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Dominion => Dominion General Discussion => Topic started by: Kuildeous on August 16, 2012, 10:35:47 am
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I bought my Dark Ages from the RGG vendor. They no longer give promo cards with a purchase. I got a nice bag instead. Still would have rather had the promos.
So, if you are on the fence about buying Dark Ages at GenCon, don't let promos be the deciding factor. They're still going for $5 apiece.
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I bought my Dark Ages from the RGG vendor. They no longer give promo cards with a purchase. I got a nice bag instead. Still would have rather had the promos.
So, if you are on the fence about buying Dark Ages at GenCon, don't let promos be the deciding factor. They're still going for $5 apiece.
Bring pictures!
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CARD TEXTS!
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Thats the information we all wanted...
not
NEEED card texts
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Kuildeous, you'd rather be good guy greg than scumbag steve right??
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Jeez, calm down. You've waited a year, you can wait half an hour...
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That's just because you know the cards allready. ;)
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And I've kept my mouth shut for over a year! And another several months, until Guilds comes out ... :)
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Jeez, calm down. You've waited a year, you can wait half an hour...
But this is more fun :P
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And I've kept my mouth shut for over a year! And another several months, until Guilds comes out ... :)
Oh, just had to rub that in, didn't you.
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Always happy to add a little salt to the wound!
I'm more excited about Goko, really, but I still can't log in, so it's hard to stay excited :(
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Jeez, calm down. You've waited a year, you can wait half an hour...
Half an hour, my foot. We may have to wait at least until GenCon is over for the day.
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if theory already knows the entire set, is there any reason he can't spoil it? ???
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if theory already knows the entire set, is there any reason he can't spoil it? ???
I think Donald wants someone from GenCon to have the pleasure of snapping pictures and spoiling it.
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if theory already knows the entire set, is there any reason he can't spoil it? ???
Yes, the reason is he is a big meanie!
Haha
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I was upfront in admitting that I'll be too busy playing Dark Ages to post anything on them.
If I wasn't on phone, I'd try to upload some pictures, but I am not in that position.
If someone hasn't beat me to it, I'll provide info when I get home.
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I was upfront in admitting that I'll be too busy playing Dark Ages to post anything on them.
Never have I wished harder for a thumbs-down or –1 button.
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I +1'ed your post as a virtual -1 to Kuildeous.
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But I am waiting for a game, so here's something.
Mystic
+1 Action, +2 Cards
Name a card. Reveal the top card. Of it's the named card, put it I'm your hand.
Catacombs
Look at the top 3 cards of your deck. Choose one: Put them in your hand; or discard them and +3 Cards.
When you trash this, gain a cheaper card.
Storeroom
+1 Buy
Discard any number of cards. +1 Card per card discarded. Discard any number of cards. +1 per card discarded the second time.
Now for my game.
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So Mystic is strictly superior to Laboratory at the same cost? I think we're missing something here.
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An you are now redeemed (slightly).
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Here's the corrected version of those cards from Kuildeous:
Mystic
$5
+1 Action
+$2
Name a card. Reveal the top card of your deck. If it's the named card, put it into your hand.
Catacombs
$5
Look at the top 3 cards of your deck. Choose one: Put them into your hand; or discard them and +3 Cards.
When you trash this, gain a cheaper card.
Storeroom
$3
+1 Buy
Discard any number of cards. +1 Card per card discarded. Discard any number of cards. +$1 per card discarded the second time.
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Mystic is just Wishing Well with +1 card and Catacombs is 3 card oracle with trash effect :(
That's underwhelming.
Storeroom is double Cellar, but it seems cool :D
Wait, Mystic is acutally great :) A non-terminal silver that gets you card thats on top of deck - it's easy to gain such knowledge which makes it awesome :)
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Storeroom seems to have potential.
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Catacombs seems like one of the better BM-enablers so far.
EDIT: It is also missing the attack portion; which is important for oracle.
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Catacombs seems like one of the better BM-enablers so far.
EDIT: It is also missing the attack portion; which is important for oracle.
Catacombs is like the opposite of Rabble.
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Heh, Storeroom:
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg548/Titandrake/DearPrincessCelestia.jpg)
Was on forums.
