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[spiritbears]

And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.

Robz is a WW Mason who got recruited by WW Neighbors (Mcmc)?  The counterclaim is always the real one (see previous games).  Mcmc coming up liar again and again.

Here's what ai think is going on....
There are no "masons". Or "neighbors"
One confirmed ww lover, his lover still out there...
Doubtful any other ww's
Likely a cult exists that is recruiting.  Likely razz was recruited based on me somewhat believing liop.
Which likely requires a cult leader....arch if he's not a sk
Likely there are at least two other groups---
I happen to think vampires are likely one group.
CT seems unlikely given the way razz behaved today.
If there is a CT, can I join you?  Lynch me and recruit me!
And last thought
Suicide is painless....

[eHalcyon]

Vote Count 3.4

Archetype (1): Axxle
ashersky (2): Archetype, Morgrim7
mcmcsalot (3): ashersky, liopoil, spiritbears
spiritbears (3): Razzishi, mail-mi, mcmcsalot

Not voting (5): Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, jotheonah, Robz888

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT

[eHalcyon]

IMPORTANT!

I fully intend to be offline for pretty much all of Tuesday.  To that effect, I am going to actually sign out of f.ds right after this post to mitigate as much temptation as possible.  Have a great day everyone.

[mcmcsalot]

Again not caught up but I think massclaim is not smart at this point. We have at minimum one lynch that we're mostly all agreed on, correct (spiritbears)? So we might as well lynch him today and if the lynch isn't clear tomorrow, massclaim then.

I agree with this as we all ready have alotof claims, I will get them together now.

[Eevee]

Acknowledging there are 12 new pages to read, but I don't have the time to do it now. I'll get there though!

[mcmcsalot]

Okay here is all the information:

Claims in the order they came

mcmcsalot - Bulletproof Lover, Neighborizer
Galzria - Alarmist Doctor
mcmcsalot - Werewolf
Axxle - 24(werewolf)
Razzishi - Werewolf
Galzria - Werewolf, Cult doctor/Regular Doctor, confirms razzishi is werewolf
Archetype - Werewolf
mcmcsalot - I claim morgrim as Werewolf
morgrim - yeah, sure, whatever(werewolf)
Ashersky - Werewolf, confirms galz is alarmist doctor
Axxle - 24 is omega which is ww for werewolf
Ashersky - vengekill
mail-mi - Werewolf
Razzishi - QT with archetype
Archetype - Werewolf mason with Razzishi
Archetype - Werewolf one shot psychologist(axxle can kill but hasn't yet)
Mail-mi - Werewolf watcher(watched axxle, no one targeted him)
Razzishi - claims arch lied to protect him, He was a CT with SpiritBears, axxle, Jtotheonah. Was recruited by arch to be Werewolf.
Archetype - claims eevee and arch are Werewolf masons that had a one shot masonizer, they recruited razzishi.
Razzishi - confirms eevee is in QT, CT's have one shot revive/recruit, one shot reincarnate(kills user), nk when one left.
Liopoil - confirms arch targeted razzishi night 1
Dsell - Werewolf
Jtotheonah - Werewolf Bomb
Ashersky - confirms galz role claim
Liopoil - Werewolf masons with mail-mi and robz, factional vig, confirms mail-mi watcher, one of liopoil and robz is tracker, the other voyeur. Nighttalk only. Night one vigged morgrim. Targetted arch who targeted razzishi, was targeted by noone. N2 vigged jorbles, targeted axxle, nobody targeted him.

List of Everyone's Role

1. Archetype – Werewolf mason wt. Eevee, one shot Psycologist.
2. Ashersky – Werewolf vengekill
3. Axxle- Werewolf
4. Axxle2 – Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. Dsell - Werewolf
6. Eevee – (werewolf mason wt. Arch)
7. Galzria – Werewolf Alarmist cult/regular Doctor
8. Jorbles – Lynchproof Werewolf Lover
9. Jtotheonah – Werewolf Bomb
10. Liopoil – Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Robz888, Tracker/Voyeur
11. Mail-mi – Werewolf Mason wt. Liopoil & Robz888. Watcher
12. Mcmcsalot – Bulletproof Werewolf Lover, Neighborizer wt. Morgrim(Jorbles) & Robz888
13. Morgrim7 – Hammer changer (lynchproof werewolf lover wt. Mcmc)
14. Robz888 – (Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Liopoil, tracker/voyeur)
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 1

1. Archetype – Targeted Razzishi, recruited to Werewolf
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jtotheonah
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
11. Mail-mi – Vig Morgrim, Watch Archetype who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot
13. Morgrim7 – Dead
14. Robz888 – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 2

1. Archetype – Targeted Axxle, has ability to kill
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2 – Dead
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jorbles
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted
11. Mail-mi – Vig Jorbles, Watch Axxle who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot – Neighborized Robz888
13. Morgrim7
14. Robz888 – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted
15. Spiritbears

[mcmcsalot]

So far the only night action we have that is a direct contradiction to each other is night 2. Archetype claimed to investigate axxle for the ability to kill, Liopoil/Mail-mi claim they watched nobody target axxle.

