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Release date
« on: May 10, 2016, 02:59:43 pm »
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Currently: May 25th.

It was delayed a week, as reported by Jay on BGG.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2016, 03:01:46 pm »
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Will full rules still be posted next week?
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2016, 03:07:27 pm »
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Re: Release date
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2016, 03:15:06 pm »
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Will full rules still be posted next week?

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Re: Release date
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2016, 03:39:03 pm »
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Yes, Amazon has mysteriously known this for a while.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 03:43:07 pm »
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I am so sad. I had two release events planned and everything.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 05:06:23 pm »
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I am so sad. I had two release events planned and everything.

Don't worry; once this is released, there will be way more than just two Events.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2016, 07:04:58 am »
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Is the May 25th release date the "I can pick it up from my FLGS" date or the "it gets put on the delivery truck to my FLGS" date? Will I be able to play it that night, or do I need to wait a few days after that?
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Re: Release date
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2016, 07:09:53 am »
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Currently: May 25th.

It was delayed a week, as reported by Jay on BGG.

In that case, you'd better get to work on previews #6-10.   ;D
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Re: Release date
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2016, 10:29:10 am »
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Is the May 25th release date the "I can pick it up from my FLGS" date or the "it gets put on the delivery truck to my FLGS" date? Will I be able to play it that night, or do I need to wait a few days after that?

My friendly local online game store told me previously that they were expecting it to be shipped on the 17th and arrive on the 18th, then the release date.  I'm assuming the same timeline just a week later.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 12:51:45 pm »
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Is the May 25th release date the "I can pick it up from my FLGS" date or the "it gets put on the delivery truck to my FLGS" date? Will I be able to play it that night, or do I need to wait a few days after that?
I don't know.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 01:34:46 pm »
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Man, I avoided Dominionstrategy for a long time because people started to talk about adventures and I wanted to discover these cards by playing them online, not by reading strategy articles about card I don't have played yet. Now, same thing will happen for Empires  :'(
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Re: Release date
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2016, 06:01:24 pm »
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This is terrible since my local gamestore always has board game specials on long weekends (a few days before the 25th in this case).
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Re: Release date
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 07:10:56 pm »
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Yes, Amazon has mysteriously known this for a while.

Amazon put up the wrong date.  When they found out, they pulled some strings and called in some favours to get the release date pushed back so that they were right all along.

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Re: Release date
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2016, 05:19:44 pm »
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Would someone post a link to the Amazon listing? I've searched for Dominion Empires on Amazon a lot, but I've never seen it in the search results.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2016, 02:34:44 am »
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I hate Goko (and Making Fun). It is so sad that I won't be able to play Empires before ShuffleIt version is available :-(
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Re: Release date
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2016, 08:29:13 pm »
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Currently: May 25th.

It was delayed a week, as reported by Jay on BGG.

Anything new on this?  I heard through the grapevine that ACD is telling retailers to expect it sometime around the beginning of June.   ???
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Re: Release date
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2016, 08:47:44 pm »
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Currently: May 25th.

It was delayed a week, as reported by Jay on BGG.

Anything new on this?  I heard through the grapevine that ACD is telling retailers to expect it sometime around the beginning of June.   ???
Nothing new as of today. May 25th would be shipping, not in-stores.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2016, 08:55:19 pm »
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the real question on everyone's mind though, is when is it coming to switzerland
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Re: Release date
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2016, 03:06:46 am »
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I was just going to ask, is there any information about release dates in different languages/countries?
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Re: Release date
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2016, 03:17:09 am »
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I was just going to ask, is there any information about release dates in different languages/countries?
I don't have any actual information. I suspect Altenburger has announced fall or Essen for Empires in Germany, because that is their way, but I don't know for sure if they have.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2016, 03:30:28 am »
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I was just going to ask, is there any information about release dates in different languages/countries?
I don't have any actual information. I suspect Altenburger has announced fall or Essen for Empires in Germany, because that is their way, but I don't know for sure if they have.

I'm following "Dominion Welt" on Facebook, they're usually early to announce the German version. So far, they haven't announced anything. I think Adventures came out in September, I wouldn't expect Empires to be any earlier
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Re: Release date
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2016, 04:40:13 am »
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I preorded via an American trader on ebay Austria and got his message today:

 Neue Nachricht von: just4fun0422
Hello, just wanted to make you aware that the shipping date for this item is incorrect. It looks like the Manufacturer has changed the street date for this item to 6/2/15. I will be sending you more information as I receive it. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and appreciate your patience.

Kyle / J4F

So 2nd of June is the date?!
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2016, 04:42:52 am »
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Talking about the release, has Rio Grande actually switched the printer or whoever was responsible for the mild production issues of Adventures? It's not a big thing but it'd be nice if the production quality would be similar to that of the previous expansions.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2016, 05:06:38 am »
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Talking about the release, has Rio Grande actually switched the printer or whoever was responsible for the mild production issues of Adventures? It's not a big thing but it'd be nice if the production quality would be similar to that of the previous expansions.

Yes. Printing issues have been fixed.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2016, 05:19:33 am »
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...allegedly.

Personally, I'm holding off until copies are actually in customers' hands to find out if the card flexion, colour consistency and corner radii are back to normal. Also, whether the insert, the key strip, the rulebook's image resolution and the box texture are OK this time round.

I don't know how many of those RGG is even aspiring to fix. Card flexion and rulebook resolution yes, the others... probably not?
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Re: Release date
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2016, 03:46:43 pm »
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Talking about the release, has Rio Grande actually switched the printer or whoever was responsible for the mild production issues of Adventures? It's not a big thing but it'd be nice if the production quality would be similar to that of the previous expansions.
In fact it's the same printer under new owners - Cartamundi bought the plant from Hasbro.

RGG is of course trying to fix everything anyone complained about. I won't know how it turns out until the cards are in my hands; anyone shy is unlikely to suffer from waiting a few days for early reports.
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2016, 03:10:14 am »
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Thanks for the info.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2016, 07:44:44 am »
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Donald X, do you know if Dominion: Empires will be at the UK Games Expo on 3-5 June?
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2016, 08:23:56 am »
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I've sent an email to the dominion-welt.de guys last week, asking when we can expect the German version.

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2016, 08:34:52 am »
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I've sent an email to the dominion-welt.de guys last week, asking when we can expect the German version.

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well.. just as I said ;)
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Re: Release date
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2016, 12:42:25 pm »
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Talking about the release, has Rio Grande actually switched the printer or whoever was responsible for the mild production issues of Adventures? It's not a big thing but it'd be nice if the production quality would be similar to that of the previous expansions.
In fact it's the same printer under new owners - Cartamundi bought the plant from Hasbro.