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Heh, Storeroom:
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg548/Titandrake/DearPrincessCelestia.jpg)
Was on forums.
Except it's pretty different because storeroom has a buy, is terminal, costs three, gives coin instead of cards for the second discard, and doesn't have the player interaction. But other than that, they're the same. ;)
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Catacombs seems like one of the better BM-enablers so far.
EDIT: It is also missing the attack portion; which is important for oracle.
I think Storeroom is an solid BM enabler, but I think it will be ever more amazing for Duchy/Duke and other Alt-VP rushes.
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I can see sooooo much analysis paralysis for Storeroom. I guess the proper way to use it would as a Cellar the first time around, with a Secret Chamber effect to compensate for a shitty new draw.
EDIT: It's a Cellar you're not afraid to discard Coppers to, because you know you'll at least get your money back. The only instance you'd hang on to them would be if Bank was around - and Storeroom seems like a bangin' Bank enabler, too, with its +Buy!
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Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.
It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.
It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.
It combos with Scout. So there's that.
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Except it's pretty different because storeroom has a buy, is terminal, costs three, gives coin instead of cards for the second discard, and doesn't have the player interaction. But other than that, they're the same. ;)
Oh, wait, didn't realize it gives coins. That makes it totally different.
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Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.
It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.
It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.
It combos with Scout. So there's that.
Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand. Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.
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Armory/Mistic seems fun. :)
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Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.
It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.
It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.
It combos with Scout. So there's that.
Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand. Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.
four mystics by themselves will get a province.
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Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.
It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.
It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.
It combos with Scout. So there's that.
Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand. Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.
four mystics by themselves will get a province.
But the Scout makes it better because you can also get some precious victory cards in hand and rearrange your deck first
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Interested in seeing what Mystic will do. So far, improve Spy(and scout) and more notably Cartographer, and weaken Rabble and Fortune Teller even further...
Catacombs is feeling like a weaker Cartographer but I know I'm wrong..
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Apothecary-Mystic will be pretty good. Also goes alright with Wishing Well since if you guess wrong, you at least know what the card on top is. Spy and Pearl Diver combo too, I suppose. Still seems a bit weaker for a $5. I can see many times where I might prefer a conspirator, but who know? Maybe the +1action up fron is that important.
EDIT: Semi-ninja'ed by feelingzwontfade
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four mystics by themselves will get a province.
A $5 card that's as good as a silver?
My heart is racing!
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I am not a big fan of Wishing Well type cards. That requires too much memorization on my part.
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Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.
It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.
It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.
It combos with Scout. So there's that.
Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand. Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.
four mystics by themselves will get a province.
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Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.
I agree that this is one of the more underwhelming DA cards (but something had to be, right?). However, it does seem balanced. If you get the card, you've got about a $7 effect. (The original draft of Grand Market was +1 Card, +1 Action, +$2 for price of $7 and seems about right there.) If you fail, you get a $3 effect. Basically, +1 Card on a non-terminal is the best a single vanilla bonus gets.
Anyway, the two possibilities average out to $5, so it seems like Mystic is well-worth it when you can skew the odds in your favor.
...And I think you can do that a lot more easily than you can with Wishing Well, whose unreliability might be clouding our judgment here. Sure, you can set Wishing Well up with Apothecary, Scout, etc, but the fact that it draws a card off the top prohibits you from using other combos, such as with Spy, Pearl Diver, Courtyard, Mandarin, Count, and, indeed, other Wishing Wells.
Mystic combos with everything Wishing Well combos with, plus all those others. And a chain of Mystics draws, at worst, half the number of cards as Mystics, which would seem to make each one individually average out to a $5 effect. Possibly this is a good strategy in a heavily-trashed deck, unlike with Wishing Well, which -- even if it did combo with itself, which it doesn't -- wouldn't net you any money.
I might be talking myself into thinking it interesting after all.
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I don't know, I mean conspirator only cost $4 and probably comboes with a lot more to get a consistent 1 action, i card +2$. I'm not saying it's not balanced, but I think most of the time this will probably behave like a $5 conspirator replacement.
Maybe, like you said, the extra top-card combos will be stronger than I am picturing though.
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I am not looking at the cards, but I remember Death Cart.
