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[MiX]

1 host and 9 humans, since we can rez the dead hosts.

PPE idk

[faust]

I'm here, just another busy weekend. Will spend some time today and tomorrow catching up.

But what I can say now:

Hosts are more important than humans. We can not win without a host. Humans can bring them back, of course, but let's take it to an extreme, which would you rather have:
1 Host and 9 Humans or 9 Hosts and 1 Human?

In the latter case it would be extremely difficult for a Host to successfully target a human with maintenance, so I'd prefer the first option.

[mail-mi]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

[MiX]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

Why?

[mail-mi]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

Why?

Hosts are more important than humans. If all humans died, we could still win. If all hosts died, I guess we could still win, though it would be more difficult; especially because hosts can only be resurrected in the morning.

[faust]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

[faust]

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

[scolapasta]

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

so which is it?

[MiX]

I think I will Vote: MiX, it doesn't seem like he has the town wincon.

PPE: 9

Why?

Hosts are more important than humans. If all humans died, we could still win. If all hosts died, I guess we could still win, though it would be more difficult; especially because hosts can only be resurrected in the morning.

What the hell does that have to do with my alignment?

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

I think scum's win condition is "town can't win", but hosts being dead early is temporary. A D1/N1/D2/N2 host exile is meaningless if they have maintenence.

[WestCoastDidds]

He also seems to be less Awaclus-y. Which is somewhat better than just being absent *cough, scola*, I think.

Vote: Awaclus

Don't you like the existing wagons?

Scola is my next up, but I am worried my view is skewed by his absence... and then ADK after that, although by a pretty big margin.  I'm not feeling MiX or you, and we have plenty of time so no pressure to consolidate yet, I figure.

[faust]

He also seems to be less Awaclus-y. Which is somewhat better than just being absent *cough, scola*, I think.

Vote: Awaclus

Don't you like the existing wagons?

Scola is my next up, but I am worried my view is skewed by his absence... and then ADK after that, although by a pretty big margin.  I'm not feeling MiX or you, and we have plenty of time so no pressure to consolidate yet, I figure.

Why is scola so much scummier than ADK?

[faust]

From subtext of this discussion it seems that MiX thinks it's 1 (as did I before I did more thinking), mail-mi thinks it's 2, Awaclus seems to at least have considered that it could be 3. Which is very interesting considering that scum knows which one it is.

so which is it?

You tell me!

[Awaclus]

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

No it's not? I've been wrong about everyone as town.

[LaLight]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

[LaLight]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

[LaLight]

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

No it's not? I've been wrong about everyone as town.

I confirm this statement

[MiX]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

3's really awkward because hosts can revive. So the game can end in a situation where town could win if the game hadn't, well, ended.

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

He's wrong about me, which is a scumtell for him.

No it's not? I've been wrong about everyone as town.

I confirm this statement

I confirm this confirm.

[WestCoastDidds]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

What is it that you’re finding scummy?

[WestCoastDidds]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

3's really awkward because hosts can revive. So the game can end in a situation where town could win if the game hadn't, well, ended.

This seems to beg the question that we were musing on earlier...how many hosts and humans are there. One or the other has to be a limited resource, right? Whichever is more precious should be of the greatest value to us.

[Swowl]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

potential 4 - there could be a larger than normal skum team but they also have to have a host alive?

The 50% of town control thing could be possible? That would create decent balance. It would probably read something like "when the day begins" tho, just cuz of revival potential.

[Swowl]

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

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[Swowl]

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

bump

quote fail  - previous post is @ ADK

[LaLight]

That was more for me than it was for y’all, so sorry if it’s mastering the obvious.

LaLi....do you think MiX is scum or was he just getting under your skin?

faust, what do you think about awaclus this game?

Scola....where you at, dude? Come hang out with us!

i REALLY think he's scum.

What is it that you’re finding scummy?

now that M128 is over, I am ready to say, that MiX is extremely alike to how he played in that game and there he was scum, so yeah. ingenious (imo) reactions, overconfidence. I don't know, he just plays the same

[Swowl]

I think a part of this discussion that has been ignored is that we don't know the scum wincon. If it is the standard "all townies must die", then humans are really much more important because so long as a human is still alive, we can bring back the Hosts. If it is "scum controls 50% of town", then it's more problematic as we might be endgamed when we could still bring back hosts. If it mirrors the town wincon and reads "all town hosts must be dead", then umm well the argument that Hosts are more important seems very reasonable.

I was thinking 3

3's really awkward because hosts can revive. So the game can end in a situation where town could win if the game hadn't, well, ended.

This seems to beg the question that we were musing on earlier...how many hosts and humans are there. One or the other has to be a limited resource, right? Whichever is more precious should be of the greatest value to us.

OK here is the thing about the value though..

there are 9 alive.
Some amount of those are hosts and some amount of those are humans.
Just gonna act under the assumption that there is at most 3 skum.
so either way 2 max of one and 1 of the other (assuming they all are not the same) that doesn't really matter

point is that all of this talk is of course leading to the potential of some sort of claim.
I think the host/human claim is bad.
We do not know what the skum win con is, and the town win con is public. So, as human vs host value is being weighted against what the unknown wincon potentially is... we should probably just kind of drive the conversation elsewhere. for now at least.

[A Drowned Kernel]

in your "traitor set up" - is LL the traitor or just mafia?

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Mafia