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M83: Duel Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins!)
« on: June 03, 2016, 08:54:49 am »



This is an invented open setup featuring alignment changes. It is described in Post 2.
Mod: silverspawn

Player List:
  • gkrieg13 – Survived
  • Joseph2302 – Lost Duel Day 4
  • Haddock – Survived
  • e – Survived
  • Egork – Survived
  • J Reggie - Lynched Day 3
  • faust – Lost Duel Day 2
  • teamlyle – Lynched Day 1
  • Seprix – Won Duel Day 4
  • iguanaiguana – Died Night 3
  • chairs – Died Night 1
  • Jimmmmm – Survived
  • ashersky – Won Duel Day 2

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Navigation:
Day 1 start
Day 2 start
Day 3 start
Day 4 start


The Rules of Mafia apply, in addition to the set of rules listed below. The only change to my last game are in the first two rules.
  • Game days will last 10/9/8/7/7... real days. Nights will last 1 real day.
  • The Mafia NK is compulsory. A town-player will be randomized if no choice was submitted.
  • There are personal QT's for all town players, quoting is prohibited. Exact ruling can be found here.
  • You may vote: nolynch. If a majority of these votes is reached, a no-lynch will occur.
  • Night Actions may be submitted and changed up until an hour before the next day starts.
  • Extreme inactivity or any violation of rules will be dealt with based on my judgment.
  • Mod posts will look like this. Similar formatting should be avoided by players.
  • Players may not quote anything from the game elsewhere while the game is still ongoing. "The game" here includes this thread plus all related QTs.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2016, 08:55:03 am »



Player Roles:
10 * One-Shot Ghoul
3 * Mafia Goon (with Daychat)


Win Cons:
Mafia wins if, at the start of any phase, the number of mafia players alive is greater or equal to the number of town players alive. Town wins if, at the start of any phase, all Mafia players are dead.


Duel Mechanic:
During every odd night, Mafia has to choose one player of their alignment plus one player from town. During the following day, only those to players can be voted for, and one of them has to be lynched. The two choices will be revealed by the mod at the start of the day. Plurality vote with RNG as tiebreaker applies if no majority is reached. No-lynch is not an option.

If the Mafia player is lynched, both players die, but the following night will be skipped. This is considered as Mafia compulsively killing the survivor and IC.

If the Town player is lynched, both players die, but a random town player converts to the Mafia Team. That player loses his Ghoul power when converted. This is considered as that town player taking the place of the dead Mafia player and an additional town death as punishment for the lost duel.


Specifics for the targeting process and Edge Cases:
The Duelling is compulsive. If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.

The choices for mafia duelists have to be the players that have been mafia the longest, same goes for the backups. Only if there are several players who were mafia from the start does mafia get to decide.

If town has 1-2 more remaining players than mafia and loses a duel, the game ends immediately in a win for all players who have been mafia at the start of that day. This is so because town has no chance to win at that point, so a conversion would merely give one town player an undeserved win.


The Ghoul-Power:
Ghoul is an action where you target player X, and if you were going to die that night (either through a NK or though another Ghoul), then X dies instead. Your power has no effect if it transitively leads back to you.

Example: A targets B; B targets C; C targets D; D targets B. A is the target of the NK. Because A targeted B, the NK gets redirected to B. But because B -> C -> D -> B is a cycle that leads back to B, the power from B has no effect. Therefore, B dies.


A note on Balance:
I did all sorts of calculating to balance out this game, and I think it's pretty good now. Scum does a lot better than my intuition suggested; I expected to have to find ways to buff scum, but instead I had to find ways to buff town. I ended up going with 1 more player (from 12 to 13) and adding the Ghouls.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2016, 09:01:50 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2016, 09:02:34 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2016, 09:10:02 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2016, 09:22:13 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 09:39:59 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2016, 10:29:51 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2016, 02:12:47 pm »

/tag

I'm not big on alignment changes, so I'll probably skip this one.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2016, 06:18:51 pm »

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This is a really cool set-up.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2016, 06:21:00 pm »

Thanks!

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2016, 06:42:30 pm »

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Will look at my time commitments to see whether playing this is faesible/
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2016, 07:00:41 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2016, 01:10:57 pm »

Alright. Now that Speed Dating is in Night 1 this is ready-- now we just needs lots more players signing up.

Maybe some of those who /tagged?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2016, 04:24:30 pm »

/tag

So let's see if I have this right

D1 is normal
N1 scum must NK somebody with ghoul shenanigans going on and choose a duel to happen
D2 There's a duel. If scum is lynched, the town dies. If town is lynched, scum dies, town subs for scum.
N2 only happens if town is lynched, and there's a compulsory NK with ghoul shenangans
Rinse, repeat

On balance: Every time I've tried to run numbers on a setup, it comes out scum-favored. And so my games are always made easier for town. And then everyone says my games are skewed towards town. So just a warning there...
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2016, 04:28:11 pm »

Something interesting is that both players in the duel are guarranteed to die. It's just a matter of whether a townie is converted or not.

Perhaps it would make sense to skip N2 no matter what? That way there are two people dying every cycle no matter what.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2016, 05:15:43 pm »

/tag
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So let's see if I have this right

D1 is normal
N1 scum must NK somebody with ghoul shenanigans going on and choose a duel to happen
D2 There's a duel. If scum is lynched, the town dies. If town is lynched, scum dies, town subs for scum.
N2 only happens if town is lynched, and there's a compulsory NK with ghoul shenangans
Rinse, repeat
That is right.

On balance: Every time I've tried to run numbers on a setup, it comes out scum-favored. And so my games are always made easier for town. And then everyone says my games are skewed towards town. So just a warning there...
Do you run them with random lynches? I ran them with above random lynches and they're still scum favored. Without Ghouls.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2016, 05:18:18 pm »

Something interesting is that both players in the duel are guarranteed to die. It's just a matter of whether a townie is converted or not.
That is right, too. I don't dislike that. You fought, you lost, then you rest (or you won).

Perhaps it would make sense to skip N2 no matter what? That way there are two people dying every cycle no matter what.
What why? That would screw the balance and I don't see the advantage.

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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2016, 10:19:03 pm »

Something interesting is that both players in the duel are guarranteed to die. It's just a matter of whether a townie is converted or not.
That is right, too. I don't dislike that. You fought, you lost, then you rest (or you won).

Perhaps it would make sense to skip N2 no matter what? That way there are two people dying every cycle no matter what.
What why? That would screw the balance and I don't see the advantage.
I guess it just feels more elegant. But if you think it's balanced, sure then.

I do think this setup is really neat and may join eventually.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2016, 03:11:33 am »

What's scum win con?

If scum win the duel and night is skipped, do you then have a normal day for D2, normal night for N2, normal D3, normal N3, duel D4?

Seems like not a lot of duels if scum does well.  That's a LYLO duel on D4.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2016, 06:43:55 am »

What's scum win con?
Ah, thanks. It'll be controlling 50% of the player base, to avoid 1/1 shenanigans where town still has the Ghoul power. I'll add it to the setup.

If scum win the duel and night is skipped, do you then have a normal day for D2, normal night for N2, normal D3, normal N3, duel D4?

Seems like not a lot of duels if scum does well.  That's a LYLO duel on D4.
Yeah. About half the ways it can play out only have two duels.

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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2016, 11:02:36 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 08:11:19 am »

I'm not going to join this, sorry silver.

Too many games atm, and mine isn't far off opening, so I need time for that too.
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 08:11:26 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2016, 11:22:00 am »

Ok, when I glanced at this before I missed two important things. First, I didn't see that the ghouls were one-shot, and second, I didn't see that the duels were only every other day. I'll /in. This is a lot less crazy than I thought.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2016, 04:10:16 pm »

Whatevs. /in

I need another game in which I can die N1.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2016, 04:22:12 pm »

Whatevs. /in

I need another game in which I can die N1.
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The alignment changes aren't so bad. All you gotta do is win every duel then there is none. Provided you're town.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2016, 04:31:49 pm »

If a townie converts to the mafia team, do they keep their Ghoul power?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2016, 07:16:47 pm »

If a townie converts to the mafia team, do they keep their Ghoul power?

I had not thought about that.

So... I guess it's up for debate. I'll think on it before I decide.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2016, 03:42:06 am »

If a townie converts to the mafia team, do they keep their Ghoul power?

I had not thought about that.

So... I guess it's up for debate. I'll think on it before I decide.

I'd support them losing the power. Otherwise people might not use it on purpose in case they switch sides.
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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2016, 12:51:38 pm »

May I join? Thanks!
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2016, 01:42:02 pm »

I'd support them losing the power. Otherwise people might not use it on purpose in case they switch sides.

I did it like this. The reason you gave here is something I want to avoid, and it also just seems kinda awkward.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2016, 01:42:23 pm »

If a townie converts to the mafia team, do they keep their Ghoul power?

I had not thought about that.

So... I guess it's up for debate. I'll think on it before I decide.

I'd support them losing the power. Otherwise people might not use it on purpose in case they switch sides.

I second this. 

Also, how fast do you think a game would fill up if DXV /inned?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (6 spots left)
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2016, 01:48:21 pm »

random question is random. I think it depends on how many people are online at the time, but my guess is 4 hours.

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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2016, 04:31:52 pm »

Most people wouldn't even know, they ignore the Mafia thread section.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (5 spots left)
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2016, 04:49:10 pm »

soooooo -- IG, what about you? Since you're not in any game right now.

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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2016, 12:15:06 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (4 spots left)
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2016, 01:27:07 pm »

/in to play with Teamlyle.

You can expect me to devote about as much energy to this as I am currently devoting to my other game(s)
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2016, 02:27:38 pm »

awesome! now we're getting somewhere.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (!3 spots left!)
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2016, 02:36:28 pm »

!3 spots left? Stop it, you'll confuse Awaclus.
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ah, fair point. better?

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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2016, 04:02:40 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2016, 01:02:44 pm »

Going to need to /out until after vacation. If the game still isn't full I can join back, but can't start during vacation
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« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2016, 01:06:06 pm »

I might join in, uh, 6 weeks. I hope you can start before then!
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« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2016, 03:15:50 pm »

A  E  S  T  H  E  T  I  C

not  wide  enough
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« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2016, 03:18:54 pm »

A  E  S  T  H  E  T  I  C

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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2016, 07:35:14 pm »

/out

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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2016, 07:40:02 pm »

/out

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« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2016, 05:45:17 am »

Gahhhhhhh fine.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (4 spots left :|)
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2016, 12:31:00 pm »

/in

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (3 spots left !)
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2016, 02:19:14 pm »

Wait, guys, do you think scum can pull off a quick triple hammer here?

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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2016, 02:38:54 pm »

Wait, guys, do you think scum can pull off a quick triple hammer here?

That can't possibly happen because there are only three scum in this game and one of them is the mod.
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« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2016, 03:53:56 pm »

Wait, guys, do you think scum can pull off a quick triple hammer here?

That can't possibly happen because there are only three scum in this game and one of them is the mod.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (3 spots left !)
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2016, 10:22:09 am »

/out
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« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2016, 05:57:41 pm »

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« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2016, 08:24:32 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (4 spots left :()
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2016, 08:26:11 pm »

Wow how do so many people not know how to spell /in?
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« Reply #58 on: July 07, 2016, 10:50:24 pm »

sadly it is about 7000000000

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (4 spots left :()
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2016, 08:29:20 am »

Ok, still have one day of travel left, but shouldn't be an issue to re-/in here
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (3 spots left - time to JOIN)
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2016, 10:58:45 am »

ah, great. This would be an excellent time for the remaining three to also join.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (3 spots left - time to JOIN)
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2016, 07:21:31 pm »

I am SO bad at Mafia.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (3 spots left - time to JOIN)
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2016, 08:48:44 pm »

I am SO bad at Mafia.

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Please forgive me if I have trouble again. I'll do my best.  :-\

Just be on the opposite faction from me and we'll be fine.  ;)

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« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2016, 08:52:42 pm »

I am SO bad at Mafia.

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Please forgive me if I have trouble again. I'll do my best.  :-\

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (2 spots left! Join! Join! Join!)
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2016, 08:53:38 pm »

With my luck, SS will end up being scum in this game too, even though he's the moderator.  :'(
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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2016, 08:55:55 pm »

Thread locked!

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (2 spots left! Join! Join! Join!)
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2016, 08:56:27 pm »

Uh oh...
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« Reply #67 on: July 11, 2016, 08:56:59 pm »

JReggie has been lynched. He was not yet in the game.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (2 spots left! Join! Join! Join!)
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2016, 08:58:48 pm »

See I like silverspawn as a mod. This way we know he's scum ahead of time
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« Reply #69 on: July 11, 2016, 08:58:57 pm »

Uh oh...

you violated the thread lock! :'(

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (2 spots left! Join! Join! Join!)
« Reply #70 on: July 11, 2016, 08:59:56 pm »

Wait, does this mean I have to re-/in?

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« Reply #71 on: July 11, 2016, 09:01:26 pm »

No, that would be silly. Lynching has never removed anyone from the signup list.

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« Reply #72 on: July 11, 2016, 09:02:38 pm »

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« Reply #73 on: July 11, 2016, 09:03:47 pm »

Uh oh...

you violated the thread lock! :'(
That's why I said 'uh oh'

That is an A <-> B relationship. If you don't say 'uh oh' you don't need it; and if you do then you do. You can't go wrong.

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« Reply #74 on: July 11, 2016, 09:04:48 pm »

Of course I could still give you a penalty, such as not being allowed to post more than 500 times per minute. What do you think?

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« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2016, 09:05:31 pm »

Uh oh...

you violated the thread lock! :'(
That's why I said 'uh oh'

That is an A <-> B relationship. If you don't say 'uh oh' you don't need it; and if you do then you do. You can't go wrong.
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« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2016, 09:06:02 pm »

Of course I could still give you a penalty, such as not being allowed to post more than 500 times per minute. What do you think?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (2 spots left! Join! Join! Join!)
« Reply #77 on: July 15, 2016, 09:55:53 pm »

Do people just not enjoy mafia anymore? What about Teproc? Ichi? Iguana?

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« Reply #78 on: July 15, 2016, 09:57:07 pm »

I'll join, Silverspawn!

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« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2016, 11:02:13 am »

one game at a time rule seems good for my mental health
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« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2016, 11:03:02 am »

oh all right

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2016, 12:48:56 pm »

great! I'll put this here



maybe someone will need it.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2016, 01:13:45 pm »

/out

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2016, 01:16:13 pm »

great! I'll put this here



maybe someone will need it.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2016, 01:27:17 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2016, 01:36:30 pm »

:(
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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2016, 01:37:14 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2016, 02:27:22 pm »

whelp. Yes, still one spot then.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #88 on: July 17, 2016, 10:22:56 am »

whelp. Yes, still one spot then.

Well, I guess RR will re-in when his VLA ends on Friday.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #89 on: July 17, 2016, 11:48:28 am »

whelp. Yes, still one spot then.

Well, I guess RR will re-in when his VLA ends on Friday.
Someone will join long before then I'm sure
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #90 on: July 17, 2016, 12:15:18 pm »

Empirically unlikely.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia ( ---- 1 spot left ---- )
« Reply #91 on: July 18, 2016, 11:25:13 am »

/in
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« Reply #92 on: July 18, 2016, 11:36:38 am »

/in

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« Reply #93 on: July 18, 2016, 11:51:44 am »

Yay!  I get to play with ash again!
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« Reply #94 on: July 18, 2016, 11:56:25 am »

Yay!  I get to play with ash again!

Gotta Ketchum all.
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« Reply #95 on: July 18, 2016, 11:58:24 am »

Thread is now locked! PM for a link to the speccy.

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« Reply #96 on: July 18, 2016, 12:13:34 pm »

All PMs are out. If everyone confirms until then, Day 1 will start tomorrow at 6 PM Forum Time.

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« Reply #97 on: July 18, 2016, 09:40:55 pm »

Everyone has confirmed. Game will start timely. Thread still locked.

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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2016, 05:57:54 pm »

If you have read the Series of Unfortunate Events, and I sincerely hope that you have not, then you are already familiar with the tale of the Baudelaire orphans, and with all the struggles they had to go through. Struggles that have been distressing and unnerving, upsetting and tiresome, taxing and tedious, exhausting and distraught, and horribly, horribly unfortunate. They include such scary and unpleasant things as a man with hooks instead of hands, a deadly mushroom, an island oppressed by lies and mind-oppressing substances, countless horrible fires, and... Count Olaf.

This Count Olaf is a horrible person who has been after the Baudelaire children since the very first fire that has devoured their parents' home and lives. One fiendish scheme after the next has he concocted to get his dirty hands on the enormous fortunate which the Baudelaire's parents have left them behind, and time and time again they have fought back, always managing to stay alive, and to put a dent through his plans in the process.

But even the most devilish of schemes Olaf could have thought of would pale in comparison to the tragedies that I could tell you about now-- or, if that is not actually true, then such would be an oddity, considering that the Series is a supposed children's book. Tragedies that involve an underground organization far more malicious than V.F.D, that include murder, deception, duels, and even collective lynches! Tragedies so horrible that I see no reason at all to tell you about them.

And thus, indeed, I will not. What, did you think this game would include flavor just because of the opening post? I can do whatever I want. Although, of course, all those players who won't actually read this and only remember that something was written will probably except flavor now and be surprised if it is not there. Oh well. Maybe I will drop random one-liners above vote counts or something. You know, I really wanted to write flavor about this series, because it's pretty great; I had it planed, even. I just don't think it'd work. It's not really suited for it, even though there are plenty of characters to use. Well, anyways. Have fun playing!

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« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2016, 05:58:11 pm »

Day 1 start!

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (13): gkrieg13, Joseph2302, Haddock, Egork, J Reggie, e, faust, teamlyle, Seprix, iguanaiguana, chairs, Jimmmmm, ashersky

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at July 29, 18:00 Forum Time.
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« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2016, 05:59:33 pm »

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« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2016, 06:00:06 pm »

vote: WW.  He is definitely scum in this one

vote: ash.  I mean come on.
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« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2016, 06:04:30 pm »

Technically this thread opened 2 minutes early, /second, but /firstlegitone.
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« Reply #103 on: July 19, 2016, 06:04:46 pm »

Also, I'm scum again.
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« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2016, 06:06:54 pm »

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.
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« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2016, 06:07:29 pm »

Also, I'm scum again.

Okay then? Vote: Joseph

This was easy.
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« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2016, 06:08:08 pm »

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
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« Reply #107 on: July 19, 2016, 06:12:49 pm »

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« Reply #108 on: July 19, 2016, 06:14:19 pm »

boat: Joseph

Also

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« Reply #109 on: July 19, 2016, 06:21:08 pm »

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

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« Reply #110 on: July 19, 2016, 06:27:48 pm »

vote: Seprix

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« Reply #111 on: July 19, 2016, 06:28:52 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

Seprix (1): gkrieg13
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (3): faust, Seprix, chairs

Not Voting (8): Haddock, e, ashersky, J Reggie, teamlyle, iguanaiguana, Egork, Jimmmmm

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« Reply #112 on: July 19, 2016, 06:36:11 pm »

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.

This is exactly the kind of lie that scum would peddle early Day 1.

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« Reply #113 on: July 19, 2016, 06:48:28 pm »

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

Vote: faust

Well, that was a fast game.  hah!

Actually, though, I was all prepared to come here and be silly on D1, but I think there's already something to analyze.  Last time Joseph claimed scum he was town.  Do people think that means he'd be more likely to do it again as scum?

Also, vote: joseph.

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« Reply #114 on: July 19, 2016, 06:50:49 pm »

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.

There is, in fact, a huge plan to be had.  And I have it.

Also, as is amazingly awesome, DAMA.
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« Reply #115 on: July 19, 2016, 06:52:21 pm »

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?
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« Reply #116 on: July 19, 2016, 06:52:53 pm »

Also, vote: gkrieg13p because he is scumy skcum.
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« Reply #117 on: July 19, 2016, 06:53:46 pm »

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

Vote: faust

Well, that was a fast game.  hah!

Actually, though, I was all prepared to come here and be silly on D1, but I think there's already something to analyze.  Last time Joseph claimed scum he was town.  Do people think that means he'd be more likely to do it again as scum?

Also, vote: joseph.

I think it's null and I think you're scummy for taking it seriously; in fact this whole post is scummy.

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« Reply #118 on: July 19, 2016, 06:54:26 pm »

Also, vote: gkrieg13p because he is scumy skcum.

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« Reply #119 on: July 19, 2016, 06:54:47 pm »

Butr relaly, to be striaght up honest.

Town has 2 thing: ghoul and duels.

All towny should redirect to their secret scummiest read.  Scum can't know who that is, in case you super suck at reading and choose town and they just shoot you to kill town, or in case you are aesome like me and choose scum and they don't shoot you.

Scum is super scared that awe will ghoul to them.  That's bad news bears.  So NO READS LISTS.

Unless they are fake reads lists.  And then you should say "this is a fake reads list...or IS IT???" so they don't know.

That would be amazing.
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« Reply #120 on: July 19, 2016, 06:55:34 pm »

Also, vote: gkrieg13p because he is scumy skcum.

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« Reply #121 on: July 19, 2016, 06:56:15 pm »

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

Vote: faust

Well, that was a fast game.  hah!

Actually, though, I was all prepared to come here and be silly on D1, but I think there's already something to analyze.  Last time Joseph claimed scum he was town.  Do people think that means he'd be more likely to do it again as scum?

Also, vote: joseph.

I think it's null and I think you're scummy for taking it seriously; in fact this whole post is scummy.

Vote: J Reggie

Jimmmmmmmmmmmmm sapkeas the truth.  That's a SCUKMMMMY post frm JREdgge..  town on JIm.
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« Reply #122 on: July 19, 2016, 06:56:30 pm »

What if we just have everyone ghoul to the next person on the list? It should guarantee a mafia death.

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« Reply #123 on: July 19, 2016, 06:57:58 pm »

What if we just have everyone ghoul to the next person on the list? It should guarantee a mafia death.

Good idea.  Let me check it.
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« Reply #124 on: July 19, 2016, 06:59:11 pm »

What if we just have everyone ghoul to the next person on the list? It should guarantee a mafia death.

Good idea.  Let me check it.

I'm fairly certain this is 100% correct.  Scum can't ghoul, so as long as town ghouls along the player list, the ghoul chain should stop with the first scum it hits.
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« Reply #125 on: July 19, 2016, 06:59:41 pm »

Someone should check it to be sure.  But I think that's right.

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?
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« Reply #126 on: July 19, 2016, 07:00:03 pm »

gah, there's already serious discussion and we're not even an hour in! I know ash likes to solve setups, and I think that advice is good advice.  Ash, what do you propose instead of reads lists. 

Also, jimmmmm thinks I'm scummy. 

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« Reply #127 on: July 19, 2016, 07:01:05 pm »

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.
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« Reply #128 on: July 19, 2016, 07:02:07 pm »

gah, there's already serious discussion and we're not even an hour in! I know ash likes to solve setups, and I think that advice is good advice.  Ash, what do you propose instead of reads lists. 

Also, jimmmmm thinks I'm scummy. 

PPE: 8 no joke

I propose nothing in place of reads lists.  Just vote.  If scum wants to work hard to create reads lists for each town player base don our voting patterns and posts, good on them.

Just no popsquizes or readslists.  Trust me on this.

Also, someone chekc the math on the chairs plan.  I think it works.  Ghoul the next in line, NK just gets passed down the list until it hits scum who can't Ghoul.  Or scum doesn't NK, but they cna't NK buecause I think it is compuslory.  So we win.

If that's truly true, setup is broken.
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« Reply #129 on: July 19, 2016, 07:02:40 pm »

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.
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« Reply #130 on: July 19, 2016, 07:02:58 pm »

Also, super town on Jimmmmmm.
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« Reply #131 on: July 19, 2016, 07:03:58 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.
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« Reply #132 on: July 19, 2016, 07:04:21 pm »

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

That's idiotic. Good luck playing Russian roulette.
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« Reply #133 on: July 19, 2016, 07:06:17 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?
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« Reply #134 on: July 19, 2016, 07:06:30 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #135 on: July 19, 2016, 07:06:34 pm »

What if we just have everyone ghoul to the next person on the list? It should guarantee a mafia death.

This is probably a good plan if I'm understanding right. Either Tonight or later in the game when we're in desperate need for a scum death, we pull the trigger on this.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: July 19, 2016, 07:06:48 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: July 19, 2016, 07:07:05 pm »

Yeah, my QT doesn't say anythign about 1-shot either.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: July 19, 2016, 07:07:48 pm »

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

That's idiotic. Good luck playing Russian roulette.

Which part?  My part or Jimmmm's part?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: July 19, 2016, 07:08:16 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: July 19, 2016, 07:09:25 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Still, it guarantees a mafia death N1.  That's really good.  We could win the game D2 if we lynch correctly (which should be easier with the duel).

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: July 19, 2016, 07:10:00 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

what?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: July 19, 2016, 07:10:27 pm »

Still, it guarantees a mafia death N1.  That's really good.  We could win the game D2 if we lynch correctly (which should be easier with the duel).

My understanding, confirmed by the mod, is that the fastest town win is correct lynch D1, Ghoul kill N1, correct lynch D2.

So J Reggie is correct here.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2016, 07:10:54 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #144 on: July 19, 2016, 07:11:21 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

what?

Jimmmm is voting me on a PM discrepancy.  I'll vote on that any day of the week.  If I'm town, I shouldn't have made that mistake.  If Jimmmmm's scum, he's caught.  That's an easy trade off.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: July 19, 2016, 07:11:27 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Relax, that was a joke vote.

I hate situations like this.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #146 on: July 19, 2016, 07:11:46 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Did you read the QT or not?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: July 19, 2016, 07:12:52 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: July 19, 2016, 07:13:29 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Did you read the QT or not?

I read it multiple times.  Mine does not mention 1-shot anywhere.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: July 19, 2016, 07:14:26 pm »

Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.

I claimed no such thing.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: July 19, 2016, 07:14:42 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Relax, that was a joke vote.

I hate situations like this.

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I seriously believed it was a real vote.  No joke.  I had no idea it was a joke.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: July 19, 2016, 07:15:23 pm »

Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.

I claimed no such thing.

You voted me based on the fact that I assumed it wasn't 1-shot, so I assumed you were sure it wasn't.

My QT says nothing about shots, just that I can use the Ghoul power.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: July 19, 2016, 07:15:57 pm »

Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.

I claimed no such thing.

You voted me based on the fact that I assumed it wasn't 1-shot, so I assumed you were sure it wasn't.

My QT says nothing about shots, just that I can use the Ghoul power.

I mean, now you say it was a joke, so I don't know.  I'm not voting for you, so don't argue against me too hard.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: July 19, 2016, 07:16:34 pm »

This is my first time as town in an open setup, so I'm really enjoying all this setup-solvy stuff.  I'm glad town didn't do that in Fruit Ninja.

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« Reply #154 on: July 19, 2016, 07:18:37 pm »

There's a setup post here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg606116#msg606116

It says there are 10* 1-shot ghouls, where asterisks generally mean there is a caveat (footnote) but I can't find any footnotes.

My PM and QT both do NOT mention shots, so I should have the ability every night.  Whether there are 1-shot ghouls out there or not I cannot confirm.  I don't think someone claiming 1-shot ghoul means they are scum and I would not vote for them specifically for that.

I would also caution against voting a ghoul without the shot limitation for the same reason, but Jimmmm did, until he said it was a joke.

I don't know.  At this point, it seems possible that some Ghouls are 1-shot and some aren't.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: July 19, 2016, 07:19:21 pm »

This is my first time as town in an open setup, so I'm really enjoying all this setup-solvy stuff.  I'm glad town didn't do that in Fruit Ninja.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: July 19, 2016, 07:20:56 pm »

This is my first time as town in an open setup, so I'm really enjoying all this setup-solvy stuff.  I'm glad town didn't do that in Fruit Ninja.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: July 19, 2016, 07:21:56 pm »

I thought about this setup a bit, since I signed up for my first game in months.

I think the absolute key is keeping the mafia NK as useless as possible.  No kills are awesome, for example.  The duels can help, because they are easy to read/WIFOM, for example.  We need to keep mislynches on even days to a minimum and redirect scum kills to scum.  So long as we do that, easy win.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: July 19, 2016, 07:22:46 pm »

This is my first time as town in an open setup, so I'm really enjoying all this setup-solvy stuff.  I'm glad town didn't do that in Fruit Ninja.

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Were you scum in Fruit Ninja?

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Good to know.  Generally townier to bring that up.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: July 19, 2016, 07:23:32 pm »

It's late here, out for the night.  Catch you all tomorrow.
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« Reply #160 on: July 19, 2016, 07:25:22 pm »

I seriously believed it was a real vote.  No joke.  I had no idea it was a joke.

I believe you. I did literally say 'lol' in the same line as the vote though. My thought process was, with the mindset of early Day 1 jump-on-anything votes 'Ha that's because you have a scum PM' with no regard to whether you were actually right or not. I then went and checked the PM and the QT.

I also unfortunately believe you're probably Town because of this. I mean it's possible that ss published the Town PMs in the scum QT, but I don't know.

Also if I'm scum and a Townie says something about the Town PM (QT whatever), I'm not going to dispute that am I?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: July 19, 2016, 07:30:26 pm »

It says there are 10* 1-shot ghouls, where asterisks generally mean there is a caveat (footnote) but I can't find any footnotes.

I think the asterisk means "10×", as in there are ten of them.  It's an open setup, so there shouldn't be anything that's not in the setup post. 

It's early for a read, but I'd say ash is probably town.  No idea who is scum, probably not jimmmmm either. 

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« Reply #162 on: July 19, 2016, 07:39:18 pm »

vote: Jimmmm

For some reason his posts after the lol vote just don't quite feel right.
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« Reply #163 on: July 19, 2016, 07:47:19 pm »

There's a setup post here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg606116#msg606116

It says there are 10* 1-shot ghouls, where asterisks generally mean there is a caveat (footnote) but I can't find any footnotes.

My PM and QT both do NOT mention shots, so I should have the ability every night.  Whether there are 1-shot ghouls out there or not I cannot confirm.  I don't think someone claiming 1-shot ghoul means they are scum and I would not vote for them specifically for that.

I would also caution against voting a ghoul without the shot limitation for the same reason, but Jimmmm did, until he said it was a joke.

I don't know.  At this point, it seems possible that some Ghouls are 1-shot and some aren't.

The * is not a caveat, it's a multiplication symbol. All 10 Ghouls are 1-shot.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: July 19, 2016, 07:48:54 pm »

It says there are 10* 1-shot ghouls, where asterisks generally mean there is a caveat (footnote) but I can't find any footnotes.

I think the asterisk means "10×", as in there are ten of them.  It's an open setup, so there shouldn't be anything that's not in the setup post. 

It's early for a read, but I'd say ash is probably town.  No idea who is scum, probably not jimmmmm either. 

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: July 19, 2016, 07:50:40 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Mine doesn't mention the words "1-shot" either...

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: July 19, 2016, 07:51:43 pm »

Butr relaly, to be striaght up honest.

Town has 2 thing: ghoul and duels.

All towny should redirect to their secret scummiest read.  Scum can't know who that is, in case you super suck at reading and choose town and they just shoot you to kill town, or in case you are aesome like me and choose scum and they don't shoot you.

Scum is super scared that awe will ghoul to them.  That's bad news bears.  So NO READS LISTS.

Unless they are fake reads lists.  And then you should say "this is a fake reads list...or IS IT???" so they don't know.

That would be amazing.

THIS IS A FAKE READS LIST!!!!!!!!!!

Or is it???

Scum: Ashersky

When he plans the plans, he's always the scummy scumster.

Town: Everyone else

I think in this setup, Ashersky is a serial killer, and the rest of us are town. I read it in the setup. It's posted in the setup.

Vote: Ashersky

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« Reply #167 on: July 19, 2016, 07:57:57 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

ashersky (2): ashersky, iguanaiguana
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (4): faust, Seprix, chairs, J Reggie
Jimmmmm (2): gkrieg13, teamlyle

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« Reply #168 on: July 19, 2016, 07:58:46 pm »

Ok, now that I've read all the posts, I need to do another fake reads list

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Seprix
Ashersky
Someone

All three of them are super partnery.


Vote: Seprix

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« Reply #169 on: July 19, 2016, 07:59:24 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Mine doesn't mention the words "1-shot" either...

Vote: Jimmmmm

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« Reply #170 on: July 19, 2016, 08:01:10 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Mine doesn't mention the words "1-shot" either...

Vote: Jimmmmm

It's in the setup though.

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« Reply #172 on: July 19, 2016, 08:03:23 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Mine doesn't mention the words "1-shot" either...

Vote: Jimmmmm

It's in the setup though.

This counts as a derp clear to me.

Seriously though, my QT says nothing about me only being able to use the ability once (even though I know I can only use it once.) That's why I voted for Jimmmmm, he must've tried to make up what would be in a town QT.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2016, 08:15:33 pm »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Mine doesn't mention the words "1-shot" either...

Vote: Jimmmmm

It's in the setup though.

This counts as a derp clear to me.

Seriously though, my QT says nothing about me only being able to use the ability once (even though I know I can only use it once.) That's why I voted for Jimmmmm, he must've tried to make up what would be in a town QT.

It's obvious from what he said later that he's also town. Also, I was hoping to catch scum from having them counter claim the cutie thing.

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« Reply #174 on: July 19, 2016, 08:22:58 pm »


I think in this setup, Ashersky is a serial killer, and the rest of us are town. I read it in the setup. It's posted in the setup.

Vote: Ashersky

This will be easy.

...Except you're completely and absolutely wrong. And no, I'm not giving you a townpass because you didn't read the set-up like you claimed you did.
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« Reply #175 on: July 19, 2016, 08:43:51 pm »

Oh, Ash, how I have missed playing with you.  Those opening posts with weird spellings and errors were interesting, but then you settled into your plan.  Good stuff.  Self-vote and everything.

Anyway, sheeping Jimmmmm is a thing.  Pretty sure he is a cop.  (or is that just my nightmares from bygone games....)

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« Reply #176 on: July 19, 2016, 08:50:04 pm »

Anyway, sheeping Jimmmmm is a thing.  Pretty sure he is a cop.  (or is that just my nightmares from bygone games....)

I think you're thinking of that one game from a couple of years ago. Good times.

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« Reply #179 on: July 19, 2016, 09:02:18 pm »

There's a setup post here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg606116#msg606116

It says there are 10* 1-shot ghouls, where asterisks generally mean there is a caveat (footnote) but I can't find any footnotes.

My PM and QT both do NOT mention shots, so I should have the ability every night.  Whether there are 1-shot ghouls out there or not I cannot confirm.  I don't think someone claiming 1-shot ghoul means they are scum and I would not vote for them specifically for that.

I would also caution against voting a ghoul without the shot limitation for the same reason, but Jimmmm did, until he said it was a joke.

I don't know.  At this point, it seems possible that some Ghouls are 1-shot and some aren't.

I think the asterisk means "times" like there are 10 1-shot ghouls.  I would say everyone confirm in your qt
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« Reply #180 on: July 20, 2016, 01:08:33 am »

I feel like no one is around right now and the appropriate thing to do is to give a reads list.  I will refrain and see how Ashersky's plan plays out.  I seriously doubt that giving reads lists actually helps scum at all, but they could definitely help mafia decide who to duel, so in that sense yes.
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« Reply #181 on: July 20, 2016, 01:22:38 am »

unvote

Not liking the Lyle vote on Jimmmm.

Also, if anyone says they want to be chosen for the duel, it's probably scum playing the long con.

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« Reply #182 on: July 20, 2016, 01:25:04 am »

I think x is the preferred f.ds notation for multiplication.

I can concede that SS used the * for that.  Makes sense in context.

It is still one guaranteed scum NK if we do the plan.  It fails if anyone uses their power on a different night or outside the plan.  I think we should do it N1.
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« Reply #183 on: July 20, 2016, 01:25:48 am »

Also, I'm a mason.  My partner will confirm.
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« Reply #184 on: July 20, 2016, 04:53:36 am »

It is still one guaranteed scum NK if we do the plan.  It fails if anyone uses their power on a different night or outside the plan.  I think we should do it N1.

I would assume that scum can no-kill.
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« Reply #185 on: July 20, 2016, 04:55:54 am »

It is still one guaranteed scum NK if we do the plan.  It fails if anyone uses their power on a different night or outside the plan.  I think we should do it N1.

I would assume that scum can no-kill.

Except they cannot:

The Mafia NK is compulsory. A town-player will be randomized if no choice was submitted.

Well, then let's do it. Looks super-broken, but I guess them's the rules.
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« Reply #186 on: July 20, 2016, 05:02:35 am »

Town on ash and Jimmmmm. Need to look again for scum reads.
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« Reply #187 on: July 20, 2016, 05:07:17 am »

I may have to retract that townread on ash sadly... something just doesn't add up. He claims to have thought about this setup for a bit, yet he didn't know there are only 1-shot ghouls. If scum!ash had the town PM available, I could see him going for this kind of fake.

Meh.
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« Reply #188 on: July 20, 2016, 06:25:09 am »

I may have to retract that townread on ash sadly... something just doesn't add up. He claims to have thought about this setup for a bit, yet he didn't know there are only 1-shot ghouls. If scum!ash had the town PM available, I could see him going for this kind of fake.