RGG is of course trying to fix everything anyone complained about. I won't know how it turns out until the cards are in my hands; anyone shy is unlikely to suffer from waiting a few days for early reports.
And what about the back of the event and the landmark ?
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2016, 12:43:43 pm »
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Donald X, do you know if Dominion: Empires will be at the UK Games Expo on 3-5 June?
I don't know but it doesn't sound promising; it would need to be air-shipped.
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2016, 12:44:10 pm »
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And what about the back of the event and the landmark ?
They are intentionally the regular back (not the randomizer back) to match the Adventures ones.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2016, 06:05:51 pm »
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Because we had so much fun doing this last time...

How to approximate the probabilities of playing with X Events/Landmarks* without having to shuffle them into the randomizer deck, because mixing blue- and brown-backed cards just makes you feel dirty:

Limit of 2 Events/Landmarks
  • Shuffle the basic card randomizers (Curse, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province), and deal them out.
  • If the first three cards include both Curse AND Copper => You've been Mountebank'd! Play with 0 Events/Landmarks (1/7 = 14.29% vs. 14.23%*)
  • Otherwise, if the fourth card is Curse OR Estate => Play with 1 Event/Landmark (9/35 = 25.71% vs. 25.66%*)
  • Otherwise => You're done! Play with 2 Events/Landmarks (3/5 = 60.00% vs. 60.11%*)

Limit of 4 Events/Landmarks
  • Determine if you are playing with 0 or 1 Events/Landmarks as above.
  • Otherwise, if the first, second, or last card is Silver => Play with 2 Events/Landmarks (1/4 = 25.00% vs. 25.07%*)
  • Otherwise, if Duchy was drawn before Province => Play with 3 Events/Landmarks (7/40 = 17.50% vs. 17.54%*)
  • Otherwise => Play with 4 Events/Landmarks (7/40 = 17.50% vs. 17.50%*)

*Assumes 260 Kingdom Cards and 55 Events/Landmarks.

And here's a recursive formula for calculating the exact probabilities:
R = 260 (Kingdom Randomizers)
E = 55 (Events + Landmarks)
T = 315 (R + E)
K = 10 (Kingdom Drawn)

P[0] = C(R,K)
       ------
       C(T,K)

P[N] = P[N-1]*(E-N+1)*(K+N-1)
       ----------------------
            (T-K-N+1)*N
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Re: Release date
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2016, 09:50:31 am »
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The "funny" thing is that DXV himself has suggested a maximum limit of two events/landmarks in total per game, and he has also said elsewhere that he in fact recommends playing with two events in every game (pre-Empires).

Now that we'll have 34 events and 21 landmarks, we have a total of 55 landscape-oriented non-card cards. Using the suggested maximum of two such cards in every game means that each one will be used in every 27.5 games on average, and we still don't have a total of 275 kingdom cards, so each non-card won't come up exactly as frequently as each kingdom card, at least not yet, although it's really close (we have 236 kingdom piles pre-Empires).

Would there be a problem if one included three events/landmarks in some games? I mean when it comes to balance? I'm sure there's a reason a maximum of two is recommended.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2016, 10:06:54 am »
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So is there any news now? You said the copies get shipped on the 25th, does that mean the rulebook gets posted then aswell or will it be on the 26th, 27th?
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Re: Release date
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2016, 10:16:19 am »
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The "funny" thing is that DXV himself has suggested a maximum limit of two events/landmarks in total per game, and he has also said elsewhere that he in fact recommends playing with two events in every game (pre-Empires).

I don't remember him making any such recommendation. I think he said something along the lines of, if you want to put two Events in every game, go for it; you can shuffle the Events separately from the other randomizers.

Would there be a problem if one included three events/landmarks in some games? I mean when it comes to balance? I'm sure there's a reason a maximum of two is recommended.

Just to keep the game from getting crazy complex. But if your group can handle complex, do whatever you like. When playing with my main group, we almost always put out three: either 2 Events and 1 Landmark or 1 Event and 2 Landmarks. It's a holdover from Empires playtesting.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2016, 10:18:17 am »
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So is there any news now? You said the copies get shipped on the 25th, does that mean the rulebook gets posted then aswell or will it be on the 26th, 27th?

Jay (Rio Grande Games) is 100% in charge of when the rulebook goes up. I don't think Donald ever has any information about that.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2016, 10:23:46 am »
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Now that we'll have 34 events and 21 landmarks, we have a total of 55 landscape-oriented non-card cards. Using the suggested maximum of two such cards in every game means that each one will be used in every 27.5 games on average, and we still don't have a total of 275 kingdom cards, so each non-card won't come up exactly as frequently as each kingdom card, at least not yet, although it's really close (we have 236 kingdom piles pre-Empires).

Assuming 260 and 55, the expected number of Events/Landmarks per game if you don't limit them is about 2.11 (exact value: 55*10/(260+1)). It happens that the suggested maximum is lower than this (but this wouldn't be the case if there were more Kingdom cards).

(Note that even without limiting the number you play with, a given Event or Landmark will show up slightly less often than a given Kingdom card - every 26.1 games vs. every 26; I'm sure there is an elegant way to show where the +1 comes from in the above formula, but my hand-wavy explanation is that the last card you draw will always be a Kingdom card.

And of course Young Witch throws things off a little bit for the 2-3 cost cards, and Black Market further skews things if you want to account for that somehow. Worrying about playing with every card exactly the same number of times seems pointless.)
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Re: Release date
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2016, 11:48:20 am »
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As someone posted on BGG, the Rio Grande Games site now lists Dominion: Empires' release date as May 31.
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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2016, 11:54:48 am »
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As someone posted on BGG, the Rio Grande Games site now lists Dominion: Empires' release date as May 31.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2016, 11:58:58 am »
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As someone posted on BGG, the Rio Grande Games site now lists Dominion: Empires' release date as May 31.

If it's any consolation, both delays together add up to ~1/25th as long as it took for Adventures to come online.
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2016, 01:20:17 pm »
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The problem were the previews. Before those, I didn't know I wanted Empires so much :( Now the previews are teasers after all
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2016, 02:12:22 pm »
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As someone posted on BGG, the Rio Grande Games site now lists Dominion: Empires' release date as May 31.

Here's to hoping that this is just a conservative estimate based on it starting to ship on the 25th, and maybe it will start showing up slightly before that.

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« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2016, 02:18:54 pm »
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« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2016, 03:35:54 pm »
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As someone posted on BGG, the Rio Grande Games site now lists Dominion: Empires' release date as May 31.

