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[Witherweaver]

This is good. I need to take the time to actually read this. But makes me much more suspicious of teproc.

Because scum knows I am town. What better way to get me on their side then "cop" me and get my town result?

So as scummy. Much wow.

Hm, phone post.  I wanted to say, "Such scummy.  Much wow."

[Witherweaver]

*If Teproc is scum, e is probably town.

I don't buy this, actually.  I think Teproc would claim an innocent result on his partner precisely because everyone will make the "he wouldn't link with his partner like this" argument.

Though, I guess that line of thinking does provide motivation to lynch e over Teproc.

[iguanaiguana]

*If Teproc is scum, e is probably town.

I don't buy this, actually.  I think Teproc would claim an innocent result on his partner precisely because everyone will make the "he wouldn't link with his partner like this" argument.

Though, I guess that line of thinking does provide motivation to lynch e over Teproc.

Actually, you're right. Claiming an innocent result on, say, your mafia goon partner who didn't perform the NK... pretty safe.

But what about their big standoff yesterday? That didn't seem faked to me.

[Haddock]

Hmm yeah I forgot the trackers.
Forget that then.
My instinct says scum!teproc wouldn't confirm two townies here, my first thought is that he would name one town and one scum as town. Maybe Faust is right though and he would name two townies but push for the mislynch tomorrow.

Faust, I ignored your comment about redirection because theres no reason to expect to see it. It might be one shot, and even if not, its quite unlikely to cause outright contradictions between results (like it supposedly did yesterday).

I like the rest of your analysis though, and teproc could certainly be scum. I still want to see what happens before we decide though.

[Witherweaver]

*If Teproc is scum, e is probably town.

I don't buy this, actually.  I think Teproc would claim an innocent result on his partner precisely because everyone will make the "he wouldn't link with his partner like this" argument.

Though, I guess that line of thinking does provide motivation to lynch e over Teproc.

Actually, you're right. Claiming an innocent result on, say, your mafia goon partner who didn't perform the NK... pretty safe.

But what about their big standoff yesterday? That didn't seem faked to me.

That's true.

Also, there are not multiple 'innocent' results on e; only Teproc.  My result was that motion was detected, so e could have performed an action. 

[iguanaiguana]

*If Teproc is scum, e is probably town.

I don't buy this, actually.  I think Teproc would claim an innocent result on his partner precisely because everyone will make the "he wouldn't link with his partner like this" argument.

Though, I guess that line of thinking does provide motivation to lynch e over Teproc.

Actually, you're right. Claiming an innocent result on, say, your mafia goon partner who didn't perform the NK... pretty safe.

But what about their big standoff yesterday? That didn't seem faked to me.

That's true.

Also, there are not multiple 'innocent' results on e; only Teproc.  My result was that motion was detected, so e could have performed an action.

Right, I was thinking of the original incorrect result that you reported.

[Witherweaver]

Teproc could also actually be a cop and there are two scum teams. 

[Haddock]

Fausts result also exists, saying e performed no action. Which isn't exactly an innocent result, but it carries as much weight as wws result about hydrad (at least in the scenario where Faust is town).

[Haddock]

It could be amph who teproc is protecting. Maybe. But he has seemed towny from the start.

This all makes me think the cop claim is genuine.

I was pretty much expecting a cop in this setup anyway. I don't know why, I just was. Which makes me more inclined to believe teproc. Its just a bias I know, but there you are.

[Witherweaver]

Fausts result also exists, saying e performed no action. Which isn't exactly an innocent result, but it carries as much weight as wws result about hydrad (at least in the scenario where Faust is town).

Oh, I forgot about that. 

[Haddock]

Teproc could also actually be a cop and there are two scum teams.

This is spectacularly unlikely, we surely would have seen the extra kill.

[Witherweaver]

Teproc could also actually be a cop and there are two scum teams.

This is spectacularly unlikely, we surely would have seen the extra kill.

Not really. There have only been.. two nights?  Jailkeep can stop a kill in two directions, scum could have whatever powers, and double-targeting is certainly possible.  There have been multiball games with single kills for a couple of nights. 

[Haddock]

Unconvinced.
For one thing I think my jking can't have saved anyone n1, since e is now fairly strongly town and wouldn't have been nkd because he was under suspicion so a viable mislynch.