Meh.

It is more that I didn't realize there were only 1-shot ghouls in the setup.  Like, my QT clearly does NOT specify that my power is 1-shot, and that's my go to for all role information.  Open setup or not, role pm/qt needs to specify.

Scum team will complain but the Ghoul plan is basically gold.  Chairs gets huge town points for pointing it out -- I don't see him doing that as scum in the way he did.

Everyone should post something acknowledging the plan.

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« Reply #189 on: July 20, 2016, 06:26:02 am »

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« Reply #190 on: July 20, 2016, 06:30:23 am »

I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.
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« Reply #192 on: July 20, 2016, 06:36:34 am »

vote: EgorK

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« Reply #193 on: July 20, 2016, 06:39:12 am »

vote: EgorK

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« Reply #194 on: July 20, 2016, 07:00:06 am »

Boo.
2 pages already? Why do games start in the middle of the night? :P

Jimm clearly comes out worse on the 1-shot thing, to my mind. Reading the setup is not a scumtell, I know, but it definitely seemed to me (at least at first) that Jimm was trying to look like he'd seen a town QT when in fact they don't mention 1-shotness.  Ash's overly careful reading of the setup afterwards is just ash being ash.

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« Reply #195 on: July 20, 2016, 07:08:31 am »

Jimm clearly comes out worse on the 1-shot thing, to my mind. Reading the setup is not a scumtell, I know, but it definitely seemed to me (at least at first) that Jimm was trying to look like he'd seen a town QT when in fact they don't mention 1-shotness.  Ash's overly careful reading of the setup afterwards is just ash being ash.

If Jimmmm is scum, and ash town, wouldn't Jimmmmm trust ash if he's saying that the town PM did not mention the 1-shotness?
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« Reply #196 on: July 20, 2016, 07:23:53 am »

Jimm clearly comes out worse on the 1-shot thing, to my mind. Reading the setup is not a scumtell, I know, but it definitely seemed to me (at least at first) that Jimm was trying to look like he'd seen a town QT when in fact they don't mention 1-shotness.  Ash's overly careful reading of the setup afterwards is just ash being ash.

If Jimmmm is scum, and ash town, wouldn't Jimmmmm trust ash if he's saying that the town PM did not mention the 1-shotness?
Right but Jimm made the mistake first right?
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« Reply #197 on: July 20, 2016, 07:29:18 am »

Right but Jimm made the mistake first right?

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« Reply #198 on: July 20, 2016, 07:41:27 am »

Jimm clearly comes out worse on the 1-shot thing, to my mind. Reading the setup is not a scumtell, I know, but it definitely seemed to me (at least at first) that Jimm was trying to look like he'd seen a town QT when in fact they don't mention 1-shotness.  Ash's overly careful reading of the setup afterwards is just ash being ash.

If Jimmmm is scum, and ash town, wouldn't Jimmmmm trust ash if he's saying that the town PM did not mention the 1-shotness?
Right but Jimm made the mistake first right?
In any case, I'm not saying either is scum necessarily.  They could easily both be town. But if I had to pick...

I think not.

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« Reply #199 on: July 20, 2016, 07:58:22 am »

Oh. Alright then. Forget I said anything.

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« Reply #200 on: July 20, 2016, 09:02:40 am »


I think in this setup, Ashersky is a serial killer, and the rest of us are town. I read it in the setup. It's posted in the setup.

Vote: Ashersky

This will be easy.

...Except you're completely and absolutely wrong. And no, I'm not giving you a townpass because you didn't read the set-up like you claimed you did.

You are quoting me out of context... a thing that only scum is likely to do.


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« Reply #201 on: July 20, 2016, 09:05:23 am »



I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.
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« Reply #202 on: July 20, 2016, 09:06:02 am »

Oh, Ash, how I have missed playing with you.  Those opening posts with weird spellings and errors were interesting, but then you settled into your plan.  Good stuff.  Self-vote and everything.

Anyway, sheeping Jimmmmm is a thing.  Pretty sure he is a cop.  (or is that just my nightmares from bygone games....)

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« Reply #203 on: July 20, 2016, 09:56:19 am »

If you guys insist :P

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« Reply #204 on: July 20, 2016, 10:19:23 am »



I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.

Only it's chairs plan. Though it is good and I'll follow on it

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« Reply #205 on: July 20, 2016, 10:41:26 am »



I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.

Only it's chairs plan. Though it is good and I'll follow on it

In other news I finally read all you posted while I was sleeping. Jimmm's answers seems off, but he confronting ash do not make much sense otherwise. Joseph repeating his behavior from earlier town game seems much more interesting and I do not see why he had not been given much scrutiny for doing this (there were votes, but I think their motivation had much more to do with behavior itself, not associated meta)

I'd Vote: Joseph for now

I voted Joseph for the reason you said, but then Jimmmmm voted me for doing that. Maybe Jimmmmm and Joseph are partners  ;)

I'll do the ghoul thing. Unless I die IRL or something.

Also, I've done a bit of thinking about who scum might want to choose for duels. I suggest other people do that but DON'T POST YOUR THOUGHTS UNTIL TOMORROW. We win this game by giving scum as little information as possible.

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« Reply #206 on: July 20, 2016, 11:00:29 am »

I think IRL means not what you think it means (or you are pretty pessimistic)
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« Reply #207 on: July 20, 2016, 11:13:46 am »

I think IRL means not what you think it means (or you are pretty pessimistic)

It means in real life. I guess it is kind of pessimistic.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: July 20, 2016, 11:20:15 am »

I agree with the chairs plan, as it looks like there isn't anything from the setup that would counter it.

I don't know why Jimmmm is getting off so easily.
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« Reply #209 on: July 20, 2016, 11:28:47 am »

I almost feel bad about the plan since it's one guaranteed mafia nk. It does limit us later in the game since we won't have any PR though, but I still think it's probably worth it.

If we can lynch properly today that puts us in a great spot.

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« Reply #210 on: July 20, 2016, 12:19:49 pm »

I almost feel bad about the plan since it's one guaranteed mafia nk. It does limit us later in the game since we won't have any PR though, but I still think it's probably worth it.

If we can lynch properly today that puts us in a great spot.

Don't feel bad -- it's no worse than your perfect vigging in that game with the Chinese warriors in it.

Also, our PR kind of sucks horribly, so using it to guarantee a mafia dies is pretty awesome.
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« Reply #211 on: July 20, 2016, 12:47:13 pm »

I don't know why Jimmmm is getting off so easily.

Getting off what?
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« Reply #212 on: July 20, 2016, 12:56:35 pm »

I don't know why Jimmmm is getting off so easily.

Getting off what?

The thing with ash.  He tried to play it off like it was a joke, but I think it was a scumslip.
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« Reply #213 on: July 20, 2016, 02:25:36 pm »

I don't know why Jimmmm is getting off so easily.

Getting off what?

The thing with ash.  He tried to play it off like it was a joke, but I think it was a scumslip.

How was it a scumslip? Walk me through that.
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« Reply #214 on: July 20, 2016, 03:23:57 pm »

It wasn't. It was gkrieg making something out of nothing.
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« Reply #215 on: July 20, 2016, 03:24:37 pm »

Rather, this is gkrieg making something out of nothing. If anything, town points to both ash and jimmmm for the exchange
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« Reply #216 on: July 20, 2016, 03:28:43 pm »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Vote: ash lol

That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Relax, that was a joke vote.

I hate situations like this.

NOTE TO ALL MODS: In open games, publish all Role PMs (Or at least Town ones).

I seriously believed it was a real vote.  No joke.  I had no idea it was a joke.

I believe you. I did literally say 'lol' in the same line as the vote though. My thought process was, with the mindset of early Day 1 jump-on-anything votes 'Ha that's because you have a scum PM' with no regard to whether you were actually right or not. I then went and checked the PM and the QT.

I also unfortunately believe you're probably Town because of this. I mean it's possible that ss published the Town PMs in the scum QT, but I don't know.

Also if I'm scum and a Townie says something about the Town PM (QT whatever), I'm not going to dispute that am I?

Happy to go back to Vote: J Reggie

So he had these three posts.  The first one isn't scummy, it is the explanations of what happened that are scummy.

His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught. 

His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

It's not that strong, but I think it is scummy.
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« Reply #217 on: July 20, 2016, 03:30:40 pm »

On first read teamlyle also felt pretty scummy, but reading back through, he just seems like newish town.
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« Reply #218 on: July 20, 2016, 03:32:22 pm »



I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.

Only it's chairs plan. Though it is good and I'll follow on it

In other news I finally read all you posted while I was sleeping. Jimmm's answers seems off, but he confronting ash do not make much sense otherwise. Joseph repeating his behavior from earlier town game seems much more interesting and I do not see why he had not been given much scrutiny for doing this (there were votes, but I think their motivation had much more to do with behavior itself, not associated meta)

I'd Vote: Joseph for now

I like this post by EgorK.  Seems very townie and genuine.
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« Reply #219 on: July 20, 2016, 03:33:14 pm »

iguana also seems townie.

e is slightly scummy.
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« Reply #220 on: July 20, 2016, 03:43:43 pm »



I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.

Only it's chairs plan. Though it is good and I'll follow on it

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I'd Vote: Joseph for now

I like this post by EgorK.  Seems very townie and genuine.
Agree, a sensible enough post to seem towny.
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« Reply #221 on: July 20, 2016, 03:45:55 pm »

Also, I'm a mason.  My partner will confirm.

There's no masons in the game! Quit bluffing.

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« Reply #222 on: July 20, 2016, 03:46:09 pm »

And just to clarify, this plan definitely 100% works, right?
So we'll definitely kill scum N1.
That seems really good for us.

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« Reply #223 on: July 20, 2016, 03:51:31 pm »

And just to clarify, this plan definitely 100% works, right?
So we'll definitely kill scum N1.
That seems really good for us.

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« Reply #224 on: July 20, 2016, 03:58:55 pm »

And just to clarify, this plan definitely 100% works, right?
So we'll definitely kill scum N1.
That seems really good for us.

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Yes.

Well, it only works 100% if all of town does it. We need to make sure no one forgets.

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« Reply #225 on: July 20, 2016, 04:07:50 pm »

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
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« Reply #226 on: July 20, 2016, 04:09:28 pm »

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.

They are compulsive. Also,  two scum in a row still ends up with a dead scum.

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« Reply #227 on: July 20, 2016, 04:10:03 pm »

To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.

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« Reply #228 on: July 20, 2016, 04:10:46 pm »

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
Scum is obliged to kill (see the setup)- if they don't nominate someone, then a random town player gets chosen.
If 2 or more scum are consecutive numbers then it doesn't matter, as one scum will definitely die.
This is 100% guaranteed.

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« Reply #229 on: July 20, 2016, 04:11:18 pm »

To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.
True, but it's 1 dead mafia.
That's pretty fricking good.
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« Reply #230 on: July 20, 2016, 04:12:16 pm »

To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.

Hmm. I guess I was wrong. Maybe it is okay. It just feels too easy.
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« Reply #231 on: July 20, 2016, 04:25:21 pm »

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.
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« Reply #232 on: July 20, 2016, 04:36:30 pm »

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.

No, we should go ahead and kill mafia as soon as possible. I want to get that D2 win!

Maybe you and Seprix are partners  :P

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« Reply #233 on: July 20, 2016, 05:00:33 pm »

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.
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« Reply #234 on: July 20, 2016, 05:01:09 pm »

Ashersky is also totally the person to do a bold gambit. Well, I call that gambit.

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« Reply #235 on: July 20, 2016, 05:01:48 pm »

*replace factions with PRs, because I am an idiot
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« Reply #236 on: July 20, 2016, 05:05:47 pm »

Ashersky is also totally the person to do a bold gambit. Well, I call that gambit.

vote: Ash

Yes, he would. But he would have been the first to mention it and it would have come out in his plan of he were scum.

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« Reply #237 on: July 20, 2016, 05:09:27 pm »

Also, ashersky wasn't supposed to claim masons until D2. We talked about that in our shared qt, but he ignored me.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #238 on: July 20, 2016, 05:16:43 pm »

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13859.msg530104#msg530104
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #239 on: July 20, 2016, 05:26:11 pm »

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13859.msg530104#msg530104

I love that game! Good job there BTW. So is the whole Mason thing just a joke in reference to that? That's what I initially thought.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #240 on: July 20, 2016, 05:35:54 pm »

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

It's an open game. There are no factions, PRs or anything else apart from what is mentioned in the OP. ash's claim was a joke and he's probTown.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #241 on: July 20, 2016, 05:41:03 pm »

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=13859.msg530104#msg530104

I love that game! Good job there BTW. So is the whole Mason thing just a joke in reference to that? That's what I initially thought.

Yes.  Basically, every game for awhile after that game gkrieg and I would claim masons day 1, no matter what the game/setup/etc.  It's a meta joke, too, because silverspawn modded that game and really thought terribly about us doing that play, and he was super angry that it worked and we won flawlessly, and he's modding this game.

What this says about Seprix...I don't know.  He was around back then, I think?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #242 on: July 20, 2016, 05:59:38 pm »


Thanks, this is much more helpful than "Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot".

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His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught.

I am nowhere near brave enough to do that as scum. As scum in Speed-Dating Mafia when faust deduced that there were no scum-scum partnerships, I was quite annoyed because it affected my winning chances, but there was no way I was going to say so in the game thread. In this case it's an integrity of the game thing.

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His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

Well yeah I write awkwardly sometimes. Sometimes you have to specify what you're talking about so that people can't pedantically correct you. The PM was simply a QT link with no mention of alignment. We don't really have an accepted term for Role Message in a QT.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #243 on: July 20, 2016, 06:14:39 pm »

What this says about Seprix...I don't know.  He was around back then, I think?

I was not. And if I was, I wouldn't have remembered. That was likely during the long time I was not on the site (for personal reasons). Well, it didn't sound like a joke at all, but that makes sense for sure.

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Yeah, never heard of that before. 3 meta 5 me I guess
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #244 on: July 20, 2016, 06:15:43 pm »


Thanks, this is much more helpful than "Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot".

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His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught.

I am nowhere near brave enough to do that as scum. As scum in Speed-Dating Mafia when faust deduced that there were no scum-scum partnerships, I was quite annoyed because it affected my winning chances, but there was no way I was going to say so in the game thread. In this case it's an integrity of the game thing.

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His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

Well yeah I write awkwardly sometimes. Sometimes you have to specify what you're talking about so that people can't pedantically correct you. The PM was simply a QT link with no mention of alignment. We don't really have an accepted term for Role Message in a QT.

This actually is a pretty townie defense.  I feel like you fall apart when you get pressure for something as scum.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #245 on: July 20, 2016, 06:16:16 pm »

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #246 on: July 20, 2016, 06:18:14 pm »

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.

I'm pretty sure the plan should work.  I couldn't find anything except for someone forgetting to make the action
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #247 on: July 20, 2016, 06:19:22 pm »

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.

I'm pretty sure the plan should work.  I couldn't find anything except for someone forgetting to make the action

I wasn't talking about that.  :P

Yeah, I guess we can take a guaranteed scum kill. It's free information.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #248 on: July 20, 2016, 06:20:36 pm »


Thanks, this is much more helpful than "Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot".

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His note to all mods sounds like he is mad that he got caught.

I am nowhere near brave enough to do that as scum. As scum in Speed-Dating Mafia when faust deduced that there were no scum-scum partnerships, I was quite annoyed because it affected my winning chances, but there was no way I was going to say so in the game thread. In this case it's an integrity of the game thing.

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His last post looks like he doesn't know if town got QTs or PMs.  He says both times PM then QT very awkwardly.  Especially the bold part. 

Well yeah I write awkwardly sometimes. Sometimes you have to specify what you're talking about so that people can't pedantically correct you. The PM was simply a QT link with no mention of alignment. We don't really have an accepted term for Role Message in a QT.

This actually is a pretty townie defense.  I feel like you fall apart when you get pressure for something as scum.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #249 on: July 20, 2016, 06:41:08 pm »

Windblown through the leaves...

Vote Count 1.3

Seprix (2): iguanaiguana, faust
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): chairs, Egork
teamlyle (1): J Reggie
iguanaiguana (1): e
Egork (1): ashersky

Not Voting (4): Haddock, teamlyle, Seprix, gkrieg13

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jul 29, 18:00 forum time. That is in 8 days and 23+ hours.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: July 20, 2016, 07:28:20 pm »

Ugh, I have no idea who is scum now. I think teamlyle is still the best bet.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: July 20, 2016, 07:53:38 pm »

Ugh, I have no idea who is scum now. I think teamlyle is still the best bet.

What's the case?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: July 20, 2016, 08:00:40 pm »

Ugh, I have no idea who is scum now. I think teamlyle is still the best bet.

What's the case?

The way he jumped on Jimmmmm and subsequently unvoted when he got pressure was scummy. But IDK man.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: July 20, 2016, 09:53:56 pm »

Ugh, I have no idea who is scum now. I think teamlyle is still the best bet.

What's the case?

The way he jumped on Jimmmmm and subsequently unvoted when he got pressure was scummy. But IDK man.

Dude I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum, I don't know what posts made him "clearly look like town." I just unvoted because I knew I'd be lynched otherwise.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: July 20, 2016, 10:00:20 pm »

Ugh, I have no idea who is scum now. I think teamlyle is still the best bet.

What's the case?

The way he jumped on Jimmmmm and subsequently unvoted when he got pressure was scummy. But IDK man.

Dude I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum, I don't know what posts made him "clearly look like town." I just unvoted because I knew I'd be lynched otherwise.

Now this is scummy from teamlyle
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: July 20, 2016, 10:34:23 pm »

I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum

Based on my actual posts or ash's assessments of them?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: July 20, 2016, 10:44:33 pm »

I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum

Based on my actual posts or ash's assessments of them?

No just based on the '1-shot' phrasing of the QT.
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« Reply #257 on: July 20, 2016, 10:44:57 pm »

I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum

Based on my actual posts or ash's assessments of them?

No just based on the '1-shot' phrasing of the QT.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: July 20, 2016, 10:53:36 pm »

I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum

Based on my actual posts or ash's assessments of them?

No just based on the '1-shot' phrasing of the QT.

Elaborate.

I don't see how it's unclear, you said that your QT said "1-shot." My QT did not. At least I'm pretty sure you said that.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: July 20, 2016, 10:57:24 pm »

I'm still pretty sure Jimmmmm is scum

Based on my actual posts or ash's assessments of them?

No just based on the '1-shot' phrasing of the QT.

Elaborate.

I don't see how it's unclear, you said that your QT said "1-shot." My QT did not. At least I'm pretty sure you said that.

I never ever said that.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: July 20, 2016, 11:00:42 pm »

Oh man you're right. Sorry I just got confused by this post

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That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Okay, there's no way I'm not getting lynched now. vote: teamlyle

Could you guys please tell me what I could've done better besides messing this up though? I'd appreciate it, thanks.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: July 20, 2016, 11:06:21 pm »

I feel like this was a productive conversation.

Could you guys please tell me what I could've done better besides messing this up though? I'd appreciate it, thanks.

No I reckon you were doomed from the start. You're scum right?
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« Reply #262 on: July 20, 2016, 11:07:31 pm »

Actually no but I'm getting lynched so :P
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« Reply #263 on: July 20, 2016, 11:08:16 pm »

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« Reply #264 on: July 20, 2016, 11:09:35 pm »

vote: teamlyle

Just don't vote for me in forum survivor okay :)
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« Reply #265 on: July 20, 2016, 11:12:27 pm »

Oh except for if I make FTC, then vote for me  :P
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« Reply #266 on: July 20, 2016, 11:13:40 pm »

Man there are 5 of you viewing the thread. Just lynch me already
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"Dude, I only had 4 cups of coffee this morning so I'm gonna crash." -Swi
"Okay, okay. My team name is: Team Lyle: the Advancing Armadillo." -Lyle
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« Reply #267 on: July 20, 2016, 11:17:19 pm »

A lot has happened since I last posted.
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« Reply #268 on: July 20, 2016, 11:18:41 pm »

Man there are 5 of you viewing the thread. Just lynch me already

If you're town, why are you pining to be lynched?
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« Reply #269 on: July 20, 2016, 11:19:16 pm »

In addition, before ANY LYNCHING HAPPENS, we need to set up that list thing.
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« Reply #270 on: July 20, 2016, 11:19:19 pm »

Man there are 5 of you viewing the thread. Just lynch me already

If you're town, why are you pining to be lynched?

I dunno. I just get judged for every one of my posts. I'm sick of this.
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« Reply #271 on: July 20, 2016, 11:20:09 pm »

Man there are 5 of you viewing the thread. Just lynch me already

If you're town, why are you pining to be lynched?

I dunno. I just get judged for every one of my posts. I'm sick of this.

Then don't play Mafia. It's what people do. We have to find scum. It's the objective of the game. Being a defeatist does not help town.
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« Reply #272 on: July 20, 2016, 11:21:18 pm »

PS: Just do the list thing in order of the signups, where Joseph targets Haddock, Haddock targets e, and so on, and ash targets Joseph. Skip over me.


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« Reply #273 on: July 20, 2016, 11:21:50 pm »

Wait oops ash targets gkrieg didn't see that
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« Reply #274 on: July 20, 2016, 11:23:40 pm »


Then don't play Mafia. It's what people do. We have to find scum. It's the objective of the game. Being a defeatist does not help town.

I just don't know your guys' cues and stuff for f.ds mafia, nor do I know what the heck I did to get myself in this position.
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« Reply #275 on: July 20, 2016, 11:32:02 pm »


Then don't play Mafia. It's what people do. We have to find scum. It's the objective of the game. Being a defeatist does not help town.

I just don't know your guys' cues and stuff for f.ds mafia, nor do I know what the heck I did to get myself in this position.

Sometimes you just need to pressure people to see how they will handle it. I would encourage you to give it another try and play again.

The reason you came under scrutiny is because you responded to pressure of questioning your vote by unvoting. It felt a little bit genuine so people questioned you about it.
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« Reply #276 on: July 20, 2016, 11:37:20 pm »

Dude, it's less than 1.5 days into Day 1. You have 2 non-self votes on you. The strongest case on you I can find is, "Ugh, I have no idea who is scum now. I think teamlyle is still the best bet... The way he jumped on Jimmmmm and subsequently unvoted when he got pressure was scummy. But IDK man."

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« Reply #277 on: July 21, 2016, 12:40:11 am »

I don't think teamlyle is scum.

I think Seprix, iguana, and J Reggie are scum. 

Or do I?

You know, can't really say since we aren't doing readslists this game.  I seriously have no clue what I am going to do.  Not doing readslists is fun and exciting and different.  But tough. 

I do always say: you can fake everything except for your votes.  Which is why people not voting is such a big deal (as well as people who overuse RVS-style voting).  We will know you are scum by your votes.  Well, maybe not perfectly true, but totally worth remembering.
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« Reply #278 on: July 21, 2016, 12:43:47 am »

You know, can't really say since we aren't doing readslists this game.  I seriously have no clue what I am going to do.  Not doing readslists is fun and exciting and different.  But tough.

We're co-ordinating the Ghoul powers, so the reason to not do reads lists is null and void anyway.
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« Reply #279 on: July 21, 2016, 12:45:53 am »

You know, can't really say since we aren't doing readslists this game.  I seriously have no clue what I am going to do.  Not doing readslists is fun and exciting and different.  But tough.

We're co-ordinating the Ghoul powers, so the reason to not do reads lists is null and void anyway.

There's still duels.  We don't want to tell scum who to challenge.

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« Reply #280 on: July 21, 2016, 12:47:54 am »

Well that's a point but I don't think it's good enough to not say who we think is likely scum.
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« Reply #281 on: July 21, 2016, 01:05:02 am »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway
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I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all
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« Reply #283 on: July 21, 2016, 03:40:41 am »

You know, can't really say since we aren't doing readslists this game.  I seriously have no clue what I am going to do.  Not doing readslists is fun and exciting and different.  But tough.

We're co-ordinating the Ghoul powers, so the reason to not do reads lists is null and void anyway.

This is right.

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« Reply #284 on: July 21, 2016, 06:12:37 am »

- Black Robes, Falling -

Vote Count 1.4

Seprix (2): iguanaiguana, faust
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): chairs, Egork
teamlyle (3): J Reggie, teamlyle, gkrieg13
iguanaiguana (1): e
Egork (1): ashersky

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« Reply #285 on: July 21, 2016, 06:26:43 am »

- The Need for Repetition -

Vote Count 1.5

Seprix (2): iguanaiguana, faust
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (2): chairs, Egork
teamlyle (3): J Reggie, teamlyle, gkrieg13
iguanaiguana (1): e
Egork (1): ashersky

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« Reply #286 on: July 21, 2016, 06:58:18 am »

vote: teamlyle[/b

Yeah wagons.  Boo 4th slot, which is scummy.
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« Reply #287 on: July 21, 2016, 06:58:42 am »

vote: teamlyle

Yeah wagons.  Boo 4th slot, which is scummy.
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« Reply #288 on: July 21, 2016, 07:01:14 am »

Gah.  I suck at D1 play even when I'm NOT VLA.

I don't want to vote for teamlyle, nor Seprix any more. 

vote: Joseph seems fine though.
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« Reply #289 on: July 21, 2016, 09:05:51 am »

At this point I don't really care who we lynch.

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« Reply #290 on: July 21, 2016, 09:34:35 am »

At this point I don't really care who we lynch.

Clearly an SK tell
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« Reply #291 on: July 21, 2016, 11:09:03 am »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.
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« Reply #292 on: July 21, 2016, 11:23:26 am »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Well... anyone said something about "Seprix hasn't done anything batshit crazy yet"? There you go.

Also Seprix is more likely town with this. I can vote: e instead.
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« Reply #293 on: July 21, 2016, 11:41:27 am »

This might be a game where I'd rather lynch someone saying a bunch of safe things, so as to not stand out.
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« Reply #294 on: July 21, 2016, 11:45:46 am »

This might be a game where I'd rather lynch someone saying a bunch of safe things, so as to not stand out.

Do you mean NK?  Because this looks like a line out of your mafia qt tonight when you are conversing with your buddies.
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« Reply #295 on: July 21, 2016, 11:49:06 am »

This might be a game where I'd rather lynch someone saying a bunch of safe things, so as to not stand out.

Do you mean NK?  Because this looks like a line out of your mafia qt tonight when you are conversing with your buddies.

You're not supposed to talk about the scum chat, buddy!  ::)
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« Reply #296 on: July 21, 2016, 12:01:36 pm »

I love you guys.

Can we lynch whoever I'm already voting for?

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« Reply #297 on: July 21, 2016, 12:07:08 pm »

PS: Just do the list thing in order of the signups, where Joseph targets Haddock, Haddock targets e, and so on, and ash targets Joseph. Skip over me.


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  • faust
  • teamlyle
  • Seprix
  • iguanaiguana
  • chairs
  • Jimmmmm
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« Reply #298 on: July 21, 2016, 12:36:57 pm »

He's also a ghoul and was just saying to skip him because we are going to lynch him.

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« Reply #299 on: July 21, 2016, 12:50:24 pm »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Well... anyone said something about "Seprix hasn't done anything batshit crazy yet"? There you go.

Also Seprix is more likely town with this. I can vote: e instead.
He'd done other crazy stuff between me saying that and just now: hence my earlier post saying I didn't want to vote him.  ;)  seriously, weird-shit!Seprix is town!Seprix. He's like RR in that sense, but a different kind of weird.

And yeah, gkrieg, lyle's comment was totally obvious and not remotely antitown. Your misunderstanding of it feels intentional. vote: gkrieg
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #300 on: July 21, 2016, 12:52:28 pm »

By "obvious" I mean "easy to understand". I don't get how you can possibly have not got what he meant.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #301 on: July 21, 2016, 12:57:33 pm »

And yeah, gkrieg, lyle's comment was totally obvious and not remotely antitown. Your misunderstanding of it feels intentional. vote: gkrieg

I guess I understand it now looking back over it.  When he was so down-trodden, it really did seem like he had just given up.

I'm not sure I understand how a misunderstanding of that post warrants a vote.  Like even if it was deliberate, how would that be scummy?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #302 on: July 21, 2016, 01:24:37 pm »

At this point I don't really care who we lynch.
Why not?
Lynch a scum player and the game is basically over.
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« Reply #303 on: July 21, 2016, 04:24:02 pm »

I am a mason with Ashersky and Gkrieg13.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #304 on: July 21, 2016, 04:36:50 pm »

Request prod of EgorK per the linked Rules of Mafia in the OP.  It's been more than 24 hours without a post.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #305 on: July 21, 2016, 04:41:11 pm »

Post count:

gkrieg13 - 21
Joseph2302 - 8
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e - 11
Egork - 2
J Reggie - 18
faust - 16
teamlyle - 15
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« Reply #306 on: July 21, 2016, 04:42:42 pm »

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
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faust is strangely absent.  He's usually the top in post numbers.  Iguana/Haddock/Joseph are in the sweet acti-lurking scum slots.

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« Reply #307 on: July 21, 2016, 04:45:23 pm »

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Jesus, it's like you're me!
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #308 on: July 21, 2016, 04:45:56 pm »

Duuuuuuuddddeee.
I'm vla. Announced it and everything. I write this on my phone from my hotel bed. I'm trying my best here.
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« Reply #309 on: July 21, 2016, 04:58:40 pm »

- Foreign and Domestic Policy -

Vote Count 1.6

Seprix (1): iguanaiguana
e (1): faust
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
gkrieg13 (1): Haddock
faust (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (3): chairs, Egork, ashersky
teamlyle (3): J Reggie, teamlyle, gkrieg13
iguanaiguana (1): e

Not Voting (1): Seprix

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at Jul 29, 18:00 forum time. That is in 8 days and 1+ hours.

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« Reply #310 on: July 21, 2016, 05:24:13 pm »

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
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faust is strangely absent.  He's usually the top in post numbers.  Iguana/Haddock/Joseph are in the sweet acti-lurking scum slots.

vote: joseph

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« Reply #311 on: July 21, 2016, 05:25:16 pm »

I am a mason with Ashersky and Gkrieg13.

What?

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« Reply #312 on: July 21, 2016, 05:28:26 pm »

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Jesus, it's like you're me!

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« Reply #313 on: July 21, 2016, 05:30:32 pm »

I don't know. This game is weird. Do people seriously believe that it's good to not give reads? Because that is bullshit.

I'm going to reread Jimmmmm. Because his post count stands out.
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« Reply #314 on: July 21, 2016, 05:33:29 pm »

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
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faust is strangely absent.  He's usually the top in post numbers.  Iguana/Haddock/Joseph are in the sweet acti-lurking scum slots.

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I'm always in the slightly lurky
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« Reply #315 on: July 21, 2016, 05:35:36 pm »

I don't know. This game is weird. Do people seriously believe that it's good to not give reads? Because that is bullshit.

But it makes the D2 dual harder for scum, which is good.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #316 on: July 21, 2016, 05:41:51 pm »

He does the following stuff.

- vote J Reggie.
- think me and ash are scum partners.
- vote J Reggie again. This time for realz.
- there is the 1-shot confusion.
- some confusion, then this post. gkrieg sees scumminess in this, and I see where he comes from.
- ask questions.
- explain obvious stuff the Seprix.
- have a discussion with teamlyle. Something about this reads like scumpartner talk, but then again there is daychat, so I'm probably just seeing things.

Well, I don't know, but I like this active Jimmmmm at least. So pretty null, but sympathy bonus.

This also had me read the teamlyle stuff more carefully. Ugh. Hur dur. It is weird. I don't get it. I didn't get it at the time and chose to ignore it. But there is something in there too valuable to ignore. My gut says scum.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #317 on: July 21, 2016, 05:42:24 pm »

I don't know. This game is weird. Do people seriously believe that it's good to not give reads? Because that is bullshit.

But it makes the D2 dual harder for scum, which is good.

Well it also makes D2 harder for us.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #318 on: July 21, 2016, 05:42:49 pm »

And honestly I don't see how it makes the duel harder.
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« Reply #319 on: July 21, 2016, 05:49:05 pm »

I also believe I voted e for some reason. Now what could that be?

He starts jokey. Well the usual. This is weird:
I seriously doubt that giving reads lists actually helps scum at all, but they could definitely help mafia decide who to duel, so in that sense yes.
It's a contradiction of course, and somehow the usage of scum/mafia seems off. Like scummy off.

He reads Jimmmmm and ash both as town after what happened. Well that's easy.

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« Reply #320 on: July 21, 2016, 06:12:41 pm »

Well, I have to agree with faust. We do need to discuss reads, otherwise it is crapshoot

Questioon to nod. Can mafia kill one of their own at night?
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« Reply #321 on: July 21, 2016, 06:12:54 pm »

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« Reply #322 on: July 21, 2016, 06:13:52 pm »

And honestly I don't see how it makes the duel harder.
If scum know who people find scummy, they're more likely to nominate them for the duel, and therefore we're more likely to lose that duel.

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« Reply #323 on: July 21, 2016, 06:16:27 pm »

Would you rather not discuss reads in 5 person 1 scum remaining game with no pr left alive? Because your argument will work there as well
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« Reply #324 on: July 21, 2016, 06:36:27 pm »

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
Scumponts for Jimmmmmm for earning townpoints.

faust is strangely absent.  He's usually the top in post numbers.  Iguana/Haddock/Joseph are in the sweet acti-lurking scum slots.

vote: joseph

I spend literally 10 minuts a day playing this game. There is no acti to my lurking. I also said I would lurk this game before it even started.
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« Reply #325 on: July 21, 2016, 06:41:23 pm »

Reads are interesting here because of someone is consensus town (like me) then scum are more likely to NK then. But a consensus scum individual (like seprix or iguana or j reggie) then it seems more likely that scum will duel that person.

But then wifom hits and we have a duel between "consensus town" and "consensus scum." Now what.

I mean, would scum really pick egork to duel if he was one of them? I mean, egork is the fallback lynch in every single game he is in. But everyone knows that.

Then we have town people switching sides, which is cool, but it is D1 all over again. (To some extent)

I am not sure where this past was supposed to go, but let it end here: it's all wifom and we shouldn't worry about it until we know what the duel is.
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« Reply #326 on: July 21, 2016, 06:46:43 pm »

Why does my expending very little effort on this game make me scummy?
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« Reply #327 on: July 21, 2016, 06:57:50 pm »

Why does my expending very little effort on this game make me scummy?

Who said that?  Wasn't me.  I thought your posts were scummy.
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« Reply #328 on: July 21, 2016, 07:17:52 pm »

Questioon to nod. Can mafia kill one of their own at night?

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« Reply #329 on: July 21, 2016, 08:03:46 pm »

Reads are interesting here because of someone is consensus town (like me) then scum are more likely to NK then. But a consensus scum individual (like seprix or iguana or j reggie) then it seems more likely that scum will duel that person.

But then wifom hits and we have a duel between "consensus town" and "consensus scum." Now what.

I mean, would scum really pick egork to duel if he was one of them? I mean, egork is the fallback lynch in every single game he is in. But everyone knows that.

Then we have town people switching sides, which is cool, but it is D1 all over again. (To some extent)

I am not sure where this past was supposed to go, but let it end here: it's all wifom and we shouldn't worry about it until we know what the duel is.

This is exactly what I told everyone to think about but not talk about. Let's not talk about this anymore until tomorrow.

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« Reply #330 on: July 21, 2016, 09:16:05 pm »

I'm actually surprised my post count is that high.
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« Reply #331 on: July 21, 2016, 09:50:45 pm »

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
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« Reply #332 on: July 21, 2016, 10:30:43 pm »

Why does my expending very little effort on this game make me scummy?

Who said that?  Wasn't me.  I thought your posts were scummy.

I'm a town. You are wrong.
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« Reply #333 on: July 21, 2016, 10:31:18 pm »

Please explain the scum motivation for anything I've done.
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« Reply #334 on: July 21, 2016, 11:29:05 pm »

Reads are interesting here because of someone is consensus town (like me) then scum are more likely to NK then. But a consensus scum individual (like seprix or iguana or j reggie) then it seems more likely that scum will duel that person.

But then wifom hits and we have a duel between "consensus town" and "consensus scum." Now what.

I mean, would scum really pick egork to duel if he was one of them? I mean, egork is the fallback lynch in every single game he is in. But everyone knows that.

Then we have town people switching sides, which is cool, but it is D1 all over again. (To some extent)

I am not sure where this past was supposed to go, but let it end here: it's all wifom and we shouldn't worry about it until we know what the duel is.

This is exactly what I told everyone to think about but not talk about. Let's not talk about this anymore until tomorrow.

Unbelievable. Why do people do this?
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« Reply #335 on: July 21, 2016, 11:48:39 pm »

Well, I have to agree with faust. We do need to discuss reads, otherwise it is crapshoot

Questioon to nod. Can mafia kill one of their own at night?

This is towny for EgorK. This is probably a question that scum would have asked in their cutie rather than in thread. Of course, EgorK could have done it on purpose, but I'm still leaving town on this.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #336 on: July 22, 2016, 01:59:32 am »

1.  I accuse three players of acti-lurking.
2.  I vote for one of those three.
3.  The two I did not vote for get defensive.

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« Reply #337 on: July 22, 2016, 02:36:35 am »

Well, I have to agree with faust. We do need to discuss reads, otherwise it is crapshoot

Questioon to nod. Can mafia kill one of their own at night?