Here's to hoping that this is just a conservative estimate based on it starting to ship on the 25th, and maybe it will start showing up slightly before that.
I believe it's an in-stores estimate, not a shipping estimate.
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« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2016, 04:03:32 pm »
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Now that we'll have 34 events and 21 landmarks, we have a total of 55 landscape-oriented non-card cards. Using the suggested maximum of two such cards in every game means that each one will be used in every 27.5 games on average, and we still don't have a total of 275 kingdom cards, so each non-card won't come up exactly as frequently as each kingdom card, at least not yet, although it's really close (we have 236 kingdom piles pre-Empires).

Assuming 260 and 55, the expected number of Events/Landmarks per game if you don't limit them is about 2.11 (exact value: 55*10/(260+1)). It happens that the suggested maximum is lower than this (but this wouldn't be the case if there were more Kingdom cards).

(Note that even without limiting the number you play with, a given Event or Landmark will show up slightly less often than a given Kingdom card - every 26.1 games vs. every 26; I'm sure there is an elegant way to show where the +1 comes from in the above formula, but my hand-wavy explanation is that the last card you draw will always be a Kingdom card.

And of course Young Witch throws things off a little bit for the 2-3 cost cards, and Black Market further skews things if you want to account for that somehow. Worrying about playing with every card exactly the same number of times seems pointless.)

I'm a statistician, so I know what you mean.  :) Actually, I'm thinking that the Young Witch game "should" include a bane that should be taken out from the randomizer deck, so that a total of 260 kingdom cards should be used in 25.9 games, if you catch my drift.

IMHO the cards used in a Black Market deck shouldn't count towards any of them being used as a kingdom card, but I have a houserule in which only 113 cards (exactly half of the 226 cards not being used in the current kingdom, even though YW once again complicates things a bit) are being used at a time (it's rather difficult shuffling 200+ cards, even with sleeves). It seems like I need to up that number to 125 now, which is perfectly fine with me (split piles should probably be shuffled "internally" in advance). These cards are determined randomly in all Black Market games.

I also agree that it's pointless to find a way to play with all cards the exact same number of times, but being a statistician, it's fun to dream about it.  ;)
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« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2016, 04:23:01 pm »
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The "funny" thing is that DXV himself has suggested a maximum limit of two events/landmarks in total per game, and he has also said elsewhere that he in fact recommends playing with two events in every game (pre-Empires).

I don't remember him making any such recommendation. I think he said something along the lines of, if you want to put two Events in every game, go for it; you can shuffle the Events separately from the other randomizers.

Would there be a problem if one included three events/landmarks in some games? I mean when it comes to balance? I'm sure there's a reason a maximum of two is recommended.

Just to keep the game from getting crazy complex. But if your group can handle complex, do whatever you like. When playing with my main group, we almost always put out three: either 2 Events and 1 Landmark or 1 Event and 2 Landmarks. It's a holdover from Empires playtesting.

You're right about the recommendation thing. I mean, he said it, but it wasn't in a public forum. I listed somewhere (I think it was on BGG) that I wondered if someone could recommend 50 kingdom cards that would be best to use to showcase as many interesting game mechanics as possible while keeping each element visible enough.

I was going to sing in an opera, and for stage performers, it's generally a lot of waiting in between different scenes, especially during rehearsals, so I collected some of my colleagues and put in Dominion games anywhere we got the time for them. Going to an island for these rehearsals and performances meant that I had somewhat limited space for game accessories in my bag, so I figured I wanted to use about 50 kingdom cards, and then some events.

Donald X. replied to me in a private e-mail message, saying that he recommended bringing all 20 (at the time) events, using two in every game. So we did, and it seemed like a perfect number, even though some of the players had never played Dominion before. I think I'll go for two combined events/landmarks per game in the Empires era, at least initially. Thanks for your feedback! It's greatly appreciated!  :)
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« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2016, 06:39:05 pm »
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The easiest thing to do if you're worried about Event/Landmark probabilities and want to play with 2 most of the time is to play with 3 Events/Landmarks 3/26 of the time.

(Tangentially related: I messed around at one point with determining the largest group of Recommended Sets of 10 with no overlapping cards. The best I found was 12 Kingdoms, which happened to not include any single-expansion sets; I was a little surprised I couldn't do a bit better, though I suppose half the available cards is pretty good. I think it'd be neat to have a collaborative effort to try to come up with 26 "interesting" Kingdoms without duplication, once Empires is released, since 260 is a nice round number and we can just consider the Bane a special case until we get another promo or something.)
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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2016, 09:38:52 pm »
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I think it'd be neat to have a collaborative effort to try to come up with 26 "interesting" Kingdoms without duplication, once Empires is released, since 260 is a nice round number and we can just consider the Bane a special case until we get another promo or something.

We should probably aim for 25 interesting Kingdoms, so we can exclude Scout, Chancellor, Adventurer, etc.
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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2016, 10:52:18 pm »
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25 Interesting Kingdoms and the Obligatory Uninteresting Kingdom?

It would be a cool competition though to see who can come up with the most interesting 26.
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Whoever designs a KC-Scout kingdom wins.
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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2016, 12:47:25 am »
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Whoever designs a KC-Scout kingdom wins.

Easy, just add Crossroads, Great Hall, Nobles, Harem, Distant Lands, the Castles, Baron, Inheritance, and Ironworks, and drop Scout.
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« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2016, 02:43:45 am »
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« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2016, 05:13:33 am »
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The easiest thing to do if you're worried about Event/Landmark probabilities and want to play with 2 most of the time is to play with 3 Events/Landmarks 3/26 of the time.

(Tangentially related: I messed around at one point with determining the largest group of Recommended Sets of 10 with no overlapping cards. The best I found was 12 Kingdoms, which happened to not include any single-expansion sets; I was a little surprised I couldn't do a bit better, though I suppose half the available cards is pretty good. I think it'd be neat to have a collaborative effort to try to come up with 26 "interesting" Kingdoms without duplication, once Empires is released, since 260 is a nice round number and we can just consider the Bane a special case until we get another promo or something.)

Or 30 in 259 games with "my" use of YW.  ;)

(That would be great! Or maybe remove 9, 19 or 29 cards from Donald X.'s post in the "What I would change" thread and then make X kingdoms of the remaing cards?)
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« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2016, 12:18:34 pm »
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Or just use Scout twice, since no one buys it anyway.
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« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2016, 12:46:07 pm »
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Or just use Scout twice, since no one buys it anyway.

