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[shraeye]

Ooh, I attributed that "based on last page and a half" to Joseph.  Did Ari"WantsInfo"HipShape dive into that at all?  My recollections are no.

[EFHW]

@Debatepro v/la means vacation/limited access. I should be back to normal posting levels tomorrow.

[raerae]

It is notable that the largest portion of MiX's core wagon yesterday - Debatepro, raerae, ari (and also recently shraeye, but he just unvoted) - are all not voting. I would really like to see them push someone other than MiX at some point in this game. The lack of voting so far is stalling the game.

EFHW, who is your top scumread?

Maybe it's because they're scum and haven't decided which mislynch wagon to create/join yet?

Scum gains nothing by pausing when they could push for a quick lunch. Also, you calling that the scumteam then, Joseph?

For faust, I'm not voting because my MiX/shraeye theory got all shot to hell and I don't know where I want my vote to go yet. I don't like how quickly the ari wagon has spun up so it isn't going there. I need to reread a couple people specifically but was curious how people would answer shraeye's questions so wanted to wait on that too. I'll get there tonight after bedtime most likely.

[Joseph2302]

It is notable that the largest portion of MiX's core wagon yesterday - Debatepro, raerae, ari (and also recently shraeye, but he just unvoted) - are all not voting. I would really like to see them push someone other than MiX at some point in this game. The lack of voting so far is stalling the game.

EFHW, who is your top scumread?

Maybe it's because they're scum and haven't decided which mislynch wagon to create/join yet?

Scum gains nothing by pausing when they could push for a quick lunch. Also, you calling that the scumteam then, Joseph

I think it's 2 of them

[Debatepro]

It is notable that the largest portion of MiX's core wagon yesterday - Debatepro, raerae, ari (and also recently shraeye, but he just unvoted) - are all not voting. I would really like to see them push someone other than MiX at some point in this game. The lack of voting so far is stalling the game.

EFHW, who is your top scumread?

Maybe it's because they're scum and haven't decided which mislynch wagon to create/join yet?

Scum gains nothing by pausing when they could push for a quick lunch. Also, you calling that the scumteam then, Joseph

I think it's 2 of them

I asked you for the logic/math behind 2 people on MiX are scummy and your reply in #1020 doesn't answer my question about how you came to that conclusion. Can you elaborate as I am trying to understand why?

[shraeye]

I'm as sure as I possibly can be, Joseph, that you are not correct with your "I think it's two of them"

[Debatepro]

Warning: Long post mostly data/coding.
Answers2: shrae's question on my read of rae.

After a thorough review/coding of all Rae's posts, I am leaning firm town for her. I don't see anything that is scummy, asks for reasons all votes, challenges votes on her, challenges analysis, teases, and jokes. At worst I see some not helpful discussion on theory. I could be missing something and it seems even smart well intentioned people in this thread disagree about conclusions. This message also enters my calculus.

Random other thought: Does silver's mistaking raerae/shraeye for newbs mean we can exclude silver/raerae, silver/shraeye as possible scum pairings?