This is towny for EgorK. This is probably a question that scum would have asked in their cutie rather than in thread. Of course, EgorK could have done it on purpose, but I'm still leaving town on this.
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« Reply #338 on: July 22, 2016, 02:40:32 am »

Questioon to nod. Can mafia kill one of their own at night?

yes

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #339 on: July 22, 2016, 04:23:42 am »

We almost do anyway, right?

I need to think about this, but unless there are two Mafia in a row on the list, the person immediately before the dead Mafia is an IC.  So someone do the math on the absolute probability of that happening.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #340 on: July 22, 2016, 04:36:48 am »

I need to think about this, but unless there are two Mafia in a row on the list, the person immediately before the dead Mafia is an IC.  So someone do the math on the absolute probability of that happening.

Well, that's true, but that statement is true in any game. Of course if there are no two mafia in a row, the person directly before (or after) a mafia player must be town.

However, the player before or after a mafia player has the exact same likelihood to be scum as any other player.
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« Reply #341 on: July 22, 2016, 04:46:03 am »

Actually would mafia be forbidden to kill themselves person right before killed mafia after N1 would be IC. Now, suppose we can flip a coin and get all he same result. This way we can force scum into either give us an IC or kill their own with a chance they are doing it "for free" for us. Some kind of football match that happens during first half of night phase could be such a coin, but alas this is too hard to coordinate I think
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« Reply #342 on: July 22, 2016, 05:35:26 am »

However, the player before or after a mafia player has the exact same likelihood to be scum as any other player.
Given that we know the alignment of the dead player, yes true, of course. Forget that then.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #343 on: July 22, 2016, 05:38:16 am »

Actually would mafia be forbidden to kill themselves person right before killed mafia after N1 would be IC. Now, suppose we can flip a coin and get all he same result. This way we can force scum into either give us an IC or kill their own with a chance they are doing it "for free" for us. Some kind of football match that happens during first half of night phase could be such a coin, but alas this is too hard to coordinate I think

It's an interesting thought, but we would need to make sure that the mafia doesn't know the result of the coin flip, and that seems impossible.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #344 on: July 22, 2016, 06:03:29 am »

1.  I accuse three players of acti-lurking.
2.  I vote for one of those three.
3.  The two I did not vote for get defensive.

Bonus scumpoints for those two!

You are giving scum points to a town player.
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« Reply #345 on: July 22, 2016, 06:04:52 am »

I want my tombstone to say,

He lived and died a town, who spent literally 10 minutes a day playing this game and only skimmed the thread for mentions of himself.
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« Reply #346 on: July 22, 2016, 07:18:35 am »

Actually would mafia be forbidden to kill themselves person right before killed mafia after N1 would be IC. Now, suppose we can flip a coin and get all he same result. This way we can force scum into either give us an IC or kill their own with a chance they are doing it "for free" for us. Some kind of football match that happens during first half of night phase could be such a coin, but alas this is too hard to coordinate I think

It's an interesting thought, but we would need to make sure that the mafia doesn't know the result of the coin flip, and that seems impossible.

Right, I missed this part. Well, I should never post my ideas right after I woke up

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« Reply #347 on: July 22, 2016, 09:26:44 am »

Ya I'm liking this from egork. Seems townie. Also slightly more active than normal from him. I still think we should go with teamlyle. Especially with his disappearance.
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« Reply #348 on: July 22, 2016, 10:22:15 am »

Ya I'm liking this from egork. Seems townie. Also slightly more active than normal from him. I still think we should go with teamlyle. Especially with his disappearance.


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« Reply #349 on: July 22, 2016, 10:31:15 am »

I have an idea how we can do a pseudo coin flip.

Essentially based on the exact content of town QTs.

Something like "if the 10th to last character of the town QT is in the first half of the alphabet we do it if not we don't. "

Two problems: it assumes all town QTs are identical. We could probably check that.

Also it feels a lot like cheating.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #350 on: July 22, 2016, 10:35:21 am »

To check that we can compare some other letter. Although this can be construed as quoting of mod message
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #351 on: July 22, 2016, 10:37:21 am »

Because otherwise we can just assign one index to each player and request on the pain of lynch to answer which letter is at that index. And that obviously not what mod would appreciate
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #352 on: July 22, 2016, 10:51:56 am »

This seems like a really bad idea, as someone could easily miscount. Also, it seems to be breaking the rules for cryptography and cutie quoting.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #353 on: July 22, 2016, 11:00:18 am »

The first issue doesn't bother me but the second does. 

When you put it as Egor does it couldn't be more clear that it would be cheating.

Let's not go with that then, let's just do the plan.  I think tonight is the best time to do it.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #354 on: July 22, 2016, 11:19:56 am »

I agree
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #355 on: July 22, 2016, 11:29:23 am »

Lynch wise, meh.

Lyle is still not my favourite lynch but there could be worse on d1 I guess. 

Still time.
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« Reply #356 on: July 22, 2016, 11:30:28 am »

Has anybody seen Iguana even posting? I'd be fine with lynching him. He's doing nothing but hopping on wagons.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #357 on: July 22, 2016, 12:18:49 pm »

Vote: seprix
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #358 on: July 22, 2016, 12:52:14 pm »

vote: seprix
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« Reply #359 on: July 22, 2016, 01:00:49 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #360 on: July 22, 2016, 02:54:37 pm »

Ya I don't like that plan at all.

Definitely think we should lynch teamlyle and then all use our ghoul on the next person in the player order.
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« Reply #361 on: July 22, 2016, 04:07:17 pm »

Ya I don't like that plan at all.

Definitely think we should lynch teamlyle and then all use our ghoul on the next person in the player order.
Seems good to me.
Guarantees a scum lynch after all.
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« Reply #362 on: July 22, 2016, 04:28:13 pm »

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« Reply #363 on: July 22, 2016, 04:35:37 pm »

vote: teamlyle

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #364 on: July 22, 2016, 04:42:17 pm »

Has 24 hours passed? If yes, I request prod on lyle
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« Reply #365 on: July 22, 2016, 04:50:06 pm »

Has 24 hours passed?
Yes, his last post was on 21/7 at 04:23 UTC + 1- so 41 and a bit hours ago.
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« Reply #366 on: July 22, 2016, 04:51:04 pm »

vote: teamlyle

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« Reply #367 on: July 22, 2016, 04:51:12 pm »

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« Reply #368 on: July 22, 2016, 04:55:39 pm »

Has anybody seen Iguana even posting? I'd be fine with lynching him. He's doing nothing but hopping on wagons.

I don't think Iguanas can use keyboards.
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« Reply #369 on: July 22, 2016, 04:57:54 pm »

I literally have no idea why we're lynching Teamlyle but I mostly trust the people pushing his lynch. They seem towny.
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« Reply #370 on: July 22, 2016, 05:01:26 pm »

Sorry for my absence! Anyway unvote if I have any chance at all
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #371 on: July 22, 2016, 05:16:05 pm »

Sorry for my absence! Anyway unvote if I have any chance at all
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« Reply #372 on: July 22, 2016, 05:20:57 pm »

Sorry for my absence! Anyway unvote if I have any chance at all
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« Reply #373 on: July 22, 2016, 05:23:12 pm »

Sorry for my absence! Anyway unvote if I have any chance at all
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Yeah, I really don't understand the self votes. Could ash or teamlyle explain why they were necessary?

Mine was when we had a guaranteed scum/town showdown where lynching one caught the other.  That faded.

Lyle said he gave up after something he said was taken as scummy.  Seemed AtE at the time.  And now.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #374 on: July 22, 2016, 06:12:12 pm »

We might want to wait to go into the night until the weekend is over so no one forgets to submit their night action.
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« Reply #375 on: July 22, 2016, 06:41:29 pm »

We might want to wait to go into the night until the weekend is over so no one forgets to submit their night action.
Agree.
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« Reply #376 on: July 22, 2016, 06:42:24 pm »

Especially as nights are only 1 day long, so we need to make sure that everyone is available that day.
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« Reply #377 on: July 22, 2016, 07:17:47 pm »

Oh and I'm away most of today (Saturday), so consider this a V/LA notification I.e. Don't prod me.
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« Reply #378 on: July 22, 2016, 08:25:11 pm »

Oh and I'm away most of today (Saturday), so consider this a V/LA notification I.e. Don't prod me.

Today is still Friday. Well, I guess not for some of you (including the mod I believe).

Either way, Joseph is not the correct lynch today. Seprix is
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #379 on: July 22, 2016, 09:00:29 pm »

Oh and I'm away most of today (Saturday), so consider this a V/LA notification I.e. Don't prod me.

Today is still Friday. Well, I guess not for some of you (including the mod I believe).

Either way, Joseph is not the correct lynch today. Seprix is

Prove it. Let's hear your case.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #380 on: July 22, 2016, 09:00:40 pm »

Or wait, we're not even doing that, are we?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #381 on: July 22, 2016, 09:18:13 pm »

Or wait, we're not even doing that, are we?

No, no. We can do cases. Just no reads
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« Reply #382 on: July 22, 2016, 09:27:30 pm »

Vote: Seprix
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #383 on: July 22, 2016, 11:51:32 pm »

Or wait, we're not even doing that, are we?

No, no. We can do cases. Just no reads

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« Reply #384 on: July 22, 2016, 11:52:19 pm »

Vote: Seprix

This as well. Should I hammer you?

You'll have to wait until I'm less tired and less drunk.
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« Reply #385 on: July 23, 2016, 12:21:44 am »

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« Reply #386 on: July 23, 2016, 12:38:26 am »

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« Reply #387 on: July 23, 2016, 02:26:29 am »

Oh and I'm away most of today (Saturday), so consider this a V/LA notification I.e. Don't prod me.

Today is still Friday. Well, I guess not for some of you (including the mod I believe).

Either way, Joseph is not the correct lynch today. Seprix is
It was 00:17 when I posted, and would have been 01;17 i believe for the mod.
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« Reply #388 on: July 23, 2016, 08:20:37 am »

Vote: Seprix

I so want you dead.

That was uncalled for.

It's a forum survivor thing. He basically destroyed my game. We've been playing since last year in October.
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« Reply #389 on: July 23, 2016, 08:21:16 am »

Vote: Seprix

I so want you dead.

That was uncalled for.

It's a forum survivor thing. He basically destroyed my game. We've been playing since last year in October.
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« Reply #390 on: July 23, 2016, 08:48:12 am »

Vote: Seprix

This as well. Should I hammer you?

You'll have to wait until I'm less tired and less drunk.

+1. Though as he unvoted himself he is at L-2 now
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« Reply #391 on: July 24, 2016, 06:44:15 am »

We're back? We're back!
OK.  Will get on this soon.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #392 on: July 24, 2016, 06:58:06 am »

We're back? We're back!
OK.  Will get on this soon.
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« Reply #393 on: July 24, 2016, 09:51:12 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #394 on: July 24, 2016, 09:53:29 am »

Yeah, tried to post yesterday but the forum was being weird.

Also, vote people for this game. Using meta is cool, but going outside the Mafia universe is not
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« Reply #395 on: July 24, 2016, 10:52:05 am »

Yeah, tried to post yesterday but the forum was being weird.

Also, vote people for this game. Using meta is cool, but going outside the Mafia universe is not

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« Reply #396 on: July 24, 2016, 01:12:50 pm »

Vote: Seprix

This as well. Should I hammer you?

You'll have to wait until I'm less tired and less drunk.

+1. Though as he unvoted himself he is at L-2 now

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« Reply #397 on: July 24, 2016, 01:13:15 pm »

Should be L-1 now.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #398 on: July 24, 2016, 01:17:11 pm »

- Italic reddish message -

Vote Count 1.9

Seprix (2): e, teamlyle
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
gkrieg13 (1): Haddock
Joseph2302 (1): Egork
teamlyle (6): J Reggie, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, ashersky, faust {L-1}
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« Reply #399 on: July 24, 2016, 01:38:25 pm »

I'm thinking about hammering.
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« Reply #400 on: July 24, 2016, 01:38:46 pm »

Nah, there's no need. We have 5 days.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #401 on: July 24, 2016, 02:07:10 pm »

I would also vaguely consider it. But I haven't actually reread lyle so should probably do that first! And there's tons of time.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #402 on: July 24, 2016, 04:22:35 pm »

Vote: Seprix

I so want you dead.

That was uncalled for.

It's a forum survivor thing. He basically destroyed my game. We've been playing since last year in October.

For the record, I regret posting this. I still haven't read this game and have no idea why I'm voting for Teamlyle.
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« Reply #403 on: July 24, 2016, 04:24:15 pm »

Seems like he's probably scum though since people are having trouble lynching him. That's often a thing.
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« Reply #404 on: July 24, 2016, 04:30:27 pm »

Seems like he's probably scum though since people are having trouble lynching him. That's often a thing.
I swing the other way on it.
People are mostly going "oh there's tons of time", which is not a defence. I genuinely think people are happy to lynch him.  What does scum benefit from stalling here rather than just bussing and be done with it?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #405 on: July 24, 2016, 04:42:57 pm »

Seems like he's probably scum though since people are having trouble lynching him. That's often a thing.
I swing the other way on it.
People are mostly going "oh there's tons of time", which is not a defence. I genuinely think people are happy to lynch him.  What does scum benefit from stalling here rather than just bussing and be done with it?

They stall, we give up and lynch someone else.
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« Reply #406 on: July 24, 2016, 05:26:56 pm »

I don't think I posted all weekend, so I'll say hello now and catch up in a bit.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #407 on: July 24, 2016, 06:22:13 pm »

I think this is actually a case where a shorter day benefits town more.  More interactions between players (which is usually why town wants long days) means more of a chance for scum to pick a duel that they can win.  The nights are short, so hopefully we can get mafia to make a rash decision on the duel if someone hammers soon. 

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« Reply #408 on: July 24, 2016, 06:52:15 pm »

I think this is actually a case where a shorter day benefits town more.  More interactions between players (which is usually why town wants long days) means more of a chance for scum to pick a duel that they can win.  The nights are short, so hopefully we can get mafia to make a rash decision on the duel if someone hammers soon.

I don't like this argument at all.  I think that the whole scum duel thing isn't really that big of a deal.  I think it is a much bigger deal for us to get interactions at town so that we can actually pick out of the duel who is scum and who is town.  The fewer interactions we can see, the harder it is for us to choose correctly in the duel
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #409 on: July 24, 2016, 07:09:55 pm »

Has teamlyle played much before? He seems newish to me (no offense if he's not). This seems like a classic "this guy seems weird, let's lynch him" Day 1 lynch, which is safe for scum and kind of lazy for Town.
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« Reply #410 on: July 24, 2016, 07:44:31 pm »

That settles it, then. I'll end the day if there are no objections.
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« Reply #411 on: July 24, 2016, 07:45:42 pm »

That settles it, then. I'll end the day if there are no objections.

Pretty sure there have already been objections.
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« Reply #412 on: July 24, 2016, 07:52:27 pm »

That settles it, then. I'll end the day if there are no objections.

Pretty sure there have already been objections.

...And there's an objection.
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« Reply #413 on: July 24, 2016, 08:04:46 pm »

That settles it, then. I'll end the day if there are no objections.

Pretty sure there have already been objections.

...And there's an objection.

I mean the last two posts before your intent to hammer was an objection to the lynch and an objection to ending the Day early.
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« Reply #414 on: July 24, 2016, 08:32:11 pm »

Just hurry up and lynch me already :P By giving up I though I was doing you guys a favor by making the day end early (and giving you a free correct lynch). Also if you want the night to be on the weekend like you mentioned before, your time is running out
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« Reply #415 on: July 24, 2016, 08:32:52 pm »

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« Reply #416 on: July 24, 2016, 08:34:23 pm »

Seprix, would you like to do the honours, or shall I?
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« Reply #417 on: July 24, 2016, 08:38:21 pm »

and giving you a free correct lynch

Correct lynch?

vote: Teamyle

Let's see. I mean, he did just confess to be scum.
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« Reply #418 on: July 24, 2016, 08:38:45 pm »

Just someone hammer and no one forget to submit your night action
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« Reply #419 on: July 24, 2016, 08:38:50 pm »

Okay, it's official now. Sorry guys I was town
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« Reply #420 on: July 24, 2016, 08:39:22 pm »

Okay, it's official now. Sorry guys I was town

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« Reply #421 on: July 24, 2016, 08:39:30 pm »

Okay, it's official now. Sorry guys I was town

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« Reply #422 on: July 24, 2016, 08:39:34 pm »

I was just trolling on my way out :) Good luck guys!
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« Reply #423 on: July 24, 2016, 08:40:26 pm »

I was just trolling on my way out :) Good luck guys!

Ugh, you might have died anyways, but that is just too bad...

Unreal.

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« Reply #424 on: July 24, 2016, 08:41:31 pm »

I was just trolling on my way out :) Good luck guys!

Ugh, you might have died anyways, but that is just too bad...


I would've definitely died anyway.
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« Reply #425 on: July 24, 2016, 08:42:11 pm »

I was just trolling on my way out :) Good luck guys!

Ugh, you might have died anyways, but that is just too bad...


I would've definitely died anyway.

You don't know that.
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« Reply #426 on: July 24, 2016, 08:42:16 pm »

Submitted my Ghoul on ash. Everyone else should do likewise (not on ash though).
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« Reply #427 on: July 24, 2016, 08:42:51 pm »

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« Reply #428 on: July 24, 2016, 08:43:52 pm »

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« Reply #429 on: July 24, 2016, 08:44:19 pm »

If someone forgets to submit, I am going to be one very sad Overlord.
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« Reply #431 on: July 24, 2016, 08:55:06 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 1

Seprix (2): e, teamlyle
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
gkrieg13 (1): Haddock
Joseph2302 (1): Egork
teamlyle (7): J Reggie, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, ashersky, faust, Seprix
iguanaiguana (1): chairs

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

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« Reply #432 on: July 24, 2016, 08:56:47 pm »

teamlyle has been lynched. He was Town.

Night 1 starts now and lasts until July 26, 21:00 Forum Time.

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« Reply #433 on: July 25, 2016, 10:36:29 pm »

chairs has died in the night. He was Town.

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« Reply #434 on: July 25, 2016, 10:37:54 pm »

Day 2 start!

The Duel is between faust and ashersky!

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« Reply #435 on: July 25, 2016, 10:40:49 pm »

Vote Count 2.0

faust (0):
ashersky (0):

Not Voting (11): e, Jimmmmm, Haddock, Egork, J Reggie, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, ashersky, faust, Seprix

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at August 3, 23:00 Forum Time.
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« Reply #436 on: July 25, 2016, 11:11:23 pm »

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« Reply #437 on: July 25, 2016, 11:15:01 pm »

The best laid plans.

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« Reply #438 on: July 25, 2016, 11:43:29 pm »

vote: ashersky

I think he and Seprix are partners.

Also looking at the night kill, I expected chairs or Egork to die if scum didn't, so I'm trying to figure out if there is a larger gap between scum on the chairs side, or if scum just thought he was the most likely to not submit a night action.
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« Reply #439 on: July 26, 2016, 12:14:39 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?
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« Reply #440 on: July 26, 2016, 12:14:59 am »

vote: Ashersky
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« Reply #441 on: July 26, 2016, 12:34:04 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

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« Reply #442 on: July 26, 2016, 12:44:04 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

Ashersky is too clever to not push the Ghoul plan. He's a solid scum player, and a huge risk taker. Don't assume he is town for only that reason.
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« Reply #443 on: July 26, 2016, 12:48:49 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

Ashersky is too clever to not push the Ghoul plan. He's a solid scum player, and a huge risk taker. Don't assume he is town for only that reason.

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« Reply #444 on: July 26, 2016, 01:42:46 am »

So that is terrible.  Shame on chairs.

Here's what we learned.  There is at least one scum in {1-6}.  There could be one scum in {9, 10, 12}.

Why?  The duel.  All of my calculations assume I am town because I know I am town.

The scum team chose Faust and ashersky.  They knew our plan and had to factor that into their decision.  Hence, they knew that the scum who would die was not Faust.  The kill target would have been a player between Faust and chairs (my guess is Seprix).  Seprix and igu are highly likely to be town, but not guaranteed.

Regardless, they could only have targeted Sep, igu, or chairs.  They knew I would survive the NK because of the plan, so they either planned for Jimmmmm to die, or both scum are in the first set of six.

I think Jimmmm was the sacrifice.  That would mean the third partner is seen as townier than him.

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« Reply #445 on: July 26, 2016, 01:44:13 am »

Note, I have no case other than clues on Jimmmm; I had a town read on him on D1.  I am often wrong on Jimmmm though.
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« Reply #446 on: July 26, 2016, 01:45:13 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

Ashersky is too clever to not push the Ghoul plan. He's a solid scum player, and a huge risk taker. Don't assume he is town for only that reason.

Yeah, that's a good point. I'd like to wait to hear from both of them before I vote. If anyone else failed to use their ghoul power, please don't say anything about it.

If anyone else failed to use it, it would not matter.  Only the person who died failed irresponsibly.
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« Reply #447 on: July 26, 2016, 02:37:00 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

Ashersky is too clever to not push the Ghoul plan. He's a solid scum player, and a huge risk taker. Don't assume he is town for only that reason.

Yeah, that's a good point. I'd like to wait to hear from both of them before I vote. If anyone else failed to use their ghoul power, please don't say anything about it.

If anyone else failed to use it, it would not matter.  Only the person who died failed irresponsibly.
It does matter though, as it means they still have the power for another night.
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« Reply #448 on: July 26, 2016, 02:37:33 am »

Also, annoying that the plan didn't work.
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« Reply #449 on: July 26, 2016, 02:44:20 am »

If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
Scum could have chosen a backup, therefore faust could have been the sacrifice target.
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« Reply #450 on: July 26, 2016, 03:43:31 am »

If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
Scum could have chosen a backup, therefore faust could have been the sacrifice target.

But why choose a backup?  The absolute most sensible thing to do as scum is to assume town plays well enough to follow the simplest plan on the planet and just work around it.

There are no absolute guarantees here, but I'm basing my analysis on known information and most likely decisions.  Scum plans for the plan and does what they need to to get what they think is most beneficial to them.
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« Reply #451 on: July 26, 2016, 05:28:05 am »

So that is terrible.  Shame on chairs.

Here's what we learned.  There is at least one scum in {1-6}.  There could be one scum in {9, 10, 12}.

Why?  The duel.  All of my calculations assume I am town because I know I am town.

The scum team chose Faust and ashersky.  They knew our plan and had to factor that into their decision.  Hence, they knew that the scum who would die was not Faust.  The kill target would have been a player between Faust and chairs (my guess is Seprix).  Seprix and igu are highly likely to be town, but not guaranteed.

Regardless, they could only have targeted Sep, igu, or chairs.  They knew I would survive the NK because of the plan, so they either planned for Jimmmmm to die, or both scum are in the first set of six.

I think Jimmmm was the sacrifice.  That would mean the third partner is seen as townier than him.

vote: faust

Two people can play this game.

The most interesting thing is that chairs died; that means that if scum did not want to kill ash, then Jimmmmm must be scum. Or it's all a setup to frame Jimmmmm? That would mean that ash was willing to risk being the nightkill. Does that make sense?

This needs a bit of ash psychology. I strongly believe that in any possible scum team, ash is the mastermind. So what's he thinking? I know he doesn't like imbalanced games (and understandably so). Maybe he decided "if the plan succeeds, I don't want to play", thus making himself the kill. On the other hand, if the plan fails, ash would be very eager to continue.

So I fear that there is no way to conclude that Jimmmmm is town here. Too bad.

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« Reply #452 on: July 26, 2016, 05:30:02 am »

So I fear that there is no way to conclude that Jimmmmm is town here. Too bad.

And when I say town, I mean scum, as always. Though the above statement is true as well.
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« Reply #453 on: July 26, 2016, 05:34:50 am »

But why choose a backup?  The absolute most sensible thing to do as scum is to assume town plays well enough to follow the simplest plan on the planet and just work around it.

There are no absolute guarantees here, but I'm basing my analysis on known information and most likely decisions.  Scum plans for the plan and does what they need to to get what they think is most beneficial to them.

Thi is an interesting post though. ash implies that scum would have always assumed the plan works. Is that what he really thinks? Because then Jimmmmm looks bad again. I may just be misdirection though, hoping to frame Jimmmmm even after his death.

I mean, no matter what, we both die after today, so anything ash says right now is full of WIFOM.
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« Reply #454 on: July 26, 2016, 05:39:34 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

Ashersky is too clever to not push the Ghoul plan. He's a solid scum player, and a huge risk taker. Don't assume he is town for only that reason.

Plus, it was not him that came up with the plan, but chairs. Of course after the plan was out, everyone realized that we had to do it.
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« Reply #455 on: July 26, 2016, 06:08:05 am »

The most interesting thing is that chairs died; that means that if scum did not want to kill ash, then Jimmmmm must be scum. Or it's all a setup to frame Jimmmmm? That would mean that ash was willing to risk being the nightkill. Does that make sense?

No, that doesn't make sense.  I used ghoul, I pass the kill on.  Why would any of what you are mentioning there matter? 

The whole "if scum did not want to kill X" thing doesn't work because of the plan.

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« Reply #456 on: July 26, 2016, 06:08:49 am »

I mean, no matter what, we both die after today, so anything ash says right now is full of WIFOM.

Applies to you, too.
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« Reply #457 on: July 26, 2016, 06:10:56 am »

The funny thing about this duel mechanic, especially today, is that there's very little to base anything on.

I seriously don't have a scum read on Faust -- I just know he's scum because I'm not.  I don't have a case to build.  I guess I could re-read D1, but there's not much there to care about.  Had we lynched scum, that would have helped.

The funny thing is, since we both die anyway, the only thing that matters is whether scum gets to keep their number at 3 or not.  There's just not much incentive to try as either alignment.
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« Reply #458 on: July 26, 2016, 06:14:21 am »

Yeah, not much from Faust on D1.  I guess that's a thing -- not much input, basically of no use, which is the opposite of town!faust.  He was put Lyle at L1, but so did I at one point.  Besides, Lyle ensured that we can't find anyone at fault for his Lynch, given he claimed scum.

Yeah, I've got nothing compelling.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #459 on: July 26, 2016, 06:18:45 am »

Thi is an interesting post though. ash implies that scum would have always assumed the plan works. Is that what he really thinks? Because then Jimmmmm looks bad again. I may just be misdirection though, hoping to frame Jimmmmm even after his death.

More on this -- why would scum NOT assume the plan works?  It literally works perfectly to kill one scum.  It was a design flaw.  There were two ways for the plan to fail:

1) a town player fails to follow the plan
2) the mod changed the setup without telling anyone

It has to be 1, because 2 would be an unforgivable sin.

So, it seems like a fairly big risk for the scum team to assume a townie would f* up.  They had to have planned for one of them (not Faust) to be dead.

And Jimmmm still doesn't look any worse than anyone else.  Where are you coming up with this?  Jimmmmm ghouled to me, and I ghouled to gkrieg.  Your argument is based on "if scum is Faust and ash is town, Jimmmm looks like scum because otherwise ash would have died" but that doesn't work because Ghoul protected me.

Your confusion about Jimmmm's looks reveals you, I think.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #460 on: July 26, 2016, 06:21:11 am »

The random conversion of a townie if you mislynch me throws a bigger wrench into things -- reads go out the window, the likelihood stuff that came from the ghoul plan also get weaker...
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #461 on: July 26, 2016, 06:21:39 am »

The most interesting thing is that chairs died; that means that if scum did not want to kill ash, then Jimmmmm must be scum. Or it's all a setup to frame Jimmmmm? That would mean that ash was willing to risk being the nightkill. Does that make sense?

No, that doesn't make sense.  I used ghoul, I pass the kill on.  Why would any of what you are mentioning there matter?

Because you're scum and have no ghoul power.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #462 on: July 26, 2016, 06:31:33 am »

The most interesting thing is that chairs died; that means that if scum did not want to kill ash, then Jimmmmm must be scum. Or it's all a setup to frame Jimmmmm? That would mean that ash was willing to risk being the nightkill. Does that make sense?

No, that doesn't make sense.  I used ghoul, I pass the kill on.  Why would any of what you are mentioning there matter?

Because you're scum and have no ghoul power.

Oh, I see.  In the case that you are town and I am scum, scum didn't want me to die from the NK because they chose this duel.

Okay, that makes sense.  Except it is wrong, and will be proven wrong either way.  I actually think we should just lynch.  Everyone can vote in their next post -- you and I unvote each other so as not to effect wagon makeup.  One extra slot on the lynch for a player to have to make a stand benefits town every time.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #463 on: July 26, 2016, 06:32:17 am »

I will strongly note that if Faust refuses to unvote, he's ensuring that at least one vote on the mislynch wagon is himself, who will die, and is that much less information for town to go on on future days.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #464 on: July 26, 2016, 07:51:11 am »

2 things

First, I managed to submit my action

Second, remember, if we lynch incorrectly one townie will end up being converted, which will complicate reads a bit

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« Reply #465 on: July 26, 2016, 08:49:36 am »

They had to have planned for one of them (not Faust) to be dead.

...How do you know this?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #466 on: July 26, 2016, 08:51:23 am »

I legitimately feel we can figure out this lynch. We have time, let town discuss it. The fact that Ash is pushing for everyone to just vote instead of discussing it is very very scummy on its own.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #467 on: July 26, 2016, 08:51:39 am »

They had to have planned for one of them (not Faust) to be dead.

...How do you know this?

How do you not?  Unless you think they knew somehow that one town would not follow the plan, they had to have planned to lose one of their own.

The NK was compulsory, the Ghouls would redirect it until it hit someone who couldn't, and that someone was supposed to be scum.

Ensuring it wasn't Faust was easy -- the first domino needed to be after Faust and before another scum on the player list.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #468 on: July 26, 2016, 08:52:46 am »

I legitimately feel we can figure out this lynch. We have time, let town discuss it. The fact that Ash is pushing for everyone to just vote instead of discussing it is very very scummy on its own.

I legitimately think you are delusional if you think there is a sure fire way to determine which of the two of us are scum.

Although one point I would make -- no scum team with me on it would ever, ever, ever duel Faust.  That's crazy sauce.
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« Reply #469 on: July 26, 2016, 08:55:00 am »

They had to have planned for one of them (not Faust) to be dead.

...How do you know this?

How do you not? 

The onus of proof is on you.

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Unless you think they knew somehow that one town would not follow the plan, they had to have planned to lose one of their own.

A reasonable assumption.

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The NK was compulsory, the Ghouls would redirect it until it hit someone who couldn't, and that someone was supposed to be scum.

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Ensuring it wasn't Faust was easy -- the first domino needed to be after Faust and before another scum on the player list.

But why Faust specifically? Wouldn't scum want to pick someone not as scummy? Just because Faust is lined up beside you doesn't mean he's the top scum pick, assuming he is scum in the first place, and not you.

I'm going to go look at the list myself, and see if I can make anything of it.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #470 on: July 26, 2016, 08:55:43 am »

I legitimately feel we can figure out this lynch. We have time, let town discuss it. The fact that Ash is pushing for everyone to just vote instead of discussing it is very very scummy on its own.

I legitimately think you are delusional if you think there is a sure fire way to determine which of the two of us are scum.

Although one point I would make -- no scum team with me on it would ever, ever, ever duel Faust.  That's crazy sauce.

That crazy sauce has tons of wine in it.
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« Reply #471 on: July 26, 2016, 08:56:23 am »

Not to mention there might be something to discuss. You're going to deny the chance for town to think about their decision?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #472 on: July 26, 2016, 09:02:13 am »

THE LIST FOR CONTEXT:

    gkrieg13
    Joseph2302
    Haddock
    e
    Egork
    J Reggie
    faust - DUEL
    teamlyle – Lynched Day 1
    Seprix
    iguanaiguana
    chairs – Died Night 1
    Jimmmmm
    ashersky - DUEL
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #473 on: July 26, 2016, 09:04:48 am »

Okay, that makes sense.  Except it is wrong, and will be proven wrong either way.  I actually think we should just lynch.  Everyone can vote in their next post -- you and I unvote each other so as not to effect wagon makeup.  One extra slot on the lynch for a player to have to make a stand benefits town every time.

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I don't get this - we have the whole day to sort this out. Why should people vote in their next post? Because you think the tide is on your side right now?

I also don't see a reason to unvote. Outsider's perspective: If either of us is at L-1 and we have both unvoted, if it's the town player at L-1, scum will quickhammer. Arguably I would also quickhammer as town, because "wagon makeup" isn't worth taking the risk of lynching the wrong guy. Seems more honest to just keep my vote on you.
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« Reply #474 on: July 26, 2016, 09:05:35 am »

With Ashersky's logic, he could have easily have been the one who wanted to die if it didn't work out, for Faust's reason: The set-up too heavily favored town and was swingy.

Another thing to consider: Scum could have picked someone who was as far away from scum as possible, in the hopes that it would hit a town player who supposedly missed. Chairs missed. So there's that.
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« Reply #475 on: July 26, 2016, 09:06:27 am »

Ashersky is likely the scum player. He plays way too aggressively as scum, and it always looks towny because it's often suicide to try stuff.
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« Reply #476 on: July 26, 2016, 09:07:27 am »

Well all I can say is to confirm that I did ghoul to chairs : (
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« Reply #477 on: July 26, 2016, 09:09:20 am »

Well all I can say is to confirm that I did ghoul to chairs : (

If you didn't, you'd be dead. You're almost 100% town.
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« Reply #478 on: July 26, 2016, 09:09:28 am »

Philosophically, I want to vote for Faust. But I will do the right thing and actually read this game.
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« Reply #479 on: July 26, 2016, 09:10:00 am »

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #480 on: July 26, 2016, 09:10:32 am »

Submitted my Ghoul on ash. Everyone else should do likewise (not on ash though).

Submitted on joseph

Submitted on IGG Rush.

The people who talked about Ghouling. I submitted my action, and IG didn't die, so it's very likely both of us are town. Jimmmmm and gkreig could both be bluffing and just saying it (as could I honestly).
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« Reply #481 on: July 26, 2016, 09:11:51 am »

If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum.

When he said that, that basically sealed my vote. It's pretty obvious Ashersky blew it at this point.
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« Reply #482 on: July 26, 2016, 09:14:03 am »

IG is Ichimaru Gin.

People call me Iguanda because uh silverspawn
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« Reply #483 on: July 26, 2016, 09:18:00 am »

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.

There is, in fact, a huge plan to be had.  And I have it.

Also, as is amazingly awesome, DAMA.

Faust said Ash didn't have the plan, chairs did, but Ashersky's first post is about having a plan.
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« Reply #484 on: July 26, 2016, 09:21:41 am »

gah, there's already serious discussion and we're not even an hour in! I know ash likes to solve setups, and I think that advice is good advice.  Ash, what do you propose instead of reads lists. 

Also, jimmmmm thinks I'm scummy. 

PPE: 8 no joke

I propose nothing in place of reads lists.  Just vote.  If scum wants to work hard to create reads lists for each town player base don our voting patterns and posts, good on them.

Just no popsquizes or readslists.  Trust me on this.

Also, someone chekc the math on the chairs plan.  I think it works.  Ghoul the next in line, NK just gets passed down the list until it hits scum who can't Ghoul.  Or scum doesn't NK, but they cna't NK buecause I think it is compuslory.  So we win.

If that's truly true, setup is broken.

Ah yes, Ash had a different plan - for no one to give out reads lists, and then called the setup broken once Chairs gave the plan for us all to ghoul down the line. (It was Chairs' plan, irony!). So actually Ash was lying when he misrepresented that the plan to ghoul down the player line was his plan. He sort of seems not to like the plan much in this post actually. He says it makes the setup broken.

Of course at this point he also seems to think that the ghoul is every night, not one shot. So Ash is spreading misinformation too!
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« Reply #485 on: July 26, 2016, 09:22:47 am »

The Iguanda is getting solvy.  ;D
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« Reply #486 on: July 26, 2016, 09:23:23 am »

Also, super town on Jimmmmmm.

If Ash is scum, Jimmmmmm is likely scum too.
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« Reply #487 on: July 26, 2016, 09:26:55 am »

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?

We are 1-shot Ghouls.

Wait what?

That was not in my PM.

Okay, then this misunderstanding. Here's my take on it.

My PM actually doesn't say anything about being a 1-shot ghoul. It just says I am town and have a ghoul power to use. So it seemed reasonable at the time that town!Ash could misunderstand his PM and believe that he has endless ghoul power, and suspect anyone who thinks ghoul is 1-shot.

The logic here is that since only the setup says one shot and not the PM, this means that town!Ash only read the Quicktopic/PM and didn't read the setup.

So this begs the question, how would scum!Ash know about the contents of our PM?

However, I still remember from soap opera mafia that Ash was more than willing to spread misinformation and hold wrong ideas on purpose as scum, so the fact that Ash is confused/wrong here could indicate scum.

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« Reply #488 on: July 26, 2016, 09:28:00 am »

2) the mod changed the setup without telling anyone

It has to be 1, because 2 would be an unforgivable sin.

I did not change the setup.

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« Reply #489 on: July 26, 2016, 09:28:22 am »

I mean, silverspawn could have easily just shown scum a vanilla town PM, and scum!Ash could have said "Town doesn't know that I know their PM. What's weird about this PM that I can use to my advantage?" That seems very ash-like.
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« Reply #490 on: July 26, 2016, 09:28:44 am »

2) the mod changed the setup without telling anyone

It has to be 1, because 2 would be an unforgivable sin.