Scout is the perfect bane for YW! Even that card can have it's appeal. Or maybe you just want to be Young Witched?
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« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2016, 01:22:08 pm »
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More probabilities:

Events only, limit of 2
0 Events: 28.67%
1 Event: 34.32%
2 Events: 37.02%

Landmarks only, limit of 2
0 Landmarks: 45.39%
1 Landmark: 35.17%
2 Landmarks: 19.44%

Events/Landmarks, limit of 2 each
0 Events, 0 Landmarks: 14.23%
1 Event, 0 Landmarks: 15.86%
2 Events, 0 Landmarks: 15.29%
0 Events, 1 Landmark: 9.80%
1 Event, 1 Landmark: 12.05%
2 Events, 1 Landmark: 13.32% (19.01% if limiting to 3 total)
0 Events, 2 Landmarks: 4.64%
1 Event, 2 Landmarks: 6.40% (9.12% if limiting to 3 total)
2 Events, 2 Landmarks: 8.41% (0% if limiting to 3 total)

(Note that the Events only and Landmarks only distributions are not independent - that is, you can't get the probabilities in the last table just by multiplying probabilities from the first two. The distribution of Events and Kingdom cards in the shuffled randomizer deck tells you something about the distribution of Landmark and Kingdom cards, and vice versa. The easiest way to see this is to consider the case where there is only one Landmark available. If we shuffle the Events and Kingdom cards, in order to have 0 Events the first 10 cards in our deck must be Kingdom cards, so if we now randomly insert the Landmark there are only 10 places in can go in order to be drawn (before each of those 10 Kingdom cards). In order to draw 1 Event, the tenth Kingdom card is now in the 11th slot, so there are 11 places to insert the Landmark in order for it to be drawn. And so on. The more Events we're playing with, the more Kingdom+Event cards we had to draw, and thus the more slots available for drawing Landmarks.)
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« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2016, 07:16:20 pm »
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Or just use Scout twice, since no one buys it anyway.

Scout is the perfect bane for YW! Even that card can have it's appeal. Or maybe you just want to be Young Witched?

Bane is a 2 or 3 cost, scout costs 4
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« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2016, 07:21:00 pm »
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Or just use Scout twice, since no one buys it anyway.

Scout is the perfect bane for YW! Even that card can have it's appeal. Or maybe you just want to be Young Witched?

Bane is a 2 or 3 cost, scout costs 4
Just put your ferry token on it before the game starts.
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« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2016, 08:07:30 pm »
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Or just use Scout twice, since no one buys it anyway.

Scout is the perfect bane for YW! Even that card can have it's appeal. Or maybe you just want to be Young Witched?

Bane is a 2 or 3 cost, scout costs 4

Does it help that it should cost less? Something like: Choose a 2 or 3 cost card OR Scout as bane?
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« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2016, 08:10:11 pm »
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Or just use Scout twice, since no one buys it anyway.

Scout is the perfect bane for YW! Even that card can have it's appeal. Or maybe you just want to be Young Witched?

Bane is a 2 or 3 cost, scout costs 4
Just put your ferry token on it before the game starts.

Heheh, that's another solution, I guess...
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« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2016, 09:48:09 pm »
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Whoever designs a KC-Scout kingdom wins.

Roadrunner set up a game with a Scout + 9VP card kingdom... and we ignored Scout!
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160225/log.0.1456378009709.txt
My intention with the statement is that KC-Scout should be the dominant strategy in the kingdom.
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« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2016, 09:52:07 pm »
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Whoever designs a KC-Scout kingdom wins.

Roadrunner set up a game with a Scout + 9VP card kingdom... and we ignored Scout!
http://gokosalvager.com/static/logprettifier.html?http://dominion-game-logs.s3.amazonaws.com/game_logs/20160225/log.0.1456378009709.txt
My intention with the statement is that KC-Scout should be the dominant strategy in the kingdom.

From a practical standpoint, it's really hard to think of a case where KC-Nobles isn't better.
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« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2016, 09:55:17 pm »
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So is this actually being shipped tomorrow to suppliers?  So my CoolStuffInc order should show up middle of next week?  Just in time for sumpfork to update all his tabs and maybe enough time for a Randomizer app to get caught up.   W00t.
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« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2016, 10:02:02 pm »
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So is this actually being shipped tomorrow to suppliers?  So my CoolStuffInc order should show up middle of next week?
No, maybe. RGG is currently expecting it Friday, and will ship it then; RGG currently lists May 31st as the street date. I can't speak for how fast things get shipped out by CSI.
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« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2016, 10:06:31 pm »
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I preordered Empires from Miniature Market I think, so I don't know when mine is coming..
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« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2016, 12:07:39 am »
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I preordered Empires from Miniature Market I think, so I don't know when mine is coming..

Mine is coming when Mint freezes over
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« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2016, 01:51:27 am »
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So is this actually being shipped tomorrow to suppliers?  So my CoolStuffInc order should show up middle of next week?
No, maybe. RGG is currently expecting it Friday, and will ship it then; RGG currently lists May 31st as the street date. I can't speak for how fast things get shipped out by CSI.


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« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2016, 07:32:27 am »
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I preordered Empires from Miniature Market I think, so I don't know when mine is coming..
Same here.
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« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2016, 07:57:06 am »
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When do we see rules?
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« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2016, 10:12:48 am »
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Anyone got a good place to preorder or order this yet?

I bought from Cardhaus last year but I was disappointed that they shipped several days after Amazon had Adventures listed on Prime. It just didn't seem worth it.

So I've been waiting for it to show up on Amazon, but I keep searching for it and nothing comes up. So I'll have to wait a day or two more I think.

Or I could go to a FLGS, but psh, who has those???
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« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2016, 10:40:19 am »
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Anyone got a good place to preorder or order this yet?

I bought from Cardhaus last year but I was disappointed that they shipped several days after Amazon had Adventures listed on Prime. It just didn't seem worth it.

So I've been waiting for it to show up on Amazon, but I keep searching for it and nothing comes up. So I'll have to wait a day or two more I think.

Or I could go to a FLGS, but psh, who has those???
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« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2016, 01:55:22 pm »
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When do we see rules?

I thought we would see them today for sure.
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At this point, I would guess Jay won't post them until he has at least shipped it out.  I think Donald said Jay was expected to get them Friday, so I speculate we might see the rules go up this weekend.

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« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2016, 02:21:26 pm »
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Man, it's not looking good. I guess there was another delay. I did a quick google search, and now there's no Dominion Empires on Amazon. Nobody else really has any specific release dates.

When do we see rules?

I thought we would see them today for sure.

We'll probably see them shortly after the game releases, which seems delayed again as of now. Whatever makes a better product, but I am getting very hyped.
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« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2016, 03:09:00 pm »
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Unfortunately I am not expecting to see the rules until May 31 if that is the date RGG is currently saying is the release date.
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« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2016, 03:13:48 pm »
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Unfortunately I am not expecting to see the rules until May 31 if that is the date RGG is currently saying is the release date.
Absent a leak of information, I agree. The wait continues.
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« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2016, 03:16:53 pm »
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There's a gaming con this Saturday in Los Angeles. I heard that Rio Grande has a demo booth there most years. I have no idea if they will have Empires there or not, especially if it is shipping out Friday, but you never know. Someone might be able to get me a free badge, so I might check it out, and see if anything interesting comes up. Fingers crossed.


