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Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« on: December 01, 2021, 11:03:47 am »
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Weekly Design Contest 136: ‘Tis the Season

December has just begun, which means the holidays are soon around the corner. Therefore to help everybody get into the holiday spirit, here’s the contest for this week (I checked and the same idea was done 2 years ago, so I’m not repeating the idea too soon)

Design a card that provides some sort of benefit to all other players either when played (exs. Council Room, Bishop, Vault) or gained (Lost City, Embassy). Events are also allowed (like Bargain) and I suppose if you really thought about it you could make a Project or Way as well, so I’ll allow those.

Remember that a “benefit” doesn’t always have to help your opponent (sometimes they don’t want that free Silver). Happy Holidays and happy designing! :D

EDIT: Submissions are open until Dec. 8, 8 PM EST
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2021, 12:40:00 pm »
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Desolate Village
$4 - Action
+1 Card and +2 Actions.
You may trash a card from your hand.
When you gain this, each other player may trash a card from their hand.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2021, 05:09:09 pm »
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Does it have to benefit all other players?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2021, 05:49:02 pm »
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Does it have to benefit all other players?

Yep, that’s the idea. I’ll update the original post for that detail.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2021, 11:22:00 pm »
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An "iron" variant with Night as a fourth type option (since Night cards usually aren't Action/Treasure/Victory/Curse and vice-versa).  You'll always have at least one Night card you can gain because you can gain another Santa's Workshop.  Instead of a one-time bonus, you get to enact an ongoing bonus for everyone that gives a bit more control to you:  The toy's owners get the option to save the +Action or +$ and the option to make the +Card a card you saved from the previous turn. 

I originally was going to have the fourth one be +Buy to complete the set, but it didn't seem as interesting, and I wanted a way to take the toys out of play so the bonuses wouldn't necessarily be permanent.  So instead you can use Santa's list to get everyone's toys taken away---or get your own toys taken away if you get greedy and use Santa's Workshop to get another Santa's Workshop.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2021, 01:44:02 am »
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Lab is significantly better than Scheme, so Toy Train should probably provide a Horse.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2021, 06:17:27 am »
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We've already had a design contest with this name btw: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20842.0
Of course, there's nothing wrong with doubling up, that contest was about Season cards!
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2021, 11:01:05 am »
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Lab is significantly better than Scheme, so Toy Train should probably provide a Horse.

or give everyone else an optional Moon's Gift/Harbinger
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2021, 11:27:04 am »
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Lab is significantly better than Scheme, so Toy Train should probably provide a Horse.

Did you miss that you also get the +1 Card? It's Scheme + Lab for you, not just Scheme.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2021, 01:23:25 pm »
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Lab is significantly better than Scheme, so Toy Train should probably provide a Horse.

Did you miss that you also get the +1 Card? It's Scheme + Lab for you, not just Scheme.

It's not a Scheme, since you are topdecking a card from your hand, rather than an Action you have in play. It's considerably weaker than Scheme, since it is only useful when (1) you've drawn a card dead; (2) you have more $ than you need and want to reserve a Treasure for the following turn; (3) trying to collide cards (Treasure Maps, Moneylender with Copper, etc.); or (4) when you've drawn your deck and have more drawing capacity that would be useless if played. Scheme is much better because generally speaking a card you would want on top of your deck (i.e. in next turn's hand) is also a card you would want to play on the current turn.

That said, an Artifact that let you Scheme a card every turn would be way too powerful (unless it was much harder to gain).
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2021, 04:14:06 pm »
+1

I'm glad we get to revisit this, since that means I can enter the reworked version of my way-too-long original entry from last time which has lived rent free in my brain for two years:



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Haunt • $5 • Project
Gain a Ghost of Christmas Past
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At the end of the game, -6VP

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Ghost of Christmas Past • $0* • Night - Duration - Traveller
Choose a Treasure from your discard pile and set it aside with this. At the start of your next turn, play it twice.
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When you discard this from play, you may exchange it for a Ghost of Christmas Present.
(This is not in the Supply)
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Ghost of Christmas Present • $0* • Night - Duration - Traveller
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal an Action card and set it aside with this (discard the rest). At the start of your next turn, play it twice.
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When you discard this from play, you may exchange it for a Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come
(This is not in the Supply)
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Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come • $0* • Night - Duration - Traveller
Gain an Action costing up to $4 from the Supply and set it aside with this. At the start of your next turn, play it twice, then +9VP, each player (including you) gets +2 Coffers, and trash this.
(This is not in the Supply)

Design notes:
there's 6/pile, since you can't double up on buying a project
All the ghosts are based off the spirit Ghost. Thematically they tie to their "time" - past looks back (into the discard), present looks to the immediate future, yet to come works like summon and is only ever done once - after all, there's only one future, but many times to consider pasts and present. Completing the cycle nets you 3VP, but starting too late, not advancing sufficiently, or otherwise bailing on them (via trashing or what have you) gives you a –6VP for the hubris.