I did not change the setup.

He was just riling you up because ruffles and feathers.
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« Reply #491 on: July 26, 2016, 09:30:11 am »

I mean ash is known for self-voting but this makes no sense

It's guaranteed that one of me and Jimmmmm is scum.  Vote one of us, no one else.  Just pick one, even if you are wrong, the other is scum, right?  This is literally a PM/QT wording argument.  No reads, no opinion, nothing.   It's based solely on fact.  Jimmmmm claims his QT says 1-shot, I claims mine does not.  Pick which one you think is correct.

Yeah, I could very much see Ash doing this if both Jimm and him are scum.
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« Reply #492 on: July 26, 2016, 09:30:46 am »

Iguana, the case on Ash is strong. But is there a case on Faust? Can you look into it? You're the most likely town player here, so your input is the most valuable.
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« Reply #493 on: July 26, 2016, 09:33:00 am »

I thought about this setup a bit, since I signed up for my first game in months.


Wait, so you did read the setup? You've been thinking hard about this setup, and yet you were still the only player in the game to come up with all sorts of misunderstandings about it? Your crazy misunderstandings make a lot more sense when they are purposeful, and this is hella scummy. Sorry, Ash.
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« Reply #494 on: July 26, 2016, 09:33:29 am »

Iguana, the case on Ash is strong. But is there a case on Faust? Can you look into it? You're the most likely town player here, so your input is the most valuable.

I'm just reading everything in order and Faust hasn't said anything yet. Sorry for the spamming. It's just so much faster this way.
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« Reply #495 on: July 26, 2016, 09:34:40 am »

My favorite thing about being mislynched is all the I told you so posts I can make.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #496 on: July 26, 2016, 09:35:36 am »

For the record, I never claimed the ghoul plan was my own.  I'd like to see someone back up that lie.
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« Reply #497 on: July 26, 2016, 09:36:31 am »

unvote

Not liking the Lyle vote on Jimmmm.

Also, if anyone says they want to be chosen for the duel, it's probably scum playing the long con.

That said, I want to be chosen for the duel.

Does all this Jimmm argument stuff, then calls the first person to vote Jimmm scummy.

Sets it up early in everyone's heads that he's going to be in the first duel. Maybe because he already knew?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #498 on: July 26, 2016, 09:36:55 am »

Iguana, the case on Ash is strong. But is there a case on Faust? Can you look into it? You're the most likely town player here, so your input is the most valuable.

There's no real case to be made on Faust, other than general inactivity.

Also the fact that he refused to unvote is 100% proof that I was right.  You'll see that and I'll ask that you quote this post once either of us are lynched.
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« Reply #499 on: July 26, 2016, 09:37:57 am »

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

Who argued that I would have died at night?  What kind of argument is that, even?  I literally don't understand it. 
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« Reply #500 on: July 26, 2016, 09:38:17 am »

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« Reply #501 on: July 26, 2016, 09:39:49 am »

faust: once the lynch is confirmed, would you do me a favor and go ahead and thank chairs for screwing up his own plan on behalf of your partners?

Also, no need to troll after the lynch is confirmed, you can just own up to being scum.
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« Reply #502 on: July 26, 2016, 09:43:02 am »

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obviously chairs, right? Which is too bad because he was on the track to being MVP. I'm tempted to say ash is town because of the way he pushed the ghoul plan.

Ashersky is too clever to not push the Ghoul plan. He's a solid scum player, and a huge risk taker. Don't assume he is town for only that reason.

Plus, it was not him that came up with the plan, but chairs. Of course after the plan was out, everyone realized that we had to do it.

Ash is right that he didn't claim to come up with Chairs' plan. I got that misunderstanding from this post, where Faust is not actually claiming that either. My bad.
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« Reply #503 on: July 26, 2016, 09:44:10 am »

faust: once the lynch is confirmed, would you do me a favor and go ahead and thank chairs for screwing up his own plan on behalf of your partners?

Also, no need to troll after the lynch is confirmed, you can just own up to being scum.

You're being ridiculous and petty. I haven't even voted yet. I'm just doing a reread. Of course I'm going to find you scummy, from my perspective you have 50% odds of being scum.
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« Reply #504 on: July 26, 2016, 09:45:58 am »

If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum.

When he said that, that basically sealed my vote. It's pretty obvious Ashersky blew it at this point.

Have you such a low opinion of me as a player?  I have the equivalent of decades of experience on you as a Mafia player.

Pretty sure if you read my posts, you would understand my point.

There are many examples of times when voting for conf!scum may not be the best course of action.  Sometimes you pull a Jimmmm and try to root out partners, for example.

The duel mechanic forces players to vote for town or scum.  Only scum know with certainty which they are voting for.  We only care about the two scum not in the duel.  You need to leave as many slots available for the not duel players to vote.

For example, once I am lynched, you will see that I am town and Faust is scum.  Then you look at who decided to lynch me, and you will see a slot that could have been useful information taken up by Faust.  You will also see that I am screwing up your own chances at information by self-voting, but that's because I'm vindictive and petty when people misread me so badly.

There's also the fact that the setup actual rewards mislynches by giving all remaining town a chance to be converted to the scum team and win.  So it may seem to some of the town players that the best play is actually to mislynch every time and hope to get converted.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #505 on: July 26, 2016, 09:46:45 am »

faust: once the lynch is confirmed, would you do me a favor and go ahead and thank chairs for screwing up his own plan on behalf of your partners?

Also, no need to troll after the lynch is confirmed, you can just own up to being scum.

You're being ridiculous and petty. I haven't even voted yet. I'm just doing a reread. Of course I'm going to find you scummy, from my perspective you have 50% odds of being scum.

What did that post have to do with you?

You know that if I have a 50% chance of being scum, there's another player who also have a 50% chance of being scum?

I suck at math, so someone check that for me.
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« Reply #506 on: July 26, 2016, 09:50:11 am »

I may have to retract that townread on ash sadly... something just doesn't add up. He claims to have thought about this setup for a bit, yet he didn't know there are only 1-shot ghouls. If scum!ash had the town PM available, I could see him going for this kind of fake.

Meh.

It is more that I didn't realize there were only 1-shot ghouls in the setup.  Like, my QT clearly does NOT specify that my power is 1-shot, and that's my go to for all role information.  Open setup or not, role pm/qt needs to specify.

Scum team will complain but the Ghoul plan is basically gold.  Chairs gets huge town points for pointing it out -- I don't see him doing that as scum in the way he did.

Everyone should post something acknowledging the plan.

I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

These concessions read towny. I can understand the source of Ash's misunderstandings now. It's harder to see scum!Ash make any concession when he could have just spread more confusion instead. However, he could have easily also made these concessions as scum because he sensed a lynch coming.
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« Reply #507 on: July 26, 2016, 09:51:32 am »

I don't think the unvoting thing tells us anything. Faust has a good point that that slot would be taken up by the other player anyway because if Faust was at L-1, and you were town or scum and knew the other player was the opposite alignment, you would definitely hammer. But you would most certainly hammer as scum anyway.
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« Reply #508 on: July 26, 2016, 09:51:49 am »

Also, apropos of nothing -- I think Faust is playing like scum!faust.  This is mostly of faust's own notes, given no one seems to see it.  This is the blessing and danger of playing many, many, many games and modding even more.  There are tics and things that give a player away.  It's like poker, I think.
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« Reply #509 on: July 26, 2016, 09:53:21 am »

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

Who argued that I would have died at night?  What kind of argument is that, even?  I literally don't understand it. 
If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
Scum could have chosen a backup, therefore faust could have been the sacrifice target.

But why choose a backup?  The absolute most sensible thing to do as scum is to assume town plays well enough to follow the simplest plan on the planet and just work around it.

There are no absolute guarantees here, but I'm basing my analysis on known information and most likely decisions.  Scum plans for the plan and does what they need to to get what they think is most beneficial to them.

This is what made me think that. Maybe I'm understanding it wrong.

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« Reply #510 on: July 26, 2016, 09:53:55 am »

I don't think the unvoting thing tells us anything. Faust has a good point that that slot would be taken up by the other player anyway because if Faust was at L-1, and you were town or scum and knew the other player was the opposite alignment, you would definitely hammer. But you would most certainly hammer as scum anyway.

Well, my point was that we both promise not to vote at all.  Yes, scum would break that promise if town was at L-1, because they both die anyway, but it still forces the rest of the players to take stands earlier, I think.

Would town!me be tempted to break the promise to hammer scum?  Sure.  But I wouldn't -- because why would anyone trust me after that?

But it's more the dismissive tone Faust used to completely skirt the idea -- that's a scum!faust trait every single time.  Town!faust is helpful and thoughtful.  Scum!faust is haughty and bossy.
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« Reply #511 on: July 26, 2016, 09:57:00 am »

Also, apropos of nothing -- I think Faust is playing like scum!faust.  This is mostly of faust's own notes, given no one seems to see it.  This is the blessing and danger of playing many, many, many games and modding even more.  There are tics and things that give a player away.  It's like poker, I think.

Ya but you seem like you are playing one of your scum games as well. You would also love a Faust/you matchup. You live for that kind of thing.

Obviously scum want to take Faust out early too. Although the counter argument to that is that Faust seems scummier the longer he lives so he would volunteer himself to be the duke person.

You would also totally do the QT wording gambit at the beginning of the game as scum.

Honestly it seems like you have been grabbing for town points and it seems weird to me that you don't really try to build a case on Faust with real reasons, you instead choose to go based on setup things like where the person who died came from in the lineup and that Faust won't unvote.
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« Reply #512 on: July 26, 2016, 09:57:06 am »

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

Who argued that I would have died at night?  What kind of argument is that, even?  I literally don't understand it. 
If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
Scum could have chosen a backup, therefore faust could have been the sacrifice target.

But why choose a backup?  The absolute most sensible thing to do as scum is to assume town plays well enough to follow the simplest plan on the planet and just work around it.

There are no absolute guarantees here, but I'm basing my analysis on known information and most likely decisions.  Scum plans for the plan and does what they need to to get what they think is most beneficial to them.

This is what made me think that. Maybe I'm understanding it wrong.

My argument is:

1) Scum knew the town plan.
2) Scum assumed it would be followed successfully.
3) Scum chose their duel targets with that in mind and chose duel targets that would absolutely NOT die.
4) Scum chose their NK target to ensure that the ghoul plan would result in scum other than Faust dying.

If you think I'm the scum, just switch the names.  Faust points out that if I'm scum and wanted to ensure an ashersky v. Faust duel -- Jimmmm has to be scum, otherwise I'd have died if both chairs and Jimmmm used ghoul correctly.

I'd say that makes me more likely to be town, unless you think Jimmmm is in fact scum.  Because with Faust as scum, the actually scum who would die could be anyone from chairs all the way around the list until you get back to Faust.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #513 on: July 26, 2016, 09:59:52 am »

Also, apropos of nothing -- I think Faust is playing like scum!faust.  This is mostly of faust's own notes, given no one seems to see it.  This is the blessing and danger of playing many, many, many games and modding even more.  There are tics and things that give a player away.  It's like poker, I think.

Ya but you seem like you are playing one of your scum games as well. You would also love a Faust/you matchup. You live for that kind of thing.

Obviously scum want to take Faust out early too. Although the counter argument to that is that Faust seems scummier the longer he lives so he would volunteer himself to be the duke person.

You would also totally do the QT wording gambit at the beginning of the game as scum.

Honestly it seems like you have been grabbing for town points and it seems weird to me that you don't really try to build a case on Faust with real reasons, you instead choose to go based on setup things like where the person who died came from in the lineup and that Faust won't unvote.

I've said multiple times there's no case on Faust.  I actually think it was a bad decision on scum's part to put him in the first duel.  I would have chosen the weakest player, or the scummiest player.  Even though he gets replaced, you know it's a downgrade no matter who you get.  Seems bad.

People seem to be making a "case" on me, although I disagree with the points I can understand.  If someone comes up with a case on Faust, great.  I don't see it happening, though.  There's:

1) He was fairly inactive and mostly useless on D1 (from a leadership / theory / scum hunting perspective).
2) He has his scum persona turned on.
3) He's sitting back here on D2 letting everyone else do the work for him.

That's about it.
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« Reply #514 on: July 26, 2016, 10:02:25 am »

faust: once the lynch is confirmed, would you do me a favor and go ahead and thank chairs for screwing up his own plan on behalf of your partners?

Also, no need to troll after the lynch is confirmed, you can just own up to being scum.

You're being ridiculous and petty. I haven't even voted yet. I'm just doing a reread. Of course I'm going to find you scummy, from my perspective you have 50% odds of being scum.

What did that post have to do with you?

You know that if I have a 50% chance of being scum, there's another player who also have a 50% chance of being scum?

I suck at math, so someone check that for me.

Yes, I was doing your reread first.
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« Reply #515 on: July 26, 2016, 10:03:32 am »

Town on ash and Jimmmmm. Need to look again for scum reads.

Faust puts early townreads on these folks. Also doesn't say much at all about what's happened so far.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #516 on: July 26, 2016, 10:04:18 am »

Vote Count 2.1

ashersky (5): gkrieg13, Seprix, faust, J Reggie, ashersky {L-1}
faust (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Haddock, e, Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, Egork

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Aug 3, 23:00 forum time. That is in 8 days and 12+ hours.

Looks like I miscalculated when I tried to count 9 days forward. Subsequent game days are one real life day shorter than the first, down to seven. Real ending is August 3, not 4.
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« Reply #517 on: July 26, 2016, 10:05:36 am »

I don't know. This game is weird. Do people seriously believe that it's good to not give reads? Because that is bullshit.

I'm going to reread Jimmmmm. Because his post count stands out.

This sort of misrepresents Ash, who said not to give readslist. Though, he may be talking about other players who had actually extended Ash's original statement into thinking we shouldn't give any reads. But did anyone actually say that?
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« Reply #518 on: July 26, 2016, 10:06:11 am »

I just re-read the setup rules to see if there was something we missed that could have been exploited by scum.  I really think it just means chairs dropped the ball on his own plan, right?

A targets B targets C...targets scum.  Scum can't redirect, scum dies.  Unless it is recursive back to town on accident, or someone doesn't ghoul, it was perfect.

Argh.
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« Reply #519 on: July 26, 2016, 10:06:17 am »

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

Who argued that I would have died at night?  What kind of argument is that, even?  I literally don't understand it. 
If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
Scum could have chosen a backup, therefore faust could have been the sacrifice target.

But why choose a backup?  The absolute most sensible thing to do as scum is to assume town plays well enough to follow the simplest plan on the planet and just work around it.

There are no absolute guarantees here, but I'm basing my analysis on known information and most likely decisions.  Scum plans for the plan and does what they need to to get what they think is most beneficial to them.

This is what made me think that. Maybe I'm understanding it wrong.

My argument is:

1) Scum knew the town plan.
2) Scum assumed it would be followed successfully.
3) Scum chose their duel targets with that in mind and chose duel targets that would absolutely NOT die.
4) Scum chose their NK target to ensure that the ghoul plan would result in scum other than Faust dying.

If you think I'm the scum, just switch the names.  Faust points out that if I'm scum and wanted to ensure an ashersky v. Faust duel -- Jimmmm has to be scum, otherwise I'd have died if both chairs and Jimmmm used ghoul correctly.

I'd say that makes me more likely to be town, unless you think Jimmmm is in fact scum.  Because with Faust as scum, the actually scum who would die could be anyone from chairs all the way around the list until you get back to Faust.

Ok, I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. Since there is a possibility of having a backup duel, it makes sense that scum would try this unlikely gamble because if it pays off, they have this argument that ash is making now. The fact that he was so quick to make that argument proves that point further.

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« Reply #520 on: July 26, 2016, 10:07:02 am »



This also had me read the teamlyle stuff more carefully. Ugh. Hur dur. It is weird. I don't get it. I didn't get it at the time and chose to ignore it. But there is something in there too valuable to ignore. My gut says scum.

Very vague in response to his reasons for voting Teamlyle.
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« Reply #521 on: July 26, 2016, 10:07:48 am »

Odds a scum that hasn't voted yet would just quick hammer me?
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« Reply #522 on: July 26, 2016, 10:09:19 am »

Ok, I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. Since there is a possibility of having a backup duel, it makes sense that scum would try this unlikely gamble because if it pays off, they have this argument that ash is making now. The fact that he was so quick to make that argument proves that point further.

I still don't understand what you are saying.  Are you saying that scum would purposefully choose a backup duel and let the first person they choose die?

That makes no sense, because we, as town, wouldn't know that happened.  For all we know, chairs was the chosen duel and I was the backup.

What gamble are you referencing?  What did they do?
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« Reply #523 on: July 26, 2016, 10:12:18 am »

Ash, you should really unvote yourself.
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« Reply #524 on: July 26, 2016, 10:14:58 am »

unvote

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #525 on: July 26, 2016, 10:15:37 am »

I might argue the "too easy to lynch to be scum" point, but in a duel situation, seems less likely to apply.  There's only two choices, after all.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #526 on: July 26, 2016, 10:18:34 am »

Surprisingly, Faust and I have about the same mislynch rate for our careers, although I'm slightly higher at 36% to his 32%.

He is also lynched more often than I am when scum (56% to 54%).

You all have a 50% chance of voting correctly and the scum in duel is lynched correctly over half the times he rolls scum.  Funny.

Also, this duel auto-death thing messes with stats -- how do I count the auto-kill when you win the duel?
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« Reply #527 on: July 26, 2016, 10:19:31 am »

Ok, I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. Since there is a possibility of having a backup duel, it makes sense that scum would try this unlikely gamble because if it pays off, they have this argument that ash is making now. The fact that he was so quick to make that argument proves that point further.

I still don't understand what you are saying.  Are you saying that scum would purposefully choose a backup duel and let the first person they choose die?

That makes no sense, because we, as town, wouldn't know that happened.  For all we know, chairs was the chosen duel and I was the backup.

What gamble are you referencing?  What did they do?

In saying that you as scum would choose yourself for the duel, choose a backup duel in case you died, and then NK someone in the player list with no other scum between them and you. That way, if town does everything perfectly, you die and the game goes on, but if someone forgets to submit their ghoul action, you have this argument you can use to convince town you're not scum. That's such a scum!you thing to do.

You making me explain my case is just solidifying my scum read on you.

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« Reply #528 on: July 26, 2016, 10:22:18 am »

This is really reminding me of fanfic mafia. Let's not fall for ash's tactics this time.

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« Reply #529 on: July 26, 2016, 10:25:03 am »

Ok, I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. Since there is a possibility of having a backup duel, it makes sense that scum would try this unlikely gamble because if it pays off, they have this argument that ash is making now. The fact that he was so quick to make that argument proves that point further.

I still don't understand what you are saying.  Are you saying that scum would purposefully choose a backup duel and let the first person they choose die?

That makes no sense, because we, as town, wouldn't know that happened.  For all we know, chairs was the chosen duel and I was the backup.

What gamble are you referencing?  What did they do?

In saying that you as scum would choose yourself for the duel, choose a backup duel in case you died, and then NK someone in the player list with no other scum between them and you. That way, if town does everything perfectly, you die and the game goes on, but if someone forgets to submit their ghoul action, you have this argument you can use to convince town you're not scum. That's such a scum!you thing to do.

You making me explain my case is just solidifying my scum read on you.

That you think asking someone to explain their case is scummy is...mystifying.

That's quite the convoluted plan you have there.  So let me figure out the steps you think I took, choosing the simplest possible road:

--chairs comes up with a plan that kills one scum for sure.
--I decide I need to make a plan of some sort...
--I decide that I can use the combination of the back-up selection plus chairs's plan to somehow get towncred
--I make a post about wanting to be the choice for the duel
--I choose myself for the duel, along with Faust
--I choose a backup scum partner in case the ghoul plan results in me dying
--I choose an NK that will definitely hit me if everyone between me and the NK is town and follows the plan
--I hope someone messes up so that I am actually in the duel and then can say that I must be town because I am in the duel?

Man, why didn't I just choose an NK target that would hit some other scum so I could be in the duel for sure and get whatever towncred you think I was planning to get?
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« Reply #530 on: July 26, 2016, 10:26:00 am »

This is really reminding me of fanfic mafia. Let's not fall for ash's tactics this time.

Remind me again what your role was in that game?
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« Reply #531 on: July 26, 2016, 10:30:36 am »

That you think asking someone to explain their case is scummy is...mystifying.

No, I'm saying that I had to go back and reread you to solidify my case, and doing that is solidifying my scum read.

So you come into the day with this argument that you're saying should prove that you're town. Except you could just as easily have done that as scum. That is why I think you're scum. It's very similar to the Mason fake claim. Very easy to do as scum, and easy to convince town that scum wouldn't have the balls to do it.

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« Reply #532 on: July 26, 2016, 10:33:01 am »

This is really reminding me of fanfic mafia. Let's not fall for ash's tactics this time.

Remind me again what your role was in that game?

My role was it was the second mafia game I ever read, and it made an impression on me.

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« Reply #533 on: July 26, 2016, 10:33:51 am »

This is really reminding me of fanfic mafia. Let's not fall for ash's tactics this time.

Remind me again what your role was in that game?

My role was it was the second mafia game I ever read, and it made an impression on me.

It was a good game, for sure.
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« Reply #534 on: July 26, 2016, 10:37:43 am »

unvote

Why though?

Because you are being stupid if you are town, and just obnoxious if you are scum. This isn't all about you. It's also about us getting the fun of figuring it out and getting to decide. Stop taking away all the fun of the game from other players.
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« Reply #535 on: July 26, 2016, 10:52:50 am »

If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum.

When he said that, that basically sealed my vote. It's pretty obvious Ashersky blew it at this point.

Have you such a low opinion of me as a player?  I have the equivalent of decades of experience on you as a Mafia player.

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« Reply #536 on: July 26, 2016, 11:24:59 am »

Ok, I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. Since there is a possibility of having a backup duel, it makes sense that scum would try this unlikely gamble because if it pays off, they have this argument that ash is making now. The fact that he was so quick to make that argument proves that point further.

I still don't understand what you are saying.  Are you saying that scum would purposefully choose a backup duel and let the first person they choose die?

That makes no sense, because we, as town, wouldn't know that happened.  For all we know, chairs was the chosen duel and I was the backup.

What gamble are you referencing?  What did they do?

In saying that you as scum would choose yourself for the duel, choose a backup duel in case you died, and then NK someone in the player list with no other scum between them and you. That way, if town does everything perfectly, you die and the game goes on, but if someone forgets to submit their ghoul action, you have this argument you can use to convince town you're not scum. That's such a scum!you thing to do.

You making me explain my case is just solidifying my scum read on you.

That you think asking someone to explain their case is scummy is...mystifying.

That's quite the convoluted plan you have there.  So let me figure out the steps you think I took, choosing the simplest possible road:

--chairs comes up with a plan that kills one scum for sure.
--I decide I need to make a plan of some sort...
--I decide that I can use the combination of the back-up selection plus chairs's plan to somehow get towncred
--I make a post about wanting to be the choice for the duel
--I choose myself for the duel, along with Faust
--I choose a backup scum partner in case the ghoul plan results in me dying
--I choose an NK that will definitely hit me if everyone between me and the NK is town and follows the plan
--I hope someone messes up so that I am actually in the duel and then can say that I must be town because I am in the duel?

Man, why didn't I just choose an NK target that would hit some other scum so I could be in the duel for sure and get whatever towncred you think I was planning to get?

The other alternative is that Jimmmm is also mafia, and that you thought he would die, which would strengthen this case on you.

Either way before either of you are lynched, could you give us a full reads list?  Like thoughts on every person?
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« Reply #537 on: July 26, 2016, 11:32:08 am »

Just checking in. Can't contribute properly yet.
But I agree with the last. If ash is scum I really think Jimm is too.  It's not just about the duel.
I think scum would avoid setting ash up as their death anyway.  He's likely the strongest player in any potential scum team from this game. Esp with faust not an option there.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #538 on: July 26, 2016, 12:45:15 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.
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« Reply #539 on: July 26, 2016, 12:56:41 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

True that the scum team changes, but two of their members will stay the same and one of them will have to be in the duel the next time around.
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« Reply #540 on: July 26, 2016, 12:58:48 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

So you think that they targeted chairs with the NK, and that everyone after him until J Reggie is town?  That seems like a huge gap.  Why does it look like they were going to sacrifice J Reggie?
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« Reply #541 on: July 26, 2016, 01:03:02 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

So you think that they targeted chairs with the NK, and that everyone after him until J Reggie is town?  That seems like a huge gap.  Why does it look like they were going to sacrifice J Reggie?

Might seem like a huge gap, but remember that in the world of random assignments, anyone could be scum, in any order.  Could be three in a row.  So location in and of itself isn't an alignment tell.

If the team I made up of the players I think it is, JReggie is the weakest, and therefore the one you sacrifice.  He has a hard time looking townie ever, and he definitely loses most duels. 
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« Reply #542 on: July 26, 2016, 01:03:33 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

True that the scum team changes, but two of their members will stay the same and one of them will have to be in the duel the next time around.

Good point on the next duel.
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« Reply #543 on: July 26, 2016, 01:06:52 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

So you think that they targeted chairs with the NK, and that everyone after him until J Reggie is town?  That seems like a huge gap.  Why does it look like they were going to sacrifice J Reggie?

Might seem like a huge gap, but remember that in the world of random assignments, anyone could be scum, in any order.  Could be three in a row.  So location in and of itself isn't an alignment tell.

If the team I made up of the players I think it is, JReggie is the weakest, and therefore the one you sacrifice.  He has a hard time looking townie ever, and he definitely loses most duels.

So don't you think that they would nominate him for the duel and have faust as a backup plan?
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« Reply #544 on: July 26, 2016, 01:07:37 pm »

Also sorry if it feels like I'm grilling you and letting faust slide. 

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« Reply #545 on: July 26, 2016, 01:18:13 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

If I'm scum, the scum team shot for the guy who came up with the plan to redirect the first night's kill onto scum.

Why are you making it so hard not to just immediately vote you and end the day?
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« Reply #546 on: July 26, 2016, 01:19:24 pm »

Also, even if the scum team changes, the other two scum (besides Faust) are still scum!!!

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #547 on: July 26, 2016, 01:22:35 pm »

If the team I made up of the players I think it is, JReggie is the weakest, and therefore the one you sacrifice.  He has a hard time looking townie ever, and he definitely loses most duels.

Hey, I can look townie if I need to! 

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« Reply #548 on: July 26, 2016, 01:31:28 pm »

If the team I made up of the players I think it is, JReggie is the weakest, and therefore the one you sacrifice.  He has a hard time looking townie ever, and he definitely loses most duels.

Hey, I can look townie if I need to!
Word. Dunno where you're getting this from ash, since reggies one completed scum game so far was solid gold.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #549 on: July 26, 2016, 01:39:08 pm »

My favorite thing about being mislynched is all the I told you so posts I can make.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #550 on: July 26, 2016, 01:47:23 pm »

My favorite thing about being mislynched is all the I told you so posts I can make.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #551 on: July 26, 2016, 01:55:28 pm »

Ash, are you just saying I'm scum because I'm pushing your lynch?

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« Reply #552 on: July 26, 2016, 02:14:52 pm »

Ash, are you just saying I'm scum because I'm pushing your lynch?

He called me townie, and I'm pushing his lynch pretty hard.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #553 on: July 26, 2016, 02:21:29 pm »

Full reads lists are useless if you mislynch me.  The scum team changes, remember?

I think most likely scum are Jreggie and one of Sep/igu.

I think most likely town is gkrieg until he gets flipped to scum.  Also Jimmmmm.

I think chairs was the NK and jreggie was supposed to die from the Ghoul plan.  That leaves me at everyone town from 1 to 5.

So you think that they targeted chairs with the NK, and that everyone after him until J Reggie is town?  That seems like a huge gap.  Why does it look like they were going to sacrifice J Reggie?

Might seem like a huge gap, but remember that in the world of random assignments, anyone could be scum, in any order.  Could be three in a row.  So location in and of itself isn't an alignment tell.

If the team I made up of the players I think it is, JReggie is the weakest, and therefore the one you sacrifice.  He has a hard time looking townie ever, and he definitely loses most duels.

So don't you think that they would nominate him for the duel and have faust as a backup plan?

Nominate who?  Jreggie?  He'd lose the duel, which is worse than dying at night.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #554 on: July 26, 2016, 02:22:58 pm »

Ash, are you just saying I'm scum because I'm pushing your lynch?

Because of the way in which you are pushing.  I think you are fabricating reasons to find me scummy instead of just pointing out things that could be scummy (like, for example, igu did).

They should have told you to bus.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #555 on: July 26, 2016, 02:55:59 pm »

Also keep in mind that scum has daychat, so they might be distributing who presents which cases and such.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #556 on: July 26, 2016, 03:04:08 pm »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum
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« Reply #557 on: July 26, 2016, 03:04:50 pm »

The whole teamlyle thing is also regrettable
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #558 on: July 26, 2016, 03:07:07 pm »

The whole teamlyle thing is also regrettable
Regrettable, but he brought it on himself.
The plan was great, and he attracted votes by not supporting it.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #559 on: July 26, 2016, 03:08:09 pm »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum
The only way you could know for sure is if you're scum.....
Although I'm leaning towards agreeing with you.
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« Reply #560 on: July 26, 2016, 03:08:56 pm »

But seriously. Haven't had the chance to read all of d2, but what is the case on ashersky?
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« Reply #561 on: July 26, 2016, 03:18:01 pm »

But seriously. Haven't had the chance to read all of d2, but what is the case on ashersky?

He's being crazy just like crazy Ash in Soap Opera who had us both convinced he was town there too.
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« Reply #562 on: July 26, 2016, 03:21:26 pm »

But seriously. Haven't had the chance to read all of d2, but what is the case on ashersky?

He's being crazy just like crazy Ash in Soap Opera who had us both convinced he was town there too.

But he is not being crazy! He is making very good, well reasoned points. Even like ash is saying, there is no case on faust. The perfect player for scum to pick to duel.

Ash is a controversial and dynamic player. And scum is about to get away with his lynch. Knee jerk votes are easier against him than faust. I need to reread faust, but from what I have read d1 and (now caught up on) d2, ash is town.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #563 on: July 26, 2016, 03:22:35 pm »

Also his point about faust unvoting is spot-on. We need majority lynches without those dueling each other. Wagons are much more informative that way.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #564 on: July 26, 2016, 03:26:30 pm »

Also keep in mind that scum has daychat, so they might be distributing who presents which cases and such.

Doubt you'll believe me, but I didn't realize that.  I see it in the setup post in parentheses, though.  I think town brings this up, so this adds to my townread on gkrieg.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #565 on: July 26, 2016, 03:40:05 pm »

unvote

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #566 on: July 26, 2016, 03:55:47 pm »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum

You don't know this.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #567 on: July 26, 2016, 05:31:22 pm »

Not convinced Ash is scum. Faust is super scummy too.

It's a good duel.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #568 on: July 26, 2016, 05:49:10 pm »

Lots of stuff happened. I travelled all day and don't really feel like going into detail right now. Really this duel is coming at the most inconvenient time for me, which should already convince you that I did not choose the duel.

Expect more detailed responses tomorrow.
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« Reply #569 on: July 26, 2016, 06:20:48 pm »

Not convinced Ash is scum. Faust is super scummy too.

It's a good duel.

I say we lynch Ash and move on.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #570 on: July 27, 2016, 01:26:03 am »

Lots of stuff happened. I travelled all day and don't really feel like going into detail right now. Really this duel is coming at the most inconvenient time for me, which should already convince you that I did not choose the duel.

Expect more detailed responses tomorrow.

AtE.  Also, real life truth or lies as a scum defense is extra scummy.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #571 on: July 27, 2016, 03:19:59 am »

Also his point about faust unvoting is spot-on. We need majority lynches without those dueling each other. Wagons are much more informative that way.

So you say town participant of the duel should go in basically hated for some information in the future that would be rendered at least somewhat useless if town is lynched and conversion take place? Also suppose town player do this, scum player at L-1 and then town player posts. Even most dense of his scum buddies would see this as chance to hammer, as by this point who is scum is obvious. So only "benefits" is mesed up vote count. Can someone rebuff this?

I rate atgument about player sequncing as applied to ash as WIFOM.

That still leaves me in slight favor of lynchinh ash, but not enogh to vote just yet
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #572 on: July 27, 2016, 04:30:18 am »

Submitted my Ghoul on ash. Everyone else should do likewise (not on ash though).

Submitted on joseph

Submitted on IGG Rush.

The people who talked about Ghouling. I submitted my action, and IG didn't die, so it's very likely both of us are town. Jimmmmm and gkreig could both be bluffing and just saying it (as could I honestly).

Could you not call iguanaiguana "IG"? That abbreviation is reserved for Ichimaru Gin. You seriously had me confused there.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #573 on: July 27, 2016, 04:31:44 am »

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.

There is, in fact, a huge plan to be had.  And I have it.

Also, as is amazingly awesome, DAMA.

Faust said Ash didn't have the plan, chairs did, but Ashersky's first post is about having a plan.

Not the plan we ended up doing though. I posit that I contributed more to that happening than ashersky did.
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« Reply #574 on: July 27, 2016, 04:33:23 am »

For the record, I never claimed the ghoul plan was my own.  I'd like to see someone back up that lie.

Noone ever said you did?
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« Reply #575 on: July 27, 2016, 04:34:47 am »

Also the fact that he refused to unvote is 100% proof that I was right.  You'll see that and I'll ask that you quote this post once either of us are lynched.

Nonsense.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #576 on: July 27, 2016, 04:43:51 am »

Have you such a low opinion of me as a player?  I have the equivalent of decades of experience on you as a Mafia player.

Appeal to aothority. How nice. Everyone can screw up. Not saying you did necessarily, but that's not a good argument.

There are many examples of times when voting for conf!scum may not be the best course of action.  Sometimes you pull a Jimmmm and try to root out partners, for example.

The duel mechanic forces players to vote for town or scum.  Only scum know with certainty which they are voting for.  We only care about the two scum not in the duel.  You need to leave as many slots available for the not duel players to vote.

There are such times, I agree. This is not one of them. As I explained, scum not voting is always only holding out for a chance to quickhammer. If town gets lynched, all the reads to be had so far are worth less (in particular the town reads). All that risk for what, one more read? You can simply ask each player to take a stand before we actually do the lynching, and get the same result without the complications.

There's also the fact that the setup actual rewards mislynches by giving all remaining town a chance to be converted to the scum team and win.  So it may seem to some of the town players that the best play is actually to mislynch every time and hope to get converted.

Why would you even say that? I don't think it's good enough to be optimal play (one would have to run some numbers there), but if it was, it is certainly not good play for town!you to point it out, because a town player in a duel certainly does not want to be mislynched.
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« Reply #577 on: July 27, 2016, 04:44:51 am »

faust: once the lynch is confirmed, would you do me a favor and go ahead and thank chairs for screwing up his own plan on behalf of your partners?

Also, no need to troll after the lynch is confirmed, you can just own up to being scum.

You're being ridiculous and petty. I haven't even voted yet. I'm just doing a reread. Of course I'm going to find you scummy, from my perspective you have 50% odds of being scum.

What did that post have to do with you?

You know that if I have a 50% chance of being scum, there's another player who also have a 50% chance of being scum?

I suck at math, so someone check that for me.

Gotta agree that ii's post there did not make a ton of sense.
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« Reply #578 on: July 27, 2016, 04:46:54 am »

Would town!me be tempted to break the promise to hammer scum?  Sure.  But I wouldn't -- because why would anyone trust me after that?

 ??? Noone would need to trust you after that, because you would be dead.
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« Reply #579 on: July 27, 2016, 04:49:10 am »

But it's more the dismissive tone Faust used to completely skirt the idea -- that's a scum!faust trait every single time.  Town!faust is helpful and thoughtful.  Scum!faust is haughty and bossy.

This is just misinformation... in fact, I picked up that bossy tone as scum after a town game where it stood out (Dice Mafia I think). I did try to tone it down in the past, because it turns out people are sometimes offended by it. I don't think I have been particularly haughty or bossy in this game anyway.
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« Reply #580 on: July 27, 2016, 04:54:17 am »

1) He was fairly inactive and mostly useless on D1 (from a leadership / theory / scum hunting perspective).
2) He has his scum persona turned on.
3) He's sitting back here on D2 letting everyone else do the work for him.

1. Yeah, sorry, I was too much preoccupied with the other game.
2. Not true. But if it were, man, that's a pretty good case.
3. I'm not taking that shit. Here I am, spending time I could also spend on finishing my Master's thesis or writing applications to deal with this. I haven't been around yesterday because I was sitting in a bus for 9.5 hours with little to no internet access (I don't own a smartphone). I thought it was agreed that questioning this kind of stuff is bad form.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #581 on: July 27, 2016, 04:56:38 am »

Also, this duel auto-death thing messes with stats -- how do I count the auto-kill when you win the duel?

Well, according to the setup, the auto-kill is a substitute for scum's nightkill.
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« Reply #582 on: July 27, 2016, 04:58:32 am »

Either way before either of you are lynched, could you give us a full reads list?  Like thoughts on every person?