The data and coding of all Rae's posts up to this point. Hyperlinked to aid town in jumping to posts with ease.
Key: A2= Answers to, ?2 = Question to, A?2 = Answer and questions to. 
65 Upset people beat her to wagon. *vote: shrae*
69 ?2-ari  is buddying good/bad
71 A2-ari  used too many words in reply *vote: ari*
128 ?2-shrae to clue in why gave joseph, faust, eddie 1 guess
130 A2-ari many wagons day 1 good bc can look back on interactions
131 ?2-shrae why care about their opinions (128)
135 ?2-mix Big wagons better than what… small wooden, etc.?
138 A2-mix votes are pointless w/o discussion… sheeping bad cases says nothing.
146 A2-mix Big RSV wagons are bad bc L2 on D1 no discussion
158 ?2-mix - shrae didn't post reason for mix vote, did u dscss in ur QT.
160 ?2-ss - Why db8 & ari town? ss said pretty sure on db8 & ari probably
161 A2-ari - mix gets FoS bc not freaking out, RR says can go both ways
163 A2-mix *vote: shrae* has xplaining to do re: #158
165 ?2-faust so ur the 3rd on rae?
176 A2-mix more Re: #158 - mix might defend scumbuddy case on him
180 A2-ss thanking for quick response see #178 evidence of towny posts
181 ?2-ss Scummy bc I'm ? For believing case not exist yet? #179
192 ?2-mix Re: #158 shrae didn't say reason. *vote: shrae*
235 A2-shrae hate when ur right
238 ?2-shrae Cute, but why vote for mix?
292 All - Don't accuse player of lying for IRL event. It sucks
295 A2-ds - Justfctn for ds's townead on RR bad. Accuses of buddying. (More Text)
298 ?2-eddie Quickhammer good for town?
316 A2-faust I'll vote when I please, don't vote on single post unless from role mssg
317 A2-ds will read later bc RL stuff
329 Reads on Everyone .. db8-new, faust-twnish, mail
330 A2? *vote: mix* bc mix cointroductions - evidenced
367 A2-LL Snarky but correct how to scumhunt w/o answers & interactions
370 A2-faust Rae's shrae case hinged on mix interaction, may be tunneling shrae
371 ?2-LL Why shrae towny, since LL claimed didn't know meta
375 A?2 @ds why faust towncred, bc he said? @faust U wouldn't let assertion fly for others?
390 ?2-joe Why voting rae? No reason.
404 A?2-LL I play my way. Looking for anything particular in my response?
405 A2-efhw Re: shrae/mix QT slip. Town shouldn't defend case against self.
422 ?2:-joe Justification of vote by joe 4 rae based on others play, is rubbish
431 A2-joe not helping town with sheep votes absent of reason
463 A2-ds faust assertion he is town, isn't a reason he is town
467 A2-ds D1 to early to claim other than normal game. RMM could be Different
470 A2-ds faust assertion as town is not reason to accept as fact, rubbish logic.
474 A?2-ds Getting now where, what if faust claimed not town aligned or 3rd party
512 A2-ALOT Eddy, ds, faust, mix
543 ?2-mail reason for vote on rae?
545 ?2-mail why vote for rae, what have people been "saying"?
557 All Review of wagons on mix and LL gives reads on db8, shrae, ari, self, LL, joe, Mail-me.
562 A2-mix *vote: mail* since no reason for vote on rae is given.
563 A2-db8 Should we end d1 with no lynch, yes in general good practice.
569 A2-mail-me No reason to vote, jk about having something together.
573 ?2-mail vote today?
614 A?2-faust D1 shouldn't end w/ RSV or Sheeping. Why ru good with that? People dfnd ur votes!
619 A2-joe Never give reasons rae is scum
621 A2-ds vote change from mix 2 mail bc sheeping scummy for later
622 A2-mix mail shouldn't be getting pass for sheeping this game
623 Unvote mail given #622
627 A2-efhw mail meta no longer includes sheeping
628 ?2-ds vote for me based on what?
633 ?2-ds Why am I scummy, ds doesn't give any reasons
635  Rebuke of absence of reasons, mix 2 eager to jmp on any wagon, vote: mix
641  *vote: mix* forgot to bold in #635
928 A2-efhw shrae/rae not online at EOD, LL said partner not on.
934 A2-shrae replying to mssg bout shrae/rae not online, re:mason
939 A?2-db8 No rules against status tracking, thoughts about mason claiming?
945 A2-shrae faust twny, generating convo & using logic
959 A2-shrae faust not scmmy 4hammer bc 2hammer > not 2hammer
996 ?2-ds You denying shrea is the other mason?
1016 A2-joe Never give reasons rae is scum
1031 A2-faust Twn should know reasons, why ok w/ not sharing. joe no! reason! rae scum
1040 A2-db8 D1 should share, sans cop reviewing wagon
1049 ?2-ds then correct me
1062 A?2-ds isn't sharing better in outlined scenarios
1066 A2-ds share or not 2share that is the ? rae says share
1071 ?2-shrae Reason for eddie vote?
1108 A2-db8 ds gave reasons, don't agree with some, bad that rae on his list of possible scum
1109 ?2-mail thoughts on joe, db8, ss?
1128 A?2-joe Asserting db8,rae,ari scumteam? @faust not vote bc old mix/shrae theory bad more later

[arishipshape]

I don't have any quotes of times you didn't call Joseph out for not giving reasons.  Because they aren't there. 
You can grab some quotes to correct me, if you'd like.