Side note:
AJL828, I'm sorry for entering a traveller line. I hope they're sufficiently similar that it's not too much of a situation to judge - I know how rough that can be.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2021, 09:54:02 pm »
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Here's my entry this week. You get a Mine and you get a Mine! Royal Mines upgrades a Copper straight to Gold (along with an extra Buy), at the cost of letting your opponents upgrade a Copper to Silver. Obviously strongest in the early game, though the gift to your opponents is quite a generous one. That said, each Copper they upgrade to Silver is a Copper they can't now upgrade to Gold. The +Buy can allow for continued Gold gains once starting Coppers are gone by letting you buy additional Coppers.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2021, 01:09:40 am »
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Choir
+1 Action
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Treasure card and an Action card. Put those cards into your hand and discard the rest. Each opponent does the same, except they choose one and put it on top and discard the rest.
$5 - Action

First ever contest entry.  My idea was to take the Farming Village model and apply it to Laboratory, eliminating the potential for dead draws by ensuring that you get the two most useful card types.  Hopefully the free draw sculpting it gives your opponents offsets the advantage enough that it still works at the same cost as the original.  If anyone has any art that could work, let me know and I'll make a render.

There is an unfortunate edge-case where you reveal a single card that is both a Treasure and an Action (ie. Crown or any +$ card while you have Capitalism) and have to stop there.  I could change the wording to only stop when you've revealed any two cards that are Treasures and/or Actions, but that gets pretty wordy, and it's pushing the word limit as it is.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2021, 01:33:36 am »
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First ever contest entry.

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Choir
+1 Action
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Treasure card and an Action card. Put those cards into your hand and discard the rest. Each opponent does the same, except they choose one and put it on top and discard the rest.
$5 - Action

Seems pretty cool. And welcome to the forums!

If the first card you reveal is e.g. Crown, I assume you stop there?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2021, 03:41:49 am »
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Grand Wharf
Action - Duration
$6
Now and at the start of your next turn: +3 Cards and +1 Buy
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While this is in play, each other player gets +1 Card at the start of their turn

An upgraded version of Wharf, it gives you one extra card compared to standard Wharf on both the current and next turn. However, your opponents also benefit, as they get a +1 Card bonus, similar to Council Room, except that the bonus card is at the start of their turn, and thus, is not affected by any discard attacks. In addition, if your opponent gets a second turn, such as with Outpost, the +1 Card applies to both turns. I initially had it as "at the start of each player's turn", which would mean that the person who played it would get a total of +4 Cards for the duration effect, but that seemed too strong, so I reduced it to "each other player's turn"

EDIT: Corrected the wording on the under-the-line part
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2021, 05:52:59 am »
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Looking Glass
$4 - Treasure - Command
Play a non-Command Treasure from the Supply, leaving it there.
Each other player may gain a copy of it.

In basic Kingdoms, Looking Glass offers you the flexibility of playing it as a Copper, Silver, or Gold, with the caveat that your opponents may choose to gain a copy of the emulated card.  I think it will probably get played most often as a Silver, with players only needing to play it as a Gold to hit certain price points.

Looking Glass will be more interesting when there are Kingdom Treasures available e.g. Scepters and even Loan.  There is a strong combo with Capital, but if opponents choose to gain Capitals, the pile will eventually empty and so players will no longer be able to exploit the interaction between Looking Glass and Capital.  However, if it turns out to be broken, I suppose the card could be revised to have similar wording to the original Overlord in order to avoid that.

There is no cost restriction, so Looking Glass can be played as Platinum or Fortune; players would just need to assess whether they will benefit more than their opponents.

There is a danger of piles running low quickly in games with more than one Kingdom Treasure (or Capitalism games), but those situations should be rare.

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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2021, 06:16:56 am »
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Charlatan (Action, $5)

+3 Cards
+1 Action
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When you gain this, each other player may play an Action card from their hand.

Non-terminal big draw, but your opponents get to play a card for free, possibly improving their hand and/or attacking everyone. For clarity, cards are played in clockwise order.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2021, 06:30:22 am »
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Charlatan (Action, $5)

+3 Cards
+1 Action
———
When you gain this, each other player may play an Action card from their hand.