Can do, but it will require a reread and therefore some time.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #583 on: July 27, 2016, 05:00:17 am »

1) He was fairly inactive and mostly useless on D1 (from a leadership / theory / scum hunting perspective).
2) He has his scum persona turned on.
3) He's sitting back here on D2 letting everyone else do the work for him.

1. Yeah, sorry, I was too much preoccupied with the other game.
2. Not true. But if it were, man, that's a pretty good case.
3. I'm not taking that shit. Here I am, spending time I could also spend on finishing my Master's thesis or writing applications to deal with this. I haven't been around yesterday because I was sitting in a bus for 9.5 hours with little to no internet access (I don't own a smartphone). I thought it was agreed that questioning this kind of stuff is bad form.

Your anger at #3 is misplaced.  When I posted that, you were in fact doing what I said.  You are NOW taking action, which is a good refutation of #3, but it was valid when I posted it.  No need to take offense.

I don't think calling out inactivity is poor form.  You might say that about me calling out your other post as AtE poor form, but not this one.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #584 on: July 27, 2016, 05:00:47 am »

Also, this duel auto-death thing messes with stats -- how do I count the auto-kill when you win the duel?

Well, according to the setup, the auto-kill is a substitute for scum's nightkill.

I guess.  Maybe with an *.  I had to just make it up for Death Note Mafia, too.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #585 on: July 27, 2016, 05:02:19 am »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum

This one has advanced probability skills.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #586 on: July 27, 2016, 05:03:57 am »

But he is not being crazy! He is making very good, well reasoned points. Even like ash is saying, there is no case on faust. The perfect player for scum to pick to duel.

On which players are there cases to be made?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #587 on: July 27, 2016, 05:07:40 am »

1) He was fairly inactive and mostly useless on D1 (from a leadership / theory / scum hunting perspective).
2) He has his scum persona turned on.
3) He's sitting back here on D2 letting everyone else do the work for him.

1. Yeah, sorry, I was too much preoccupied with the other game.
2. Not true. But if it were, man, that's a pretty good case.
3. I'm not taking that shit. Here I am, spending time I could also spend on finishing my Master's thesis or writing applications to deal with this. I haven't been around yesterday because I was sitting in a bus for 9.5 hours with little to no internet access (I don't own a smartphone). I thought it was agreed that questioning this kind of stuff is bad form.

Your anger at #3 is misplaced.  When I posted that, you were in fact doing what I said.  You are NOW taking action, which is a good refutation of #3, but it was valid when I posted it.  No need to take offense.

I don't think calling out inactivity is poor form.  You might say that about me calling out your other post as AtE poor form, but not this one.

I guess. I didn't really consider that it was before I posted reasons for my inactivity. But really, in which possible world does scum!me intentionally sit back and let others do the work. On one hand I am scummy for being bossy, on the other because I'm sitting back? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #588 on: July 27, 2016, 06:53:39 am »

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I still can't decide these two. But this phrase is one I have never used as town and several times as scum.  It smacks of "wrong reasons" scum.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #589 on: July 27, 2016, 07:17:31 am »

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I still can't decide these two. But this phrase is one I have never used as town and several times as scum.  It smacks of "wrong reasons" scum.

It's a pet peeve of mine if people say "A is scummy" and "not-A is scummy" because it shows they only want to find reasons to find someone scummy rather than looking at posts to figure out if the person really is scummy.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #590 on: July 27, 2016, 07:18:05 am »

One thing is for sure though, ash cannot find me scummy for the wrong reasons.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #591 on: July 27, 2016, 08:36:23 am »

One thing is for sure though, ash cannot find me scummy for the wrong reasons.

When you are scum, all the reasons are right.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #592 on: July 27, 2016, 08:44:35 am »

- The texture of time is a whisper that echoes across the flood -

Vote Count 2.2

ashersky (3): Seprix, faust, J Reggie
faust (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (7): Haddock, e, Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, Egork, ashersky, gkrieg13

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« Reply #593 on: July 27, 2016, 09:51:42 am »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #594 on: July 27, 2016, 10:18:23 am »

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
I still can't decide these two. But this phrase is one I have never used as town and several times as scum.  It smacks of "wrong reasons" scum.

It's a pet peeve of mine if people say "A is scummy" and "not-A is scummy" because it shows they only want to find reasons to find someone scummy rather than looking at posts to figure out if the person really is scummy.
I agree in general. If I had the time to read you properly I would. And I will get there. Meanwhile I give what I can. And that comment did stand out as scummy.
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« Reply #595 on: July 27, 2016, 10:40:57 am »

Also his point about faust unvoting is spot-on. We need majority lynches without those dueling each other. Wagons are much more informative that way.

So you say town participant of the duel should go in basically hated for some information in the future that would be rendered at least somewhat useless if town is lynched and conversion take place? Also suppose town player do this, scum player at L-1 and then town player posts. Even most dense of his scum buddies would see this as chance to hammer, as by this point who is scum is obvious. So only "benefits" is mesed up vote count. Can someone rebuff this?

I rate atgument about player sequncing as applied to ash as WIFOM.

That still leaves me in slight favor of lynchinh ash, but not enogh to vote just yet

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #596 on: July 27, 2016, 11:32:56 am »

Yeah, Faust's answers seem reasonable, but they also seem to come from scum!Faust. Maybe this isn't as open/shut as I first assumed.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #597 on: July 27, 2016, 12:25:51 pm »

Also his point about faust unvoting is spot-on. We need majority lynches without those dueling each other. Wagons are much more informative that way.

So you say town participant of the duel should go in basically hated for some information in the future that would be rendered at least somewhat useless if town is lynched and conversion take place? Also suppose town player do this, scum player at L-1 and then town player posts. Even most dense of his scum buddies would see this as chance to hammer, as by this point who is scum is obvious. So only "benefits" is mesed up vote count. Can someone rebuff this?

I rate atgument about player sequncing as applied to ash as WIFOM.

That still leaves me in slight favor of lynchinh ash, but not enogh to vote just yet

Ash, care to answer this?

I guess I disagree with your premise.  The idea that the town player in a duel is hated seems off.  If anything, they are both "hated" since you can assume that the opposition in the duel is clearly voting for them.

I think it is better to think of it as making both players Loved.  They each take one more player to lynch than usual.  So if it's 6 to lynch, one vote is already in place (duel opponent), so it only takes 5, which is Hated.  By saying that auto-vote from the opponent isn't cast, we are making 7 players vote for a player.

You are right in the sense that if town is at L-1, the scum just hammers, so the plan is somewhat negated.  But I do think there is value in seeing scum get to L-1 and the town duel opponent NOT hammering right away.  If scum quick hammers their partner at that point, well, that's pointing out who scum is.  That is helpful to town.

So I guess I disagree or don't understand your point here.  I want scum other than Faust to have to vote for me to get me lynched.  At the very least, I want scum to have to vote.  By reducing the number of votes required to lynch by one, that becomes less likely.  So, duelists shouldn't vote.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #598 on: July 27, 2016, 12:43:05 pm »

Also his point about faust unvoting is spot-on. We need majority lynches without those dueling each other. Wagons are much more informative that way.

So you say town participant of the duel should go in basically hated for some information in the future that would be rendered at least somewhat useless if town is lynched and conversion take place? Also suppose town player do this, scum player at L-1 and then town player posts. Even most dense of his scum buddies would see this as chance to hammer, as by this point who is scum is obvious. So only "benefits" is mesed up vote count. Can someone rebuff this?

I rate atgument about player sequncing as applied to ash as WIFOM.

That still leaves me in slight favor of lynchinh ash, but not enogh to vote just yet

Ash, care to answer this?

I guess I disagree with your premise.  The idea that the town player in a duel is hated seems off.  If anything, they are both "hated" since you can assume that the opposition in the duel is clearly voting for them.

I think it is better to think of it as making both players Loved.  They each take one more player to lynch than usual.  So if it's 6 to lynch, one vote is already in place (duel opponent), so it only takes 5, which is Hated.  By saying that auto-vote from the opponent isn't cast, we are making 7 players vote for a player.

You are right in the sense that if town is at L-1, the scum just hammers, so the plan is somewhat negated.  But I do think there is value in seeing scum get to L-1 and the town duel opponent NOT hammering right away.  If scum quick hammers their partner at that point, well, that's pointing out who scum is.  That is helpful to town.

So I guess I disagree or don't understand your point here.  I want scum other than Faust to have to vote for me to get me lynched.  At the very least, I want scum to have to vote.  By reducing the number of votes required to lynch by one, that becomes less likely.  So, duelists shouldn't vote.

Wouldn't scum just self-hammer at that point?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #599 on: July 27, 2016, 12:44:43 pm »

Gkreig is right. Scum would just hammer and bus their partner, and try again.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #600 on: July 27, 2016, 12:53:33 pm »

faust: once the lynch is confirmed, would you do me a favor and go ahead and thank chairs for screwing up his own plan on behalf of your partners?

Also, no need to troll after the lynch is confirmed, you can just own up to being scum.

You're being ridiculous and petty. I haven't even voted yet. I'm just doing a reread. Of course I'm going to find you scummy, from my perspective you have 50% odds of being scum.

What did that post have to do with you?

You know that if I have a 50% chance of being scum, there's another player who also have a 50% chance of being scum?

I suck at math, so someone check that for me.

Gotta agree that ii's post there did not make a ton of sense.


I think I just quoted the wrong post. I meant to quote the post where Ash self-voted.
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« Reply #601 on: July 27, 2016, 12:53:52 pm »

Vote: Faust

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« Reply #602 on: July 27, 2016, 01:03:57 pm »

Vote: Faust

Time to make the hard choice

I'm still inclined to vote Ash.
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« Reply #603 on: July 27, 2016, 02:01:41 pm »

Vote: Faust

Time to make the hard choice

It's the wrong choice though.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #604 on: July 27, 2016, 02:04:44 pm »

There will be a reread. With my reads on people. Hopefully laer today. But well, we still have quite some time left until the deadline.

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« Reply #605 on: July 27, 2016, 04:15:09 pm »

I always feel bad lynching Ash, because it's so popular. I always feel good lynching you, because it's so unpopular.

In this case, where the two of you have both had such similar play, I count on the scum WIFOM to land on "Let's put a popular, hard to lynch player up against an unpopular, easy to lynch player who will probably say something really provocative."

In other words, pure meta, and mafia hipster reasons.

If it helps, I feel awful voting for either of you.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #606 on: July 27, 2016, 05:16:53 pm »

You just seemed scummier in your defense.
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« Reply #607 on: July 27, 2016, 05:24:30 pm »

Right. Let's do a reread. All this presupposes that ash is scum, because well he is.

Joseph claims scum. Really I thik more likely a scum move. He also names ash and me as his scum buddies. One off, one on? Sounds legit.

Jimmmmm thinks ash and I are scum together because I said we weren't. Well look at that. I think minor townpoints for Jimmmmm though.

ash has a strong townread on Jimmmmm. That says nothing for now, but you know, noted for later. (By the way, note that ash says "That was not in my PM" with regards to Ghoul powers. But PMs were just links. Only later he corrects to QT.) He immediately reverses his read on Jimmmmm. What does this say? I think it says that the contfrontation wasn't planned, and thus Jimmmmm is likely town. Which means ash was the intended scum kill. Interesting.

ash has a town read on Jimmmmm and J Reggie. If Jimmmmm is indeed town, I would think that J Reggie is scum. These are the only two reads ash has at that point, and thus one is likely on a scumpartner.

gkrieg goes after Jimmmmm. His reasoning was actually decent I thought. Mild town.

I don't like that e diagrees and says we should give reads lists, but doesn't actually push that. It's the faintest of scumreads.

Also, look here! I provided the final piece of the plan:
It is still one guaranteed scum NK if we do the plan.  It fails if anyone uses their power on a different night or outside the plan.  I think we should do it N1.

I would assume that scum can no-kill.

Except they cannot:

The Mafia NK is compulsory. A town-player will be randomized if no choice was submitted.

Well, then let's do it. Looks super-broken, but I guess them's the rules.
How towny is that? (Okay, not very.)

ash votes Egor out of nowhere. Hum.

Town again on gkrieg for tunneling Jimmmmm.

Seprix is weird. Not sure yet if that is alignment-indicative. But the way he argues against the plan is a bit scummy. I mean it's not so great for scum to argue against it because it's obviously good, but I could see scum!Seprix doing it.

And then gkrieg backs off his Jimmmm read after he explains. I'm telling you, this guy is town.

Also don't like Seprix arguing with teamlyle as if he knows that he's town. More scum points.

I think at the point where ash puts teamlyle to L-3, other scum would be afraid to joi the wagon. Haddock says he thinks teamlyle is town after that. Mild scum.

ashersky switches from teamlyle to Joseph, putting both at three votes. Bold move if Joseph/ash are partners.

Egor has some towny posts.

Haddock tries to figure out a coin flip hack. Some town points are in order, even if it doesn't work.

Joseph joins the teamlyle wagon, ash puts him to L-1. Coordination? That is probably too tinfoil-y.

iguana say "No idea why we lynch teamlyle, but the wagon is good". That's a towny statement.

Seprix does not want to hammer teamlyle. Scummish caution.

That's D1. I don't think there is a whole lot to be seen from D2. I will just look at the ash wagon at peak:

gkrieg13, Seprix, faust, J Reggie, ashersky

Naturallly, all those people are less likely to be scum. Well except ash. On the other hand, maybe scum was on it and that's why ash self-voted. Meh.

Overall, let me group my reads, town to scum:

gkrieg
Jimmmmm
Egor
iguana
Haddock
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J Reggie
Seprix
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« Reply #608 on: July 27, 2016, 05:25:38 pm »

You just seemed scummier in your defense.

You're not giving me a whole lot to work with :(
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« Reply #609 on: July 27, 2016, 05:32:37 pm »

You just seemed scummier in your defense.

You're not giving me a whole lot to work with :(

That's partially on purpose.

Mainly it's just the feel of your defense earlier.  This last defense is a little better.  I'll really have to look over today again and maybe even read a past scum game of yours to get a real feel, but it seems to me like you are acting more like scum!faust.
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« Reply #610 on: July 27, 2016, 05:44:45 pm »

Been busy today, sorry.
Tomorrow will be catching up day for this.
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« Reply #611 on: July 27, 2016, 06:54:07 pm »

In Faust's re-read he says I vote Egor out of nowhere.  Just want to point out he skips over my prod request of Egor, which relates. 
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« Reply #612 on: July 27, 2016, 08:35:24 pm »

So I don't really know what to think here. My gut still tells me ash is scum, but I see him finding me scummy as more likely to come from town. But I honestly can't see Faust as town here.

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« Reply #613 on: July 27, 2016, 08:36:40 pm »

So I don't really know what to think here. My gut still tells me ash is scum, but I see him finding me scummy as more likely to come from town. But I honestly can't see Faust as scum here.

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« Reply #614 on: July 27, 2016, 08:37:42 pm »

Wait did I do that right? Now the words town and scum are starting to look the same to me. I need a minute.

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« Reply #615 on: July 27, 2016, 08:42:49 pm »

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« Reply #616 on: July 28, 2016, 06:57:46 am »

Well, I'll go with my read then
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« Reply #617 on: July 28, 2016, 08:31:47 am »

Just reread the whole game.
Can't do a post by post on my phone but I came to
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« Reply #618 on: July 28, 2016, 09:14:58 am »

I really don't know what I can do to convince you. Everyone's just giving feelings and noone can point to actual scummy things I've done. I guess part of that is that we're still very much at the start of the game... but this is wrong, and it will put us in a bad spot.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #619 on: July 28, 2016, 09:16:32 am »

Also this was L-2, which is really L-1 because ash is not voting. Just be careful what you do from here on.
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« Reply #620 on: July 28, 2016, 09:25:15 am »

Also this was L-2, which is really L-1 because ash is not voting. Just be careful what you do from here on.

Seems awful nervous and self-aware there.
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« Reply #621 on: July 28, 2016, 01:09:58 pm »

So on a quick reread I've noticed this:

ash seems to be calm & collecting in his posting
faust seems to be very defensive & self-conscious

That's leaning me towards faust being scum.
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« Reply #623 on: July 28, 2016, 01:31:26 pm »

Sorry, work has been super busy. Will do a better reread son and post stuff
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« Reply #624 on: July 28, 2016, 02:07:28 pm »

faust D1:

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.
Really? There wasn't a plan to be found? With hindsight this seems scummy, since there was a clever plan to be had.

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
True enough.

It is still one guaranteed scum NK if we do the plan.  It fails if anyone uses their power on a different night or outside the plan.  I think we should do it N1.

I would assume that scum can no-kill.

Except they cannot:

The Mafia NK is compulsory. A town-player will be randomized if no choice was submitted.

Well, then let's do it. Looks super-broken, but I guess them's the rules.
Interesting that faust thought there was a no kill option available, town probably look at the setup a bit less, so minor town points.

I may have to retract that townread on ash sadly... something just doesn't add up. He claims to have thought about this setup for a bit, yet he didn't know there are only 1-shot ghouls. If scum!ash had the town PM available, I could see him going for this kind of fake.

Meh.
So neither ash or faust has read the setup properly. Guess that nulls the minor town read above.

I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.
Ash wanted to do the N1 plan before faust did, so ash seems townier from this.

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.
No, just no.

I don't know. This game is weird. Do people seriously believe that it's good to not give reads? Because that is bullshit.
We had this discussion in thread (#313-319), and I disagree.

Vote: Seprix

This as well. Should I hammer you?

You'll have to wait until I'm less tired and less drunk.

+1. Though as he unvoted himself he is at L-2 now

You're right. Vote: teamlyle
Late onto the mislynch, but the vote helps it happen.

Overall, I'm fairly sure faust is scum.
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« Reply #625 on: July 28, 2016, 02:36:54 pm »

ash D1:

Hi. I would like to have a plan. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one to be had.

There is, in fact, a huge plan to be had.  And I have it.

Also, as is amazingly awesome, DAMA.
First post, and a towny post- would be townier if he'd actually given reasons though.

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?
Agree with this- both the no reads and the plan.

Someone should check it to be sure.  But I think that's right.

Scum ought to be super angry in their QT right now.  Can't we just do this every night and win?
Not read the setup properly- null since faust also didn't read setup properly at another point.
Although mine doesn't say 1-shot either, and nor did teamlyle's.

Also, I'm a mason.  My partner will confirm.
Non-serious post. Minorly towny, since scum tend to be more serious.

I almost feel bad about the plan since it's one guaranteed mafia nk. It does limit us later in the game since we won't have any PR though, but I still think it's probably worth it.

If we can lynch properly today that puts us in a great spot.

Don't feel bad -- it's no worse than your perfect vigging in that game with the Chinese warriors in it.

Also, our PR kind of sucks horribly, so using it to guarantee a mafia dies is pretty awesome.
Agree with most of this. We found a loophole, and should have been able to exploit it.

You know, can't really say since we aren't doing readslists this game.  I seriously have no clue what I am going to do.  Not doing readslists is fun and exciting and different.  But tough.

We're co-ordinating the Ghoul powers, so the reason to not do reads lists is null and void anyway.

This is right.

Reads list!

1. Dune
2. 1Q84
3. Age of Myth
4. Othello
Again, non-serious post.

That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
Scumponts for Jimmmmmm for earning townpoints.

faust is strangely absent.  He's usually the top in post numbers.  Iguana/Haddock/Joseph are in the sweet acti-lurking scum slots.

vote: joseph
Encouraging posting is good.
Voting for me, not so much.

vote: teamlyle

L-1
Earlier vote on the mislynch than faust. I'm leaning towards town for that, as teamlyle was anti-town for not wanting to follow plan.


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« Reply #626 on: July 28, 2016, 03:00:09 pm »

The D2 content hasn't given me much- a serious of long arguments.

Nothing much here says faust is towny.
And not a lot says ash is scummy.

Therefore, Intent to effectively hammer (if I vote, it's L-1 on faust, and ash could then just hammer).
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« Reply #627 on: July 28, 2016, 03:25:07 pm »

For reference, here's where we are right now.  Helpful to look at the wagons.

ashersky (4): Seprix, faust, J Reggie, EgorK
faust (4): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguana, Haddock

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« Reply #628 on: July 28, 2016, 03:29:30 pm »

- Dum dadalum dididum darumlum tidarum -

Vote Count 2.3

ashersky (4): Seprix, faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (4): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock

Not Voting (3): e, Joseph2302, ashersky

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« Reply #629 on: July 28, 2016, 04:55:47 pm »

There is that whole metagame where Faust is towny versus Ash can be seen as an easy scum matchup. Hmmm... I'm going to take a big risk here, and question my gut read.

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« Reply #630 on: July 28, 2016, 05:07:08 pm »

You made the right call.  I'm town.

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« Reply #631 on: July 28, 2016, 05:08:03 pm »

You made the right call.  I'm town.

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« Reply #632 on: July 28, 2016, 05:08:30 pm »

Oddly enough, I suspect 2.7 a lot right now.  He came in as a huge supporter of me in this duel, but didn't vote either way.  I hate to go against someone who says nice things about me, but that just strikes me as odd.

He really seemed sure as soon as he logged on that there was no way I was scum (he was right).  But 2.7 is generally a bold enough player that I think he follows that up with a vote right away and says "and now to re-read" or something like that.
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« Reply #633 on: July 28, 2016, 05:09:36 pm »

I think Jreggie and 2.7 work well as faust's partners.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #634 on: July 28, 2016, 05:13:32 pm »

Reads:

Towny: gkrieg, igu
Scummy: JReggie, 2.7, EgorK
Unsure: sep, haddock, joseph, Jimmmm

Jimmmm was towny for awhile, now not so sure.  Sep/Haddock/Joseph are all in the same zone for me, playing pretty well if scum, but definitely possible.  Joseph's post-hammer switch is...odd.  I like the amount of thought all three put into this duel though.

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« Reply #635 on: July 28, 2016, 05:15:07 pm »

On why I hammered...I know I went on and on about not hammering, but almost everyone was voting by then and to be honest, whoever pointed out that it is optimum town play to ensure scum is lynched was right.

So I hammered.  Plus, stats!

Also, I was already thinking about how 2.7 was looking suspicious (don't let him argue he was just waiting to get to hammer or something).  Joseph had weighed in a few times already, and he unvoted me, I think.
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« Reply #636 on: July 28, 2016, 05:15:56 pm »

Also, to the players, enjoyable return to mafia after the haitus.  Still expecting to play much less than I used to, but will appreciate the win here, so keep up the good work, town.

Basically just treat this as a vanilla game now.  Find the scumz!
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« Reply #637 on: July 28, 2016, 05:17:24 pm »

Remember, there's no N2 since we got it right, so it's now about finding another scum -- no conversions or anything.  Basically, you get two lynches in a row--make it count!

On N3, they'll need to duel again.  They'll still have the choice of who duels, so keep that in mind. 
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« Reply #638 on: July 28, 2016, 05:17:44 pm »

And I truly did just have a huge brain fart on the 1-shot thing.
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« Reply #639 on: July 28, 2016, 05:18:15 pm »

And where is everyone for the twilight talk?

My "I told you so" list was trashed, too.
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« Reply #640 on: July 28, 2016, 05:18:46 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

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« Reply #641 on: July 28, 2016, 05:22:43 pm »

ashersky has won the duel! He was Town.

faust and ashersky are now dead and may no longer post.

Day 3 start!

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« Reply #642 on: July 28, 2016, 05:22:59 pm »

WOW.
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« Reply #643 on: July 28, 2016, 05:23:51 pm »

Yeah, Ashersky was just such an easy target, and there was nothing inherently wrong with Faust that I could see. I got over my initial revulsion and gave it a second look. It made total sense to pit town!Ash against towny Faust.
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« Reply #644 on: July 28, 2016, 05:24:47 pm »

On the recommendation of Ash, I will vote: e as my first call to action. I'll give him a quick read.
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« Reply #645 on: July 28, 2016, 05:25:11 pm »

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (9): e, J Reggie, Egork, Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, Joseph2302

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Vote Count 3.1

e (1): Seprix

Not Voting (8): e, J Reggie, Egork, Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Joseph2302

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« Reply #647 on: July 28, 2016, 05:28:04 pm »

By the way, I love how there is no rest period between Dueling nights.
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« Reply #648 on: July 28, 2016, 05:51:32 pm »

Joseph's post-hammer switch is...odd.
Which post-hammer switch? I had an intent to vote on faust:

The D2 content hasn't given me much- a serious of long arguments.

Nothing much here says faust is towny.
And not a lot says ash is scummy.

Therefore, Intent to effectively hammer (if I vote, it's L-1 on faust, and ash could then just hammer).

P.S. I know ash can't post a reply to this.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #649 on: July 28, 2016, 05:52:04 pm »

By the way, I love how there is no rest period between Dueling nights.

I also love this, but was looking forward to having a break.

Also: go us!
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« Reply #650 on: July 28, 2016, 05:53:16 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (7): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky, Joseph2302

Not Voting (1): e

With 11 alive, it taok 7 to lynch.

Really Joseph shouldn't be on this wagon though...  It only took 6 to lynch
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« Reply #651 on: July 28, 2016, 05:57:59 pm »

Really Joseph shouldn't be on this wagon though...  It only took 6 to lynch

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« Reply #652 on: July 28, 2016, 06:00:50 pm »

Vote: seprix

Not OMGUS, I promise. He will quickly unvote me after actually reading me, but his
Yeah, Ashersky was just such an easy target, and there was nothing inherently wrong with Faust that I could see. I got over my initial revulsion and gave it a second look. It made total sense to pit town!Ash against towny Faust.

Plus his D1 play reads scum to me
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« Reply #653 on: July 28, 2016, 06:05:39 pm »

haha I was looking at wagon positions and thought, "I think J Reggie and EgorK look pretty scummy, along with e"  then I read ash's post that says about the same.

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.
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« Reply #654 on: July 28, 2016, 06:06:19 pm »

Great stuff. 

Phew I didn't put enough thought into that really.  I just reread and got gut feels about faust being scummy.  So glad I was right.

I'm going to take some length of time off as if it were a night.  Games without night phases just knacker me out, I need a mini break.   Probably 24 hours or so.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #655 on: July 28, 2016, 06:10:12 pm »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.
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« Reply #656 on: July 28, 2016, 06:30:30 pm »

Wow I look bad  :(. Guess I can't trust my gut reads anymore.

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« Reply #657 on: July 28, 2016, 06:34:07 pm »

Ash's analysis that i usually vote is correct. One reason I didn't vote was because of all the crazy votes early on and I didn't want to join that madness.

That being said, we do need some wagon analysis, I will look at some stuff when I am on an actual computer
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« Reply #658 on: July 28, 2016, 06:34:27 pm »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

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« Reply #659 on: July 28, 2016, 06:35:55 pm »

Wow I look bad  :(. Guess I can't trust my gut reads anymore.

The problem with your gut reads is that they were actually made from an informed scum perspective.
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« Reply #660 on: July 28, 2016, 06:50:02 pm »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

How so?

Think of it this way. Why conspicuously jump off and just magically change my mind through some gut read? Why not build some pseudo-case? There were plenty of those done. I'm not a lazy scum player. In addition, what did bussing Faust give me if I was scum? Nothing. It only gets people looking in my direction. If I stuck with my Ashersky read, nobody would have batted an eye.
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« Reply #661 on: July 28, 2016, 06:50:41 pm »

Not to mention, nobody was going to finish off Faust until I moved to vote for him.
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« Reply #662 on: July 28, 2016, 06:51:23 pm »

Reading end of the duel. Egork comes across scummy and Joseph very townie

Gkrieg also comes across slightly scummy for his progression from ash to faust.

Wouldn't be surprised by gkrieg/seprix remaining scum
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« Reply #663 on: July 28, 2016, 06:51:47 pm »

Not to mention, nobody was going to finish off Faust until I moved to vote for him.

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« Reply #664 on: July 28, 2016, 06:52:15 pm »

Not to mention, nobody was going to finish off Faust until I moved to vote for him.

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« Reply #665 on: July 28, 2016, 06:53:01 pm »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

How so?

Think of it this way. Why conspicuously jump off and just magically change my mind through some gut read? Why not build some pseudo-case? There were plenty of those done. I'm not a lazy scum player. In addition, what did bussing Faust give me if I was scum? Nothing. It only gets people looking in my direction. If I stuck with my Ashersky read, nobody would have batted an eye.

Because you guys talked about it in your daychat and decided that ash was going to win the duel. So you loudly and hesitantly switch to ash despite your gut read against him
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« Reply #666 on: July 28, 2016, 06:55:01 pm »

Not to mention, nobody was going to finish off Faust until I moved to vote for him.

False

True.

I was totally going to vote for faust, just hasn't done it yet. See previous post for why I hasn't voted. Probably would have soon, I have just been v/la and also work has been crazy so I never got a proper reread in.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #667 on: July 28, 2016, 07:16:02 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 1

Seprix (2): e, teamlyle
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
gkrieg13 (1): Haddock
Joseph2302 (1): Egork
teamlyle (7): J Reggie, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, ashersky, faust, Seprix
iguanaiguana (1): chairs

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Seprix and gkrieg also on the teamlyle mislynch. Still frustrated that teamlyle threw in the towel. Oh well.
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« Reply #668 on: July 28, 2016, 07:21:47 pm »

Reading end of the duel. Egork comes across scummy and Joseph very townie

Gkrieg also comes across slightly scummy for his progression from ash to faust.

Wouldn't be surprised by gkrieg/seprix remaining scum

How does that come off as scummy at all?
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« Reply #669 on: July 28, 2016, 07:22:47 pm »

vote: e

If you don't get lynched today, I hope you choose to duel me
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« Reply #670 on: July 28, 2016, 07:24:07 pm »

Not to mention, nobody was going to finish off Faust until I moved to vote for him.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #671 on: July 28, 2016, 07:31:06 pm »

Off the top of my head:

gkrieg13-scummier. On the teamlyle mislynch and scummy movement off Faust and onto ashersky in the duel
Joseph2302-town. 98% certainty
Haddock- townie (ish). Doesn't seem to have a huge footprint in the game, but maybe because others are stealing the spotlight. He plays a good scum game, but leaning town for now
e-IC
Egork- always a bit difficult to tell. Votes ashersky fairly late in the day, had he done it earlier could very well have lynched ash. Off wagon D1, slight scum lean.
J Reggie - scummy. Self aware scummy type. Plus posts from d1 and such.
Seprix- scummy. I can compile a case in one post later, by for now you can read the d3 dialogue and make the educated decision and vote seprix
iguanaiguana-  had iguana as scum d1, not as confident in that read. Lands him in the nullish category.
Jimmmmm- townie. his d1 leans strongly town in my opinion. Didn't do anything to change that d2
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #672 on: July 28, 2016, 07:33:35 pm »

vote: e

If you don't get lynched today, I hope you choose to duel me

This is what you call an OMGUS read. Notice the general lack of content along with a strong-seeming read. Classic OMGUS.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #673 on: July 28, 2016, 07:40:05 pm »

Ash, you should really unvote yourself.

Also, this is very townie by iguana.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #674 on: July 28, 2016, 07:42:54 pm »

Why was my switch from ash to Faust scummy?  And how was being on the teamlyle mislynch scummy?  He basically claimed scum so I voted for him
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« Reply #675 on: July 28, 2016, 07:43:32 pm »

Reading end of the duel. Egork comes across scummy and Joseph very townie

Gkrieg also comes across slightly scummy for his progression from ash to faust.

Wouldn't be surprised by gkrieg/seprix remaining scum

How does that come off as scummy at all?

Coming out gung-ho against ashersky without explaining, adding explanation later. Then ash posts some stuff defending him. I come out strong for ash. People start shifting over. Scum needed a short duel with a quick death to win there, and you realized (along with your scum buddy seprix) that faust was going to lose. So you shift over to the winning duel
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« Reply #676 on: July 28, 2016, 07:47:37 pm »

Reading end of the duel. Egork comes across scummy and Joseph very townie

Gkrieg also comes across slightly scummy for his progression from ash to faust.

Wouldn't be surprised by gkrieg/seprix remaining scum

How does that come off as scummy at all?

Coming out gung-ho against ashersky without explaining, adding explanation later. Then ash posts some stuff defending him. I come out strong for ash. People start shifting over. Scum needed a short duel with a quick death to win there, and you realized (along with your scum buddy seprix) that faust was going to lose. So you shift over to the winning duel

Ya, second person on the wagon, I could see that faust was going to lose at that point...

Is that really all you have on me?  Like obviously I went off on ashersky, because he was there and I wanted to get a read on him.  Ash didn't give any good reasons why faust was scum, which was scummy.  Really faust was just worse at answering questions and was super defensive.

There was no explanation at the beginning.  When you have a duel D2, you want to grill both people until they mess up.  When you only have two people to lynch from, when you know it isn't one person, you know it is the other.  So coming out swinging is a great strategy. 
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« Reply #677 on: July 28, 2016, 07:48:28 pm »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Well... anyone said something about "Seprix hasn't done anything batshit crazy yet"? There you go.

Also Seprix is more likely town with this. I can vote: e instead.
He'd done other crazy stuff between me saying that and just now: hence my earlier post saying I didn't want to vote him.  ;)  seriously, weird-shit!Seprix is town!Seprix. He's like RR in that sense, but a different kind of weird.

And yeah, gkrieg, lyle's comment was totally obvious and not remotely antitown. Your misunderstanding of it feels intentional. vote: gkrieg
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« Reply #678 on: July 28, 2016, 07:58:55 pm »

And yeah, gkrieg, lyle's comment was totally obvious and not remotely antitown. Your misunderstanding of it feels intentional. vote: gkrieg

I guess I understand it now looking back over it.  When he was so down-trodden, it really did seem like he had just given up.

I'm not sure I understand how a misunderstanding of that post warrants a vote.  Like even if it was deliberate, how would that be scummy?

I still think he is scum that felt like he was caught after he was under some pressure.

Still forced. Tunnels teamlyle from here to the lynch.
Why was my switch from ash to Faust scummy?  And how was being on the teamlyle mislynch scummy?  He basically claimed scum so I voted for him

Trying to rewrite how the whole lynch went down is scummy. Gkrieg voted teamlyle for this:
Oh man you're right. Sorry I just got confused by this post

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That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Okay, there's no way I'm not getting lynched now. vote: teamlyle

Could you guys please tell me what I could've done better besides messing this up though? I'd appreciate it, thanks.

Then tunnels him. Teamlyle didn't claim scum until the very end. And this fits exactly in with gkrieg's previous read:
On first read teamlyle also felt pretty scummy, but reading back through, he just seems like newish town.

But then a self-vote provides gkrieg enough to vote and tunnel until newplayer!lyle implodes and claims scum.

I almost like voting gkrieg more than seprix right now.
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« Reply #679 on: July 29, 2016, 04:27:44 am »

Ok, good thing we won, bad thing my read was off

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« Reply #680 on: July 29, 2016, 05:45:14 am »

Well done Town, I was in the ash Town camp so sorry I didn't help that happen more.

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« Reply #681 on: July 29, 2016, 09:32:21 am »

Please, a case.

Seprix is voting me because ashersky grew suspicious of me and scum!seprix wants an easy way to justify his mislynching me.

Gkrieg is voting me because OMGUS

Not sure why jimmmmm is voting me other than wagons are cool.
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« Reply #682 on: July 29, 2016, 11:21:53 am »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

How so?

Think of it this way. Why conspicuously jump off and just magically change my mind through some gut read? Why not build some pseudo-case? There were plenty of those done. I'm not a lazy scum player. In addition, what did bussing Faust give me if I was scum? Nothing. It only gets people looking in my direction. If I stuck with my Ashersky read, nobody would have batted an eye.

Because you guys talked about it in your daychat and decided that ash was going to win the duel. So you loudly and hesitantly switch to ash despite your gut read against him

So your argument is *because daychat!* Well, I claim you said that because of the daychat!
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« Reply #683 on: July 29, 2016, 11:53:21 am »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

How so?

Think of it this way. Why conspicuously jump off and just magically change my mind through some gut read? Why not build some pseudo-case? There were plenty of those done. I'm not a lazy scum player. In addition, what did bussing Faust give me if I was scum? Nothing. It only gets people looking in my direction. If I stuck with my Ashersky read, nobody would have batted an eye.

Because you guys talked about it in your daychat and decided that ash was going to win the duel. So you loudly and hesitantly switch to ash despite your gut read against him

So your argument is *because daychat!* Well, I claim you said that because of the daychat!

No, my reasoning is that you figured out Ash was going to win so you switched because at the time all the scum were on him. The daychat portion really just is about the timing and how that went down, not the realization that your duel was losing
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« Reply #684 on: July 29, 2016, 12:00:58 pm »

Why on earth would I assume Ash was going to win? Why not just sit tight where I was? Nobody would 'suspect' me as scum if I stayed put. My switch was way too open and flashy. I mean, I'm getting shit for lynching scum. Ludicrous.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #685 on: July 29, 2016, 12:51:59 pm »

Why on earth would I assume Ash was going to win? Why not just sit tight where I was? Nobody would 'suspect' me as scum if I stayed put. My switch was way too open and flashy. I mean, I'm getting shit for lynching scum. Ludicrous.

No, lynching scum is good. Being open and flashy is what I think is scummy.