I meant a quote of raerae asking for info. Then I would look in the general vicinity of the quote for Joseph. If he isn't there, I would be forced to agree with you.

@Ari, what do you think of DatSwan’s analysis and conclusions in posts #1042-#1045?

Well, I want to hear EFHWs "detailed self defense" before I come to any conclusions.

Detailed self defense will have wait until after vla. I'll just say that DatSwan had to read very selectively not to see the motivations behind my actions. In case it isn't clear, the L1 MiX vote was entirely to avoid no lynch.

Anyways, I townread Debatepro. Most scum would avoid giving so much deadly information to the town, so unless we see any crucial inconsistencys in the analysis' provided, I think Debatepro is legit.

@Everyone voting for me: It would seem that the main reason I seem to be accruing such a wagon is my "fakeness" at the end of day 1 and the beginning of today. Is this correct? If so, then know this: I will gladly never show emotion or consult my fellow townies regarding what to do. Though I will end up making less informed decisions, and be less transparent to the town, it's worth it to avoid looking "fake" and getting lynched.

[silverspawn]

@Everyone voting for me: It would seem that the main reason I seem to be accruing such a wagon is my "fakeness" at the end of day 1 and the beginning of today. Is this correct? If so, then know this: I will gladly never show emotion or consult my fellow townies regarding what to do. Though I will end up making less informed decisions, and be less transparent to the town, it's worth it to avoid looking "fake" and getting lynched.

That answer is missing the point. You're pretending like you having shown emotion is a bad deed that you need to make up for, and that somehow if you promise that we won't have to vote for you. But there's nothing wrong at all with showing emotion. I think it signals your alignment, which is a good thing. We want to figure out other people's alignments.

[arishipshape]

@Everyone voting for me: It would seem that the main reason I seem to be accruing such a wagon is my "fakeness" at the end of day 1 and the beginning of today. Is this correct? If so, then know this: I will gladly never show emotion or consult my fellow townies regarding what to do. Though I will end up making less informed decisions, and be less transparent to the town, it's worth it to avoid looking "fake" and getting lynched.

That answer is missing the point. You're pretending like you having shown emotion is a bad deed that you need to make up for, and that somehow if you promise that we won't have to vote for you. But there's nothing wrong at all with showing emotion. I think it signals your alignment, which is a good thing. We want to figure out other people's alignments.

But it's getting me lynched. Therefore, it's a bad thing. Also, "have" to vote for me? You don't have to vote for me. You could kill yourself.

[faust]

@Everyone voting for me: It would seem that the main reason I seem to be accruing such a wagon is my "fakeness" at the end of day 1 and the beginning of today. Is this correct? If so, then know this: I will gladly never show emotion or consult my fellow townies regarding what to do. Though I will end up making less informed decisions, and be less transparent to the town, it's worth it to avoid looking "fake" and getting lynched.

That answer is missing the point. You're pretending like you having shown emotion is a bad deed that you need to make up for, and that somehow if you promise that we won't have to vote for you. But there's nothing wrong at all with showing emotion. I think it signals your alignment, which is a good thing. We want to figure out other people's alignments.

I applaud your patience.

[faust]

ari, hwo old are you?

[arishipshape]

ari, hwo old are you?

Why do you ask? Don't get me wrong, I will immediately answer any strictly game related questions asked. I just don't think that IRL questions will yield as relevant or accurate results, and hesitate to answer them.

[faust]

ari, hwo old are you?