Non-terminal big draw, but your opponents get to play a card for free, possibly improving their hand and/or attacking everyone. For clarity, cards are played in clockwise order.
This is obviously too good. It is two Labs vs something that is weaker than a Village (Coins and Buys evaporate when it is not your turn, Draw can be hurt by Militias).
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2021, 07:21:07 am »
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Charlatan (Action, $5)

+3 Cards
+1 Action
———
When you gain this, each other player may play an Action card from their hand.

Non-terminal big draw, but your opponents get to play a card for free, possibly improving their hand and/or attacking everyone. For clarity, cards are played in clockwise order.
This is obviously too good. It is two Labs vs something that is weaker than a Village (Coins and Buys evaporate when it is not your turn, Draw can be hurt by Militias).

There are edge cases where your opponents could actually do quite a lot on a Charlatan turn (e.g. if they have two King's Courts and a draw card in hand to kick off and they have gainers or Remodelers in their deck).  But in general, yes, a lot of Action cards don't provide much value if played outside your turn.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2021, 07:50:57 am »
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Charlatan (Action, $5)

+3 Cards
+1 Action
———
When you gain this, each other player may play an Action card from their hand.

Non-terminal big draw, but your opponents get to play a card for free, possibly improving their hand and/or attacking everyone. For clarity, cards are played in clockwise order.
This is obviously too good. It is two Labs vs something that is weaker than a Village (Coins and Buys evaporate when it is not your turn, Draw can be hurt by Militias).

There are edge cases where your opponents could actually do quite a lot on a Charlatan turn (e.g. if they have two King's Courts and a draw card in hand to kick off and they have gainers or Remodelers in their deck).  But in general, yes, a lot of Action cards don't provide much value if played outside your turn.

Would it work better if it just gave +4 Cards instead, rather than the nonterminal card draw?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2021, 09:23:40 am »
+1

First ever contest entry.

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Choir
+1 Action
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Treasure card and an Action card. Put those cards into your hand and discard the rest. Each opponent does the same, except they choose one and put it on top and discard the rest.
$5 - Action

Seems pretty cool. And welcome to the forums!

If the first card you reveal is e.g. Crown, I assume you stop there?

That's a good point, I hadn't considered the Action - Treasure edge-case.  I suppose it would also interact poorly with Capitalism for the same reason.  Do you think it's worth changing the card so it works as intended in those cases, or should I just accept that negative interaction as an unfortunate consequence of the design?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2021, 09:41:06 am »
+2

First ever contest entry.

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Choir
+1 Action
Reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a Treasure card and an Action card. Put those cards into your hand and discard the rest. Each opponent does the same, except they choose one and put it on top and discard the rest.
$5 - Action

Seems pretty cool. And welcome to the forums!

If the first card you reveal is e.g. Crown, I assume you stop there?

That's a good point, I hadn't considered the Action - Treasure edge-case.  I suppose it would also interact poorly with Capitalism for the same reason.  Do you think it's worth changing the card so it works as intended in those cases, or should I just accept that negative interaction as an unfortunate consequence of the design?

As a rule I’d suggest just accepting it, unless you have a really elegant fix that doesn’t add much text. Those cases are going to be rare anyway.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2021, 10:20:57 am »
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Redevelopment
cost $4 - Action
Trash a card from your hand.
Gain a card costing up to $3 more than it.
Each other player may trash a card from their hand.
If they do, they gain a card costing exactly $1 more than it.

EDIT: cost $3 -> $4. It was too easy to 3-pile out.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2021, 10:38:50 am »
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Redevelopment
cost $3 - Action
Trash a card from your hand.
Gain a card costing up to $3 more than it.
Each other player may trash a card from their hand.
If they do, they gain a card costing exactly $1 more than it.
Expand is priced at $7 because it does net you $5s. Free trash (nobody wants to blow up their Estates when they can Expand them later) is nice but does not compensate for that.

So this concept does not work (at any price).
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #136: ‘Tis the Season
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2021, 11:16:30 am »
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Redevelopment
cost $3 - Action
Trash a card from your hand.
Gain a card costing up to $3 more than it.
Each other player may trash a card from their hand.
If they do, they gain a card costing exactly $1 more than it.
Expand is priced at $7 because it does net you $5s. Free trash (nobody wants to blow up their Estates when they can Expand them later) is nice but does not compensate for that.

So this concept does not work (at any price).

ah yes no one would ever trash an estate when someone played bishop because they could play their own bishop and double its point value
and no one ever trashes coppers with governor when they could instead expand/mine them into silvers

please be a little more diplomatic/less sweeping with your critique.

I agree at $3 this is maybe underpriced, but at $5 its probably fine.
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