[mcmcsalot]

Mcmcsalot – Morgrim

Archetype – Razzishi – Eevee

Liopoil – Mail-Mi – Robz888

Also these are the people who have confirmed everything the others said as true, I am going to assume this even though I know not technically. If anyone is going to claim they do not support the claims of another in there group, say so now.

Interesting that our issue is between two groups of 3 people. While the safe thing is to vote spiritbears I'm not sure its the smartest. I think we should figure out which group is lying, also if arch/razz/eevee is telling the truth we have found all the CT.

Last problem is we have a missing NK from night one. Liopoil/mail-mi/robz are the only to claim having a nk, and say they vigged morg and then jorbles. Jorbles was the only nk night 2 and we know are doctor spared noone. Night 1 Galz doctored Joth wh didn't die but someone Nk'd axxle2.

[mcmcsalot]

Okay here is all the information:

Claims in the order they came

mcmcsalot - Bulletproof Lover, Neighborizer
Galzria - Alarmist Doctor
mcmcsalot - Werewolf
Axxle - 24(werewolf)
Razzishi - Werewolf
Galzria - Werewolf, Cult doctor/Regular Doctor, confirms razzishi is werewolf
Archetype - Werewolf
mcmcsalot - I claim morgrim as Werewolf
morgrim - yeah, sure, whatever(werewolf)
Ashersky - Werewolf, confirms galz is alarmist doctor
Axxle - 24 is omega which is ww for werewolf
Ashersky - vengekill
mail-mi - Werewolf
Razzishi - QT with archetype
Archetype - Werewolf mason with Razzishi
Archetype - Werewolf one shot psychologist(axxle can kill but hasn't yet)
Mail-mi - Werewolf watcher(watched axxle, no one targeted him)
Razzishi - claims arch lied to protect him, He was a CT with SpiritBears, axxle, Jtotheonah. Was recruited by arch to be Werewolf.
Archetype - claims eevee and arch are Werewolf masons that had a one shot masonizer, they recruited razzishi.
Razzishi - confirms eevee is in QT, CT's have one shot revive/recruit, one shot reincarnate(kills user), nk when one left.
Liopoil - confirms arch targeted razzishi night 1
Dsell - Werewolf
Jtotheonah - Werewolf Bomb
Ashersky - confirms galz role claim
Liopoil - Werewolf masons with mail-mi and robz, factional vig, confirms mail-mi watcher, one of liopoil and robz is tracker, the other voyeur. Nighttalk only. Night one vigged morgrim. Targetted arch who targeted razzishi, was targeted by noone. N2 vigged jorbles, targeted axxle, nobody targeted him.

List of Everyone's Role

1. Archetype – Werewolf mason wt. Eevee
2. Ashersky – Werewolf vengekill
3. Axxle - Werewolf
4. Axxle2 – Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. Dsell - Werewolf
6. Eevee – (werewolf mason wt. Arch)
7. Galzria – Werewolf Alarmist cult/regular Doctor
8. Jorbles – Lynchproof Werewolf Lover
9. Jtotheonah – Werewolf Bomb
10. Liopoil – Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Robz888, Tracker/Voyeur
11. Mail-mi – Werewolf Mason wt. Liopoil & Robz888. Watcher
12. Mcmcsalot – Bulletproof Werewolf Lover, Neighborizer wt. Morgrim(Jorbles) & Robz888
13. Morgrim7 – Hammer changer (lynchproof werewolf lover wt. Mcmc)
14. Robz888 – (Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Liopoil, tracker/voyeur)
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 1

1. Archetype – Targeted Razzishi, recruited to Werewolf
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jtotheonah
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
11. Mail-mi – Vig Morgrim, Watch Archetype who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot
13. Morgrim7 – Dead
14. Robz888 – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 2

1. Archetype
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2 – Dead
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jorbles
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted
11. Mail-mi – Vig Jorbles, Watch Axxle who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot – Neighborized Robz888
13. Morgrim7
14. Robz888 – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted
15. Spiritbears


apologies everyone, I messed up razzishi said arch lied about being a one shot psychologist. Now arch claims he did not target axxle. I am assuming arch did this because he believes razz who said CT's are axxle, jtotheonah, spiritbears, axxle2 and wanted to get one of them lynched. I think this was a silly way to do think but I understand claiming was weird for everyone.