Why do you ask? Don't get me wrong, I will immediately answer any strictly game related questions asked. I just don't think that IRL questions will yield as relevant or accurate results, and hesitate to answer them.

Remember, town needs information. I think knowing this would help me determine your alignment.

[Uncleeurope]

ari, hwo old are you?

Why do you ask? Don't get me wrong, I will immediately answer any strictly game related questions asked. I just don't think that IRL questions will yield as relevant or accurate results, and hesitate to answer them.

Remember, town needs information. I think knowing this would help me determine your alignment.

I echo this, I don’t know if it will change my opinion outright but it has been something nagging at me a bit.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Vote Count 2.2

Not Voting (5): Dylan32, arishipshape, EFHW, raerae, Debatepro

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends February 11, 2019, 05:00:00 pm

Could you switch out Dylan by mail-mi here? I am always confused when I look at this.

Fixed.

[Joseph2302]

ari, hwo old are you?

Why do you ask? Don't get me wrong, I will immediately answer any strictly game related questions asked. I just don't think that IRL questions will yield as relevant or accurate results, and hesitate to answer them.

Remember, town needs information. I think knowing this would help me determine your alignment.

I echo this, I don’t know if it will change my opinion outright but it has been something nagging at me a bit.

I don't think age should matter. And this is a question that could potentially be outing minors. Which we have no real reason to do.

Rant about right to anonymity over, now we can continue with the game

[shraeye]

Maybe you can lump it into a bucket; over 30 or under 30?  Or pick your favorite non-descriptive, somewhat delineating cut-off.  But, yeah, that's a qquestion you don't need to rush to answer.

[EFHW]

ari, hwo old are you?

Why do you ask? Don't get me wrong, I will immediately answer any strictly game related questions asked. I just don't think that IRL questions will yield as relevant or accurate results, and hesitate to answer them.

Remember, town needs information. I think knowing this would help me determine your alignment.

I echo this, I don’t know if it will change my opinion outright but it has been something nagging at me a bit.

He said he was taking a practice ACT, which probably means high school.

[silverspawn]

I don't think that question needs to be answered, tbh. It can be alignment indicative, but it violates anonymity.

[arishipshape]

ari, hwo old are you?

Why do you ask? Don't get me wrong, I will immediately answer any strictly game related questions asked. I just don't think that IRL questions will yield as relevant or accurate results, and hesitate to answer them.

Remember, town needs information. I think knowing this would help me determine your alignment.

I echo this, I don’t know if it will change my opinion outright but it has been something nagging at me a bit.

He said he was taking a practice ACT, which probably means high school.

Correct.  I am studying for college. Pretty sure that's as specific as I need to get to give Faust his reads. I know town info is uber important, but IRL stuff kinda trumps forum games imho.

When we start questioning people's real lives it gets real hard for them to care about this fake one.

[Debatepro]

I'm over 30 by at least a teenager.

[raerae]

No need to lynch me now, this has just killed me.

I'm over 30 by at least a teenager.

For ari, this is me asking Joseph for information and him not being there.  You and shraeye were discussing, please continue.

Joseph, why should we join you in voting for Debate?  Also, is it safe to assume you're just going to ignore these two posts?  If so, can you please explain why you're actively avoiding answering questions.

@Ari, @RaeRay, @Mail-Mi, & @Joseph what do you think of DatSwan’s analysis and conclusions in posts #1042-#1045?

I asked you for the logic/math behind 2 people on MiX are scummy and your reply in #1020 doesn't answer my question about how you came to that conclusion. Can you elaborate as I am trying to understand why?

[faust]

Sorry if it felt intrusive. It's just that this is a forum where people tend to talk about their daily lives, and I have a rough idea about basically everyone else's age. I thought you as well might have shared it somewhere on f.ds, so asking you is just a shortcut for combing through all your forum posts. Of course I'm fine if people do not want to answer such questions.

[Swowl]

I am 96 years old. I play when the wards are are sleeping because they don’t like us using the internets.