EDIT: I just checked the Demo Schedule, and Dominion is not listed there. Here is a link to the Con that is this weekend. http://www.strategicon.net/index.php
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« Reply #80 on: May 25, 2016, 04:45:47 pm »
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There's a gaming con this Saturday in Los Angeles. I heard that Rio Grande has a demo booth there most years. I have no idea if they will have Empires there or not, especially if it is shipping out Friday, but you never know. Someone might be able to get me a free badge, so I might check it out, and see if anything interesting comes up. Fingers crossed.


EDIT: I just checked the Demo Schedule, and Dominion is not listed there. Here is a link to the Con that is this weekend. http://www.strategicon.net/index.php

RGG has the event listed on their website. 
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« Reply #81 on: May 25, 2016, 04:54:49 pm »
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There's a gaming con this Saturday in Los Angeles. I heard that Rio Grande has a demo booth there most years. I have no idea if they will have Empires there or not, especially if it is shipping out Friday, but you never know. Someone might be able to get me a free badge, so I might check it out, and see if anything interesting comes up. Fingers crossed.


EDIT: I just checked the Demo Schedule, and Dominion is not listed there. Here is a link to the Con that is this weekend. http://www.strategicon.net/index.php

If I remember what Donald said, Empires will not be there.
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« Reply #83 on: May 26, 2016, 02:16:11 am »
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« Reply #84 on: May 26, 2016, 02:33:14 am »
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« Reply #86 on: May 26, 2016, 10:10:27 am »
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Let's hope it doesn't get delayed as much as Adventures on Dominion Online.
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« Reply #87 on: May 26, 2016, 12:06:34 pm »
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Still less than 1/16th the length of time to get Adventures online.

Man if I compare every delay in my entire life to Adventures coming online, I'll be a much more pleasant person.
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« Reply #88 on: May 26, 2016, 12:42:40 pm »
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Still less than 1/16th the length of time to get Adventures online.

Man if I compare every delay in my entire life to Adventures coming online, I'll be a much more pleasant person.

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« Reply #89 on: May 26, 2016, 12:51:53 pm »
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The only thing that can satisfy my unreasonable and unhealthy level of anticipation is more previews.
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« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2016, 01:31:27 pm »
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Amen.  The delays are understandable and for good reason, but also May 18 was the "safe date" that could definitely be hit.  The rule book release would hold us all over for two more weeks.
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« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2016, 06:16:24 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
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« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2016, 06:29:03 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
I guess this is just something people aren't going to get tired of saying.

I could have delayed the previews; I found out the release date slipped on Friday, after posting the teasers. Should I have pushed back the previews? Any takers?

I could have just not had previews at all; then there wouldn't be this gap here between previews and release. Any takers for that?

I am not going to just continue to preview cards. I don't care how many takers there are for that. If you want, you can pretend that "only" 3 cards were previewed per day, and count the other previews as bonuses. Wow, 17 bonus previews. He really does care.
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« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2016, 06:51:55 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
I guess this is just something people aren't going to get tired of saying.

I think most of the people who say this are being slightly facetious.

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« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2016, 07:29:51 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
I guess this is just something people aren't going to get tired of saying.

I think most of the people who say this are being slightly facetious.

I think Donald knows that. :)
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« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2016, 07:32:24 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
I guess this is just something people aren't going to get tired of saying.

I could have delayed the previews; I found out the release date slipped on Friday, after posting the teasers. Should I have pushed back the previews? Any takers?

I could have just not had previews at all; then there wouldn't be this gap here between previews and release. Any takers for that?

I am not going to just continue to preview cards. I don't care how many takers there are for that. If you want, you can pretend that "only" 3 cards were previewed per day, and count the other previews as bonuses. Wow, 17 bonus previews. He really does care.
I vote for no more previews!

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« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2016, 07:38:15 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
I guess this is just something people aren't going to get tired of saying.

I could have delayed the previews; I found out the release date slipped on Friday, after posting the teasers. Should I have pushed back the previews? Any takers?

I could have just not had previews at all; then there wouldn't be this gap here between previews and release. Any takers for that?

I am not going to just continue to preview cards. I don't care how many takers there are for that. If you want, you can pretend that "only" 3 cards were previewed per day, and count the other previews as bonuses. Wow, 17 bonus previews. He really does care.
I vote for no more previews!

Just give us what the market demands, Alchemy 2!

Instead of more Potion cards, it introduces a completely different alternative currency, called Gin-and-Tonics.
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« Reply #97 on: May 26, 2016, 07:48:50 pm »
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Instead of more Potion cards, it introduces a completely different alternative currency, called Gin-and-Tonics.

Donald is going to need a gin and tonic after reading all of these Alchemy ideas. Then he'll feel supersonic.
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« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2016, 08:01:54 pm »
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I mean Alchemy is fun and all, but wouldn't it be better if Potions trashed themselves on play?

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« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2016, 08:33:48 pm »
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I found out the release date slipped on Friday, after posting the teasers.
Hmm. It would have been nice if somebody had gone public about that delay, once it was known. /-8
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« Reply #100 on: May 26, 2016, 08:34:40 pm »
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« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2016, 08:38:26 pm »
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What am I missing? By my understanding, Donald found out about the latest delay some time around May 6th-9th, but Jay only said something public on BGG today, a couple of weeks later.

Or am I confused about who meant what, when, how and why? Are those my feet?
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« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2016, 09:32:49 pm »
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If you want, you can pretend that "only" 3 cards were previewed per day, and count the other previews as bonuses. Wow, 17 bonus previews. He really does care.

Perhaps people would feel like there were more previews and be happier if only one card was revealed each day?  That way, they could have more days where they wake up and think "I get to discover a new card today!"
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« Reply #103 on: May 26, 2016, 09:40:25 pm »
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I found out the release date slipped on Friday, after posting the teasers.
Hmm. It would have been nice if somebody had gone public about that delay, once it was known. /-8
I found out about the initial delay that Friday, not the most recent delay, which I found out about yesterday.

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« Reply #104 on: May 26, 2016, 09:46:45 pm »
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So, how about another bonus preview next week so we'll survive another week without Empires? :)
I guess this is just something people aren't going to get tired of saying.

I could have delayed the previews; I found out the release date slipped on Friday, after posting the teasers. Should I have pushed back the previews? Any takers?

I could have just not had previews at all; then there wouldn't be this gap here between previews and release. Any takers for that?

