasta]

Ah, so those who scumread you are scum?

No, neither ADK nor e are on that list.

Scola is scum because I feel like he’s off. Yuma is scum based on the reasons for his votes, and you (and Scola) are scummy for beating a dead horse and trying to paint my interactions as forced, inauthentic, or deliberate...it’s taking up way too much space and distracting from anything important.

Well this will end up being self fulfilling (since I'm responding) - but I just want back to confirm my posts. Go do it yourselves: how could those be read as "beating a dead horse". I mean sure, maybe you were more referring to mail-mi there, but you deliberately chose to add "and scola". It does feel like you're trying hard to push a scumapasta narrative one where none really exists.

Now does that paint you as scum? I don't know, just that it makes me want to keep on eye on you.

And claiming this is taking time from anything important? I don't get that either. These back and forth discussions seem to usually be at least somewhat useful is trying to read people.

That said, I am completely willing to move on from this specific interaction right now. Who else should we be looking at?

Didds, do you think Robz is scum?

ppe 4

[scolapasta]

Also, I now think MiX is likely town.

[mcmcsalot]

I think bringing up the potential of should the doctor claim or not is certainly pro town, it’s not necessarily towny because scum could do it as well. Sure it could be nefariously brought up to draw out reactions to find the doctor while looking towny but it doesn’t make the discussion itself anything other than pro-town.

It's not pro-town, AND not necessarily something a town would do more than scum.  Or vice versa.  It's the way every game starts, with an overwrought, not helpful in any way discussion about setup.  No thanks.

It was pro-town, otherwise I would not have said it. It's at least a way to start the game rather than RVS, which admittedly still happened but was much less than usual.

"It's pro-town because *I* said it" is so empty I can hear the air whooshing into the vacuum from here.

"At least it's something" is categorically not a defense to "it is not helpful"

While I disagree that it was not helpful I agree that mail-mi’s defense here of why it is helpful is pretty lame.

Also mail-mi has had a wild tunnel of wcd for what appears to be a pretty small and as E pointed out not very correct reason.

All that being said I’m not sure scum!mail-mi decides to do any of this. I think he crafts a better reason the opening post was helpful and I think he drops the weird wcd pressure when the votes dissapear. Also were in multi ball so scum is not looking to force exiles on players they no are town, they are trying to legitimately scumhunt so in this case I think this is mistaken town!mail-mi

[WestCoastDidds]

@scola- I’m not a very good person to ask about Robz. I’ve played in one game with him, and he exiled and then turned out to be an IC.

Mcmc is a better source! Or galzy.

[mcmcsalot]

I just reread scola and his posts read pretty scummy.

He only had 12 posts and has taken a lot of time to respond with a laugh or to non game specific content, he appears mostly to be trying to look towny and low key.

His robz vote came super early and he’s consistently re-affirmed it despite robz varying quite a bit in play and attitude and votes so far (meaning I find it hard to believe someone has had a singularly consistent read on him).

I have not played with scola before, he is coming across to me like newbie scum concerned mostly about looking towny.

Vote: scola

[Robz888]

Scolapasta is a good lunch.

[mail-mi]

Question for those who are scumreading Scola: how is this different than the scola we've seen in games past? He's been town in every game, and I'm not sure I see the difference.

[MiX]

Question for those who are scumreading Scola: how is this different than the scola we've seen in games past? He's been town in every game, and I'm not sure I see the difference.

Is scumhunting D1.

[Robz888]

Question for those who are scumreading Scola: how is this different than the scola we've seen in games past? He's been town in every game, and I'm not sure I see the difference.

Well I've never played with him before!

[Swowl]

Question for those who are scumreading Scola: how is this different than the scola we've seen in games past? He's been town in every game, and I'm not sure I see the difference.

Is scumhunting D1.

He is absolutely not playing as they always do. Still not sold on skum, but to say the same as always is a stretch.

[scolapasta]

Question for those who are scumreading Scola: how is this different than the scola we've seen in games past? He's been town in every game, and I'm not sure I see the difference.

Is scumhunting D1.

He is absolutely not playing as they always do. Still not sold on skum, but to say the same as always is a stretch.

I do legitimately find this surprising. I don't love D1s. I don't usually participate in RVS, so usually skip, but try to find some reason to favor voting someone over someone else. In this case it was Robz and how he was discussing the doctor claim, which I don't see much reason as that being prow town.

As always, I don't feel completely that strong, but I also don't see reason yet to switch votes. (if I find a better cause, or the vote goes dangerously up, I will, as always, reconsider)

[scolapasta]

That said, if you and Didds both seem to think I'm playing differently? Then maybe you're right, and I am (though not as scumapasta). which would lessen my reactions to Didds. I'm willing to consider that for sure.

[mail-mi]

scumapasta.

Love it.

[jotheonah]

I was  just thinking about how strongly I'm townreading Robz right now.

Then I realized it's been so long since I've been in a game with Robz, I forgot that I'm basically 100% to misread him.

So he's probably scum.

But I can't quite bring myself to vote for someone based on my strong townread of them.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would like to point out that 90% of the games Didds says I'm "off", I'm scum. That should be enough to vote scola, right?

mail-mi is town

Yes, but who's scum?

Still working on that but scola doesn't seem like a bad bet

[Robz888]

I was  just thinking about how strongly I'm townreading Robz right now.

Then I realized it's been so long since I've been in a game with Robz, I forgot that I'm basically 100% to misread him.

So he's probably scum.

But I can't quite bring myself to vote for someone based on my strong townread of them.

If it makes you feel any better—any differently? anything at all?—that's basically how I feel about you too.

Notably, though, I am NOT particularly townreading my brother mcmc, which is also something I usually find myself doing on Day 1.

[mcmcsalot]

Question for those who are scumreading Scola: how is this different than the scola we've seen in games past? He's been town in every game, and I'm not sure I see the difference.

Is scumhunting D1.

He is absolutely not playing as they always do. Still not sold on skum, but to say the same as always is a stretch.

I do legitimately find this surprising. I don't love D1s. I don't usually participate in RVS, so usually skip, but try to find some reason to favor voting someone over someone else. In this case it was Robz and how he was discussing the doctor claim, which I don't see much reason as that being prow town.

As always, I don't feel completely that strong, but I also don't see reason yet to switch votes. (if I find a better cause, or the vote goes dangerously up, I will, as always, reconsider)

See this doesn’t check out to me. Robz didnt bring up the doctor claim, mail-mi did. ADK, myself, joth, and robz all weighed in with varying takes. ADK was against it (can always l-1 claim), I made some points for it (counterclaims and time limit), joth was neutral (setup isn’t the worst for it but scum might find a way to nk), robz was for it but smart to say if he was the doctor he wouldn’t claim now which doesn’t rule him out of potentially being the doctor which strong in favor of claiming followed by not claiming would otherwise do.

So I don’t see how you pick robz out of all that for the vote.

[scolapasta]

I'll have to go back and reread and see why specifically I preferred Robz back then. I know there was something. But again, it was vague, just enough to convince me enough for the initial vote.

I'll try to do that sometime tonight.

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