Let's see....costs 4. When you gain it, you gaines two Ruins.
It gives +5. If you do not trash an action, trash Death Cart.
Nice thing is that it provides you two actions when you gain it.
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I don't know, I mean conspirator only cost $4 and probably comboes with a lot more to get a consistent 1 action, i card +2$. I'm not saying it's not balanced, but I think most of the time this will probably behave like a $5 conspirator replacement.
Maybe, like you said, the extra top-card combos will be stronger than I am picturing though.
On the plus side, it doesn't have the risk factor of a Conspirator collision.
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I don't know, I mean conspirator only cost $4 and probably comboes with a lot more to get a consistent 1 action, i card +2$. I'm not saying it's not balanced, but I think most of the time this will probably behave like a $5 conspirator replacement.
Maybe, like you said, the extra top-card combos will be stronger than I am picturing though.
I don't necessarily disagree. But Conspirator is a LOT worse when it fails. At least Mystic gives you the +1 Action every single time. Additionally, Mystic can combo with itself if necessary, whereas Conspirator always needs outside help (plentiful though that help generally is).
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And I've kept my mouth shut for over a year! And another several months, until Guilds comes out ... :)
theory, you live in NYC, right? Let me buy you several drinks some time and we can talk about Dominion...
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Rebuild was neat. Reveal cards until you find a victory card. Trash it and gain a victory card costing up to 3 more. You name a card first and ignore it when it shows up. So you can skip Provinces if you want.
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Um, am I reading the OP wrong? "No free promo cards at Gencon" and "they cost $5" suggests to me that there's a promo card to be had. Any word on what it is?
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Sure, you can set Wishing Well up with Apothecary, Scout, etc, but the fact that it draws a card off the top prohibits you from using other combos, such as with Spy, Pearl Diver, Courtyard, Mandarin, Count, and, indeed, other Wishing Wells.
Yeah, this is the big thing. Mystic is much easier to set up than Wishing Well is. It even combos passably with Scout, because a single Scout can give guaranteed cards off of several Mystics.
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Um, am I reading the OP wrong? "No free promo cards at Gencon" and "they cost $5" suggests to me that there's a promo card to be had. Any word on what it is?
$5 for the old promos, I'm guessing. If there were a new promo at GenCon, I think somebody would have mentioned it by now.
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Um, am I reading the OP wrong? "No free promo cards at Gencon" and "they cost $5" suggests to me that there's a promo card to be had. Any word on what it is?
I think he means they are not giving out the promo cards when you buy the product, think he lists governor as the example
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Um, am I reading the OP wrong? "No free promo cards at Gencon" and "they cost $5" suggests to me that there's a promo card to be had. Any word on what it is?
I think he means they are not giving out the promo cards when you buy the product, think he lists governor as the example
That is correct. I'm still lacking two of them. I was planning on getting them both with this purchase. Alas, no.
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Mystic combos with everything Wishing Well combos with, plus all those others. And a chain of Mystics draws, at worst, half the number of cards as Mystics, which would seem to make each one individually average out to a $5 effect. Possibly this is a good strategy in a heavily-trashed deck, unlike with Wishing Well, which -- even if it did combo with itself, which it doesn't -- wouldn't net you any money.
I might be talking myself into thinking it interesting after all.
The very fact that Mystic guesses the top card, while Wishing Well guesses the second-to-top card, makes Mystic a lot easier to guess correctly; or at least greatly increases the number of things that help Mystic guess correctly.
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believe it or not I was hoping for mystic, wishing well is that much harder to pull of because you need to know the second card on Thor deck when you play pity. mystic is easier to pull of and has a lot of combos. love it!
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Hey Kuildeous, can you tell us your initial impression of DA after playing with the cards. Which are your favorites? Do some seem weak at first and are more powered after you play them or vice versa? What are your thoughts on DA?
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I only could play a few games, but an all-DA game is pretty wild. Normal strategies don't quite work. You have to really keep an eye out for tactics. We fell into some traps. I bought Rats in two games, but I saw the corner I was getting into so I didn't play them too much. They basically were dead cards for me. They would go great with Death Cart, though.
Cool expansion. Technically no new rules, but the cards are way different.