[mcmcsalot]

While I was going through I grabbed a few quotes that interested me.

Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.

My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.

So far, claimed/dead WWs:

Jorbles
mcmc
Galz
Razz

Anyone else?  I mean, with 14 alive, a scum team needs what, 7 to win?  And that's insane.  So, do we think that WWs are part of town and we're searching for mafia?

so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.

mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype are ww.

Screw this.  I'm in the wrong group in your list, man.  Also, I confirm Galz is an Alarmist Doctor (but cannot confirm he's a WW).

So then, the sensible thing is WWs need to kill Cultists.

Here's the thing: mcmc is STILL the best lynch, because he has claimed neighborizer, the Cult safe claim.  So let's kill the Cult Leader, who says he's a neighborizer.

yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.

Okay these are ashersky playing a very anti WW game while pushing that we need to lynch cult, now this is before the whole CT thing went down. But Ash was the only one while we were all claiming pushing to kill a particular group, and that group wasn't simply non-WW. This just worries me as one of the claims I am not sure I believe. At this point I definitely do not think ashersky is the best lynch, we have more discrepancies to deal with. However I will keep an eye out and be wary of him.

Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.

Galz has you all snowed then.

This is one of a few of SpiritBears post that really claim not WW, this was at the time when many people had come out as ww as a majority.


Lastly, to point out why I hate playing with axxle & axxle2, theres no way with axxle2 being CT, axxle isn't CT. Otherwise he would either be able to identify the scum team immediately or he would not be allowed to identify the scum team. It just doesn't work. I think that evidence along with spirit bears posts mean those two are definitely CT, if thats the case I see no reason not to lynch one of them. SpiritBears hasn't claimed a role, neither has axxle, jtotheonah is a bomb. We have a lynch and a factional vig. Smartest thing it seems is to lynch joth and then nk spirit or axxle. We could lynch spirit or axxle and nk the other as well. Just make sure we don't leave us needing to nk joth. Ash I suggest you move your vig to one of these people. Galz you probably want to doctor morgrim. Because if there is a kill somewhere out there against the ww's, we don't want them killing 2 of us.

[Eevee]

Caught up!

I confirm everything razzishi and archetype said. Well, I don't know if razzishi lied to us, but my read is he didnt. I think we should lynch spiritbears/joth/axxle.

[Galzria]

Thing is, does having three neighborhoods make sense?

Mcmc/Jorbles + Robz
Archetype/Eevee + Razzishi
Mail-Mi/Robz/Liopoil

And of course then there's:

Axxle/Axxle2/Spiritbears/Joth/Razzishi (which is quite a lot for a "normal" scum team, yes?).

That leaves Morgrim, Ashersky, Dsell and Myself with no affiliations (at game start).

So to break it all up we have groups that look like:

{Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria}-{Morgrim}-{Jorbles, Mcmc}-{Robz}-{Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
{Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit}-{Razzishi}-{Eevee, Archetype}

(Groups with individuals separated where they've been split).

That's 16. If the original CT group are what we consider "scum", that's 5/16 - way too many. Especially if they have a resurrection.

So my guess is that they're town. Actual town. I don't think the WW's have a majority, I think combined scum factions do. But I think that only one scum faction has a NK, and that's {Liopoil, Mail-Mi, Robz}, which makes them likely Vampires (based on kill flavor). Go back and read Mail during (and leading up to) the WW claiming. I'm very doubtful that he is WW. Liopoil showed up late, and Robz has avoided this thread. Now go read Lio's claim. Night Talk (can't meet while sun is up), factional kill (hmm, who has that?), 3 unique powers.... Scummy scum scum in the "traditional" sense here.

Now, the next set of "scum" is Eevee, Arch and Razz. They most likely have no factional kill, but instead just recruit. Razz was quick to claim WW (and my "confirmation" was just that I picked up his breadcrumbs D2, nothing more), so I'm inclined to believe that's what they are. Which is interesting to me... Because I don't think we share the same natural alignment. Not sure here. This group worries me the most though. Cults need to be destroyed.

Lastly in the "group" section is mcmc/Jorbles. I'm not sure what to make of this right now. I don't like the idea of lovers/masons/neighborizers, but I know what Jorbles flipped, and there's been no counter claim on the lover - plus I read you as being genuinely frustrated... In a manner that's difficult to fake.

That leaves all the solo-claims. My guess is that a SK resides here, maybe something more insidious. My belief about the setup at this time is that CT's are town. Unlike most games, they're a minority and know who each other are - but they are town nonetheless. I don't think they have a NK amongst them, but it's possible they have a Vig.

I think there are 3 "other" factions, of mixed type and design floating around. I don't think any team knows the full makeup of their members.

