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[Galzria]

Things I find interesting:

2nd post of the game:

Vote: Galzria for killing RobZ.

4th post of the game:

Also, for being alive.

If you were scum, and feared one player in this game - who would it be?

When I respond to these posts (and others), CF follows up with:

Pretty defensive galz.  Some of my case is obvRVS.

Fine and dandy, right?

Except he goes on to make a case on how he would've killed me instead (not buying it), and encourages others to vote for me because I'm "still alive and killed Robz". (See #209 and #212).

Here's what stands out most of all though. Sandwitched between post #2 and #4 of this game was #3:

Vote: Galzria for killing RobZ.

That's compelling! vote: Galzria

Sheeping in the name of RVS eHunt, or looking for an easy lynch?:

For being RVS Frisk, you sure are pushing this hard. I'm starting to think you are scum deflecting like mad after all with a crap case.

Tell me, since you seem to know so much about whom killed whom, when you killed Robz last night, was it with the plan of coming after me today? "Let's NK one, then claim we would've NK'd the other!" Seriously, back the eff off and stop tunneling so hard.

Translation: "I am annoyed that Frisk, on the basis of nothing, has successfully guessed that I am mafia."

vote: Galzria

It's like magic!

Vote: eHunt for being opportunistic scum happy to sheep along all day long.

[ehunt]

Obvscum and livid he's been caught day one.

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 1-4

Jotheonah (1) - Eevee
Captain_Frisk (2) - Ashersky, Axxle
Galzria (2) - Captain_Frisk, eHunt
Yuma (1) - Qvist
Ashersky (1) - Yuma
eHunt (1) - Galzria


Not Voting (3) - Grujah, TheMunch, Jotheonah

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: Tuesday November 20, 2012. 7:30am PST (10:30am forum time)

[jotheonah]

Galz are you suggesting that ehunt and Frisk are BOTH scum? Or that Frisk is annoying, misguided tunneling town and ehunt is opportunistic scum?

[Galzria]

Galz are you suggesting that ehunt and Frisk are BOTH scum? Or that Frisk is annoying, misguided tunneling town and ehunt is opportunistic scum?

This.

[Galzria]

Err, the second part.

[Galzria]

Obvscum and livid he's been caught day one.

Quite simply, you're talking out your ass, and have NO clue what scum Galz plays like. But fine. Want to screw town over even worse? Go ahead and lynch me.

[jotheonah]

Self-meta arguments = the worst.

[jotheonah]

I just don't think ehunt is scum here. He's tunneling you too hard. He's toast tomorrow, right?

[Galzria]

Self-meta arguments = the worst.

Like I said, then lynch me and see you're wrong once again. It's not exactly rocket science. I've played scum in two games. TWO. Go look them up on the leaderboard. Every other game I've played - every single one - I've been town. Although that hasn't stopped scum from driving lynches on me then, and it hasn't helped town to learn the difference.

But whatever. We already lost our Vig. Why not add me to the pile as well?

[Captain_Frisk]

Things I find interesting:

2nd post of the game:

Vote: Galzria for killing RobZ.

4th post of the game:

Also, for being alive.

If you were scum, and feared one player in this game - who would it be?

When I respond to these posts (and others), CF follows up with:

Pretty defensive galz.  Some of my case is obvRVS.

Fine and dandy, right?

Except he goes on to make a case on how he would've killed me instead (not buying it), and encourages others to vote for me because I'm "still alive and killed Robz". (See #209 and #212).

Neither #209 nor #212 reference you killing RobZ.  As you pointed out, my accusation of you killing RobZ is the 4th post in the game.

Do you really doubt that you'd be my #1 choice for a night kill as scum? 

[Galzria]

Things I find interesting:

2nd post of the game:

Vote: Galzria for killing RobZ.

4th post of the game:

Also, for being alive.

If you were scum, and feared one player in this game - who would it be?

When I respond to these posts (and others), CF follows up with:

Pretty defensive galz.  Some of my case is obvRVS.

Fine and dandy, right?

Except he goes on to make a case on how he would've killed me instead (not buying it), and encourages others to vote for me because I'm "still alive and killed Robz". (See #209 and #212).