I am not going to just continue to preview cards. I don't care how many takers there are for that. If you want, you can pretend that "only" 3 cards were previewed per day, and count the other previews as bonuses. Wow, 17 bonus previews. He really does care.

I apologize if I gave off the wrong vibes here. It was my weird and indirect way of saying I can't wait to finally get my hands on it!

At the moment I just felt like a child that gets told on Christmas Eve that my parents decided to use the Julian calendar instead, hence my impatience ;)
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« Reply #105 on: May 26, 2016, 11:59:05 pm »
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I apologize if I gave off the wrong vibes here. It was my weird and indirect way of saying I can't wait to finally get my hands on it!
It's okay, you were just the one at the front of the line when I found a moment to reply to one of these.
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« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2016, 12:02:06 am »
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Next time there's an expansion coming out, post the release date as being way out there, like 2019. Then keep moving it up and everyone will be happy.
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« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2016, 12:06:02 am »
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Next time there's an expansion coming out, post the release date as being way out there, like 2019. Then keep moving it up and everyone will be happy.

Or don't even announce the next expansion until it is already in stores. :P
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« Reply #108 on: May 27, 2016, 12:23:12 am »
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or just be like me and know that you will probably never play empires until it comes out online....
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« Reply #109 on: May 27, 2016, 01:04:07 am »
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or just be like me and know that you will probably never play empires until it comes out online....

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« Reply #110 on: May 27, 2016, 01:29:54 am »
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What am I missing? By my understanding, Donald found out about the latest delay some time around May 6th-9th, but Jay only said something public on BGG today, a couple of weeks later.

Or am I confused about who meant what, when, how and why? Are those my feet?

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« Reply #111 on: May 27, 2016, 11:37:06 am »
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or just be like me and know that you will probably never play empires until it comes out online....

Are you going to Dragonflight?
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« Reply #112 on: May 27, 2016, 03:07:52 pm »
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Next time there's an expansion coming out, post the release date as being way out there, like 2019. Then keep moving it up and everyone will be happy.


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« Reply #113 on: May 27, 2016, 03:10:05 pm »
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Next time there's an expansion coming out, post the release date as being way out there, like 2019. Then keep moving it up and everyone will be happy.


This is the Scotty philosophy.  Always be a miracle worker.

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« Reply #114 on: May 27, 2016, 08:53:29 pm »
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That would be hilarious if Donald just released a set without announcing it.
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« Reply #115 on: May 27, 2016, 09:33:09 pm »
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Also sales would be bad. Advertising and building hype is important for pretty much every business.
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« Reply #116 on: May 27, 2016, 09:41:16 pm »
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Also sales would be bad. Advertising and building hype is important for pretty much every business.
So what you're saying is these delays are a calculated business decision to build hype.
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« Reply #117 on: May 27, 2016, 09:43:45 pm »
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Also sales would be bad. Advertising and building hype is important for pretty much every business.

Yes, but that's also boring and completely expected.
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« Reply #118 on: May 27, 2016, 09:53:17 pm »
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Also sales would be bad. Advertising and building hype is important for pretty much every business.

No, in the case of Dominion, I suspect that would increase sales.  "What crazy stuff might be in this box!?"
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« Reply #119 on: May 27, 2016, 10:25:13 pm »
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Also sales would be bad. Advertising and building hype is important for pretty much every business.

No, in the case of Dominion, I suspect that would increase sales.  "What crazy stuff might be in this box!?"

Realistically, I don't think I'd agree with you in terms of promotion. However, I don't know how much advertising Dominion gets, because I never see a Dominion ad. Rio Grande just announces a set will come out, and people know. If Rio Grande released the game and announced it when they did, I wonder how poorly that would actually affect sales.
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« Reply #120 on: May 28, 2016, 03:52:01 am »
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It's a pity we can't have Kanye West twerking with Dominion logo on their naked butt. Would have been nice for sales.

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« Reply #121 on: May 28, 2016, 08:15:39 am »
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Uh... the intersection between people who'd want to see Kanye West twerk and people who want to play Dominion must be essentially zero, surely?

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« Reply #122 on: May 28, 2016, 08:43:22 am »
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« Reply #127 on: May 28, 2016, 05:07:54 pm »
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Wasn't she famous way before that sex tape though? Surely it made her even more famous, but still.
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« Reply #128 on: May 28, 2016, 05:35:58 pm »
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Wasn't she famous way before that sex tape though? Surely it made her even more famous, but still.

She first got famous through her association with Paris Hilton, but then her popularity completely skyrocketed when that whole leak happened. Now whoever Kim hangs out with also gets famous for no other reason than association with her.
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« Reply #129 on: May 30, 2016, 11:30:43 am »
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!  :'(
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« Reply #130 on: May 30, 2016, 11:15:26 pm »
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Hey guys, I got $25 for my birthday last week. Would you recommend getting Adventures or Empires? Will I miss anything if I pick up Empires first?
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« Reply #131 on: May 30, 2016, 11:23:38 pm »
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Would you recommend getting Adventures or Empires?

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« Reply #132 on: May 30, 2016, 11:29:19 pm »
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Hey guys, I got $25 for my birthday last week. Would you recommend getting Adventures or Empires? Will I miss anything if I pick up Empires first?

Both look like they'll be great! Hard to give a recommendation before I have empires in my hands
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« Reply #133 on: May 31, 2016, 01:10:12 am »
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Hey guys, I got $25 for my birthday last week. Would you recommend getting Adventures or Empires? Will I miss anything if I pick up Empires first?
If you pick up Empires first, you'll miss having Adventures up to the point where you purchase it as well. And vice versa for Empires. Although if you're going to the store right now, get Adventures because you probably won't see Empires on the shelves.
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« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2016, 01:46:20 am »
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Empires should be shipping out from RGG Tuesday.
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« Reply #135 on: May 31, 2016, 03:16:04 am »
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Hey guys, I got $25 for my birthday last week. Would you recommend getting Adventures or Empires? Will I miss anything if I pick up Empires first?
If you have all the other expansion buy Adventures. If not think about getting one of them first (Dark Ages is great).
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« Reply #136 on: May 31, 2016, 11:17:12 am »
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Will the rules be coming up soon? It would help me in working on the next version of my rules document.
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« Reply #137 on: May 31, 2016, 11:36:22 am »
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Will the rules be coming up soon? I want to start working on the next version of my rules document.

I would give it another couple of days - it sounds like Jay wants to wait until copies are actually in stores.
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« Reply #138 on: May 31, 2016, 01:34:42 pm »
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If you have all the other expansion buy Adventures. If not think about getting one of them first (Dark Ages is great).
Yeah, I have all the other expansions, so it'd be between Adventures and Empires. I'll probably pick up Adventures first though.
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« Reply #139 on: May 31, 2016, 01:51:56 pm »
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So, BGG is shipping today. What are the odds that if I place a Rush delivery order on Amazon the minute they have it in stock, that the game will be in my hands by Friday evening? Or Saturday evening? Trying to see if I'll be able to play this weekend with friends. I'm not counting on it being around that soon, just trying to hope for the best.

