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[LaLight]

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some serious discussion here

[Witherweaver]

I'll maintain that he hasn't popsted though.

WW, do you have reads yet ?

Only those that I already posted.  Well, more or less.

[SpaceAnemone]

That's fine, but why immediately assume I was lying and not consider faust as the liar there?

Bias :-) I get faust's brain way better than yours, and he's sounding sensible.

[Witherweaver]

That's fine, but why immediately assume I was lying and not consider faust as the liar there?

Bias :-) I get faust's brain way better than yours, and he's sounding sensible.

Scum likes to be sensible.

[Swowl]

I still do not see a huge upside for town here but, upon review, my itial thoughts were pertaining to info gathered on day 1. Order claiming for the improved potential to catch skum down the road actually seems like a good idea to me.

I was #15.

[Galzria]

#1 - Faust
#2 - Space
#3
#4
#5 - Archetype
#6
#7 - TWM
#8 - Galzria
#9 - Teproc
#10 - Gkrieg
#11
#12 - 2.718
#13
#14 - LaLight
#15 - DatSwan
#16 - Eevee
#17

Not claimed: WW, Teproc, IDPTG, Qvist, Ash, Jimmm, O

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Why are we giving scum our Draft order? So they can know who beat them to the PR's they bid on? Seems reasonable.

IYou can extrapolate that down the line for all players who chose a PR and lost.

This seems bad.

It doesn't really work for anyone but Space. And it's not particularly likely that scum!Space and I would have gone for the same PR anyway.

Why not?  Depends on strategy, which the scum team was able to formulate.

I mean, if you are both scum, it is all moot.

It basically works best for the lowest # VT, then less well after, dying out at around #10 maybe for usefulness?

First things first: NOT PENNY’S BOAT

Don't like claiming draft order at all.

Why is that? Sure, lower positioned draftees may have better PRs (or at least have a PR) but judging from M100 several low draftees were actually vanilla. This also helps direct town PRs that may exist where to target without shooting blindly in the dark.

How about this, all draftees position 7 and above claim

vote: e

I think the idea is terrible to begin with, but I'll participate as I'm obviously out voted by my fellow townies. The point I made and that Ash followed up on is accurate though. All we're doing (especially in the higher bids) is narrowing down significantly scum's pool of players with likely PR's. If scum has #3 and was beaten, for example, they know Space/Faust took it from them.

This gets to be less of a problem the further back you go, as the pool of potential players grows. This makes e's suggestion super scummy - it's essentially trying to minimize the operation while giving scum maximum knowledge.

[gkrieg13]

I'll probably compile a list of draft order later, though I might not get to it, pretty busy today.

PPE good!

[gkrieg13]

Also, ash seems kind of fake against the plan.  Doesn't sound right from him.

vote: ash

[Teproc]

I'd say nothing sounds more like town!ash than "your plan sucks and I won't participate, here's a much bolder plan we should be doing instead".

[gkrieg13]

I'd say nothing sounds more like town!ash than "your plan sucks and I won't participate, here's a much bolder plan we should be doing instead".

I'm saying that while yes, those words sound like town!ash, the feeling behind them didn't seem ash enough.  It didn't sound enough like our plan sucked.

[Teproc]

Galz, either you're misunderstanding e's proposal or I'm misunderstanding your argument. If it's the former: in e's proposal there, faust, Space and Arch wouldn't have claimed for example.

[Witherweaver]

I'd say nothing sounds more like town!ash than "your plan sucks and I won't participate, here's a much bolder plan we should be doing instead".

I'm saying that while yes, those words sound like town!ash, the feeling behind them didn't seem ash enough.  It didn't sound enough like our plan sucked.

Eh

[Galzria]

Galz, either you're misunderstanding e's proposal or I'm misunderstanding your argument. If it's the former: in e's proposal there, faust, Space and Arch wouldn't have claimed for example.

I read "above" as "better" - If I'm incorrect I'll retract my vote.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

vote: Eevee

Fence sitting.

[Witherweaver]

I agree.

Vote: Eevee

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Well, yes, that works fine, assuming everyone agrees that we do it. If some of us claim and then the rest doesn't, it's not really helpful.

If some of us do it, then there will be clear obvious gaps that the, hopefully minority, will either be forced to back fill for us, or risk getting lynched. That information isn't worth getting lynched for if you are town so we would only be lynching mafia

Perfect world and all, but I like it.

No, no, no. I will not participate in lynching anyone simply because they refuse to claim. Threats of "claim or be lynched" are terrible. Each player should do what they are convinced is the right thing to do

I think I was unclear again. My bad. I don't mean someone who is against claiming is automatically lynched, although I do see that my post implies that.

I mean, that in my book, if you are against claiming at a time where your info would complete the puzzle that is going to give you major scum points and would be a reason, among others, to lynch. But it wouldn't be the only reason to lynch.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Oh. Well Eevee ended up moving off the fence and claiming, but I think the point still stands for his original posts.

[Witherweaver]

Galz, either you're misunderstanding e's proposal or I'm misunderstanding your argument. If it's the former: in e's proposal there, faust, Space and Arch wouldn't have claimed for example.

I read "above" as "better" - If I'm incorrect I'll retract my vote.

I was also not clear if that meant less than or greater than in numerical value under standard metric.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Also, screw it, I guess.  I was anti-claiming numbers for this very reason.

I was #1.  vote: faust

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Not as funny as I wanted.  I wish I had thought of it immediately after your claim.

Hahahahah.

Wait? I don't get it. What is the joke?

[Eevee]

Yeah. Seems pretty hard to make reads this early.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Is it time for prods yet?  Like, TWM and Datswan and whomever?

WTF?

I had just barely posted this morning and already have ~ 10 posts not counting the ones I just barely posted.

[Teproc]

I guess I don't see how e could possibly have been proposing what Galz is suggesting, as either alignment, and the fact that Galz is suggesting that he thought that's what was happening is scummy. I can see how it is semantically ambiguous, but contextually it should have been rather clear.

[Teproc]

WW, are you going to claim your draft order ? Or did I miss it?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Has WW had a stance on claiming? He might be sitting on the fence, but just not being public about it.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

WW, are you going to claim your draft order ? Or did I miss it?

Oooohhhh. We are on the same brain wave. Cyberspace high five!