Neither #209 nor #212 reference you killing RobZ.  As you pointed out, my accusation of you killing RobZ is the 4th post in the game.

Do you really doubt that you'd be my #1 choice for a night kill as scum?

No, they reference the "still alive" portion of your "RVS vote but I'm pushing it anyway like it's a real thing" case. And yes, anybody who looks at my recent track record* would, I think, much rather me be alive than someone like Robz. Obviously someone out there agrees with me - even if that someone isn't you.

* - Track record in normal games. I've been doing better in RMM or other Role heavy games recently.

[Galzria]

I just don't think ehunt is scum here. He's tunneling you too hard. He's toast tomorrow, right?

Why would he be toast tomorrow?

Both Frisk and eHunt are tunneling hardcore, and I doubt both are town. I think it's far more likely based on eHunt's sheeping and trying to get on wagons early (while not making cases of his own and trying to implement "policy lynches") that he's scum. So unless you're expecting the SK to kill him, I see no reason why he'd die.

[ehunt]

How is Galz flipping out this hard over two votes on him? I really think he's annoyed scum here. Annoyed because he didn't get a chance to start off on a good foot (he was legitimately gone on election day) and now there's a case on him that he can't answer without OMGUSing and swearing. He thinks the case isn't legit and is flipping out like someone losing a Dominion game due to bad luck and trying to reassure everyone he's still a better Dominion player than the opponent, just one with bad luck. He wants to say, "hey, I play well when I'm scum, not badly like this." Pure WIFOM. We know for a fact that you often fake militant emotions in these games.

(That being said, I think the "scum would have killed Galz" argument is overblown. Obviously at least one scumteam not containing Galz opted not to kill Galz. Maybe both did on the theory that the other would've. If I were scum I would have killed Frisk.) Anyway, I don't intend to change my vote. Galz is just totally busted here.

[jotheonah]

I just don't think ehunt is scum here. He's tunneling you too hard. He's toast tomorrow, right?

Why would he be toast tomorrow?

Both Frisk and eHunt are tunneling hardcore, and I doubt both are town. I think it's far more likely based on eHunt's sheeping and trying to get on wagons early (while not making cases of his own and trying to implement "policy lynches") that he's scum. So unless you're expecting the SK to kill him, I see no reason why he'd die.

I mean tomorrow, not in the night. Scum does not want to tunnel on day 1, it sets them up as the default lynch on day 2.

[Galzria]

How is Galz flipping out this hard over two votes on him? I really think he's annoyed scum here. Annoyed because he didn't get a chance to start off on a good foot (he was legitimately gone on election day) and now there's a case on him that he can't answer without OMGUSing and swearing. He thinks the case isn't legit and is flipping out like someone losing a Dominion game due to bad luck and trying to reassure everyone he's still a better Dominion player than the opponent, just one with bad luck. He wants to say, "hey, I play well when I'm scum, not badly like this." Pure WIFOM. We know for a fact that you often fake militant emotions in these games.

(That being said, I think the "scum would have killed Galz" argument is overblown. Obviously at least one scumteam not containing Galz opted not to kill Galz. Maybe both did on the theory that the other would've. If I were scum I would have killed Frisk.) Anyway, I don't intend to change my vote. Galz is just totally busted here.

Name me one game I've had "fake militant emotions" in.

No, I'll wait.

Still waiting.

Oh, that's right, you CAN'T. Why? Because:

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

Every single time I've had "fake militant emotions" I've been... Wait for it... Town! And you would know this because you've only ever seen me as town. Which makes those "fake militant emotions" not all that fake, now doesn't it?

I'm absolutely 100% fine with my lynch as long as promise to lynch eHunt immediately after. He's scum locked into a case he can't back himself out of so his only option is to push ahead full steam.

[ehunt]

How is Galz flipping out this hard over two votes on him? I really think he's annoyed scum here. Annoyed because he didn't get a chance to start off on a good foot (he was legitimately gone on election day) and now there's a case on him that he can't answer without OMGUSing and swearing. He thinks the case isn't legit and is flipping out like someone losing a Dominion game due to bad luck and trying to reassure everyone he's still a better Dominion player than the opponent, just one with bad luck. He wants to say, "hey, I play well when I'm scum, not badly like this." Pure WIFOM. We know for a fact that you often fake militant emotions in these games.