[Hydrad]

Christmas stuff! Will try to post still though

[faust]

About Teproc's targets: If Teproc is scum, then claiming results on townies is very dangerous because of PoE. Scum would have to be quite sure not to be mislynched in that scenario (so probably not Egor, iguana, Hydrad... who else is scummish?) So unless the scumtean is something like Teproc/WW/Haddock (very unlikely), that didn't happen.

Thus, scum!Teproc probably means scum among Ampharos/e... There are things pointing to town!e, what about Ampharos? I remember him being slightly scummy early on and then just nothing. Unfortunately I don't have time for a reread, but maybe someone could look into that?

[faust]

Some reads:

Ampharos - yeah I don't know. Could lynch I suppose? Was off the RR wagon though, some town points for that.
Hydrad - very non-present. There's WW's result, which uh I still don't really trust WW. Also off-wagon both times. Scum!Hydrad seems more like a wagon jumper. So I'm not really hot about the lynch, but would like more input.
WW - well ugh. Mod error means town points, but there are still scenarios in which scum sees a mod error and uses that. I can't make sense of what happened N1. He is very active and sincere and less jokey than usual, which rings some alarm bells. Could lynch.
faust - me
EgorK - did not like the way that wagon went D2, and the sudden change to RR afterwards. Good lynch candidate.
Haddock - I guess we should not read too much into flavor. Confirmed protective role is good stuff though. If town, he's a major target for sucm tonight. Not lynching.
iguanaiguana - I don't get why scum claims that? I mean you could make it up, but does scum really make that kind of stuff up? On both wagons, that's not so good. I would need some convincing I think, but not out of the question.
Teproc - there's a case as I said. I would like some more in-depth analysis, which I don't have time for. Volunteers?
2.7 - He gave me a bad feeling for quite some time. Then that hammer, scummysauce. Not having targetted someone tonight is unlikely for scum though.

[faust]

I will have very little to no time the next couple of days. Not even sure if I have internet access, and even if I do my priorities will be different. I hope to check in, but no promises. I think I should be back prior to the deadline.

[Teproc]

Yeah, I'm not rereading anyone today, that's not going to happen. I guess people don't want to lynch Hydrad ? EgorK is fine, but I prefer iguana.

vote: iguana

No idea why faust thinks one shot BP isn't something scum claims. It requirs no imgination to make it work flavorwise, which is pretty big right ?

And lynching e to check me is dumb. If you think I'm scum, lynch me. But, you know, don't.

WW being less jokey ? That's just because we're deep into the game, he was very jokey D1.

[Witherweaver]

I don't think it's the one-shot BP (I actually claimed that as scum in my last scum game, which Iguana was in), but the vanillaizing. 

Scum might get the idea to 'use' it on one of their own for towncred during claims.  Lipoil had that idea in Dice Mafia.

[Haddock]

I don't think igu is a good vote.
Will vote him if it's absolutely necessary though.

[iguanaiguana]

The two people I would say are most suspect are Teproc and Faust. Both should have been very tempting night kills. Both also have a reputation for playing towny as scum. Both are claiming strong investigative roles; that alone should be an indication that one or the other is most likely lying.

Today it feels like Teproc is taking advantage of a period of time where I don't have much time to post and am making mistakes in order to make a case against me. As the lynch pool gets smaller, what scum needs most right now is an easy mislynch. I'm seeing Teproc looking at me and thinking I'm it. 

Vote: Teproc

[Teproc]

Why would scum want to kill me last night ? Remember when I was a leading wagon 12 hours before deadline ? I hadn't claimed at that point, there was no way scum would kill me. Yuma and faust were the obvious ones, then Ampharos and WW were vaguely possible.

I'm not taking advantage of anything... I don't think you're scum because of a few inconsistencies, I think you're scum because your claim seems too Vanilla for this game, and I do get the feeling you're trying to be vague about stuff so that you can adjust your story as stuff comes up.

If you think you're an easy mislynch, let me tell you : you're not. I highly doubt you're getting lynched oday, but I'll try anyway.

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, holidays make it hard to post.

Still like egork

[Witherweaver]

I'm kind of set on Teproc.  A lot of it is feeling.

[Hydrad]

more holiday posts.

This is interesting though I'm really curious if the Teproc wagon will actually build up. I don't think I've ever seen people turn on a claimed cop like this.