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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1150 on: February 03, 2014, 12:39:33 pm »

Faust, at least give this time for discussion!
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1151 on: February 03, 2014, 12:39:43 pm »

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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1152 on: February 03, 2014, 12:39:57 pm »

Oh shoot, Robz is right. L-1 on PPS, someone please unvote

Why?
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1153 on: February 03, 2014, 12:40:34 pm »

Because you're voting a freaking claimed cop before anyone has had a chance to react. We have like a week to go, even if you will eventually go there, why does it need to be now
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1154 on: February 03, 2014, 12:41:15 pm »

Vote Count please
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« Reply #1155 on: February 03, 2014, 12:42:20 pm »

Because you're voting a freaking claimed cop before anyone has had a chance to react. We have like a week to go, even if you will eventually go there, why does it need to be now

Yes, well fine. It's not like I was stating intent to hammer. What's the problem with him being at L-1? I think everyone in this game knows better than to derphammer.
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« Reply #1156 on: February 03, 2014, 12:44:27 pm »

I had NO idea he was at that many votes, and we have very few vote counts to go off of. If I didn't know he was at 4, someone else could just as easily not know he's at 5.

The problem with him being at L-1 is that it's just inferior to him not being at L-1 in every sense. Everyone's aware he's at L-1 and no one derphammers? Fine, we're in the exact same situation. Everyone's not aware he's at L-1? We're in a worse situation for no reason. Therefore, no reason for him to be at L-1.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1157 on: February 03, 2014, 12:44:35 pm »

Maybe I was a little too eager. It's just, this plan has been stuck in my head since the middle of D1, and I already had lost hope that there would be a chance to try it, so I was quite excited to see the Cop claim.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1158 on: February 03, 2014, 12:44:49 pm »

Because you're voting a freaking claimed cop before anyone has had a chance to react. We have like a week to go, even if you will eventually go there, why does it need to be now

Yes, well fine. It's not like I was stating intent to hammer. What's the problem with him being at L-1? I think everyone in this game knows better than to derphammer.

Wrong!
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1159 on: February 03, 2014, 12:48:31 pm »

Maybe I was a little too eager. It's just, this plan has been stuck in my head since the middle of D1, and I already had lost hope that there would be a chance to try it, so I was quite excited to see the Cop claim.

Did you know that faust wasn't on L-1?
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« Reply #1160 on: February 03, 2014, 12:48:46 pm »

Maybe I was a little too eager. It's just, this plan has been stuck in my head since the middle of D1, and I already had lost hope that there would be a chance to try it, so I was quite excited to see the Cop claim.

Did you know that faust wasn't on L-1?

And by faust I mean pingpongsam.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1161 on: February 03, 2014, 12:49:11 pm »

I was about to derphammer and then I read the "OH GOD IT'S L-1" post and realized some of the people I thought had unvoted earlier were actually still voting  :-[

So yes, it happens.

Also, intent - I agree that PPS's claim makes an info lynch very useful, and gives us a lot of benefit if true.

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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1162 on: February 03, 2014, 12:50:05 pm »

Chairs, Faust: Do you think that PPS is scum? Yes/no
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1163 on: February 03, 2014, 12:51:17 pm »

Maybe I was a little too eager. It's just, this plan has been stuck in my head since the middle of D1, and I already had lost hope that there would be a chance to try it, so I was quite excited to see the Cop claim.

Did you know that faust wasn't on L-1?

I guess you mean pps? I was fairly certain he wasn't because I usually realize when someone is put at L-1. But honestly, I might very well consciously have hammered him if I had had the chance.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1164 on: February 03, 2014, 12:52:07 pm »

Chairs, Faust: Do you think that PPS is scum? Yes/no

I am pretty null, with a slight town tendency on him. Always hard to read for me though.
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« Reply #1165 on: February 03, 2014, 12:52:41 pm »

Policy voting claimed cops is ridiculous, and an amazing way to get our cops to not claim. ICs aren't worth it if they come at the cost of a mislynch, which is the trade you guys are proposing.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1166 on: February 03, 2014, 12:54:10 pm »

Policy voting claimed cops is ridiculous, and an amazing way to get our cops to not claim. ICs aren't worth it if they come at the cost of a mislynch, which is the trade you guys are proposing.

See, and here we disagree. Plus, pps was the only wagon for a long time when he claimed. Doesn't that strike you as an odd timing for the claim?
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1167 on: February 03, 2014, 12:55:12 pm »

Vote Count 2.3

Eevee (1): Twistedarcher
yuma (2): chairs, Eevee
pingpongsam (4): AHoppy, Archetype, Robz888, faust

Not Voting (4): pingpongsam, scott_pilgrim, yuma, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1168 on: February 03, 2014, 12:57:52 pm »

Also, implying that other Cops won't claim if we lynch pps is ridiculous.
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« Reply #1169 on: February 03, 2014, 12:57:57 pm »

What you gain from lynching PPS is if he's town is that I'm an IC, and that you shouldn't vote me.

The thing is, we know that before we lynch PPS! The only way I'm scum is if PPS is also scum. Therefore, I should be off the table for today, and as long as PPS lives.

The only thing you gain from lynching PPS is that you shouldn't lynch me -- but you shouldn't lynch me regardless, since if you want to lynch me, you should lynch PPS.

Yes, you gain the information I'm town by lynching PPS, but that's at the cost of PPS, and another townie tonight. That's just absolutely not worth it in my eyes. I guarantee you I won't be a good enough IC to be worth the death of two townies.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1170 on: February 03, 2014, 12:58:54 pm »

If I get a town result on someone later on who's not getting lynched regardless? No freaking way am I claiming if I know I'm going to get immediately lynched. My claim would be detrimental to town.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1171 on: February 03, 2014, 12:59:58 pm »

Okay.... I don't like faust's plan AT ALL.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1172 on: February 03, 2014, 01:00:05 pm »

It's one thing to vote PPS because we think he's fakeclaiming, but that's not what is happening here. You are proposing lynching PPS even if we think he's town! We don't have enough town members to spare for this to happen.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1173 on: February 03, 2014, 01:01:43 pm »

If I get a town result on someone later on who's not getting lynched regardless? No freaking way am I claiming if I know I'm going to get immediately lynched. My claim would be detrimental to town.

But that's not happening. The first IC is the most important because A) they will be IC for the longest time. B) with two IC's, we cannot guarantee their protection.
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Re: MXXXVII - Diffusion of Power (D2)
« Reply #1174 on: February 03, 2014, 01:02:16 pm »

pps, why TA?
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