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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #125 on: May 12, 2016, 10:12:06 am »
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Or you guys can just use two D10s (d100 basically) to represent any number from 0-100. This also solves the problem in Prosperity where the 1s and 5s look damn near identical.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #126 on: May 12, 2016, 10:13:35 am »
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There's also this awesome thing called paper.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #127 on: May 12, 2016, 10:23:37 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2016, 10:26:42 am »
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I always use a calculator or a phone.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #129 on: May 12, 2016, 10:27:40 am »
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There's also this awesome thing called paper.

Paper was a great substitute for VP tokens up until the Gathering cards happened. Now it's a really mediocre substitute.

Personally I replaced my official Dominion VP tokens with these metal coins made for Viticulture. They were expensive, but so much easier both to pick up and to identify. Even when the official Empires tokens come out, I doubt I'll go back. They're just such a pain to use.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #130 on: May 12, 2016, 10:29:49 am »
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There's also this awesome thing called paper.

You're so wasteful. :(

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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #131 on: May 12, 2016, 10:30:25 am »
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There's also this awesome thing called paper.

You're so wasteful. :(



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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #132 on: May 12, 2016, 10:34:20 am »
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2016, 10:38:46 am »
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2vp seems odd and redundant to me.

Most currencies use the 1-2-5 series.

Thanks for that interesting link :)

Agreed.

However, here in the US we have a $2 bill that is almost never used.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2016, 10:39:45 am »
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However, here in the US we have a $2 bill that is almost never used.

Why do you have bills that small?
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2016, 10:41:55 am »
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However, here in the US we have a $2 bill that is almost never used.

Why do you have bills that small?

You mean like the $1 bill? Inertia. We technically have $1 coins, but nobody ever uses them. Also we still have pennies (1 coins) even though it costs more than 1 to produce one.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2016, 10:44:32 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

If our games get to that point, we generally use coin tokens as 10's.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2016, 10:46:01 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

Some people might say that the problem is with Goons itself!  :P
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2016, 10:46:01 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

If our games get to that point, we generally use coin tokens as 10's.
I've used embargoes as 20 VP tokens! Needless to say that was a very high scoring game.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2016, 10:54:06 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

If our games get to that point, we generally use coin tokens as 10's.
I've used embargoes as 20 VP tokens! Needless to say that was a very high scoring game.

But it will get confusing if you start replacing the gathered tokens on the Temple pile by an Embargo token.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2016, 11:00:46 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

If our games get to that point, we generally use coin tokens as 10's.
I've used embargoes as 20 VP tokens! Needless to say that was a very high scoring game.

But it will get confusing if you start replacing the gathered tokens on the Temple pile by an Embargo token.

Man, I am trying to imagine the Temple pile accumulating 20 VP. I just don't think it's ever happening, even after the Temples run out.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #141 on: May 12, 2016, 11:04:00 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

Just throw a few quarters in the box to be 25VP tokens.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #142 on: May 12, 2016, 11:32:09 am »
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I guess the point is that the trouble with the existing VP tokens has been the lack of 10's, since some Goons games can get crazy, especially with multiple players.

If our games get to that point, we generally use coin tokens as 10's.
I've used embargoes as 20 VP tokens! Needless to say that was a very high scoring game.
Oh yeah, that's right, I've done that too. I think one instance was on one of my first games ever with Prosperity, when I didn't realize the difference in the "while this is in play" wording of Goons, and tripled all of my VP tokens through KC. Whoops... That got just a bit absurd.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #143 on: May 12, 2016, 11:37:05 am »
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However, here in the US we have a $2 bill that is almost never used.

Why do you have bills that small?

US bills are actually all the same size.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #144 on: May 12, 2016, 12:04:59 pm »
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The most efficient use of tokens would be to use powers of 2 and have only one token of each denomination per player.
It depends what you want to be efficient. Tokens in every possible denomination would guarantee you only ever needed one of them in front of you; a whole bunch of 1VP tokens would guarantee each "gain 1VP" transaction was as simple as possible.

There is a balance to be struck.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2016, 01:10:49 pm »
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The most efficient use of tokens would be to use powers of 2 and have only one token of each denomination per player.
It depends what you want to be efficient. Tokens in every possible denomination would guarantee you only ever needed one of them in front of you; a whole bunch of 1VP tokens would guarantee each "gain 1VP" transaction was as simple as possible.

There is a balance to be struck.

I was specifically referring to the efficiency of the cost of producing the tokens as compared to the number of values they can represent. You are of course correct that there are other things that you might want to be efficient.

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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2016, 02:29:30 pm »
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I was specifically referring to the efficiency of the cost of producing the tokens
Oh! Well, now you have the problem that the up-front cost of making the die to stamp out coins is huge in relation to the cost of each coin. Making twice as many denominations probably costs a lot more than making twice as many coins. :-p
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #147 on: May 13, 2016, 01:13:05 pm »
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #148 on: May 14, 2016, 01:19:48 am »
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I don't know why, but the equal parts randomness and interaction in Chariot Race make me very, very happy, and make it something I'm really looking forward to using.

Though I guess there there are a great many ways to ensure that the outcome isn't "random" at all.
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Re: Empires Previews #3: VP Tokens
« Reply #149 on: May 15, 2016, 08:08:58 am »
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Those three are my favorites from the preview so far. Temple and Chariot Race are very interesting. Overall, I like that this expansion care about victory points. That was missing from other expansions. I hope there will be a new standard Alt VP card, like Feodum in Dark Ages.
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