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[Witherweaver]

I mean, maybe I should say something like "my top priority is to hunt down scum," but well that's not true. I've said it before, the most important thing in mafia is not to be lynched, that goes for scum and town.

Think about it, I'm a fairly new player. It would be arrogant and probably foolish for myself to place too much trust into my reads. Yea, I might detect something useful, but I might also misread a town for scum (as it has happened before). But if you  lynch me, that's just awful, a mislynch on a town usually results in two dead towns. so, even if you find it scummy, I think the fact that surviving is more important for me than scumhunting is pretty clearly true.

This seems off to me.  You strike me as someone who is going to be pretty confident, despite your newness.

[Voltaire]

I went ahead and sent in my move order, fyi.

[Voltaire]

And Voltaire, you have said that you have townreads on all 3 people on the wagon (me, XP, Azadin), so Hydrad should be null, right?

Was that really the extent of the wagon? Thank you, that's the first of what I am sure are many mistakes in my reads reasoning.

[pingpongsam]

Look, I am on vacation with my family with a baby for the first time. That's no excuse but it does explain the difference in my usual play where I am pretty much present all day long.

My perception of how this went is that I pointed out Voltaire seemed the scummiest early game.  Voltaire eventually voted me for it. I was just about to solidify my case with a vote on him when I saw this. I decided that me flipping town showed him to be the scum he is so I joined his wagon on me and then so did teproc. Form that point on I kept seeing everyone favorably lean towards my lynch because no other obvious lynch has surfaced. Pretty sure teproc is town. Realize self voting is generally bad town punishable by lynch and leads to a worthless wagon. Believe in LALL.

Vote: egork

I still think Voltaire is possibly scum but a lot of his play yesterday does look quite towny.

[Voltaire]

My personal opinion is that the extra setup mechanics of this game makes it easy for everyone to seem sensible, townie, and helpful, and there's a decent chance that scum is eliminated from the pool on that alone.  Or that you're scum

See I was hoping I wasn't given town points for theory stuff but apparently it creeped in there. No need to worry about me being scum, btw.

[Voltaire]

*giving

[Witherweaver]

Look, I am on vacation with my family with a baby for the first time. That's no excuse but it does explain the difference in my usual play where I am pretty much present all day long.

My perception of how this went is that I pointed out Voltaire seemed the scummiest early game.  Voltaire eventually voted me for it. I was just about to solidify my case with a vote on him when I saw this. I decided that me flipping town showed him to be the scum he is so I joined his wagon on me and then so did teproc. Form that point on I kept seeing everyone favorably lean towards my lynch because no other obvious lynch has surfaced. Pretty sure teproc is town. Realize self voting is generally bad town punishable by lynch and leads to a worthless wagon. Believe in LALL.

Vote: egork

I still think Voltaire is possibly scum but a lot of his play yesterday does look quite towny.

Who does your baby think is scum?  Children are quite intuitive.

[Witherweaver]

Look, I am on vacation with my family with a baby for the first time. That's no excuse but it does explain the difference in my usual play where I am pretty much present all day long.

My perception of how this went is that I pointed out Voltaire seemed the scummiest early game.  Voltaire eventually voted me for it. I was just about to solidify my case with a vote on him when I saw this. I decided that me flipping town showed him to be the scum he is so I joined his wagon on me and then so did teproc. Form that point on I kept seeing everyone favorably lean towards my lynch because no other obvious lynch has surfaced. Pretty sure teproc is town. Realize self voting is generally bad town punishable by lynch and leads to a worthless wagon. Believe in LALL.

Vote: egork

I still think Voltaire is possibly scum but a lot of his play yesterday does look quite towny.

I don't really see the Voltaire scumminess early, except perhaps some buddying.  What did you find so scummy?

[Teproc]

NO one should be given town points just for helping with theory. You can get reads off of the way people have participated in the theory conversation, but just being helpful does not mean being townie, it's very easy for scum to blend in theory talk, which is why I'm usually against it.

The problem with lynching EgorK is that it's a lynch that's impossible to analyze later if he flips town. No one will be held accountable for their votes because it's hard to argue with "random lurker lynch".

[Witherweaver]

NO one should be given town points just for helping with theory. You can get reads off of the way people have participated in the theory conversation, but just being helpful does not mean being townie, it's very easy for scum to blend in theory talk, which is why I'm usually against it.

The problem with lynching EgorK is that it's a lynch that's impossible to analyze later if he flips town. No one will be held accountable for their votes because it's hard to argue with "random lurker lynch".