Right now I kind of want to eradicate a possible cult more than anything else. That means {Arche, Eevee, Razz}, but I could see going with {Liopoil, Mail-Mi} instead to confirm their nature. I think the CT's are the smallest of the possible threats (to everybody) right now, so I don't think I support a lynch in that direction.

[mcmcsalot]

Interesting thoughts galz.

One thing that I realized through all of this, my pm states, you win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated. It says nothing about being half of the town. Which scum generally is.

I agree mail-mi, liopoil, robz are most likely typical scum vampires that have a nk. Interesting they claim to have tried to kill morgrim night one. When I think it is likely they killed axxle2. This is because there was only there nk night 2, that means they are the only team with an every night nighkill. Sk would have made a kill night one and two so I don't think that exists. The cult being arch/eevee/razz makes sense. arch could have recruited razz night 1 and eevee night 2? Me and jorbles were in fact harmless ww's.

JUST CHECKED NEIGHBORHOOD ROBZ IS NOT WW

[mcmcsalot]

Using your groups.

This is what everyone claimed to be at the start.
Alone to start {Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim}
Werewolf Lovers {Jorbles, Mcmc}
Group {Robz, Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
Conspiracy theorists {Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit, Razzishi}
Claim masons {Eevee, Archetype}

This is what we are now
Still alone {Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim}
Werewolf Lovers {Mcmc, Morgrim}
Vampires {Robz, Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
Conspiracy theorist {Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit}
Cult {Archetype, Eevee, Razzishi}

There has been one nk each night and we have one claimed nk.
So I think we need to take down vampires first and then hit the cult leader. Any extra nightkills need to be claimed immediately.
If I am left alive at endgame and I prevent the "town" from winning, I will self hammer. Due to the nature of my wincon, I think threats to me just have to be eliminated which would be vampires and probably cult or sk.

[Galzria]

If you ignore a Cult, they win.

There are 14 alive right now, and 3 Cult members.

After lynch and Nk, that's likely 12/4.

Again and you've got 10/5 - half the town.

Now, I'm immune to recruitment, and I can Doc one person each night. Combined with NK targets, maybe we stop one recruitment... But it's still risky business at best.

[Eevee]

We are not a cult. Masonry with a single recruit. We wont grow anymore.

[Eevee]

Well, being town is new. We thought we were scum trying to find our team at first.

[spiritbears]

I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with.  Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvote

[Eevee]

I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with.  Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvote

Why do you think this?

[Galzria]

I think we should lynch one of {Arch, Eevee, Razz} today. My preference is Eevee (Arch is too eager to die, Razz came from a different group). We should then direct the Vamp NK at Morgrim (sorry mcmc). This should result in 3 flips and give us a great idea of who's lying and who's not. If the Vamp's don't kill Morgrim, we lynch them sequentially tomorrow and the following days.

This kills a lot of birds with one stone, without crippling any one faction if indeed people are telling the truth.

[Eevee]

I don't like that plan.

[mcmcsalot]

What about this:

Alone to start {Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim}
Werewolf Lovers {Jorbles, Mcmc}
Vampires {Robz, Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
Conspiracy theorists {Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit, Razzishi}
Werewolf masons {Eevee, Archetype}

This makes ww's 4 out of 16 with one recruit but no nk. Giving 5 out of 16
Vampires are 3 out of 16
Conspiracy theorists are 5 out of 16
4 of you really need to claim what you really are. Morgrim was clearly self aligned to start probably cheese.
Ash/Dsell/Galz, what are you really. This is important to figure out what we need to do.

I am happy killing the vampires off, I am sure they are against my wincon and I think against the other factions wincons too.

[mcmcsalot]

I think we should lynch one of {Arch, Eevee, Razz} today. My preference is Eevee (Arch is too eager to die, Razz came from a different group). We should then direct the Vamp NK at Morgrim (sorry mcmc). This should result in 3 flips and give us a great idea of who's lying and who's not. If the Vamp's don't kill Morgrim, we lynch them sequentially tomorrow and the following days.

This kills a lot of birds with one stone, without crippling any one faction if indeed people are telling the truth.

Right so we kill off all the ww's and vampires so your zombie team can win galz? I will prove harmless as the game goes on, I cannot do anything at this point. So why kill me the one to claim ww originally. Everyone claimed ww as well but lets lynch origional most likely ww thats harmless and let all the unkown people remain unkown.

[mcmcsalot]

I will vote for one of Robz/mail-mi/liopoil most likely

[spiritbears]

I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with.  Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvote

Why do you think this?

I explained this in my previous post, The only thing we know for sure is that jorbles was ww lover--making there might be one more ww out there.  What followed was a huge string of crazy claiming, with eventually most people claiming ww---with everyone turning on people not claiming.  The whole thing seemed like a giant bandwagon and not likely the true story about what's happening in this town.