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[Beyond Awesome]

Catacombs seems like one of the better BM-enablers so far.

EDIT: It is also missing the attack portion; which is important for oracle.

Catacombs is like the opposite of Rabble.

[Grujah]

Heh, Storeroom:



Was on forums.

[Dsell]

Heh, Storeroom:



Was on forums.

Except it's pretty different because storeroom has a buy, is terminal, costs three, gives coin instead of cards for the second discard, and doesn't have the player interaction. But other than that, they're the same. 

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Catacombs seems like one of the better BM-enablers so far.

EDIT: It is also missing the attack portion; which is important for oracle.

I think Storeroom is an solid BM enabler, but I think it will be ever more amazing for Duchy/Duke and other Alt-VP rushes.

[werothegreat]

I can see sooooo much analysis paralysis for Storeroom.  I guess the proper way to use it would as a Cellar the first time around, with a Secret Chamber effect to compensate for a shitty new draw.

EDIT: It's a Cellar you're not afraid to discard Coppers to, because you know you'll at least get your money back.  The only instance you'd hang on to them would be if Bank was around - and Storeroom seems like a bangin' Bank enabler, too, with its +Buy!

[noon]

Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.

It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.

It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.

It combos with Scout. So there's that.

[Grujah]

Except it's pretty different because storeroom has a buy, is terminal, costs three, gives coin instead of cards for the second discard, and doesn't have the player interaction. But other than that, they're the same. 

Oh, wait, didn't realize it gives coins. That makes it totally different.

[werothegreat]

Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.

It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.

It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.

It combos with Scout. So there's that.

Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand.  Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.

[Grujah]

Armory/Mistic seems fun.

[Graystripe77]

Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.

It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.

It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.

It combos with Scout. So there's that.

Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand.  Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.

four mystics by themselves will get a province.

[jsh357]

Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.

It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.

It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.

It combos with Scout. So there's that.

Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand.  Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.

four mystics by themselves will get a province.

But the Scout makes it better because you can also get some precious victory cards in hand and rearrange your deck first

[feelingzwontfade]

Interested in seeing what Mystic will do. So far, improve Spy(and scout) and more notably Cartographer, and weaken Rabble and Fortune Teller even further...

Catacombs is feeling like a weaker Cartographer but I know I'm wrong..

[mnavratil]

Apothecary-Mystic will be pretty good. Also goes alright with Wishing Well since if you guess wrong, you at least know what the card on top is. Spy and Pearl Diver combo too, I suppose. Still seems a bit weaker for a $5. I can see many times where I might prefer a conspirator, but who know? Maybe the +1action up fron is that important.

EDIT: Semi-ninja'ed by feelingzwontfade

[polonkus]

four mystics by themselves will get a province.

A $5 card that's as good as a silver?
My heart is racing!

[Beyond Awesome]

I am not a big fan of Wishing Well type cards. That requires too much memorization on my part.

[Kirian]

Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.

It's kind of like a Conspirator Plus. Instead of having to have played 2 actions, you have to know what the top card of your deck is. But if you don't know, you get the action back anyway.

It occurs to me that if you play two Mystics you'll get to draw one card at least.

It combos with Scout. So there's that.

Four Mystics and a Scout is an ideal hand.  Well, it'll get you a Province, at least.

four mystics by themselves will get a province.

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[rinkworks]

Mystic seems pretty weak. +2$ is about the bare minimum I'd expect from a cost 5 card. Compared to Festival you're giving up a buy and an action for a chance at a card.

I agree that this is one of the more underwhelming DA cards (but something had to be, right?).  However, it does seem balanced.  If you get the card, you've got about a $7 effect.  (The original draft of Grand Market was +1 Card, +1 Action, +$2 for price of $7 and seems about right there.)  If you fail, you get a $3 effect.  Basically, +1 Card on a non-terminal is the best a single vanilla bonus gets.

Anyway, the two possibilities average out to $5, so it seems like Mystic is well-worth it when you can skew the odds in your favor.

...And I think you can do that a lot more easily than you can with Wishing Well, whose unreliability might be clouding our judgment here.  Sure, you can set Wishing Well up with Apothecary, Scout, etc, but the fact that it draws a card off the top prohibits you from using other combos, such as with Spy, Pearl Diver, Courtyard, Mandarin, Count, and, indeed, other Wishing Wells.

Mystic combos with everything Wishing Well combos with, plus all those others.  And a chain of Mystics draws, at worst, half the number of cards as Mystics, which would seem to make each one individually average out to a $5 effect.  Possibly this is a good strategy in a heavily-trashed deck, unlike with Wishing Well, which -- even if it did combo with itself, which it doesn't -- wouldn't net you any money.

I might be talking myself into thinking it interesting after all.

[mnavratil]

I don't know, I mean conspirator only cost $4 and probably comboes with a lot more to get a consistent 1 action, i card +2$. I'm not saying it's not balanced, but I think most of the time this will probably behave like a $5 conspirator replacement.

Maybe, like you said, the extra top-card combos will be stronger than I am picturing though.

[Kuildeous]

I am not looking at the cards, but I remember Death Cart.

Let's see....costs 4. When you gain it, you gaines two Ruins.

It gives +5. If you do not trash an action, trash Death Cart.

Nice thing is that it provides you two actions when you gain it.

[Beyond Awesome]

I don't know, I mean conspirator only cost $4 and probably comboes with a lot more to get a consistent 1 action, i card +2$. I'm not saying it's not balanced, but I think most of the time this will probably behave like a $5 conspirator replacement.

Maybe, like you said, the extra top-card combos will be stronger than I am picturing though.

On the plus side, it doesn't have the risk factor of a Conspirator collision.

[rinkworks]

I don't know, I mean conspirator only cost $4 and probably comboes with a lot more to get a consistent 1 action, i card +2$. I'm not saying it's not balanced, but I think most of the time this will probably behave like a $5 conspirator replacement.

Maybe, like you said, the extra top-card combos will be stronger than I am picturing though.

I don't necessarily disagree.  But Conspirator is a LOT worse when it fails.  At least Mystic gives you the +1 Action every single time.  Additionally, Mystic can combo with itself if necessary, whereas Conspirator always needs outside help (plentiful though that help generally is).

[jotheonah]

And I've kept my mouth shut for over a year!  And another several months, until Guilds comes out ... 

theory, you live in NYC, right? Let me buy you several drinks some time and we can talk about Dominion...

[Kuildeous]

Rebuild was neat. Reveal cards until you find a victory card. Trash it and gain a victory card costing up to 3 more. You name a card first and ignore it when it shows up. So you can skip Provinces if you want.

[mischiefmaker]

Um, am I reading the OP wrong? "No free promo cards at Gencon" and "they cost $5" suggests to me that there's a promo card to be had. Any word on what it is?

[blueblimp]

Sure, you can set Wishing Well up with Apothecary, Scout, etc, but the fact that it draws a card off the top prohibits you from using other combos, such as with Spy, Pearl Diver, Courtyard, Mandarin, Count, and, indeed, other Wishing Wells.

Yeah, this is the big thing. Mystic is much easier to set up than Wishing Well is. It even combos passably with Scout, because a single Scout can give guaranteed cards off of several Mystics.