The thing is, I know scum bussed.
Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

I know I am town. I have very strong feelings Joseph is town. So unless j Reggie and egork are both scum (I dont think they both are, maybe one) then scum bussed. I think it was a relatively early bus, and I think that scum is you, seprix
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #686 on: July 29, 2016, 01:08:40 pm »

Why on earth would I assume Ash was going to win? Why not just sit tight where I was? Nobody would 'suspect' me as scum if I stayed put. My switch was way too open and flashy. I mean, I'm getting shit for lynching scum. Ludicrous.

No, lynching scum is good. Being open and flashy is what I think is scummy.

The thing is, I know scum bussed.
Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

I know I am town. I have very strong feelings Joseph is town. So unless j Reggie and egork are both scum (I dont think they both are, maybe one) then scum bussed. I think it was a relatively early bus, and I think that scum is you, seprix

Wait but you're voting for me.  So you think that Seprix and me both bussed faust, and that J Reggie and EgorK are both town?  Really?

Like if me and Seprix stay on the ashersky wagon, we make the wagons 5-4 in ash's favor.  Why would we ever switch off that wagon?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #687 on: July 29, 2016, 02:52:14 pm »

Why on earth would I assume Ash was going to win? Why not just sit tight where I was? Nobody would 'suspect' me as scum if I stayed put. My switch was way too open and flashy. I mean, I'm getting shit for lynching scum. Ludicrous.

No, lynching scum is good. Being open and flashy is what I think is scummy.

The thing is, I know scum bussed.
Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

I know I am town. I have very strong feelings Joseph is town. So unless j Reggie and egork are both scum (I dont think they both are, maybe one) then scum bussed. I think it was a relatively early bus, and I think that scum is you, seprix

Wait but you're voting for me.  So you think that Seprix and me both bussed faust, and that J Reggie and EgorK are both town?  Really?

Like if me and Seprix stay on the ashersky wagon, we make the wagons 5-4 in ash's favor.  Why would we ever switch off that wagon?

I am voting seprix
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« Reply #688 on: July 29, 2016, 02:56:44 pm »

Why on earth would I assume Ash was going to win? Why not just sit tight where I was? Nobody would 'suspect' me as scum if I stayed put. My switch was way too open and flashy. I mean, I'm getting shit for lynching scum. Ludicrous.

No, lynching scum is good. Being open and flashy is what I think is scummy.

The thing is, I know scum bussed.
Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

I know I am town. I have very strong feelings Joseph is town. So unless j Reggie and egork are both scum (I dont think they both are, maybe one) then scum bussed. I think it was a relatively early bus, and I think that scum is you, seprix

Wait but you're voting for me.  So you think that Seprix and me both bussed faust, and that J Reggie and EgorK are both town?  Really?

Like if me and Seprix stay on the ashersky wagon, we make the wagons 5-4 in ash's favor.  Why would we ever switch off that wagon?

I am voting seprix

I see.  Totally missed that part
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #689 on: July 29, 2016, 07:08:56 pm »

I fulfilled my lifelong mafia dream of lynching scum!Faust as town. I'm retiring now.
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« Reply #690 on: July 29, 2016, 07:19:43 pm »

I don't trust Jim. Let's not trust Jim.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #691 on: July 29, 2016, 08:59:54 pm »

And yeah, gkrieg, lyle's comment was totally obvious and not remotely antitown. Your misunderstanding of it feels intentional. vote: gkrieg

I guess I understand it now looking back over it.  When he was so down-trodden, it really did seem like he had just given up.

I'm not sure I understand how a misunderstanding of that post warrants a vote.  Like even if it was deliberate, how would that be scummy?

I still think he is scum that felt like he was caught after he was under some pressure.

Still forced. Tunnels teamlyle from here to the lynch.
Why was my switch from ash to Faust scummy?  And how was being on the teamlyle mislynch scummy?  He basically claimed scum so I voted for him

Trying to rewrite how the whole lynch went down is scummy. Gkrieg voted teamlyle for this:
Oh man you're right. Sorry I just got confused by this post

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That's fine.  Your QT says 1-shot and mine doesn't?  Willing to die for that, no problem.

Vote: ashersky

Okay, there's no way I'm not getting lynched now. vote: teamlyle

Could you guys please tell me what I could've done better besides messing this up though? I'd appreciate it, thanks.

Then tunnels him. Teamlyle didn't claim scum until the very end. And this fits exactly in with gkrieg's previous read:
On first read teamlyle also felt pretty scummy, but reading back through, he just seems like newish town.

But then a self-vote provides gkrieg enough to vote and tunnel until newplayer!lyle implodes and claims scum.

I almost like voting gkrieg more than seprix right now.

I don't think tunneling a new player is scummy.  I wanted to give him some pressure, and I really thought the part where he asked for advice on what he could do differently was asking for advice on how to be scum better.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #692 on: July 29, 2016, 09:04:59 pm »

Please, a case.

Seprix is voting me because ashersky grew suspicious of me and scum!seprix wants an easy way to justify his mislynching me.

Gkrieg is voting me because OMGUS

Not sure why jimmmmm is voting me other than wagons are cool.

Partially I'm voting for you because of the way you came out against me today.  You also haven't been as present as you normally are, you spend a lot of time saying that we shouldn't do reads lists, and you claim multiple times that ash is town, but don't vote for faust.  That looks like you pushing for ash to win the duel without actually voting to help him win the duel.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #693 on: July 29, 2016, 09:13:56 pm »

- He grows in public stature as he sheds his loneliness and often his work deteriorates. -

Vote Count 3.2

Seprix (1): e
e (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Haddock, Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, J Reggie, Egork

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #694 on: July 29, 2016, 11:11:40 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 1

Seprix (2): e, teamlyle
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
gkrieg13 (1): Haddock
Joseph2302 (1): Egork
teamlyle (7): J Reggie, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, ashersky, faust, Seprix
iguanaiguana (1): chairs

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

The teamlyle murderers: J Reggie, Gkrieg, Joseph, Seprix. Good chance another scum's in there somewhere.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #695 on: July 29, 2016, 11:15:22 pm »

Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Diehards on team kill Ashersky: J Reggie, EgorK.

Final people on team kill Faust: Jim, Gkrieg, Haddock, Seprix, me.

Did it ever really look inevitable that Faust was losing this duel? I don't think so. I'd say scum wants

Joseph and e don't bother to vote.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #696 on: July 29, 2016, 11:16:56 pm »

Literally didn't finish a thought in there:

I'd say scum wants to stay on the Ashersky wagon as long as they have hope. So I guess a good chance of a scum between EgorK and J Reggie. Hm.

J Reggie is on the mislynch D1, on the mislynch D2. That doesn't look good.

That warrants a J Reggie reread. But not tonight. No time.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #697 on: July 30, 2016, 05:15:21 pm »

Anymore thoughts from anyone? I would be willing to explore a J Reggie lynch
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #698 on: July 30, 2016, 06:33:30 pm »

Anymore thoughts from anyone? I would be willing to explore a J Reggie lynch
Same.
On the mislynch, and was also voting ash not faust.
The only one doing both of these things- seems suspicious.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #699 on: July 30, 2016, 06:54:32 pm »

e did not even vote. Come on, that's incredibly scummy! He doesn't want to stand out, and he didn't want to bus his partner.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #700 on: July 31, 2016, 12:16:22 am »

Still waiting for seprix to back up his vote with something. Anything.

Oh wait, I am scum because I didn't rush to end the duel 6 days before the deadline. Yep, got me. Guilty as charged. Well, guilty of not voting. Totally not scum. I will throw together an organized post compiling why seprix is scum soon I hope.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #701 on: July 31, 2016, 04:18:43 am »

e did not even vote. Come on, that's incredibly scummy! He doesn't want to stand out, and he didn't want to bus his partner.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #702 on: July 31, 2016, 10:37:02 am »

Still waiting for seprix to back up his vote with something. Anything.

Oh wait, I am scum because I didn't rush to end the duel 6 days before the deadline. Yep, got me. Guilty as charged. Well, guilty of not voting. Totally not scum. I will throw together an organized post compiling why seprix is scum soon I hope.

This sounds like scum e.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #703 on: July 31, 2016, 10:54:57 am »

Seprix and gkrieg both look bad to me.  gkrieg slightly worse maybe.
vote: gkrieg

I don't remember finding Reggie scummy this game, but he plays a great scum game so I'm willing to explore that option I guess.

Still waiting for seprix to back up his vote with something. Anything.

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Agreed.

This sounds like scum e.
Agreed.  I don't get a scum vibe from him in general though.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #704 on: July 31, 2016, 11:17:56 am »

Seprix and gkrieg both look bad to me.  gkrieg slightly worse maybe.
vote: gkrieg

I don't remember finding Reggie scummy this game, but he plays a great scum game so I'm willing to explore that option I guess.

Still waiting for seprix to back up his vote with something. Anything.

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Agreed.

This sounds like scum e.
Agreed.  I don't get a scum vibe from him in general though.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #705 on: July 31, 2016, 11:39:49 am »

My read on gkrieg has actually cooled a good bit since I posted my first little "case" thing against him.  His reaction to stuff from today I think has been fairly indicative of town!gkrieg a lot more than scum!gkrieg.

Anyway, I will look more into that as necessary, but for now, while I have time, rereading Seprix.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #706 on: July 31, 2016, 11:44:05 am »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #707 on: July 31, 2016, 11:49:05 am »

Gkrieg seems like a town.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #708 on: July 31, 2016, 11:52:30 am »

Wait looking at the player order, doesn't Jimmmm like have to be scum?  With chairs dying and ashersky being the dueler like Jimmmm has to be scum
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« Reply #709 on: July 31, 2016, 11:54:27 am »

Seems legit.

Definitely town Gkrieg.
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« Reply #710 on: July 31, 2016, 11:55:08 am »

Wait looking at the player order, doesn't Jimmmm like have to be scum?  With chairs dying and ashersky being the dueler like Jimmmm has to be scum
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #711 on: July 31, 2016, 11:56:44 am »

I guess this could have been planned in order to mess with our heads.  You set up a backup duel (which is actually the duel you want) and then make your primary duel one that is likely to have a death.
Faust is more than capable of that. unvote
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #712 on: July 31, 2016, 12:00:19 pm »

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The Duelling is compulsive. If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #713 on: July 31, 2016, 12:05:52 pm »

I guess this could have been planned in order to mess with our heads.  You set up a backup duel (which is actually the duel you want) and then make your primary duel one that is likely to have a death.
Faust is more than capable of that. unvote

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #714 on: July 31, 2016, 12:06:04 pm »

Yeah, actually I don't see it.

gkrieg13
Joseph2302
Haddock
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Egork
J Reggie
faust – Lost Duel Day 2
teamlyle – Lynched Day 1
Seprix
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chairs – Died Night 1
Jimmmmm
ashersky – Won Duel Day 2

Both scum could be anywhere in Gkrieg > J Reggie and they just expect for Seprix > Ashersky (all town in this scenario) to use the ghoul power to pass on the kill such that they lose whichever is closest in Gkrieg > J Reggie. They can even choose a backup in case Ash doesn't ghoul and dies.

I think it's likely that Seprix is town, and that they chose Seprix as the player to kill, shooting as far away from all scum as possible to maximize the chances that our ghoul plan would fail.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #715 on: July 31, 2016, 12:10:12 pm »

I guess this could have been planned in order to mess with our heads.  You set up a backup duel (which is actually the duel you want) and then make your primary duel one that is likely to have a death.
Faust is more than capable of that. unvote

So their primary duel was chairs?

I think the primary duel was Ash, but they had a town backup in case they ended up shooting Ash. They shot as far away from Faust as possible because Faust wanted to be the duel and because there was a decently long space of town players between Faust and the next scum who could screw up.

Now that I think about it, not even Seprix is cleared. Seprix/Faust can both be scum together and they shot for me, and I ghouled to Chairs, who failed. In that case, shooting for me would be the obvious best choice, especially if the third scum isn't Jim.

That's all hypothetical, and I don't particularly think Seprix is scum, but we just can't use the player order to determine scum. We need to use reads.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #716 on: July 31, 2016, 12:11:56 pm »

The main point is that scum wasn't thinking, "Ash is going to be our duel, so we need to make sure not to shoot him." They had the option to choose a backup in case they ended up shooting their first choice.

Now Jim could still be scum. I don't trust him at all.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #717 on: July 31, 2016, 12:22:32 pm »

Yeah I'm being dim.
Without meaning to my brain was doing something where if ash was the chosen duel he could be killed in spite of ghouling. Dunno why.

You can forget basically everything I said.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #718 on: July 31, 2016, 12:23:49 pm »

Gkriegs original argument saying Jimm had to be scum suffers from the same issue in thinking. That's what set me off on my crazy avenue I think.

Anyhoo.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #719 on: July 31, 2016, 12:24:11 pm »

It makes gkrieg look towny.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #720 on: July 31, 2016, 12:27:22 pm »

Gkrieg is totally town, Seprix kinda likely town, I'm town, don't really want to lynch Haddock here.

Let's kill someone else. I like e the best.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #721 on: July 31, 2016, 12:27:39 pm »

Vote: e
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #722 on: July 31, 2016, 12:29:52 pm »

That might be L-1?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #723 on: July 31, 2016, 12:35:41 pm »

Seprix D1

Part 1: RVS
It is always difficult to really garner anything worth lynching someone over from RVS, but let's do our best.  The first thing Seprix takes a stance on is Ashersky's "no one make a reads list" plan, calling it Russian Roulette. Super easy position and one shared by many people who are town.  Then we get some qt stuff where he asks about Ashersky reading his qt, but doesn't actually say anything.  Nothing there really.  Then he takes iguana's joke very seriously, which could be nothing, but he does seem like he has to be very correct about everything.  The nit-picking things to make sure they are correct seems like it would come from scum more than town to me.  He then takes Ashersky's mason claim very seriously.  So seriously, in fact, that it brings about a whole conspiracy theory case against Ashersky that ends in an Ashersky vote.  I end Part 1 with Seprix realizing the joke, and retracting his vote.

Part 1: RVS - what we learned
First of all, Seprix took everything very seriously and was very correct about everything.  Refuting iguana's joke about Ashersky being a SK, coming after Ashersky for claiming masons....granted, Seprix was unaware of the history of claiming masons, but still.  This is an open setup.  The tendency to correct everything and make sure everyone knows what is happening correctly is a great way to appear town without being town.  But again, nothing in this section makes Seprix scum.  This is all RVS-type stuff.  We don't learn very much except that we need to keep an eye on Seprix.  Maybe pressure him a bit.  But for now, nothing.

Part 2: The Plan
I will just let Seprix talk about this one (emphasis added):
What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.

Hmm. I guess I was wrong. Maybe it is okay. It just feels too easy.

Huge initial hesitancy about the plan.  Granted, I was hesitant too, but not to the point where he tries to fabricate a case against town!ashersky based on a conspiracy theory where if it got traction it would refute the plan.

I have a serious theory here. I think Ashersky was trying to pull a fast one on us with the Mason claim. Like, what is he even talking about? There's no proof whatsoever that there are any factions but 1-shot Ghouls, and I don't think there are any other factions. It even says so in the set-up. There's nothing there.

Sorry, I can't let it go that Ashersky said there would be someone to verify his Mason claim. Ashersky is clearly lying and needs to die.

Before resigning himself to the fact that the plan is going to happen:

Every time I think I find something, it doesn't work at all.

I'm pretty sure the plan should work.  I couldn't find anything except for someone forgetting to make the action

I wasn't talking about that.  :P

Yeah, I guess we can take a guaranteed scum kill. It's free information.

And then guess what?  "THAT IS MY PLAN TOO!!!  EVERYONE BETTER FOLLOW IT PERFECTLY!!!! DONT MESS UP GUYS!!!!"

In addition, before ANY LYNCHING HAPPENS, we need to set up that list thing.

Part 2: The Plan - What we learned
Initial hesitancy ---> overzealous about the plan.  Classic scum progression concerning a plan that should have worked excellently against them.

Part 3: The Lynch
This might be a game where I'd rather lynch someone saying a bunch of safe things, so as to not stand out.

Has anybody seen Iguana even posting? I'd be fine with lynching him. He's doing nothing but hopping on wagons.

I voted Seprix here.  iguana had posted, had been posting (just not a lot).  This felt like a very deliberate scum attempt to get a mislynch wagon started.

Regarding teamlyle (prior to teamlyle claiming scum):
I'm thinking about hammering.

Nah, there's no need. We have 5 days.

That settles it, then. I'll end the day if there are no objections.

Part 3: The lynch - what we learned
Seprix, after resigning himself to the plan, was super eager just to get the day over with, have the plan happen, and go from there.  Nothing I can particularly fault him for, but it is what it is.

Other random posts from D1 that are interesting to me:
vote: EgorK

Egor is in this game?

Supposedly.  #5 on the player list.

Well, he should have confirmed at least, so at some point he might show up.

Vote: Seprix for now. Something feels wrong. I can't quite place it.
Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.
I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Well... anyone said something about "Seprix hasn't done anything batshit crazy yet"? There you go.

Also Seprix is more likely town with this. I can vote: e instead.

scum!faust's progression from voting Seprix to voting me.  I think it is very telling, especially with our current scenario where it feels (at least to me) that it is either Seprix or me today.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #724 on: July 31, 2016, 12:36:46 pm »

I can't do D2 right now, have to go, but it is even more convicting than D1.  Iguana, I know you don't have a ton of time, but explain your vote please.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #725 on: July 31, 2016, 12:38:52 pm »

I guess this could have been planned in order to mess with our heads.  You set up a backup duel (which is actually the duel you want) and then make your primary duel one that is likely to have a death.
Faust is more than capable of that. unvote

So their primary duel was chairs?

I think the primary duel was Ash, but they had a town backup in case they ended up shooting Ash. They shot as far away from Faust as possible because Faust wanted to be the duel and because there was a decently long space of town players between Faust and the next scum who could screw up.

Now that I think about it, not even Seprix is cleared. Seprix/Faust can both be scum together and they shot for me, and I ghouled to Chairs, who failed. In that case, shooting for me would be the obvious best choice, especially if the third scum isn't Jim.

That's all hypothetical, and I don't particularly think Seprix is scum, but we just can't use the player order to determine scum. We need to use reads.

Then use them.


Gkrieg is totally town, Seprix kinda likely town, I'm town, don't really want to lynch Haddock here.

Let's kill someone else. I like e the best.

This post just totally ignored everything you just said in that previous post.  You are not using reads, you are blindly following a faulty idea about who could be scum.  THE PLAN FAILED.  We don't actually know what happened.  We can assume certain things, but we don't know anything for certain.  Use reads.  Please.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #726 on: July 31, 2016, 12:42:27 pm »

Hmmmm. I guess the Jimmmm logic is flawed. I guess if ash ghouls, there is no chance of him dying and it was clear that ash would ghoul. All this really tells us is that there is a scum between chairs and Faust probably, which doesn't give us much at all. It really is just a vanilla game where we don't know who scum tried to kill last night now.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #727 on: July 31, 2016, 12:43:04 pm »

at least let me finish D2 on seprix before lynching me.

AND LISTEN TO MY READS AFTER I FLIP.  Please

right now I am fairly solidly in the Seprix/Reggie remaining scum camp.  Seprix for sure, Reggie possibly.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #728 on: July 31, 2016, 12:47:57 pm »

Eh the case on Seprix is getting better. No one hammer until he finishes it ok?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #729 on: July 31, 2016, 12:53:54 pm »

I am using reads. Seprix is towny this game, and e is classic scum e right now.

If you want evidence, go read the last couple games where scum!e tunneled town!seprix.

There's always a case on Seprix. It's Seprix. He says weird stuff. Honestly, one of the best ways to find scum on f.ds is to ask yourself this: which player who should know better is jumping on Seprix?

It's because when you're scum, you look through all the players trying to find a town who looks scummy. And Seprix will always be there for you, saying something scummy.

But Seprix's town narrative this game is totally obvious. He's been saying exactly what he thinks the whole way through.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #730 on: July 31, 2016, 02:58:32 pm »

Sorry about the long absence. I'm not v/la anymore so I'll try to get back into this game. I guess I need to do a big reread and give some thoughts, but right now I don't really have any idea.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #731 on: July 31, 2016, 03:47:43 pm »

Sorry guys, got some catching up to do today.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #732 on: July 31, 2016, 04:43:01 pm »

- Lucky is he who is not bothered by the stupid things other people say -

Vote Count 3.3

Seprix (1): e
e (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (5): Joseph2302, J Reggie, Egork, Haddock, Jimmmmm

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Aug 5, 17:00 forum time. That is in 5 days and 0+ hours.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #733 on: July 31, 2016, 04:54:46 pm »

- Lucky is he who is not bothered by the stupid things other people say -

Vote Count 3.3

Seprix (1): e
e (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (5): Joseph2302, J Reggie, Egork, Haddock, Jimmmmm

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Aug 5, 17:00 forum time. That is in 5 days and 0+ hours.
We don't need to rush into anything right now tgwn- still 5 days.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #734 on: July 31, 2016, 06:48:04 pm »

Ok I'm going to do a few rereads while I have some time.  We are waiting to hear back about our offer on our house, so I need something to keep me busy so I don't go crazy.

So I guess I should give e a really good reread first.  Then probably Seprix and J Reggie.

e:

- Comes out in support of the not giving reads lists plan.

- Says that my case on teamlyle was me making something out of nothing.  This is kind of true.  I misunderstood what teamlyle was saying, and him giving up really felt like scum giving up to me.

- States ash is town for his handling of the Jimmm thing.  Giving away town reads early in the game is a town tell for him.

- Says Seprix, iguana, and Reggie are scum. 

- He spends two long posts talking about theory stuff.  Who scum should put as duel targets etc.  Scum points for this.

- finally puts a real vote on someone.  On Seprix

- Then he starts to tunnel Seprix.  Tells people Seprix is the correct lynch.

Yeah, tried to post yesterday but the forum was being weird.

Also, vote people for this game. Using meta is cool, but going outside the Mafia universe is not

- I thought this post was really scummy.  Telling people to throw meta away is just not good.

D2:

- Heavily defends the ash lynch. 

D3:

- votes Seprix again.

- says I come off scummy from D2 again, I disagree strongly with this.

Off the top of my head:

gkrieg13-scummier. On the teamlyle mislynch and scummy movement off Faust and onto ashersky in the duel
Joseph2302-town. 98% certainty
Haddock- townie (ish). Doesn't seem to have a huge footprint in the game, but maybe because others are stealing the spotlight. He plays a good scum game, but leaning town for now
e-IC
Egork- always a bit difficult to tell. Votes ashersky fairly late in the day, had he done it earlier could very well have lynched ash. Off wagon D1, slight scum lean.
J Reggie - scummy. Self aware scummy type. Plus posts from d1 and such.
Seprix- scummy. I can compile a case in one post later, by for now you can read the d3 dialogue and make the educated decision and vote seprix
iguanaiguana-  had iguana as scum d1, not as confident in that read. Lands him in the nullish category.
Jimmmmm- townie. his d1 leans strongly town in my opinion. Didn't do anything to change that d2

- He posts a reads list here.  So...  Keeps tunneling Seprix, keeps going after J Reggie, says iguana seems towner.  I dunno.  His reads have stayed the same for pretty much the entire game, which makes me pause a bit. 

vote: e

If you don't get lynched today, I hope you choose to duel me

This is what you call an OMGUS read. Notice the general lack of content along with a strong-seeming read. Classic OMGUS.

- This post just seems so not e-like.  It really just doesn't fit him.

Reading end of the duel. Egork comes across scummy and Joseph very townie

Gkrieg also comes across slightly scummy for his progression from ash to faust.

Wouldn't be surprised by gkrieg/seprix remaining scum

How does that come off as scummy at all?

Coming out gung-ho against ashersky without explaining, adding explanation later. Then ash posts some stuff defending him. I come out strong for ash. People start shifting over. Scum needed a short duel with a quick death to win there, and you realized (along with your scum buddy seprix) that faust was going to lose. So you shift over to the winning duel

- I mean even with this post, he tries to get town points again by pointing out that he defended ash. 

- I'll say this again, I think that tunneling a new player is ok.  I think it is good to put a little pressure on them, because it can be very telling.  I was honestly really surprised when he flipped town.

Please, a case.

Seprix is voting me because ashersky grew suspicious of me and scum!seprix wants an easy way to justify his mislynching me.

Gkrieg is voting me because OMGUS

Not sure why jimmmmm is voting me other than wagons are cool.

- His case on me and then this post just seem to come from scum!e.  The way that he pursued my lynch, by discounting my read on him and making the teamlyle mislynch look like teamlyle was conf!town just don't seem right.

Why on earth would I assume Ash was going to win? Why not just sit tight where I was? Nobody would 'suspect' me as scum if I stayed put. My switch was way too open and flashy. I mean, I'm getting shit for lynching scum. Ludicrous.

No, lynching scum is good. Being open and flashy is what I think is scummy.

The thing is, I know scum bussed.
Final Vote Count Day 2

ashersky (3): faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (6): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock, Seprix, ashersky

Not Voting (2): e, Joseph2302

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

I know I am town. I have very strong feelings Joseph is town. So unless j Reggie and egork are both scum (I dont think they both are, maybe one) then scum bussed. I think it was a relatively early bus, and I think that scum is you, seprix

- This post isn't consistent.  He says that it would've been an early bus, but Seprix was like the last person on the wagon.

- However, I do like this case on Seprix.  I think it is well thought out, and seems like it's genuine.  It would've been better if he hadn't been tunneling Seprix the whole game. Like if he had ever voted for anyone other than Seprix, which goes way against his meta.

TL;DR

So I don't know.  His D1 isn't much to talk about.  The things that really catch my eye are:  He only voted for one person this whole game, even though he says that we should be able to find scum by their votes, his case on me comes off as scummy.  I don't even think it is completely OMGUS, like I really think that the case is scummy.   The third reason, is that his play has been against his meta.  He gives off town reads D1, but then doesn't vote as often as town!e does.  His reads also usually change more from what I can remember.  He has been V/LA, so I'm kinda on the fence.  Right now, I think I would be fine with his lynch, but I want to look into other people as well.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #735 on: July 31, 2016, 06:50:07 pm »

I also liked iguana and Haddock's reactions to my Jimmmm case.  Town on them.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #736 on: July 31, 2016, 07:06:55 pm »

J Reggie:

- His reaction to the chairs plan seems townie.  Excited that it will work.

This is my first time as town in an open setup, so I'm really enjoying all this setup-solvy stuff.  I'm glad town didn't do that in Fruit Ninja.

PPE: I lost count

- This just seems townie to me.

- Other than his vote on teamlyle, he spends most of the beginning of the day talking about theory.



I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.

Only it's chairs plan. Though it is good and I'll follow on it

In other news I finally read all you posted while I was sleeping. Jimmm's answers seems off, but he confronting ash do not make much sense otherwise. Joseph repeating his behavior from earlier town game seems much more interesting and I do not see why he had not been given much scrutiny for doing this (there were votes, but I think their motivation had much more to do with behavior itself, not associated meta)

I'd Vote: Joseph for now

I voted Joseph for the reason you said, but then Jimmmmm voted me for doing that. Maybe Jimmmmm and Joseph are partners  ;)

I'll do the ghoul thing. Unless I die IRL or something.

Also, I've done a bit of thinking about who scum might want to choose for duels. I suggest other people do that but DON'T POST YOUR THOUGHTS UNTIL TOMORROW. We win this game by giving scum as little information as possible.

- Eh I like this post as well.  Very townie thus far, even if there hasn't been too much content.

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.

No, we should go ahead and kill mafia as soon as possible. I want to get that D2 win!

Maybe you and Seprix are partners  :P

- This post is interesting.  It is either super bold as scum, or it is townie. 

- Keeps going after teamlyle as the best lynch

- His case on teamlyle is the vote that he had on Jimmmm and his subsequent unvote.  Eh.

I think this is actually a case where a shorter day benefits town more.  More interactions between players (which is usually why town wants long days) means more of a chance for scum to pick a duel that they can win.  The nights are short, so hopefully we can get mafia to make a rash decision on the duel if someone hammers soon.

- This post is super awful mega scummy, or not thinking town.

D2:

- Says that he is tempted to say ash is town for pushing the ghoul plan.

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

- This is one of his next few posts.  Mega scum points for this reasoning to vote.

The whole argument of ash being town because he would have died in the night as scum if the plan had gone correctly seems like exactly the type of thing ash would plan as scum. Also, I really don't understand the unvoting thing. If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum. So I think I'll vote: ashersky.

Who argued that I would have died at night?  What kind of argument is that, even?  I literally don't understand it. 
If the players which mafia chooses die before the start of the next day, then another player from the required alignment is randomized. However, mafia is allowed (and encouraged) to choose a backup player for each side, who will then be chosen if the first choice dies.
Scum could have chosen a backup, therefore faust could have been the sacrifice target.

But why choose a backup?  The absolute most sensible thing to do as scum is to assume town plays well enough to follow the simplest plan on the planet and just work around it.

There are no absolute guarantees here, but I'm basing my analysis on known information and most likely decisions.  Scum plans for the plan and does what they need to to get what they think is most beneficial to them.

This is what made me think that. Maybe I'm understanding it wrong.

My argument is:

1) Scum knew the town plan.
2) Scum assumed it would be followed successfully.
3) Scum chose their duel targets with that in mind and chose duel targets that would absolutely NOT die.
4) Scum chose their NK target to ensure that the ghoul plan would result in scum other than Faust dying.

If you think I'm the scum, just switch the names.  Faust points out that if I'm scum and wanted to ensure an ashersky v. Faust duel -- Jimmmm has to be scum, otherwise I'd have died if both chairs and Jimmmm used ghoul correctly.

I'd say that makes me more likely to be town, unless you think Jimmmm is in fact scum.  Because with Faust as scum, the actually scum who would die could be anyone from chairs all the way around the list until you get back to Faust.

Ok, I guess you didn't understand what I was saying. Since there is a possibility of having a backup duel, it makes sense that scum would try this unlikely gamble because if it pays off, they have this argument that ash is making now. The fact that he was so quick to make that argument proves that point further.

- Again, his conspiracy theory just reads as all kinds of off to me.  I think J Reggie is smart enough to see this can't possibly be true.

This is really reminding me of fanfic mafia. Let's not fall for ash's tactics this time.

- Another scummy defense.

So I don't really know what to think here. My gut still tells me ash is scum, but I see him finding me scummy as more likely to come from town. But I honestly can't see Faust as scum here.

Ftfm

- Even more scummy.  He just has to be so sure of his town read on faust, because he has only two choices here.  The duels make it really hard for scum to hide.

TL;DR

After having a pretty townie first day, I think I can see most of the stuff I saw as townie coming from smartscum!J Reggie.  He does seem to be a pretty bold scum player, and he fits pretty decently as a partner for faust.  I also think his post with the smiley face is pretty scummy seeing that faust has flipped scum. 

I'll vote: J Reggie right now.
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« Reply #737 on: July 31, 2016, 08:23:56 pm »

- Lucky is he who is not bothered by the stupid things other people say -

Vote Count 3.3

Seprix (1): e
e (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (5): Joseph2302, J Reggie, Egork, Haddock, Jimmmmm

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Aug 5, 17:00 forum time. That is in 5 days and 0+ hours.
We don't need to rush into anything right now tgwn- still 5 days.

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« Reply #738 on: July 31, 2016, 08:27:23 pm »



Yeah, tried to post yesterday but the forum was being weird.

Also, vote people for this game. Using meta is cool, but going outside the Mafia universe is not

- I thought this post was really scummy.  Telling people to throw meta away is just not good.



This was just e disagreeing with me because I got really mad at Teamlyle and voted him once you guys blindsided me in forum survivor. He wasn't saying not to use meta.
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« Reply #739 on: July 31, 2016, 08:41:11 pm »

Gkrieg, I dont' really agree with your reasoning on J Reggie. Scum probably knew from close to the beginning of the game that Faust would be the first duel, and they know that regardless of what they say about Faust/Ashersky, both will flip at the end of day. So if he was scum, he would have known that his strong defending of Faust was about to look really really bad. It takes a really bold scum player to do that.

J Reggie could be scum but I like our shots with e better.
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« Reply #740 on: July 31, 2016, 09:23:32 pm »

After some rereading, e is probably Town. I like my original Vote: J Reggie
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« Reply #741 on: July 31, 2016, 10:14:15 pm »

After some rereading, e is probably Town. I like my original Vote: J Reggie

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« Reply #742 on: July 31, 2016, 10:22:53 pm »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum

It takes a ballsy scum to say this when the ash lynch looks probable but far from certain. Otherwise I find him generally Townie.

I'm looking at JR and Egor at the moment, will reread them properly and post more on them when I get the chance.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #743 on: August 01, 2016, 01:02:18 pm »

- However, I do like this case on Seprix.  I think it is well thought out, and seems like it's genuine.  It would've been better if he hadn't been tunneling Seprix the whole game. Like if he had ever voted for anyone other than Seprix, which goes way against his meta.

I haven't voted anyone but seprix? Didn't even realize that.

I admit, I do tend to tunnel seprix. A lot. I really do feel like this time is different than the others. Still haven't found the time to do the full reread post of seprix's D2, but his movement from lynching ash, to lynching faust, then on d3 coming out and following ash's last posted read I think is a very strong scum tell.

I will throw some variety out there just to help with some wagon development for now.

Vote: J Reggie
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #744 on: August 01, 2016, 01:08:07 pm »

Also, gkrieg's rereads come across townie to me
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« Reply #745 on: August 01, 2016, 01:11:30 pm »

I would love to see what Reggie has to say in response to gkrieg. I think a faust/reggie/seprix team makes a lot of sense when you think about faust being selected for the duel.

Also still have haddock and egork to worry about. I think Joseph and iguana and jimmmmm are most likely town, and leaning more town than scum on gkrieg.
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« Reply #746 on: August 01, 2016, 06:16:33 pm »

- Lucky is he who is not bothered by the stupid things other people say -

Vote Count 3.3

Seprix (1): e
e (3): Seprix, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (5): Joseph2302, J Reggie, Egork, Haddock, Jimmmmm

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Aug 5, 17:00 forum time. That is in 5 days and 0+ hours.
We don't need to rush into anything right now tgwn- still 5 days.

Dude, if everyone just occasionally popped in occasionally to say "We have plenty of time, guys" like you do, then nothing would ever get anywhere and scum would win every game.
It's cool, we've got 4 days.
Chill.
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« Reply #747 on: August 01, 2016, 06:17:03 pm »

Also, I'll be reading /rereading tomorrow
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« Reply #748 on: August 02, 2016, 12:15:44 am »

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I still need to finish up on seprix, unfortunately not sure if I will have time before deadline. Can't access the forums from a work computer and not doing it on my phone
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« Reply #749 on: August 02, 2016, 01:14:06 am »

There are way too many people that need prods, or haven't done anything today. I mean I know I haven't done much either, but I am trying to at least comment on what is going on
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« Reply #750 on: August 02, 2016, 04:59:55 am »

There are way too many people that need prods, or haven't done anything today. I mean I know I haven't done much either, but I am trying to at least comment on what is going on
I'm super guilty of this. I've become so disconnected from this game. I promise I'll contribute tonight.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #751 on: August 02, 2016, 08:24:32 am »

This is an epic game. We just took down Faust. Let's please finish off in proper style and lynch the other mafias.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #752 on: August 02, 2016, 08:26:11 am »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum

It takes a ballsy scum to say this when the ash lynch looks probable but far from certain. Otherwise I find him generally Townie.

I'm looking at JR and Egor at the moment, will reread them properly and post more on them when I get the chance.

Everyone can make that one sentence where they really look like town. I agree the one post looks towny, but the rest of his posts read scum to me.

And I mean to be completely honest, the only people who knew 0% chance that Ash was scum were scum. AND they know that soon everyone else would know one way or the other. Scum had a strong motivation to distance themselves from Faust.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #753 on: August 02, 2016, 10:03:38 am »

Vote Count 2.1

ashersky (5): gkrieg13, Seprix, faust, J Reggie, ashersky {L-1}
faust (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Haddock, e, Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, Egork

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Aug 3, 23:00 forum time. That is in 8 days and 12+ hours.

Looks like I miscalculated when I tried to count 9 days forward. Subsequent game days are one real life day shorter than the first, down to seven. Real ending is August 3, not 4.

When I am scum, I sit back and watch the mislynches happen whenever possible. That was not the case here. There is no motive whatsoever for me to defend ash strongly here if I were scum
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #754 on: August 02, 2016, 10:06:57 am »

Vote Count 2.1

ashersky (5): gkrieg13, Seprix, faust, J Reggie, ashersky {L-1}
faust (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Haddock, e, Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, Egork

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Aug 3, 23:00 forum time. That is in 8 days and 12+ hours.

Looks like I miscalculated when I tried to count 9 days forward. Subsequent game days are one real life day shorter than the first, down to seven. Real ending is August 3, not 4.

When I am scum, I sit back and watch the mislynches happen whenever possible. That was not the case here. There is no motive whatsoever for me to defend ash strongly here if I were scum

I mean iguana gives a good reason why you might.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #755 on: August 02, 2016, 10:13:52 am »

Guys. Enough of the knee jerk voting.

The wagon will be telling, but seriously. 0% chance ash is scum

It takes a ballsy scum to say this when the ash lynch looks probable but far from certain. Otherwise I find him generally Townie.

I'm looking at JR and Egor at the moment, will reread them properly and post more on them when I get the chance.