(That being said, I think the "scum would have killed Galz" argument is overblown. Obviously at least one scumteam not containing Galz opted not to kill Galz. Maybe both did on the theory that the other would've. If I were scum I would have killed Frisk.) Anyway, I don't intend to change my vote. Galz is just totally busted here.

Name me one game I've had "fake militant emotions" in.

No, I'll wait.

Still waiting.

Oh, that's right, you CAN'T. Why? Because:

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

Every single time I've had "fake militant emotions" I've been... Wait for it... Town! And you would know this because you've only ever seen me as town. Which makes those "fake militant emotions" not all that fake, now doesn't it?

I'm absolutely 100% fine with my lynch as long as promise to lynch eHunt immediately after. He's scum locked into a case he can't back himself out of so his only option is to push ahead full steam.

I agree to this deal.

[ehunt]

Why are you not self-voting? Could it be that you don't actually want this deal implemented at all and are just using it to gain town cred?

[Galzria]

How is Galz flipping out this hard over two votes on him? I really think he's annoyed scum here. Annoyed because he didn't get a chance to start off on a good foot (he was legitimately gone on election day) and now there's a case on him that he can't answer without OMGUSing and swearing. He thinks the case isn't legit and is flipping out like someone losing a Dominion game due to bad luck and trying to reassure everyone he's still a better Dominion player than the opponent, just one with bad luck. He wants to say, "hey, I play well when I'm scum, not badly like this." Pure WIFOM. We know for a fact that you often fake militant emotions in these games.

(That being said, I think the "scum would have killed Galz" argument is overblown. Obviously at least one scumteam not containing Galz opted not to kill Galz. Maybe both did on the theory that the other would've. If I were scum I would have killed Frisk.) Anyway, I don't intend to change my vote. Galz is just totally busted here.

Name me one game I've had "fake militant emotions" in.

No, I'll wait.

Still waiting.

Oh, that's right, you CAN'T. Why? Because:

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

Every single time I've had "fake militant emotions" I've been... Wait for it... Town! And you would know this because you've only ever seen me as town. Which makes those "fake militant emotions" not all that fake, now doesn't it?

I'm absolutely 100% fine with my lynch as long as promise to lynch eHunt immediately after. He's scum locked into a case he can't back himself out of so his only option is to push ahead full steam.

I agree to this deal.

Vote: Galzria

Let's do this.

[jotheonah]

Galz, I hate to do this. Because I agree with the self-meta argument you're making. But self-meta arguments are inherently weak, because if you are aware enough of your own meta to describe it, you're aware enough of your own meta to change it.

Add to that the defensiveness with few votes (which I have often said is the only scumtell I trust), the unapologetic OMGUS, and the weaksauce "when I flip town, lynch X" argument ... and I think I'm convinced.  I'm back to Vote: Galzria.

[jotheonah]

Oh, let's also add self-voting, which you habitually describe as anti-town. Boo.

[Galzria]

Oh, let's also add self-voting, which you habitually describe as anti-town. Boo.

It's even worse because I'm a PR this time. But town wants to play itself out of the game already, I say let 'em.

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 1-5

Jotheonah (1) - Eevee
Captain_Frisk (2) - Ashersky, Axxle
Galzria (4) - Captain_Frisk, eHunt, Galzria, Jotheonah {L-2}
Yuma (1) - Qvist
Ashersky (1) - Yuma


Not Voting (2) - Grujah, TheMunch

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: Tuesday November 20, 2012. 7:30am PST (10:30am forum time)

[ehunt]

Oh, let's also add self-voting, which you habitually describe as anti-town. Boo.

It's even worse because I'm a PR this time. But town wants to play itself out of the game already, I say let 'em.

Let's get this straight. You are a power role who, with a total of TWO votes on you, decides the best way to use your "role" is to offer a one-for-one lynch-trade with someone whom you suspect is scum, where you explicitly offer yourself to go first.

[ehunt]

Not to mention, you roleclaim at L-2, really L-3 because you are self-voting, a total of three days into the game. No, no, no. Town does not do this.