Also do we know how many cards are in it yet? Gotta order new sleeves.
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« Reply #140 on: May 31, 2016, 02:00:41 pm »
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So, BGG is shipping today. What are the odds that if I place a Rush delivery order on Amazon the minute they have it in stock, that the game will be in my hands by Friday evening? Or Saturday evening? Trying to see if I'll be able to play this weekend with friends. I'm not counting on it being around that soon, just trying to hope for the best.

Also do we know how many cards are in it yet? Gotta order new sleeves.

Quoting the announcement announced on f.ds:

http://riograndegames.com/Game/1306-Dominion-Empires

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A bit more to chew on: It has 300 cards and 96 metal tokens. There are cards you can buy now and pay for later, piles with two different cards, and Landmarks which add new ways to score. VP tokens and Events return from previous sets.


Also, assuming Beyond Awesome stays true to their name and is right about shipping being today, when do the first stores receive it? Tomorrow, maybe Thursday? I would assume that will be the day where we will see the rules aswell.
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« Reply #141 on: May 31, 2016, 03:12:28 pm »
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Actually, Donald X. or Jay mentioned something about shipping today and I read it somewhere. As far as I know, they were assembling the sets over the weekend and the plan is/was to ship them out today.
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« Reply #142 on: May 31, 2016, 03:28:27 pm »
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Actually, Donald X. or Jay mentioned something about shipping today and I read it somewhere. As far as I know, they were assembling the sets over the weekend and the plan is/was to ship them out today.

This is true. They will arrive at stores by June 6th and 10th, and then the rules will be released probably by the end of this week.
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« Reply #143 on: June 01, 2016, 05:02:42 am »
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Also do we know how many cards are in it yet? Gotta order new sleeves.
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« Reply #144 on: June 01, 2016, 05:10:59 pm »
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As Donald wrote, we will begin shipping Empires to our distributors today. We expect to continue shipping through Monday and expect to be able to hold to the June 8th date for our distributors to start shipping meaning many stores will have the games next Thursday or Friday. Thanks for your patience.

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« Reply #145 on: June 01, 2016, 05:38:42 pm »
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The latest thing was, they gave us samples that were miscut, and so there was a delay while we considered our options, but it turned out that these were in some way explained by incompetence in sending us samples; a bunch of boxes of the actual shipment were opened and were fine.
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« Reply #147 on: June 01, 2016, 06:05:11 pm »
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The latest thing was, they gave us samples that were miscut, and so there was a delay while we considered our options, but it turned out that these were in some way explained by incompetence in sending us samples; a bunch of boxes of the actual shipment were opened and were fine.

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« Reply #149 on: June 02, 2016, 12:17:38 am »
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The latest thing was, they gave us samples that were miscut, and so there was a delay while we considered our options, but it turned out that these were in some way explained by incompetence in sending us samples; a bunch of boxes of the actual shipment were opened and were fine.
I suppose that's better than if they'd given you samples that were fine while the actual boxes were miscut.
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« Reply #151 on: June 02, 2016, 02:02:44 am »
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Is today The Day When We See The Rules?
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« Reply #152 on: June 02, 2016, 09:27:06 am »
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Is today The Day When We See The Rules?

Since the most recent estimates from Jay are that they won't be in stores until the end of next week (and optimistically we can guess maybe slightly earlier some places based on his guessed ship dates), I don't think it is likely they will be posted until at least this weekend. Even that might just be wishful thinking. I would not be surprised if it wasn't until the first boxes start showing up next week.

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« Reply #153 on: June 02, 2016, 09:44:26 am »
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Is today The Day When We See The Rules?

Since the most recent estimates from Jay are that they won't be in stores until the end of next week (and optimistically we can guess maybe slightly earlier some places based on his guessed ship dates), I don't think it is likely they will be posted until at least this weekend. Even that might just be wishful thinking. I would not be surprised if it wasn't until the first boxes start showing up next week.
My expectation is early next week. I think the rules will be released as close as possible to the actual date that the set becomes available to the public. Otherwise it will just be us complaining about card art and wording until someone actually gets their hands on the game and can offer their impressions.
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« Reply #154 on: June 02, 2016, 12:07:49 pm »
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Is today The Day When We See The Rules?

Since the most recent estimates from Jay are that they won't be in stores until the end of next week (and optimistically we can guess maybe slightly earlier some places based on his guessed ship dates), I don't think it is likely they will be posted until at least this weekend. Even that might just be wishful thinking. I would not be surprised if it wasn't until the first boxes start showing up next week.
My expectation is early next week. I think the rules will be released as close as possible to the actual date that the set becomes available to the public. Otherwise it will just be us complaining about card art and wording until someone actually gets their hands on the game and can offer their impressions.

As opposed to the forum complaining about card art and wording despite the impressions of someone who has their hands on the game?
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« Reply #158 on: June 02, 2016, 09:14:44 pm »
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Anyone got a confirmation email from Miniature Market regarding Dominion: Empires yet? I'm pretty sure I ordered it there, but I can't find the confirmation email for it..
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« Reply #159 on: June 02, 2016, 09:30:06 pm »
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Anyone got a confirmation email from Miniature Market regarding Dominion: Empires yet? I'm pretty sure I ordered it there, but I can't find the confirmation email for it..

I've never ordered from them, but did you make an account?  There's probably order history somewhere.  If you didn't receive a confirmation email shortly after placing the order and there isn't any order history for you to find, you should probably contact them ASAP, and maybe check to see if you were charged.
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« Reply #160 on: June 02, 2016, 10:59:40 pm »
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Anyone got a confirmation email from Miniature Market regarding Dominion: Empires yet? I'm pretty sure I ordered it there, but I can't find the confirmation email for it..

I've never ordered from them, but did you make an account?  There's probably order history somewhere.  If you didn't receive a confirmation email shortly after placing the order and there isn't any order history for you to find, you should probably contact them ASAP, and maybe check to see if you were charged.

I made an account much later after the order. I wish I made it beforehand, oh well. I'll wait a bit until people start reporting they get Empires I think.
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« Reply #161 on: June 03, 2016, 03:56:41 am »
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I made an account much later after the order. I wish I made it beforehand, oh well. I'll wait a bit until people start reporting they get Empires I think.
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« Reply #162 on: June 03, 2016, 10:47:56 am »
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I made an account much later after the order. I wish I made it beforehand, oh well. I'll wait a bit until people start reporting they get Empires I think.
It can't hurt to just shoot them a cursory email, right?