Everyone can make that one sentence where they really look like town. I agree the one post looks towny, but the rest of his posts read scum to me.

And I mean to be completely honest, the only people who knew 0% chance that Ash was scum were scum. AND they know that soon everyone else would know one way or the other. Scum had a strong motivation to distance themselves from Faust.

Because I knew of the inevitable end of faust.  You know, the one I worked strongly towards.

The only reason anyone is voting for me is because I did not immediately vote for faust.  Yes, I should have.  I explained why I didn't earlier though.  Everyone was going crazy voting and I didn't want to join in the ridiculous "let's lynch someone in 24 hours" mentality that seemed to be affecting the duel.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #756 on: August 02, 2016, 10:22:11 am »

M79 mafia qt #146: "Haha, yeah. I was having trouble posting not only because I was busy with work and such, but because I could only see cases against gkrieg and silverspawn"

While I do bus, I don't make it a habit as scum.  M79 I was lurking quite a bit, not because I couldn't build a case, but because I felt like I could only build cases against my partners.  So I just lurked away.  Not so this game.  I think Seprix or iguana or someone said earlier that I am playing along with my scum meta.  D2, pushing a lynch against faust (which would be a bus if I were scum), is totally opposite my scum meta.  If I am scum and town is about to be lynched, I usually try to sit back and watch it happen.  If my partners are about to be lynched I may or may not join in.  If I am about to be lynched I always fight it.  Town or scum.
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« Reply #757 on: August 02, 2016, 10:28:53 am »

The perfect scum thing to do right now is sit back and lurk into my lynch.  Which is exactly what is happening with, uh, I don't know.  Everyone except iguana (ok, and a couple others)

If you guys do lynch me, I will fliip town, and iguana will look bad and bashfully apologize for having a wrong read, along with some sort of "well, he posted scummy stuff anyway." 

I do feel bad that my read on Seprix is tainted due to the fact that I always find Seprix scummy.  I need to work on that.  But really.  His hedgemaster switch to Ashersky was so scummy.
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« Reply #758 on: August 02, 2016, 10:33:09 am »

- Dum dadalum dididum darumlum tidarum -

Vote Count 2.3

ashersky (4): Seprix, faust, J Reggie, Egork
faust (4): Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Haddock

Not Voting (3): e, Joseph2302, ashersky

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at Aug 3, 23:00 forum time. That is in 6 days and 7+ hours.

There is that whole metagame where Faust is towny versus Ash can be seen as an easy scum matchup. Hmmm... I'm going to take a big risk here, and question my gut read.

vote: Faust

LOOK AT WHO IS NOT VOTING!!!!!!!!

Myself, who had consistently defended Ashersky and painted faust as the scum, just hadn't voted.
Joseph, who also was leaning toward scum!faust
Ashersky, who was Ashersky, obviously.

So then Seprix, in such a gut-wrenching performance of questioning his reads and overcoming his biases, decides it is time to do a 180 turn around and vote for Ashersky completely out of the blue.  No indication prior to that.  Do the vote analysis.  Scum knew faust was going down at that point.  There was no saving the ship, might as well help sink it and get town-cred for it.

And if out other wagon is correct, J Reggie (scum) was already voting Ashersky (very scummily so).  Like, switching up to bus and effectively "hammer" here for town cred is a smart play.  And a super scummy one.
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« Reply #759 on: August 02, 2016, 11:00:54 am »

So I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here. After leading the wagons on two town players, I don't blame people for seeing me as scum. Now I legitimately don't have any good reads. The two wagons seem to be e and me. I mean, e has a higher chance of being scum than I do, but I'm not really seeing it. I just want to say that it's a good idea for town to keep me alive for now.

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« Reply #760 on: August 02, 2016, 11:41:27 am »

So I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here. After leading the wagons on two town players, I don't blame people for seeing me as scum. Now I legitimately don't have any good reads. The two wagons seem to be e and me. I mean, e has a higher chance of being scum than I do, but I'm not really seeing it. I just want to say that it's a good idea for town to keep me alive for now.
Really?
"It's a good idea to keep me alive" seems like a pretty bad argument to me.
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« Reply #761 on: August 02, 2016, 11:55:14 am »

I'll reread J Reggie shortly. This new wagon intrigues me. I'll also reread e. I had other reasons to vote for him, and I want to bring those to attention.
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« Reply #762 on: August 02, 2016, 03:35:12 pm »

Vote Count 3.e

J Reggie (4): gkrieg13, jimmmmm, e, joseph (L-1)
e (2): Seprix, iguanaiguana

Not Voting (3): J Reggie, Egork, Haddock

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #763 on: August 02, 2016, 03:39:04 pm »

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Vote Count 3.4

e (2): Seprix, iguanaiguana
J Reggie (4): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302

Not Voting (3): J Reggie, Egork, Haddock

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Aug 5, 17:00 forum time. That is in 3 days and 1+ hours.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #764 on: August 02, 2016, 03:58:26 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #765 on: August 02, 2016, 04:10:51 pm »

I can't read Reggie. There's no tells, no traits, nothing. How on earth am I supposed to figure out if he's scum or not from what he says?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #766 on: August 02, 2016, 04:14:41 pm »

I can't read Reggie. There's no tells, no traits, nothing. How on earth am I supposed to figure out if he's scum or not from what he says?

In that case, just reply with your thoughts on the specific posts gkrieg quoted.

I get it, it is hard to give reads on your partner
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #767 on: August 02, 2016, 04:36:45 pm »

The perfect scum thing to do right now is sit back and lurk into my lynch.  Which is exactly what is happening with, uh, I don't know.  Everyone except iguana (ok, and a couple others)

If you guys do lynch me, I will fliip town, and iguana will look bad and bashfully apologize for having a wrong read, along with some sort of "well, he posted scummy stuff anyway." 

I do feel bad that my read on Seprix is tainted due to the fact that I always find Seprix scummy.  I need to work on that.  But really.  His hedgemaster switch to Ashersky was so scummy.

It was completely natural and Seprixy.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #768 on: August 02, 2016, 04:38:06 pm »

So I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here. After leading the wagons on two town players, I don't blame people for seeing me as scum. Now I legitimately don't have any good reads. The two wagons seem to be e and me. I mean, e has a higher chance of being scum than I do, but I'm not really seeing it. I just want to say that it's a good idea for town to keep me alive for now.
Really?
"It's a good idea to keep me alive" seems like a pretty bad argument to me.
Vote: JReggie
Being on 2 town wagons cannot be a coincidence.

You say this as if you've never been on two town wagons before when everyone has...
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #769 on: August 02, 2016, 04:39:57 pm »

J Reggie isn't the worst vote but I still like e better. Usually when I go for my second top choice, I lynch town, so I am trying to do that less.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #770 on: August 02, 2016, 04:43:42 pm »

So I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here. After leading the wagons on two town players, I don't blame people for seeing me as scum. Now I legitimately don't have any good reads. The two wagons seem to be e and me. I mean, e has a higher chance of being scum than I do, but I'm not really seeing it. I just want to say that it's a good idea for town to keep me alive for now.
Really?
"It's a good idea to keep me alive" seems like a pretty bad argument to me.
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Being on 2 town wagons cannot be a coincidence.

You say this as if you've never been on two town wagons before when everyone has...

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #771 on: August 02, 2016, 05:28:30 pm »

OK so I'm finally back from working on my show all day.  Been a long one.

I'm also at a PC doing this for the first time in ages.  So I can do a classic Haddock-style stream-of-consciousness reread!

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

How so?

Think of it this way. Why conspicuously jump off and just magically change my mind through some gut read? Why not build some pseudo-case? There were plenty of those done. I'm not a lazy scum player. In addition, what did bussing Faust give me if I was scum? Nothing. It only gets people looking in my direction. If I stuck with my Ashersky read, nobody would have batted an eye.

Because you guys talked about it in your daychat and decided that ash was going to win the duel. So you loudly and hesitantly switch to ash despite your gut read against him
Seems like a scumtell to me.  He talks about Seprix being scum while simultaneously acknowledging the existence of Seprix's gut read.  I get what he means, but the wording is off.  He wants "despite your claimed gut read".  This is pretty weak.

Final Vote Count Day 1

Seprix (2): e, teamlyle
J Reggie (1): Jimmmmm
gkrieg13 (1): Haddock
Joseph2302 (1): Egork
teamlyle (7): J Reggie, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, ashersky, faust, Seprix
iguanaiguana (1): chairs

With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

Seprix and gkrieg also on the teamlyle mislynch. Still frustrated that teamlyle threw in the towel. Oh well.
Overkill on the frustration.  Townies are over that by now (at least I am), but scum might think that townies would still be annoyed by that.


Off the top of my head:

gkrieg13-scummier. On the teamlyle mislynch and scummy movement off Faust and onto ashersky in the duel
Joseph2302-town. 98% certainty
Haddock- townie (ish). Doesn't seem to have a huge footprint in the game, but maybe because others are stealing the spotlight. He plays a good scum game, but leaning town for now
e-IC
Egork- always a bit difficult to tell. Votes ashersky fairly late in the day, had he done it earlier could very well have lynched ash. Off wagon D1, slight scum lean.
J Reggie - scummy. Self aware scummy type. Plus posts from d1 and such.
Seprix- scummy. I can compile a case in one post later, by for now you can read the d3 dialogue and make the educated decision and vote seprix
iguanaiguana-  had iguana as scum d1, not as confident in that read. Lands him in the nullish category.
Jimmmmm- townie. his d1 leans strongly town in my opinion. Didn't do anything to change that d2
This is towny - lots of scumreads, few townreads.  Was gonna call him out for hedging on me but I think that's actually towny.

Ok, good thing we won, bad thing my read was off

I'll be V/LA until Saturday afternoon, sorry
Bleh.  Egor is ridiculous.  He does stuff like this as every alignment.  Sure he could be scum here.  Who the hell knows?

Well done Town, I was in the ash Town camp so sorry I didn't help that happen more.

I'll jump on Vote: e, but I'm also looking at Egor and also still J Reggie.
Meh.  I mean, sure.  I can't read Jimm.  Probably this is towny.

I don't trust Jim. Let's not trust Jim.
TOOOOOWWWWWWNNNNNN.


Please, a case.

Seprix is voting me because ashersky grew suspicious of me and scum!seprix wants an easy way to justify his mislynching me.

Gkrieg is voting me because OMGUS

Not sure why jimmmmm is voting me other than wagons are cool.

Partially I'm voting for you because of the way you came out against me today.  You also haven't been as present as you normally are, you spend a lot of time saying that we shouldn't do reads lists, and you claim multiple times that ash is town, but don't vote for faust.  That looks like you pushing for ash to win the duel without actually voting to help him win the duel.
I'm leanier townier on gkrieg for this among other posts.
Including his Reggie case, which I think is really strong.

Yeah I think e comes out middle-to-strong scum.
But Reggie's wagon positioning is bad and there's been some good cases. 

I lean towards lynching Reggie here.  But I'm not gonna hammer yet.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #772 on: August 02, 2016, 05:29:23 pm »

I don't like that I'm happy with both wagons.  That's a weird one.  Certainly no more than one of these are town or another wagon would probably exist.  Unless the nonvoters are scum.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #773 on: August 02, 2016, 06:00:24 pm »

- Hen syndrorro, oños. Hen ñuqir, perzys. Hen morghot, glaeson. -

Vote Count 3.4

e (2): Seprix, iguanaiguana
J Reggie (4): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302

Not Voting (3): J Reggie, Egork, Haddock

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Aug 5, 17:00 forum time. That is in 3 days and 1+ hours.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #774 on: August 02, 2016, 11:05:47 pm »

I guess I'll vote: e because it's our best chance at lynching scum. Although I'm not the worst mislynch I guess. I'll try to get some kind of reads list together before the end of the day.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #775 on: August 03, 2016, 01:33:49 pm »

I guess I'll vote: e because it's our best chance at lynching scum. Although I'm not the worst mislynch I guess. I'll try to get some kind of reads list together before the end of the day.
I disagree.
I think you're a better lynch.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #776 on: August 03, 2016, 01:42:24 pm »

- I decline to recognize your authority and will not serve any detention you give -

Vote Count 3.5

e (3): Seprix, iguanaiguana, J Reggie
J Reggie (4): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302

Not Voting (2): Egork, Haddock

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #777 on: August 03, 2016, 06:57:39 pm »

I want to hear from Egor before we decide anything.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #778 on: August 03, 2016, 07:34:07 pm »

Ok, good thing we won, bad thing my read was off

I'll be V/LA until Saturday afternoon, sorry

The day ends before he comes back.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #779 on: August 03, 2016, 08:05:51 pm »

The lack of questioning and scrambling makes me weary of both wagons
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #780 on: August 03, 2016, 09:16:43 pm »

The lack of questioning and scrambling makes me weary of both wagons

We can switch to seprix
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #781 on: August 04, 2016, 07:37:04 am »

The lack of questioning and scrambling makes me weary of both wagons
This worries me too.
But it's not necessarily meaningful.
After all, if exactly one of the two wagons is scum this is kind of expected. If scum is bussing they don't want to back down, and if they're not bussing they want to stay on a strong wagon to make the mislynch happen.   As I said, they're definitely not both scum, but I think the chances are good that one of them is.

I'm so tempted to hammer reggie. I'll probably announce intent when I get back from my show this evening.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #782 on: August 04, 2016, 01:33:13 pm »

Please don't hammer me. I realized I'm probably one of the worst mislynches.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #783 on: August 04, 2016, 01:36:48 pm »

Please don't hammer me. I realized I'm probably one of the worst mislynches.

Do you want to defend yourself?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #784 on: August 04, 2016, 01:54:37 pm »

Please don't hammer me. I realized I'm probably one of the worst mislynches.

What, you didn't realize that before? ???
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #785 on: August 04, 2016, 02:00:14 pm »

I will be around for deadline, and I hope to have reread Seprix myself.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #786 on: August 04, 2016, 02:25:54 pm »

I'm really sorry guys. I've been reading over and there's nothing telling I can find in the way of scum reads. Scum has been playing this very well. I'll just say now that I totally missed the first night and didn't use my ghoul power. That won't really matter since I doubt scum would have NK'd me anyway. If you lynch me now, I think the numbers will work so that we can still win. And you guys can analyze my wagon and stuff.

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« Reply #787 on: August 04, 2016, 02:27:14 pm »

I'm really sorry guys. I've been reading over and there's nothing telling I can find in the way of scum reads. Scum has been playing this very well. I'll just say now that I totally missed the first night and didn't use my ghoul power. That won't really matter since I doubt scum would have NK'd me anyway. If you lynch me now, I think the numbers will work so that we can still win. And you guys can analyze my wagon and stuff.

Weren't we all not allowed to say if we didn't use the ghoul power?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #788 on: August 04, 2016, 02:28:07 pm »

Not to mention, there's plenty to look at! There's e, for example. You're just not trying. Man, I think I'd lynch you if you kept this up.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #789 on: August 04, 2016, 03:13:17 pm »

Little over a day left. Probably won't be around for the deadline
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« Reply #790 on: August 04, 2016, 04:31:28 pm »

I'm really sorry guys. I've been reading over and there's nothing telling I can find in the way of scum reads. Scum has been playing this very well. I'll just say now that I totally missed the first night and didn't use my ghoul power. That won't really matter since I doubt scum would have NK'd me anyway. If you lynch me now, I think the numbers will work so that we can still win. And you guys can analyze my wagon and stuff.

Weren't we all not allowed to say if we didn't use the ghoul power?
It doesn't make sense to tell people if you used ghoul power or not.
Gives scum info.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #791 on: August 04, 2016, 04:33:06 pm »

Also, seems like JReggie is trying to trying to claim a PR in order to survive.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #792 on: August 04, 2016, 04:37:31 pm »

- Remember, Seprix may not post more than 500 times per minute -

Vote Count 3.6

e (3): Seprix, iguanaiguana, J Reggie
J Reggie (4): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302

Not Voting (2): Egork, Haddock

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #793 on: August 04, 2016, 04:43:14 pm »

Not to mention, there's plenty to look at! There's e, for example. You're just not trying. Man, I think I'd lynch you if you kept this up.

I'll just say it, this looks like "Don't give up partner!  You still have a chance of not getting lynched!  Try to make a case for yourself!"
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #794 on: August 04, 2016, 04:43:47 pm »

That being said, I do want EgorK and Haddock to contribute something today, like a vote of sorts.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #795 on: August 04, 2016, 04:45:01 pm »

Ok, good thing we won, bad thing my read was off

I'll be V/LA until Saturday afternoon, sorry

his last post. 

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« Reply #796 on: August 04, 2016, 04:48:50 pm »

Ok, good thing we won, bad thing my read was off

I'll be V/LA until Saturday afternoon, sorry

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« Reply #797 on: August 04, 2016, 05:25:14 pm »

I should be around for deadline.

I currently strongly prefer JReggie to e, and can't see another good wagon at the moment.
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« Reply #798 on: August 04, 2016, 05:47:43 pm »

I should be around for deadline.

I currently strongly prefer JReggie to e, and can't see another good wagon at the moment.

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« Reply #799 on: August 04, 2016, 05:51:17 pm »

vote: J Reggie out of self-preservation.
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« Reply #800 on: August 04, 2016, 05:52:20 pm »

Nobody is lynching him, so let's see if my gamble pays off.
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« Reply #801 on: August 04, 2016, 05:54:10 pm »

Nobody is lynching him, so let's see if my gamble pays off.

Kind of like the faust gamble?
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« Reply #802 on: August 04, 2016, 05:54:24 pm »

Nobody is lynching him, so let's see if my gamble pays off.

Kind of like the faust gamble?

Yeah, like that one!  ;D
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« Reply #803 on: August 04, 2016, 05:54:47 pm »

I fully expect to be on the dueling list tomorrow.
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« Reply #804 on: August 04, 2016, 05:54:49 pm »

vote: J Reggie out of self-preservation.

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« Reply #805 on: August 04, 2016, 05:55:16 pm »

I fully expect to be on the dueling list tomorrow.

You should duel me.  That would be a fun duel
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« Reply #806 on: August 04, 2016, 05:55:30 pm »

I fully expect to be on the dueling list tomorrow.

You should duel me.  That would be a fun duel

Then you would be scum.
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« Reply #807 on: August 04, 2016, 05:56:02 pm »

Excited for the haddock/egork duel that no one saw coming.
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« Reply #808 on: August 04, 2016, 05:56:23 pm »

Excited for the haddock/egork duel that no one saw coming.

Now that would be a difficult duel.
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« Reply #809 on: August 04, 2016, 05:56:43 pm »

Excited for the haddock/egork duel that no one saw coming.

I'd probably lynch EgorK in that one.
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« Reply #810 on: August 04, 2016, 05:59:21 pm »

Excited for the haddock/egork duel that no one saw coming.

Now that would be a difficult duel.

Come on, don't give scum ideas!
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #811 on: August 04, 2016, 06:01:50 pm »

Excited for the haddock/egork duel that no one saw coming.

Now that would be a difficult duel.

Come on, don't give scum ideas!

As if that were an actual possibility
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« Reply #813 on: August 04, 2016, 06:04:16 pm »

J Reggie isn't dumb either. His lack of any reads feels fake. Man, I hope this works out for me.
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« Reply #814 on: August 04, 2016, 06:05:02 pm »

It would be funny if e and J Reggie were both the last two scum.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #815 on: August 04, 2016, 06:05:49 pm »

It would be funny if e and J Reggie were both the last two scum.

You're killing me right now.  Like I feel like it is just so obvious that you are the last scum.  It hurts.

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« Reply #816 on: August 04, 2016, 06:06:35 pm »

It would be funny if e and J Reggie were both the last two scum.

You're killing me right now.  Like I feel like it is just so obvious that you are the last scum.  It hurts.

Although e wouldn't surprise me if he were scum.

I wouldn't play this stupid as scum.
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« Reply #817 on: August 04, 2016, 06:08:43 pm »

For me to be scum after the stunts I pulled would be Ashersky levels of balls.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #818 on: August 04, 2016, 06:12:42 pm »

Vote Count 3.7

e (2): iguanaiguana, J Reggie
J Reggie (5): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302, Seprix

Not Voting (2): Egork, Haddock

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #819 on: August 04, 2016, 06:14:27 pm »

J Reggie has been lynched. He was Mafia.

Night 3 starts now and ends at August 6, 18:00 Forum Time.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Night 1)
« Reply #820 on: August 07, 2016, 11:23:34 am »

iguanaiguana has died in the night. He was Town.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Night 4)
« Reply #821 on: August 07, 2016, 11:24:48 am »

Day 4 start!

The Duel is between Joseph2302 and Seprix!

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Night 4)
« Reply #822 on: August 07, 2016, 11:26:46 am »

Ah, what a fun duel. And we know everyone else is town! Hooray!

I have an obvious bias against seprix in this duel, but I will go back and look at things again
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« Reply #823 on: August 07, 2016, 11:29:52 am »

Vote Count 4.0

Joseph2302 (0):
Seprix (0):

Not Voting (7): e, Jimmmmm, Haddock, Egork, gkrieg13, Seprix, Joseph2302

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #824 on: August 07, 2016, 11:40:04 am »

Interesting, so it's obvious that I want to vote Seprix.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #825 on: August 07, 2016, 11:40:58 am »

Also, mess this up and we are back to D1 with 5 alive. One scum. Basically throw everything we have had out the window. So let's lynch correctly
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« Reply #826 on: August 07, 2016, 11:42:46 am »

Also, mess this up and we are back to D1 with 5 alive. One scum. Basically throw everything we have had out the window. So let's lynch correctly
Agreed.
4-1 with 0 information seems difficult.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #827 on: August 07, 2016, 12:17:29 pm »

Iguana was such an interesting kill.

I'll go back and read them both and look for intereactions later.
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« Reply #828 on: August 07, 2016, 01:25:05 pm »

Huh.
That is an interesting duel.  I lean towards voting Joseph on instinct because he hasn't contributed much, whereas I feel Seprix has contributed a lot and never done anything more scummy than his usual. 

Then again I've never seen scum!Seprix.  Joseph, Seprix, can both of you link a scum game or two of yours for us to read?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #829 on: August 07, 2016, 01:27:30 pm »

Iguana was such an interesting kill.
Remind me why?  Were we scumreading him?  I've totally lost track.  If iguana was a contentious character, killing him for WIFOM confusion seems like ideal scum play when setting up for what could be the game-deciding duel.

My show is finally done and I should be back at my own PC by tonight and might be able to contribute better than I have for the whole freaking game, just in time for this game to end. :P



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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #830 on: August 07, 2016, 01:37:48 pm »

Huh.
That is an interesting duel.  I lean towards voting Joseph on instinct because he hasn't contributed much, whereas I feel Seprix has contributed a lot and never done anything more scummy than his usual. 

Then again I've never seen scum!Seprix.  Joseph, Seprix, can both of you link a scum game or two of yours for us to read?

Loving being temporarily ICd.  Weird situation.

Look at how he interacted with Faust and J Reggie. He is clearly scum here.

Iguana was someone who wasn't doing that much analysis. So you want the people that aren't doing too much still alive for this day.

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« Reply #831 on: August 07, 2016, 02:18:44 pm »

Huh.
That is an interesting duel.  I lean towards voting Joseph on instinct because he hasn't contributed much, whereas I feel Seprix has contributed a lot and never done anything more scummy than his usual. 

Then again I've never seen scum!Seprix.  Joseph, Seprix, can both of you link a scum game or two of yours for us to read?

Loving being temporarily ICd.  Weird situation.

Look at how he interacted with Faust and J Reggie. He is clearly scum here.

Iguana was someone who wasn't doing that much analysis. So you want the people that aren't doing too much still alive for this day.

vote: Seprix
I will do that when I get a chance.

And yeah they want to kill off analytical people. "Unless there's a reason to kill off iguana in his interactions/reads", sending us down that trail, which could all be Wifom.  That's partly what I was trying to say, fumblingly.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #832 on: August 07, 2016, 02:57:17 pm »

For me to be scum after the stunts I pulled would be Ashersky levels of balls.

I think seprix is playing this up with the iguana kill and everything. "If I were scum wouldn't I have killed e"

That type of thing
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« Reply #833 on: August 07, 2016, 05:02:00 pm »


Then again I've never seen scum!Seprix.  Joseph, Seprix, can both of you link a scum game or two of yours for us to read?

Looking for most recent ones (I've been scum 3 times ever, and town like 12). 2 of them were ages ago.
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« Reply #834 on: August 07, 2016, 05:20:16 pm »

M56
M55

Still looking for 1 more.
None of them are recent by the way.
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« Reply #835 on: August 07, 2016, 05:58:47 pm »

For me to be scum after the stunts I pulled would be Ashersky levels of balls.

I think seprix is playing this up with the iguana kill and everything. "If I were scum wouldn't I have killed e"

That type of thing
Why would scum!Seprix want to kill e?
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« Reply #836 on: August 07, 2016, 06:04:35 pm »

M56
M55

Still looking for 1 more.
None of them are recent by the way.
According to this, I've been scum 3 times ever.
Can't find the third scum game on there though.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #837 on: August 07, 2016, 07:01:22 pm »

M56
M55

Still looking for 1 more.
None of them are recent by the way.
According to this, I've been scum 3 times ever.
Can't find the third scum game on there though.

Ashersky has been preemptively updating the records
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #838 on: August 07, 2016, 07:19:13 pm »

Seprix does have a point that we may want to delay the usage of our nightkill (which it is, effectively). The main reason against it is that scum have more power to drive discussion in a direction of their choosing the longer all of them remain alive.

No, we should go ahead and kill mafia as soon as possible. I want to get that D2 win!

Maybe you and Seprix are partners  :P

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #839 on: August 07, 2016, 07:22:04 pm »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

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« Reply #840 on: August 07, 2016, 07:27:59 pm »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Still haven't answered this.
Point.  Last time someone refused to answer a question I asked them repeatedly during a game, that person turned out to be scum.  (Now who was that? :P)
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #841 on: August 07, 2016, 07:28:12 pm »

and giving you a free correct lynch

Correct lynch?

vote: Teamyle

Let's see. I mean, he did just confess to be scum.

I mean you have this too. Plus this vote caused the day to end on a weekend, which was the most antitown thing someone could do D1
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« Reply #842 on: August 07, 2016, 07:29:13 pm »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Still haven't answered this.
Point.  Last time someone refused to answer a question I asked them repeatedly during a game, that person turned out to be scum.  (Now who was that? :P)

The face makes me think it was me, but I do t remember what you are r getting to
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #843 on: August 07, 2016, 07:29:19 pm »

and giving you a free correct lynch

Correct lynch?

vote: Teamyle

Let's see. I mean, he did just confess to be scum.

I mean you have this too. Plus this vote caused the day to end on a weekend, which was the most antitown thing someone could do D1

can't fault him for that vote.  Teamlyle had claimed scum at that point
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #844 on: August 07, 2016, 07:29:44 pm »

but yeah.  just reread joseph. 

vote: Seprix
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #845 on: August 07, 2016, 07:30:13 pm »

If someone forgets to submit, I am going to be one very sad Overlord.

This just seems over the top
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #846 on: August 07, 2016, 07:30:57 pm »

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Still haven't answered this.
Point.  Last time someone refused to answer a question I asked them repeatedly during a game, that person turned out to be scum.  (Now who was that? :P)

The face makes me think it was me, but I do t remember what you are r getting to
It was.  Doesn't matter. :P
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #847 on: August 07, 2016, 07:31:33 pm »

I'll get to rereads.  Later.  Sorry.  Sleep.  Tired.  Had 2 hours sleep last night.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia
« Reply #848 on: August 07, 2016, 07:32:34 pm »

They had to have planned for one of them (not Faust) to be dead.

...How do you know this?

Seprix is just so scummy. I should probably just stop reading at this point to not poison other people's reasoning.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #849 on: August 07, 2016, 07:34:18 pm »

With Ashersky's logic, he could have easily have been the one who wanted to die if it didn't work out, for Faust's reason: The set-up too heavily favored town and was swingy.

Another thing to consider: Scum could have picked someone who was as far away from scum as possible, in the hopes that it would hit a town player who supposedly missed. Chairs missed. So there's that.

This too. Just look at the list. They did pick someone as far away as possible
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #850 on: August 07, 2016, 07:35:14 pm »

Submitted my Ghoul on ash. Everyone else should do likewise (not on ash though).

Submitted on joseph

Submitted on IGG Rush.

The people who talked about Ghouling. I submitted my action, and IG didn't die, so it's very likely both of us are town. Jimmmmm and gkreig could both be bluffing and just saying it (as could I honestly).

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #851 on: August 07, 2016, 07:37:26 pm »

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #852 on: August 07, 2016, 07:45:05 pm »

I do agree with e that Seprix looks pretty scummy from the whole thing as well.  Especially because scum has daychat, and faust probably told him to just bus at that point.

Wrong. You're not thinking this through.

Ironically I was actually probably wrong here, so Seprix feels like he has to point this out
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #853 on: August 07, 2016, 07:48:27 pm »

e did not even vote. Come on, that's incredibly scummy! He doesn't want to stand out, and he didn't want to bus his partner.

Even more scuminess. He thinks this is something everyone will find e scummy for so he really pushes it even though it isn't that scummy
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #854 on: August 07, 2016, 07:53:46 pm »

Not to mention, there's plenty to look at! There's e, for example. You're just not trying. Man, I think I'd lynch you if you kept this up.

Here is his crown jewel of scumminess
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #855 on: August 07, 2016, 07:55:32 pm »

For me to be scum after the stunts I pulled would be Ashersky levels of balls.

What moves have you pulled?  Like what does that even mean?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #856 on: August 07, 2016, 07:58:20 pm »

but guys:

Also, I'm scum again.

Ya that is like the one point against Joseph.

Joseph and Seprix, I want you to make cases on each other. With quotes if you have a way to do that. Like a full blown case with holding and underlining and italicizing.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #857 on: August 07, 2016, 10:16:10 pm »

vote: Joseph

Not surprised I'm on the chopping block. Nothing else makes sense for a scum play, really. Lynch Joseph and I become clear MVP, just off of fluky gut reads, which is hilarious. I really have no reason to give reads on Joseph, since I already know he is scum. However, I can answer any questions people have.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #858 on: August 07, 2016, 10:17:10 pm »

Just to let you guys know, I'm not going to play this horribly next game. I know I got lucky.  :P
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #859 on: August 07, 2016, 10:18:03 pm »

But yes, interesting Joseph is the last scum. Very interesting. I think I will do a reread after all, but obviously take everything I say with a grain of salt.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #860 on: August 07, 2016, 10:37:23 pm »

But yes, interesting Joseph is the last scum. Very interesting. I think I will do a reread after all, but obviously take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Please make a case on Joseph.
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« Reply #861 on: August 08, 2016, 10:37:01 am »

I have stuff to do this morning. I'll get back asap.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #862 on: August 08, 2016, 11:52:29 am »

But yeah, gkrieg pulled some of the very convicting quotes from seprix, I could probably pull some more, but there is a convincing enough sample with what gkrieg quoted

But really. Do a reread of Joseph and tell me he is scum. Please. Just try.
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« Reply #863 on: August 08, 2016, 12:13:01 pm »

But yeah, gkrieg pulled some of the very convicting quotes from seprix, I could probably pull some more, but there is a convincing enough sample with what gkrieg quoted

But really. Do a reread of Joseph and tell me he is scum. Please. Just try.

Again, I'm at my college and I have to do a bunch of convoluted lameness because government. I've had to pay out of my own pocket already, and it's annoying, but I should be done in a couple of hours.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #864 on: August 08, 2016, 02:58:14 pm »

Vote: Seprix obviously
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #865 on: August 08, 2016, 03:07:30 pm »

I am backity back from my college trek, and I will now begin my read of Joseph's play.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #866 on: August 08, 2016, 06:20:25 pm »

With Ashersky's logic, he could have easily have been the one who wanted to die if it didn't work out, for Faust's reason: The set-up too heavily favored town and was swingy.

Another thing to consider: Scum could have picked someone who was as far away from scum as possible, in the hopes that it would hit a town player who supposedly missed. Chairs missed. So there's that.

This too. Just look at the list. They did pick someone as far away as possible
This argument doesn't actually work.  Whether Joseph or Seprix is the scum, killing the person furthest from the next scum on the list would have resulted in the same kill (ie. chairs).

If you're referring to iguana's death, the argument doesn't work since scum would know that town is never going to target the next person in line any more.

Unless you mean that Seprix is scummy because he's showing here that he knows what scum did.  Which seems a bit of an obvious thing for even Seprix to do.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #867 on: August 08, 2016, 06:29:31 pm »

I've just reread Joseph and I don't agree at all that he's obv!town here. 

I'm not going to say any more than that on Joseph until I see what Seprix does in his Joseph case.

Reading Seprix now.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #868 on: August 08, 2016, 06:38:03 pm »

And Seprix doesn't read particularly scummy except in his interactions, which, well - people can be wrong.

I don't think this is obvious at all at all.

Want Seprix's response about this still.
I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #869 on: August 08, 2016, 07:28:43 pm »

Interesting thought I just had.

Let's give Seprix and Joseph 2 days to put together cases on each other. Like their best cases and then we discuss them.
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« Reply #870 on: August 08, 2016, 07:49:48 pm »

Okay, so I've said I'm going to write the case on Joseph, but I've been busy all day. I also have a Dominion Streamed match in a little over an hour, but I'm going to try and put it together now.
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« Reply #871 on: August 08, 2016, 08:20:14 pm »

Also, I'm scum again.

Nothing but null. Anybody who claims otherwise is biased. This is Joseph's niche thing now, and while I could see going hard for it now, it's not worth going for it now. Bunch of WIFOM to even look at this as a convincing case.

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

Vote: faust

This is a bit more alarming, though hilariously enough, this ended up being the first duel. Again, bunch of WIFOM, but if Joseph is scum, then naturally this is an interesting 'gambit' for Joseph to take.

And just to clarify, this plan definitely 100% works, right?
So we'll definitely kill scum N1.
That seems really good for us.

PPE: 1

Referring to the Ghoul plan. Anyways, this seems really really forced, almost excessively so. However, we are talking about Joseph here, so it's all WIFOM.

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
Scum is obliged to kill (see the setup)- if they don't nominate someone, then a random town player gets chosen.
If 2 or more scum are consecutive numbers then it doesn't matter, as one scum will definitely die.
This is 100% guaranteed.

PPE: 2

Joseph replies to my initial concerns with the Ghoul plan. Reasonable enough in hindsight.

Ya I don't like that plan at all.

Definitely think we should lynch teamlyle and then all use our ghoul on the next person in the player order.
Seems good to me.
Guarantees a scum lynch after all.
Vote: teamlyle

Joseph as scum would have known this is a mislynch.

vote: teamlyle

L-1
Early L-1.
Although he's clearly been the most anti-town player, by not wanting to do our cool, scum-killing plan.

Okay, this is really really cringy. No town player would ever say this, ever. Not even Joseph. "Look at me, I am a walking talking conspicuous Town player!" I don't care if it's Joseph, this is immensely scummy to say.

So on a quick reread I've noticed this:

ash seems to be calm & collecting in his posting
faust seems to be very defensive & self-conscious

That's leaning me towards faust being scum.
Will reread properly this evening.

...and then he says this. Dammit, I'm going to be the one to die today, aren't I?

The D2 content hasn't given me much- a serious of long arguments.

Nothing much here says faust is towny.
And not a lot says ash is scummy.

Therefore, Intent to effectively hammer (if I vote, it's L-1 on faust, and ash could then just hammer).

More of this. I have no idea how consistent Joseph is with reads, but he's been pretty spot on with this read.

So I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here. After leading the wagons on two town players, I don't blame people for seeing me as scum. Now I legitimately don't have any good reads. The two wagons seem to be e and me. I mean, e has a higher chance of being scum than I do, but I'm not really seeing it. I just want to say that it's a good idea for town to keep me alive for now.
Really?
"It's a good idea to keep me alive" seems like a pretty bad argument to me.
Vote: JReggie
Being on 2 town wagons cannot be a coincidence.

This is the perfect Joseph!scum game. He isn't making any mistakes besides that one robotic statement about town.

Well, almost perfect. I know something that I should have noticed before with Joseph, but that I didn't realize until now.

Joseph is playing WELL.

He is analytical, never making any jokes besides the 'I'm scum' bit he always does. He's always been right on the money and very very consistent. I propose that Joseph has played way too perfectly and that is why he must die today.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #872 on: August 08, 2016, 08:49:55 pm »

Also, I'm scum again.

Nothing but null. Anybody who claims otherwise is biased. This is Joseph's niche thing now, and while I could see going hard for it now, it's not worth going for it now. Bunch of WIFOM to even look at this as a convincing case.

It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

Vote: faust

This is a bit more alarming, though hilariously enough, this ended up being the first duel. Again, bunch of WIFOM, but if Joseph is scum, then naturally this is an interesting 'gambit' for Joseph to take.

And just to clarify, this plan definitely 100% works, right?
So we'll definitely kill scum N1.
That seems really good for us.

PPE: 1

Referring to the Ghoul plan. Anyways, this seems really really forced, almost excessively so. However, we are talking about Joseph here, so it's all WIFOM.

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
Scum is obliged to kill (see the setup)- if they don't nominate someone, then a random town player gets chosen.
If 2 or more scum are consecutive numbers then it doesn't matter, as one scum will definitely die.
This is 100% guaranteed.

