Well, I've got a lot to say. I've been avoiding this thread because it makes me angry. I'll be more specific: Voltaire,
you are making me angry. Like out of my mind punch-my-fist-through-my-computer angry. And I rarely get too upset in these games, butI just have such a visceral, furious response to your posts that it's like impacting stuff.
Normally I would probably just try to ignore this and move on, but I think what's twisting the knife particularly deeply is that you are the IC. Which in essence means that I know your motives are "pure", and this is actually making it worse. Like, I could shrug it off if I could just chalk up your behavior to a scum tactic. (It has worked for scum before--ehunt did this to me as scum in M-XVI, and I wrongly thought he was town the rest of the game.) Like in M31, I was legitimately frustrated with you, but part of that was because I did genuinely think you were the Serial Killer, and you were enacting a shrewd strategy to destroy me. Well you weren't the SK, but you were part of an opposite faction so you had some legitimate cause to provoke me.
Okay, this game. I am quite sick of hearing stuff like this from you:
The flaw in your reasoning, yuma, is that town should not vote for scumslips. Easy-peasy now. Note how I called out Robz D1 for this. He should know better by now.
My reaction to this is "Well f--- you." And I did already try to explain to you my position on this, and you told me
No. Never happens. Not in 3095u309520396820393 million years.
Like I would be happy to continue discussing this with you--that's what we should do when we disagree--but man, you are SO frustrating here. Maybe it's just because in my head I can't fall back on, "Maybe he's trying to push my buttons because he's scum" that it's getting to me, but it's really getting to me.
Sure, odds were always against my not-to-self explanation. The problem is, I didn't see any good explanation from faust as to why it happened. There should be some reason for it, it's not something you accidentally type. Yuma's explanation was a fine one, but yuma made it, not faust.
And this has nothing to do with scumslips as like a genre. I understand that they have now almost always yielded mislynches, fine fine, but this... well it wasn't really a scumslip. He wrote something that didn't make any sense for a town-aligned person to write, and he gave no explanation for why a town-aligned person DID write it.
ALSO--and well I will forgive you for not finding this persuasive, but I must insist it nonetheless--I did not expect faust to be lynched without me being able to reflect on my vote more. I thought the rest of the case was stupid, and said so. I had recently come over from the sudgy wagon on the basis of the "slip" alone. Sure, I'm responsible for his death, but you and yuma ask how anyone could ever lynch over something like this again, and the honest answer is I hadn't yet committed lynching the guy, though what he had said up to that point justified my vote.
Obviously this is all a little stupid at this point. He was town, he wrote it anyway, I don't understand why, okay, but obviously I was wrong.
Still, Voltaire, if you want me to engage with you, you need to like hear me out without just dismissing stuff in the most arrogant ways possible. And I note that it's not just me feeling like this--yuma is also feeling this way:
hey... you using inflammatory language that i find rather offensive in regard to me... you bet i am going to react emotionally. not to manipulate you but because i am a person with emotions.
And you're like refusing to vote for anyone else? COME ON MAN--WE NEED YOU TO LIKE TURN DOWN THE BLINDERS.
I actually lean null-town on yuma, all things considered. Scum hammers in shrewd and calculated ways; town hammers at inopportune and frustraitng moments. To me, hammering faust seems like it would be taking a risk for very little reward.*
Yuma's hedging has been sort of scummy, I grant you, but well his actions are sort of just weird to have to explain regardless.
But anyway, I feel like my read on yuma is a little polluted, because you Voltaire are bullying him and it makes me sympathetic to him and it throws off my read. So stop it please.
*Actually I did come up with a possible reason for scum!yuma to do this--I should think that yuma hammering in such a sort of surface scummy way like that makes him more likely to survive the night, since the scum team (or the non-yuma team, if yuma is scum) probably looks at him as a strong non-them lynch candidate for the next day.
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