EgorK is pretty consistent at not being active.  I'd agree that he's not a great lynch.  On the other hand, sometimes "start participating or we'll lynch you" is good motivation.

[pingpongsam]

NO one should be given town points just for helping with theory. You can get reads off of the way people have participated in the theory conversation, but just being helpful does not mean being townie, it's very easy for scum to blend in theory talk, which is why I'm usually against it.

The problem with lynching EgorK is that it's a lynch that's impossible to analyze later if he flips town. No one will be held accountable for their votes because it's hard to argue with "random lurker lynch".

The argument against LALL holds true all game as does the reality that having such a lurker all game leaves this nagging question in everyone's minds. In my experience LALL nails scum half the time so it is a worthwhile tactic. Regardless of flip we get a better long term game.

[pingpongsam]

Look, I am on vacation with my family with a baby for the first time. That's no excuse but it does explain the difference in my usual play where I am pretty much present all day long.

My perception of how this went is that I pointed out Voltaire seemed the scummiest early game.  Voltaire eventually voted me for it. I was just about to solidify my case with a vote on him when I saw this. I decided that me flipping town showed him to be the scum he is so I joined his wagon on me and then so did teproc. Form that point on I kept seeing everyone favorably lean towards my lynch because no other obvious lynch has surfaced. Pretty sure teproc is town. Realize self voting is generally bad town punishable by lynch and leads to a worthless wagon. Believe in LALL.

Vote: egork

I still think Voltaire is possibly scum but a lot of his play yesterday does look quite towny.

I don't really see the Voltaire scumminess early, except perhaps some buddying.  What did you find so scummy?

Voltaire, until yesterday, was almost strictly opportunistically seeking where a wagon could be found without having to make a case he would have to answer for later. My self vote was intended to force him to have to answer later. I am less sure today that he is the bad guy, though.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[silverspawn]

This seems off to me.  You strike me as someone who is going to be pretty confident, despite your newness.

i can't reference other games but, if I could, I would do it now. ~]

I'm confident in a lot of things, but atm I don't think I'm so good at reading people.

[pacovf]

This seems off to me.  You strike me as someone who is going to be pretty confident, despite your newness.

i can't reference other games but, if I could, I would do it now. ~]

I'm confident in a lot of things, but atm I don't think I'm so good at reading people.

Well, if you never build cases on people, and if you never vote, we are going to have a hard time checking whether you are town or not. Flips and wagons are the strongest indicators of alignment, right?

[silverspawn]

Well, if you never build cases on people, and if you never vote, we are going to have a hard time checking whether you are town or not. Flips and wagons are the strongest indicators of alignment, right?

where is this post coming from? I never said i'm not going to make cases on people. In fact, I already made a reread on someone and posted my opinion, but I turned out to have a town read on him as a result, and I plan to make more rereads on other people. my approach is, pick a target more or less random, reread him, if he is scummy, make a case.

 To clarify this completely: I said that
-> I am not overly confident in my reads
-> It is more important for me not to be mislynched than to push cases

and that's all. I never said making cases is not important or that I'm not going to do it, all I said is that it's not quite as important as being honest and having a transparent image. this is a fact of minor importance that is only relevant in very few cases, and it doesn't even deserve or require much discussion, but for some reason you keep bringing it up.

[Voltaire]

The argument against LALL holds true all game as does the reality that having such a lurker all game leaves this nagging question in everyone's minds. In my experience LALL nails scum half the time so it is a worthwhile tactic. Regardless of flip we get a better long term game.

True fact.

[silverspawn]

The argument against LALL holds true all game as does the reality that having such a lurker all game leaves this nagging question in everyone's minds. In my experience LALL nails scum half the time so it is a worthwhile tactic. Regardless of flip we get a better long term game.

True fact.

yea, totally.

... what does lall mean?

[Teproc]

Lynch All Lurkers, Literally

[Voltaire]

request prod on EgorK

[faust]

request prod on EgorK

Prod sent.

[EgorK]

Checking in. Still catching up, you are to fast for me

[Robz888]

Checking in. Still catching up, you are to fast for me

Just skim, it's A LOT of setup talk.

[pingpongsam]

Lynch All Lurkers, Literally

I thought it was lynch all lurkers and liars.

[Voltaire]

Lynch All Lurkers, Literally

I thought it was lynch all lurkers and liars.

LAL can also be Lynch All Liars.