PPE: 2

Joseph replies to my initial concerns with the Ghoul plan. Reasonable enough in hindsight.

Ya I don't like that plan at all.

Definitely think we should lynch teamlyle and then all use our ghoul on the next person in the player order.
Seems good to me.
Guarantees a scum lynch after all.
Vote: teamlyle

Joseph as scum would have known this is a mislynch.

vote: teamlyle

L-1
Early L-1.
Although he's clearly been the most anti-town player, by not wanting to do our cool, scum-killing plan.

Okay, this is really really cringy. No town player would ever say this, ever. Not even Joseph. "Look at me, I am a walking talking conspicuous Town player!" I don't care if it's Joseph, this is immensely scummy to say.

So on a quick reread I've noticed this:

ash seems to be calm & collecting in his posting
faust seems to be very defensive & self-conscious

That's leaning me towards faust being scum.
Will reread properly this evening.

...and then he says this. Dammit, I'm going to be the one to die today, aren't I?

The D2 content hasn't given me much- a serious of long arguments.

Nothing much here says faust is towny.
And not a lot says ash is scummy.

Therefore, Intent to effectively hammer (if I vote, it's L-1 on faust, and ash could then just hammer).

More of this. I have no idea how consistent Joseph is with reads, but he's been pretty spot on with this read.

So I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here. After leading the wagons on two town players, I don't blame people for seeing me as scum. Now I legitimately don't have any good reads. The two wagons seem to be e and me. I mean, e has a higher chance of being scum than I do, but I'm not really seeing it. I just want to say that it's a good idea for town to keep me alive for now.
Really?
"It's a good idea to keep me alive" seems like a pretty bad argument to me.
Vote: JReggie
Being on 2 town wagons cannot be a coincidence.

This is the perfect Joseph!scum game. He isn't making any mistakes besides that one robotic statement about town.

Well, almost perfect. I know something that I should have noticed before with Joseph, but that I didn't realize until now.

Joseph is playing WELL.

He is analytical, never making any jokes besides the 'I'm scum' bit he always does. He's always been right on the money and very very consistent. I propose that Joseph has played way too perfectly and that is why he must die today.

So your case on him is too townie to be town?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #873 on: August 08, 2016, 09:12:29 pm »

*seprix's case*

So your case on him is too townie to be town?

Sounds about right. Can we lynch seprix now?
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« Reply #874 on: August 08, 2016, 09:44:36 pm »

*seprix's case*

So your case on him is too townie to be town?

Sounds about right. Can we lynch seprix now?

You'll be making a huge mistake. Just lynch Joseph. You know you want to. Town wins if you do!
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« Reply #875 on: August 09, 2016, 11:55:52 am »

So Haddock, what do you make of seprix's case?
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« Reply #876 on: August 09, 2016, 11:57:03 am »

Also jimmmmmm? Egork? Hello?
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« Reply #877 on: August 09, 2016, 02:02:35 pm »

So Haddock, what do you make of seprix's case?
It's weaker than the one I was putting together in my head.  At least I think it is. 
I was hoping Seprix would make the same points that I was considering as I reread everything.

Can everyone else have a read through Joseph keeping in mind the daychat and see if you get the same sense I did that the things Joseph was doing/saying made a lot of sense as a player coached by some strong scumbuddies (not that Joseph wouldn't be fine on his own, but faust is faust), via the daychat?
That's exactly the sense I got.
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« Reply #878 on: August 09, 2016, 05:20:49 pm »

Also jimmmmmm? Egork? Hello?

Request: Prods on Jimmmmm and EgorK
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« Reply #879 on: August 09, 2016, 05:22:13 pm »

Interesting thought I just had.

Let's give Seprix and Joseph 2 days to put together cases on each other. Like their best cases and then we discuss them.
This will be a tomorrow job for me.
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« Reply #880 on: August 09, 2016, 05:22:44 pm »

Okay, so I've said I'm going to write the case on Joseph, but I'm scum, so it'll all be nonsense.
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« Reply #881 on: August 09, 2016, 05:59:25 pm »

So Haddock, what do you make of seprix's case?
It's weaker than the one I was putting together in my head.  At least I think it is. 
I was hoping Seprix would make the same points that I was considering as I reread everything.

Can everyone else have a read through Joseph keeping in mind the daychat and see if you get the same sense I did that the things Joseph was doing/saying made a lot of sense as a player coached by some strong scumbuddies (not that Joseph wouldn't be fine on his own, but faust is faust), via the daychat?
That's exactly the sense I got.

I don't have a lot of experience with scum play, so if that was there, I wouldn't have spotted it.
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« Reply #882 on: August 09, 2016, 07:35:47 pm »

Hello. I'll have some re-reads and a vote before deadline.
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« Reply #883 on: August 09, 2016, 07:38:02 pm »

Hello. I'll have some re-reads and a vote before deadline.
which is when, btw?
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #884 on: August 09, 2016, 10:23:53 pm »

Vote Count 4.0

Joseph2302 (0):
Seprix (0):

Not Voting (7): e, Jimmmmm, Haddock, Egork, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Seprix, Joseph2302

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at see next Vote Count.

Can we get another one of these?

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« Reply #885 on: August 09, 2016, 10:24:18 pm »

Oh just realized that was haddocks question. Sorry about that
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« Reply #886 on: August 10, 2016, 05:13:41 am »

- Doing Vote Counts per hand is hard ... :( -

Vote Count 4.1

Joseph2302 (1): Seprix
Seprix (3): gkrieg13, e, Joseph2302

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« Reply #887 on: August 10, 2016, 05:15:43 am »

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.
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« Reply #888 on: August 10, 2016, 05:17:57 am »

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.
I'm happy to Unvote for now, to allow for more discussion.
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« Reply #889 on: August 10, 2016, 05:20:28 am »

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.
I'm happy to Unvote for now, to allow for more discussion.
Nyeh.  Obviously you and Seprix are gonna vote for each other.  I was just a bit surprised to see Seprix at L-1, is all.  Someone probably announced it, but still.
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« Reply #890 on: August 10, 2016, 10:23:22 am »

I'm already at L-1? Oh... Well, I was expecting this. I can't really give any useful information about the future, since Joseph is going to die afterwards, and then you'll have to figure out who the scum is.
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« Reply #891 on: August 10, 2016, 10:24:46 am »

Not really sure what I can do at this point. I didn't play a fantastic game, and my reads were bug ugly and lucky. Joseph has played a nearly perfect game, and just about the only defense I can give which I gave before is that Joseph doesn't play that well on average.
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« Reply #892 on: August 10, 2016, 10:30:35 am »

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

Typical scum hedging  8)
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« Reply #893 on: August 10, 2016, 10:38:03 am »

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

Typical scum hedging  8)
And thus I prove once and for all that town!me hedges like a .... thing... that hedges a lot.
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« Reply #894 on: August 10, 2016, 11:25:58 am »

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

Typical scum hedging  8)
And thus I prove once and for all that town!me hedges like a .... thing... that hedges a lot.

like a .. scum?
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« Reply #895 on: August 10, 2016, 11:31:39 am »

Ok fine, I will go through and do my D2 read of seprix. And D3 now that it is done. And provide a link back to my case based on his D1.

And do that reread of Joseph like was talked about.

But might not happen until, say, tomorrow night?
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« Reply #896 on: August 10, 2016, 02:12:08 pm »

So, Seprix D1:

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

That's idiotic. Good luck playing Russian roulette.
Seprix wanting to give scum information, by getting reads lists off people.

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
Not read the setup properly, but that's not a scum or town tell.
Although the plan was good, it was just poorly executed.

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.
Keen for the mislynch.
Also, he has a plan? Doesn't seem like it from the rest of the game.

Then hammered, albeit after teamlyle claimed scum.

All in all, he helped push a mislynch, and argued against a plan which was basically a solid scumkill if executed correctly.

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« Reply #897 on: August 10, 2016, 02:20:37 pm »

Seprix D2:

Okay, who screwed up!?
Obvious who screwed up, as they were dead.
But it means they targeted someone near chairs in the list i.e. must have been ii or chairs targetted.

vote: Ashersky
Getting straight on the town player

If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum.

When he said that, that basically sealed my vote. It's pretty obvious Ashersky blew it at this point.

Have you such a low opinion of me as a player?  I have the equivalent of decades of experience on you as a Mafia player.

I don't care. All that matters is here and now.
Reaffirming the vote on the town player

Vote: Faust

Time to make the hard choice

I'm still inclined to vote Ash.
We get it. You want to kill the town player

There is that whole metagame where Faust is towny versus Ash can be seen as an easy scum matchup. Hmmm... I'm going to take a big risk here, and question my gut read.

vote: Faust
Wow, nice switch in an attempt to look towny.

So, Seprix spent the whole of D2 asserting that ash is scum, and then mysteriously out of nowhere hammers faust? Seems like someone was encouraged to do that in their daychat.
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« Reply #898 on: August 10, 2016, 02:22:16 pm »

So, Seprix spent the whole of D2 asserting that ash is scum, and then mysteriously out of nowhere hammers faust? Seems like someone was encouraged to do that in their daychat.

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« Reply #899 on: August 10, 2016, 02:56:21 pm »

Seprix D3:

Yeah, Ashersky was just such an easy target, and there was nothing inherently wrong with Faust that I could see. I got over my initial revulsion and gave it a second look. It made total sense to pit town!Ash against towny Faust.
Really? Or maybe you scum bussed?
Which was picked up by gkrieg, and Seprix gave no reasonable argument against the argument.

e did not even vote. Come on, that's incredibly scummy! He doesn't want to stand out, and he didn't want to bus his partner.
Maybe he's have had a chance if you hadn't bussed so quickly?

vote: J Reggie out of self-preservation.
Or bussing again?

Vote Count 3.7

e (2): iguanaiguana, J Reggie
J Reggie (5): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302, Seprix

Not Voting (2): Egork, Haddock

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.
Another hammer?
faust & JReggie must have been coaching you really well to get you to hammer both of them.
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« Reply #900 on: August 10, 2016, 02:58:16 pm »

So in summary, Seprix has hammered 2 scum, but faust was such an unbelievably obvious bus that would have been encouraged on the daychat.
And JReggie was just to self-preserve.

And nothing else has been remotely townie.
If it's been up to you, we'd have had no plan this game and scum would've had better read information.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #901 on: August 11, 2016, 10:49:39 am »

Bump

We can probably assume egork has disappeared. The case on Joseph is that he played too well. Which is no case at all.

The case on seprix is artificial looking hammers, hedging, and generally scummy play (like resistance to the d1 plan). I think the choice is clear
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« Reply #902 on: August 11, 2016, 10:58:29 am »

I'll put together a Joseph case tonight probably.  It's not a simple as "he played well".  His play feels like it's informed. Hard to explain what I mean. Hopefully you'll see.

Meanwhile seprix has done stupid stuff and stuff that looks bad but he's done that in every game I've played with him.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #903 on: August 11, 2016, 01:17:39 pm »

Bump

We can probably assume egork has disappeared. The case on Joseph is that he played too well. Which is no case at all.

Probably Egor isn't coming back- how long has it been since he last posted?
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« Reply #904 on: August 11, 2016, 01:22:16 pm »

So I mean we have 3 days, but I don't think that I will be swayed away from voting Seprix, so it seems like at this point, unless Jimmmm or EgorK comes back and both vote for Joseph, Seprix will be the lynch
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« Reply #905 on: August 11, 2016, 01:45:45 pm »

Also, I'm scum again.
It makes me sad that I am still not scum with ash, now that I finally have the chance again.
Except that isn't true, because you and ash are my scum buddies.

Vote: faust
This could come straight from daychat.  "You've done this a bunch lately Joseph, do it again and people will think you're towny for it.  Oh and in one of the times, tie together a scum and a towny."
Though actually, would a scumteam with Joseph in it have Joseph say this and then make faust and ash the duel?  Maybe not.





I will follow the Ghoul plan tonight, target the person on the list after me.

I love your plan. I bow before its simple genius and vow to follow it unless I forget to submit a night action on time.

Only it's chairs plan. Though it is good and I'll follow on it

In other news I finally read all you posted while I was sleeping. Jimmm's answers seems off, but he confronting ash do not make much sense otherwise. Joseph repeating his behavior from earlier town game seems much more interesting and I do not see why he had not been given much scrutiny for doing this (there were votes, but I think their motivation had much more to do with behavior itself, not associated meta)

I'd Vote: Joseph for now

I like this post by EgorK.  Seems very townie and genuine.
Agree, a sensible enough post to seem towny.
Throwing shade for no reason.  The word "seem" is totally unnecessary.

And just to clarify, this plan definitely 100% works, right?
So we'll definitely kill scum N1.
That seems really good for us.

PPE: 1
Look at me, liking a protown plan a bunch.
What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.
Scum is obliged to kill (see the setup)- if they don't nominate someone, then a random town player gets chosen.
If 2 or more scum are consecutive numbers then it doesn't matter, as one scum will definitely die.
This is 100% guaranteed.

PPE: 2
WHAT A GREAT PLAN THIS IS AND I'M SUPPORTING IT, LOOK!
To be clear, this plan does NOT tell us about anyone's alignment. It just guarantees one dead mafia.
True, but it's 1 dead mafia.
That's pretty fricking good.
I LOVE THIS PLAN MORE THAN MY LIFE!
Seriously I think this is overkill.
And then this, which is more overkill but also seems really tacked on, "oh look town would be disappointed, I am too":
Also, annoying that the plan didn't work.


That's like the good ole days.  I'm almost double the nearest poster, who is surprisingly JIMMMMM.

Townpoints for Jimmmmmm for being so active.
Scumponts for Jimmmmmm for earning townpoints.

faust is strangely absent.  He's usually the top in post numbers.  Iguana/Haddock/Joseph are in the sweet acti-lurking scum slots.

vote: joseph
I'm always in the slightly lurky
Unnecessarily defensive?


So on a quick reread I've noticed this:

ash seems to be calm & collecting in his posting
faust seems to be very defensive & self-conscious

That's leaning me towards faust being scum.
Will reread properly this evening.
Daychat: "Joseph, bus me for these reasons."

I should be around for deadline.

I currently strongly prefer JReggie to e, and can't see another good wagon at the moment.
Nyeh.  Maybe Joseph's reads are just suspiciously good.



I look over this and it does seem pretty weak overall.  I dunno.  Maybe Seprix is right.  He does seem much more obviously scummy.  But he's always scummy. 

I'll probably end up just saying screw it and lynching Seprix.  But wanted to get the above out there before I did.

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #906 on: August 11, 2016, 03:27:50 pm »

With scum daychat, do you think I'd play this badly? I mean, now that I have said it, it's going to be all WIFOM, but still.
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« Reply #907 on: August 11, 2016, 03:28:34 pm »

Of course Scum is going to pick me in the duel. There's nobody else to pick!
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« Reply #908 on: August 11, 2016, 03:28:52 pm »

If I was scum, I would have picked Haddock or someone else, not Joseph.
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« Reply #909 on: August 12, 2016, 08:39:34 am »

e, gkrieg, wanna respond to my "case" on Joseph at all?

The more I look at it the weaker it gets, so unless you guys see it and suddenly magically agree, I'll probably go ahead and finish Seprix off.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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« Reply #910 on: August 12, 2016, 08:40:58 am »

e, gkrieg, wanna respond to my "case" on Joseph at all?

The more I look at it the weaker it gets, so unless you guys see it and suddenly magically agree, I'll probably go ahead and finish Seprix off.

Sorry, haven't had the chance between work and signing a rental agreement for a new house and stuff.
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« Reply #911 on: August 12, 2016, 08:43:31 am »

But yeah, I read it, not going to convince me.

The whole plan caught scum off guard. I think that scum would have more of a reaction like seprix- skeptical, then eventually gung-ho when they realized it was inevitable. Joseph just went for it.
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« Reply #912 on: August 12, 2016, 08:45:29 am »

And the whole "reads are too good thing" is overblown. Look at my reads all game. I missed faust D1, but from d1 I had ashersky town, seprix and reggie scum. If seprix is scum, then I was spot on the entire game.
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« Reply #913 on: August 12, 2016, 08:46:33 am »

e, gkrieg, wanna respond to my "case" on Joseph at all?

The more I look at it the weaker it gets, so unless you guys see it and suddenly magically agree, I'll probably go ahead and finish Seprix off.

Sorry, haven't had the chance between work and signing a rental agreement for a new house and stuff.
No need to apologise.  I wasn't really nagging, just wanted to make sure I didn't forget about this game as much as anything else.

But yeah, I read it, not going to convince me.

The whole plan caught scum off guard. I think that scum would have more of a reaction like seprix- skeptical, then eventually gung-ho when they realized it was inevitable. Joseph just went for it.
Fair.  His bussing of faust and Reggie felt too perfect as well, but that does happen I guess.

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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #914 on: August 12, 2016, 08:48:13 am »

I mean, granted, this game would be an anomaly for me to have been spot on like that, but still. It is possible for town to have correct reads. In fact, I would say scum will have about 50% correct reads. Bus a partner, call a partner town. Seprix instead did flip flops on both. D2: Ash is scum....no wait, faust is. And similar (not quite like that) with reggie.
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« Reply #915 on: August 12, 2016, 09:45:18 am »

Sorry I signed for a house yesterday and we get it today! 

So I'm not gonna change my vote and hope this game is over!  I think the case was well thought out, but unconvincing. If Joseph really was scum, MVP for sure
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« Reply #916 on: August 12, 2016, 09:53:47 am »

vote: Seprix then.
Don't think that's the hammer because Joseph unvoted.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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« Reply #917 on: August 12, 2016, 10:16:51 am »

Sorry I signed for a house yesterday and we get it today! 

So I'm not gonna change my vote and hope this game is over!  I think the case was well thought out, but unconvincing. If Joseph really was scum, MVP for sure

No, Joseph was obviously coached by Faust, who should really get the MVP if scum wins somehow. It's the only explanation, really. Joseph just doesn't make reads like that!
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« Reply #918 on: August 12, 2016, 10:17:45 am »

I am asking all of you to do what I did: Just throw away what your brain tells you and vote the other way. Just this once. Please! That's all it will take. Come on, finish this epic town victory and vote for Joseph. He is just so obviously scum...
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« Reply #919 on: August 12, 2016, 01:25:26 pm »

Sorry I signed for a house yesterday and we get it today! 

So I'm not gonna change my vote and hope this game is over!  I think the case was well thought out, but unconvincing. If Joseph really was scum, MVP for sure

No, Joseph was obviously coached by Faust, who should really get the MVP if scum wins somehow. It's the only explanation, really. Joseph just doesn't make reads like that!

Man, you must have pretty good knowledge of the scum qt to say that. Because in my opinion faust did nothing on D1 and then was the obvious lynch D2. Not MVP worthy. If Joseph is scum then he would be mvp I think. But....I don't think that is the case
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« Reply #920 on: August 12, 2016, 06:37:47 pm »

Joseph, come and hammer?
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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« Reply #921 on: August 12, 2016, 06:40:27 pm »

Sorry I signed for a house yesterday and we get it today! 

So I'm not gonna change my vote and hope this game is over!  I think the case was well thought out, but unconvincing. If Joseph really was scum, MVP for sure

No, Joseph was obviously coached by Faust, who should really get the MVP if scum wins somehow. It's the only explanation, really. Joseph just doesn't make reads like that!

Man, you must have pretty good knowledge of the scum qt to say that. Because in my opinion faust did nothing on D1 and then was the obvious lynch D2. Not MVP worthy. If Joseph is scum then he would be mvp I think. But....I don't think that is the case

There's daychat, and there's no way Joseph could make all of those brilliant cases. It's the only explanation...
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« Reply #922 on: August 12, 2016, 06:40:58 pm »

Man, you guys are going to regret this. I am 1000000% town, and it's obvious.
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« Reply #923 on: August 12, 2016, 06:41:16 pm »

I'm not sure what else I can really do at this point. You guys won't believe me.
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« Reply #924 on: August 12, 2016, 06:43:44 pm »

I'm glad town is so inactive that we can't even get a hammer when we have come to a consensus
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« Reply #925 on: August 12, 2016, 06:45:22 pm »

I'm not sure what else I can really do at this point. You guys won't believe me.
Nyeh. I think you're about 55/45 to be town. No way that's enough to convince the rest.
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« Reply #926 on: August 12, 2016, 06:45:49 pm »

Sorry I signed for a house yesterday and we get it today! 

So I'm not gonna change my vote and hope this game is over!  I think the case was well thought out, but unconvincing. If Joseph really was scum, MVP for sure

No, Joseph was obviously coached by Faust, who should really get the MVP if scum wins somehow. It's the only explanation, really. Joseph just doesn't make reads like that!

Man, you must have pretty good knowledge of the scum qt to say that. Because in my opinion faust did nothing on D1 and then was the obvious lynch D2. Not MVP worthy. If Joseph is scum then he would be mvp I think. But....I don't think that is the case

There's daychat, and there's no way Joseph could make all of those brilliant cases. It's the only explanation...
Why did you wait to make this point until I'd already made it?
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« Reply #927 on: August 12, 2016, 07:02:31 pm »

Why did you wait to make this point until I'd already made it?

I didn't consider it, although I did say that Joseph was playing too perfectly.
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« Reply #928 on: August 12, 2016, 07:03:23 pm »

I'm glad town is so inactive that we can't even get a hammer when we have come to a consensus

I know, right? But I love the cases. Too towny to be town vs too scummy to be scum
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I'm glad town is so inactive that we can't even get a hammer when we have come to a consensus

I know, right? But I love the cases. Too towny to be town vs too scummy to be scum

Cases to lynch Joseph that is
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« Reply #930 on: August 12, 2016, 07:10:24 pm »

A town player can play badly, but do you ever see scum play badly? No.
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« Reply #931 on: August 12, 2016, 07:18:18 pm »

A town player can play badly, but do you ever see scum play badly? No.

Usually Joseph is scummy because of his reactions to things, not because of his reads. Like I would think that he gets mislynched so often because he is a little bit weird of a player. Not because he has bad distancing when scum. So I don't think the argument that his reads are too good is a very good excuse. I'll go look at his stats
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« Reply #932 on: August 12, 2016, 07:20:00 pm »

He has never not been lynched as scum 

But his reads aren't usually anything special. Not really a big enough sample
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« Reply #933 on: August 12, 2016, 07:30:37 pm »

A town player can play badly, but do you ever see scum play badly? No.

Yes I have
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #934 on: August 12, 2016, 07:43:36 pm »

A town player can play badly, but do you ever see scum play badly? No.

Usually Joseph is scummy because of his reactions to things, not because of his reads. Like I would think that he gets mislynched so often because he is a little bit weird of a player. Not because he has bad distancing when scum. So I don't think the argument that his reads are too good is a very good excuse. I'll go look at his stats
Gonna carry on playing devil's advocate here.
His stats and usual play are almost irrelevant in the presence of daychat with someone like faust.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #935 on: August 12, 2016, 07:44:05 pm »

But I do think scum!Joseph would be paying more attention and would have hammered by now.
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« Reply #936 on: August 12, 2016, 08:09:16 pm »

Not if he's not online...
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« Reply #937 on: August 12, 2016, 08:09:35 pm »

Oh, but he is. Well, sorry town, I let you down..
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« Reply #938 on: August 12, 2016, 09:04:59 pm »

Sorry for not getting that re-read done sooner...

I'll throw in a Vote: Joseph
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #939 on: August 12, 2016, 09:22:34 pm »

unvote


Why a vote for Joseph?
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« Reply #940 on: August 12, 2016, 09:24:18 pm »

I don't know... Seprix's scrambling seems Towny but maybe that's just me getting sucked in.
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« Reply #941 on: August 12, 2016, 09:27:33 pm »

I don't know... Seprix's scrambling seems Towny but maybe that's just me getting sucked in.

I do want to hear from Joseph again now.  I agree, I didn't think that Seprix would try this hard, but it is the only game that he is alive in, so maybe he would.  I'm just surprised that Joseph has been so silent
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #942 on: August 13, 2016, 02:08:53 am »

Request: Vote Count
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« Reply #943 on: August 13, 2016, 02:09:41 am »

Oh, but he is. Well, sorry town, I let you down..
Wasn't online at that time.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #944 on: August 13, 2016, 05:44:39 am »

But I do think scum!Joseph would be paying more attention and would have hammered by now.
Did I miss a forced win? :(
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« Reply #945 on: August 13, 2016, 06:18:51 am »

But I do think scum!Joseph would be paying more attention and would have hammered by now.
Did I miss a forced win? :(
You can still just hammer!
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #946 on: August 13, 2016, 06:22:40 am »

But I do think scum!Joseph would be paying more attention and would have hammered by now.
Did I miss a forced win? :(
You can still just hammer!
Didn't Gkrieg unvote?
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« Reply #947 on: August 13, 2016, 06:24:14 am »

unvote


Why a vote for Joseph?
Yep, I can go L-1 but not hammer anymore :(
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« Reply #948 on: August 13, 2016, 06:24:58 am »

Although Vote: Seprix so this doesn't happen again.

This is L-1
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« Reply #949 on: August 13, 2016, 06:28:44 am »

I see no unvote. That should be the hammer.
Just tell us already!
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« Reply #950 on: August 13, 2016, 06:33:16 am »

I see no unvote. That should be the hammer.
Just tell us already!
There's an unvote quoted 2 posts above your last post.
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« Reply #951 on: August 13, 2016, 06:33:46 am »

Reply #938
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« Reply #952 on: August 13, 2016, 07:04:11 am »

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« Reply #953 on: August 13, 2016, 07:05:34 am »

I missed all of that stuff including Jimm's vote.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #954 on: August 13, 2016, 11:53:37 am »

- cv::( -

Vote Count 4.3

Joseph2302 (2): Seprix, Jimmmmm
Seprix (2): e, Joseph2302

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« Reply #955 on: August 13, 2016, 12:43:42 pm »

thats about 24 hours to the end of the day
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« Reply #956 on: August 13, 2016, 12:59:05 pm »

I'm almost exactly dead centre now. Joseph's behaviour wrt the opportunity to lynch seprix is towny. "Forced win" is a natural phrase that town would use and not scum I think. A "good" lynch is not a win for scum after all.
Plus scum him would surely have been around and hammered.
So I lean again perhaps towards seprix.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #957 on: August 13, 2016, 02:13:49 pm »

vote: Seprix
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« Reply #958 on: August 13, 2016, 02:14:13 pm »

Sorry I'm moving so busy busy and won't get to look at the game again
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« Reply #959 on: August 13, 2016, 02:57:20 pm »

Joseph, I have a question for you.

How did you play so well?
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« Reply #960 on: August 13, 2016, 06:46:36 pm »

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« Reply #961 on: August 13, 2016, 06:46:49 pm »

And that's the hammer 🔨
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« Reply #962 on: August 13, 2016, 06:51:55 pm »

And.....?
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« Reply #963 on: August 13, 2016, 06:52:06 pm »

Flip.....?
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« Reply #964 on: August 13, 2016, 06:56:19 pm »

Joseph, I have a question for you.

How did you play so well?
No idea.
Although I probably shouldn't have bussed JReggie D2.
But hey, it's working okay, going to be 1 v 4 with no info.
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« Reply #965 on: August 13, 2016, 06:57:08 pm »

In case it isn't obvious enough, I'm bad.

Gg
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« Reply #966 on: August 13, 2016, 06:58:27 pm »

Ugh
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« Reply #967 on: August 13, 2016, 06:59:07 pm »

Soz Seprix - you were an easy target.
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« Reply #968 on: August 13, 2016, 07:06:51 pm »

Joseph was already voting for me! That's not a lynch!
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« Reply #969 on: August 13, 2016, 07:07:02 pm »

UNBELIEVABLE!
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« Reply #970 on: August 13, 2016, 07:07:28 pm »

Note to f.ds mafia community. Every time I read seprix as scum he is town.

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« Reply #971 on: August 13, 2016, 07:08:13 pm »

Joseph was already voting for me! That's not a lynch!

Oh. Haha.

Vote: joseph
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« Reply #972 on: August 13, 2016, 07:08:34 pm »

Wow, Joseph blew it. Just incredible... I cannot believe my luck.
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« Reply #974 on: August 13, 2016, 07:10:45 pm »

Man, I didn't think Joseph would actually out that he was scum when he fake hammered. Unreal. I'm so glad I didn't react initially.
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« Reply #975 on: August 13, 2016, 07:11:32 pm »

Wow, Joseph blew it. Just incredible... I cannot believe my luck.

Our luck. We are a team as town. Haha.

But really. I need to realize when you seem super scum, you are probably town.
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« Reply #976 on: August 13, 2016, 07:12:23 pm »

This entire game was just a huge luck fest. But man, it was a fun luck fest.
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« Reply #977 on: August 13, 2016, 07:15:07 pm »

This entire game was just a huge luck fest. But man, it was a fun luck fest.

Not entirely. I do think scum trying to duel ashersky D2 was a bold choice because ashersky was very towny in my opinion
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« Reply #978 on: August 13, 2016, 07:15:19 pm »

This entire game was just a huge luck fest. But man, it was a fun luck fest.
Game's not over.
There's not actually been a hammer lol.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #979 on: August 13, 2016, 07:16:18 pm »

Also I'm town.
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« Reply #980 on: August 13, 2016, 07:23:07 pm »

In case it isn't obvious enough, I'm bad.

Gg

Yeah, that damned you. I guess next time, you'll make sure you hammer for real.  ;D
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« Reply #981 on: August 13, 2016, 07:35:26 pm »

vote: joseph
I was right!  Damn me and my lack of conviction.
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« Reply #982 on: August 13, 2016, 07:35:55 pm »

Wow, Joseph blew it. Just incredible... I cannot believe my luck.

Our luck. We are a team as town. Haha.

But really. I need to realize when you seem super scum, you are probably town.
This. All of this.
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« Reply #983 on: August 13, 2016, 07:38:17 pm »

vote: joseph
I was right!  Damn me and my lack of conviction.
Also, yeah, hammer stats.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
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« Reply #984 on: August 13, 2016, 07:39:01 pm »

That was a good ending to a good story.
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« Reply #985 on: August 13, 2016, 08:24:23 pm »

Indeed.

That IS the game, right?
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« Reply #986 on: August 13, 2016, 08:34:12 pm »

I guess we will find out.
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« Reply #987 on: August 14, 2016, 12:05:34 am »

I guess we will find out.

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« Reply #988 on: August 14, 2016, 12:06:23 am »

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« Reply #989 on: August 14, 2016, 02:55:18 am »

- In a glorious victory, the three Baudelaire orphans had defeated every obstacle in their path! -

Final Vote Count Day 4

Joseph2302 (4): Seprix, Jimmmmm, e, Haddock
Seprix (2): Joseph2302, gkrieg13

Not Voting (1): Egork

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« Reply #990 on: August 14, 2016, 02:56:42 am »

Game over! Town wins!

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« Reply #992 on: August 14, 2016, 03:08:47 am »

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« Reply #993 on: August 14, 2016, 03:47:32 am »

Good game everyone, really enjoyed the duel mechanic.
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« Reply #994 on: August 14, 2016, 04:12:29 am »

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« Reply #995 on: August 14, 2016, 04:32:08 am »

Uhhhh silver? Hate to break it to you, but two of those links are the same.

That is a catastrophe! Couldn't you have told me more gently? :'(

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« Reply #996 on: August 14, 2016, 06:05:34 am »

Well I screwed up big time.
Soz guys.
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« Reply #997 on: August 14, 2016, 06:32:49 am »

Well I screwed up big time.
Soz guys.

You did.

But then again, if we had won with none if the original scum alive, it would have felt kinda empty.
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« Reply #998 on: August 14, 2016, 06:34:26 am »

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.
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« Reply #999 on: August 14, 2016, 07:14:34 am »

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.
Well it's not like we had any real evidence either way...
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« Reply #1000 on: August 14, 2016, 07:28:19 am »

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.
Well it's not like we had any real evidence either way...
That's not a fault of the setup though, just the consequence of everyone being inactive.
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« Reply #1001 on: August 14, 2016, 07:51:40 am »

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.
Well it's not like we had any real evidence either way...
That's not a fault of the setup though, just the consequence of everyone being inactive.
Huh?
Inactivity had nothing to do with the lack of alignment changes in this game.

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?
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« Reply #1002 on: August 14, 2016, 08:01:36 am »

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?
Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum. That didn't seem fun.
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« Reply #1003 on: August 14, 2016, 09:53:52 am »

You could tweak the game where there is no final duel, and players just have to find the final scum. So only a duel as long as 2 or 3 scums are still alive.

You lose a little bit of the superfast pace with that tweak though.
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« Reply #1004 on: August 14, 2016, 10:01:57 am »

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?
Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum. That didn't seem fun.

I agree. Especially because the last scum to flip wouldn't win. If I had changed alignment I would've just outed myself because there was no possible way of winning at that point.
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« Reply #1005 on: August 14, 2016, 10:03:10 am »

Also that's not the point. How can you comment about whether alignment changes are good on not based on this game?
Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum. That didn't seem fun.

I agree. Especially because the last scum to flip wouldn't win. If I had changed alignment I would've just outed myself because there was no possible way of winning at that point.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1006 on: August 14, 2016, 11:12:59 am »

Thanks all, good game.  I enjoyed it.

I think gkrieg's fix is good.  I believe there is a still a way to make alignment changes work.

Thanks with the MVP, too.  That puts me in the all-time lead for MVP nods!
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« Reply #1007 on: August 14, 2016, 11:49:41 am »

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« Reply #1008 on: August 14, 2016, 11:50:53 am »

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.
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« Reply #1009 on: August 14, 2016, 01:30:07 pm »

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

there might actually be truth to that. It's possible that in paying more attention you lose yourself in details, and that getting broad-stroke impressions of style yields better results.

Of course, it's also possible that it was variance.

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« Reply #1010 on: August 14, 2016, 01:32:21 pm »

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

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« Reply #1011 on: August 14, 2016, 01:34:29 pm »

I remain unconvinced that alignment changes are a good idea.

I was never convinced that they are, they were just the most practical solution to the problem you get in implementing duels: if scum wins, he just gets lynched the next day.

Another solution is to kill a big number of town players instead of converting one, but that has other problems.

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« Reply #1012 on: August 14, 2016, 01:47:50 pm »

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

there might actually be truth to that. It's possible that in paying more attention you lose yourself in details, and that getting broad-stroke impressions of style yields better results.

Of course, it's also possible that it was variance.
The last is the most likely.

You do succeed in nailing down my biggest problem with my town play; I often find (possible confirmation bias alert) that my gut reads are not so very terrible but I don't want to articulate my gut reads too often. Why? Hard to say. Fear of being wrong?  Knowing I won't be able to support them? Most likely it's because I know the expectation is to give proper rereads and deeper analysis so I attempt that, with varying success.
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RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1013 on: August 14, 2016, 02:28:13 pm »

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

I guess I misunderstood the wording in the setup, because I thought the conversion was instead of a NK. Reading it again, I can see it either way, but it's still confusing.

I feel like scum played pretty badly here, myself included. Joseph was doing OK until he claimed scum.

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« Reply #1014 on: August 14, 2016, 02:32:58 pm »

Thanks for the game silver. Really good.
I'm really happy with my reads this game. Maybe I should always pay that little attention.

there might actually be truth to that. It's possible that in paying more attention you lose yourself in details, and that getting broad-stroke impressions of style yields better results.

Of course, it's also possible that it was variance.
The last is the most likely.

You do succeed in nailing down my biggest problem with my town play; I often find (possible confirmation bias alert) that my gut reads are not so very terrible but I don't want to articulate my gut reads too often. Why? Hard to say. Fear of being wrong?  Knowing I won't be able to support them? Most likely it's because I know the expectation is to give proper rereads and deeper analysis so I attempt that, with varying success.

I've been doing alright recently doing gut reads only and deeper analysis only when necessary.
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« Reply #1015 on: August 14, 2016, 02:33:41 pm »

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

I guess I misunderstood the wording in the setup, because I thought the conversion was instead of a NK. Reading it again, I can see it either way, but it's still confusing.

I feel like scum played pretty badly here, myself included. Joseph was doing OK until he claimed scum.
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« Reply #1016 on: August 14, 2016, 02:34:38 pm »

Well, second post.
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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1017 on: August 14, 2016, 02:44:28 pm »

Well, the way for scum to win was to force a situation that is basically a new vanilla game with 5 players and 1 scum.

Players kept saying that, but it's actually not true. It would have been a 3-1, not a 4-1, because one town player dies (duellist), one gets converted, and one is NK'd, so it takes 3 away. That means it'd have been a no-lynch followed by a final duel. Basically the game resets to a situation where you have one day time to chat, and then a duel, and whichever side wins that also wins the game.

I guess I misunderstood the wording in the setup, because I thought the conversion was instead of a NK. Reading it again, I can see it either way, but it's still confusing.

I feel like scum played pretty badly here, myself included. Joseph was doing OK until he claimed scum.
you mean in his first post?

No, I mean at the end, which is why we lost.

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1018 on: August 14, 2016, 08:30:41 pm »

Hey ss, would you be willing to look over an idea I had for a setup?

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Re: M83: Duel Mafia (Game Over, Town Wins!)
« Reply #1019 on: August 14, 2016, 08:38:27 pm »

Hey ss, would you be willing to look over an idea I had for a setup?

I would! just send me a PM.
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