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« Reply #163 on: June 03, 2016, 10:48:08 am »
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So does anyone know when Amazon is going to get Empires?
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« Reply #170 on: June 04, 2016, 07:43:49 pm »
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I just got back from my FGLS's Dominion Tournament in support of Empires (top 3 prizes: vouchers for Empires).

The owner of the game store isn't happy that he hasn't gotten the expansion yet, and he claims that he's hearing from his distributors that it's been pushed back to end of June, and not this week as expected. He says he's heard that RGG hasn't shipped it to distributors yet.

I was expecting to pick it up late this week, but end of June is a few weeks away.

Any word on what I should really be expecting?
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So does anyone know when Amazon is going to get Empires?

Amazon got Adventures about 3 or 4 weeks after release.
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« Reply #172 on: June 04, 2016, 08:05:11 pm »
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I just got back from my FGLS's Dominion Tournament in support of Empires (top 3 prizes: vouchers for Empires).

The owner of the game store isn't happy that he hasn't gotten the expansion yet, and he claims that he's hearing from his distributors that it's been pushed back to end of June, and not this week as expected. He says he's heard that RGG hasn't shipped it to distributors yet.

I was expecting to pick it up late this week, but end of June is a few weeks away.

Any word on what I should really be expecting?

The latest word was this:

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As Donald wrote, we will begin shipping Empires to our distributors today. We expect to continue shipping through Monday and expect to be able to hold to the June 8th date for our distributors to start shipping meaning many stores will have the games next Thursday or Friday. Thanks for your patience.

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https://boardgamegeek.com/article/22834610#22834610

So they're expecting many stores to have them by June 10.  Many isn't all, so maybe your store is one of the unlucky ones. 
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« Reply #173 on: June 04, 2016, 09:15:06 pm »
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So does anyone know when Amazon is going to get Empires?

Amazon got Adventures about 3 or 4 weeks after release.

I seem to remember it being on Prime before I got my copy, that I preordered. I think mine was only 1, maybe 2 weeks late? I'm currently going with the "wait for Amazon" approach right now but maybe a pre order is smarter
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« Reply #174 on: June 04, 2016, 09:41:28 pm »
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I waited for Amazon last time. It took a while.
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« Reply #175 on: June 04, 2016, 10:46:09 pm »
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I just got back from my FGLS's Dominion Tournament in support of Empires (top 3 prizes: vouchers for Empires).

The owner of the game store isn't happy that he hasn't gotten the expansion yet, and he claims that he's hearing from his distributors that it's been pushed back to end of June, and not this week as expected. He says he's heard that RGG hasn't shipped it to distributors yet.

I was expecting to pick it up late this week, but end of June is a few weeks away.

Any word on what I should really be expecting?

The latest word was this:

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As Donald wrote, we will begin shipping Empires to our distributors today. We expect to continue shipping through Monday and expect to be able to hold to the June 8th date for our distributors to start shipping meaning many stores will have the games next Thursday or Friday. Thanks for your patience.

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So they're expecting many stores to have them by June 10.  Many isn't all, so maybe your store is one of the unlucky ones.
RGG sent out half of the copies on the indicated day, whatever day that was. The rest would be a few days later, dunno the day. LF was sent a copy directly and got it already.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #176 on: June 04, 2016, 11:32:27 pm »
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Miniature Market has not contacted me so far. I have gotten no notification of my order. Does Miniature Market have the sets yet?

edit: They do not have them yet, and I just signed up for a notification for when it is available there.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #177 on: June 06, 2016, 10:07:30 am »
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RGG sent out half of the copies on the indicated day, whatever day that was. The rest would be a few days later, dunno the day. LF was sent a copy directly and got it already.
So, LF, please tell us all about it :P
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Re: Release date
« Reply #178 on: June 06, 2016, 10:34:01 am »
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RGG sent out half of the copies on the indicated day, whatever day that was. The rest would be a few days later, dunno the day. LF was sent a copy directly and got it already.
So, LF, please tell us all about it :P

The short version: It's a great expansion, and the components are good!
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Re: Release date
« Reply #179 on: June 06, 2016, 10:48:09 am »
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If LF got it, surely some stores did too. Start calling your FLGSs.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #180 on: June 06, 2016, 11:08:01 am »
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If LF got it, surely some stores did too. Start calling your FLGSs.

I could be wrong, but I believe RGG ships to distributors, and the distributors ship to stores.  Also I believe the distributors are not to start shipping until Wednesday.
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« Reply #181 on: June 06, 2016, 11:17:12 am »
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If LF got it, surely some stores did too. Start calling your FLGSs.

I could be wrong, but I believe RGG ships to distributors, and the distributors ship to stores.  Also I believe the distributors are not to start shipping until Wednesday.

You're right. I misunderstood.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #182 on: June 06, 2016, 04:02:06 pm »
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RGG sent out half of the copies on the indicated day, whatever day that was. The rest would be a few days later, dunno the day. LF was sent a copy directly and got it already.
So, LF, please tell us all about it :P

The short version: It's a great expansion, and the components are good!
Having played with this copy on Saturday, I concur!
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Re: Release date
« Reply #183 on: June 06, 2016, 04:06:10 pm »
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My game shop said they'll have it by Friday at the latest, so I'm excited. I happen to have a game night every Friday, so I may get to buy it and play it the same day.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #184 on: June 06, 2016, 04:07:20 pm »
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Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today...
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Re: Release date
« Reply #185 on: June 06, 2016, 05:34:51 pm »
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RGG sent out half of the copies on the indicated day, whatever day that was. The rest would be a few days later, dunno the day. LF was sent a copy directly and got it already.
So, LF, please tell us all about it :P

The short version: It's a great expansion, and the components are good!
Having played with this copy on Saturday, I concur!
So, WK, please tell us all about it :P
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Re: Release date
« Reply #186 on: June 06, 2016, 07:18:07 pm »
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Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today...

I already made that joke.  :P
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« Reply #187 on: June 06, 2016, 10:57:42 pm »
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Jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today...

I already made that joke.  :P

Dammit.

Also:  Jam today!!
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Re: Release date
« Reply #188 on: June 07, 2016, 07:30:31 pm »
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Available on Amazon!!

In stock but may require an extra 1-2 days to process.
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
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Re: Release date
« Reply #189 on: June 08, 2016, 06:01:58 pm »
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Man, I have to wait until it drops in price a bit, but otherwise, I can't wait to order it.
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« Reply #190 on: August 28, 2016, 11:15:58 am »
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Antwoord van 999games.nl: De verwachting is eind september half oktober maar er is nog geen exacte datum van bekend.
Answer from 999games.nl: It is expected in late September mid-October but there is still no exact date known
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