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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #225 on: January 05, 2017, 08:50:31 pm »
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Reading the shuffle it forums is weird.. like almost everything people are criticizing are things that we here have been talking about as desirable, and things they say they want are things most of us here think are bad.  I can almost tell who is an f.ds member and who isn't without looking at usernames.

I think the main problem is that, while Stef and SCSN certainly know their Dominion, and seem to have implemented almost everything correctly, the graphical design is lacking.  The log on the side should be optional, not mandatory.  I should be able to follow everything going on in the game simply by paying attention to the board.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #226 on: January 05, 2017, 09:01:02 pm »
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For what it's worth: Although the product is clearly not done, I *feel* the improvement, every time I log in.

Don't loose faith, guys. A year from now, all of these complaints will be dust in the wind.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #227 on: January 05, 2017, 09:01:30 pm »
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Reading the shuffle it forums is weird.. like almost everything people are criticizing are things that we here have been talking about as desirable, and things they say they want are things most of us here think are bad.  I can almost tell who is an f.ds member and who isn't without looking at usernames.

I think the main problem is that, while Stef and SCSN certainly know their Dominion, and seem to have implemented almost everything correctly, the graphical design is lacking.  The log on the side should be optional, not mandatory.  I should be able to follow everything going on in the game simply by paying attention to the board.

I have no idea, but I would guess the log is staying put until they implement a graphical trash pile rather than only being a block of card names at the top of the log at least.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #228 on: January 05, 2017, 09:20:52 pm »
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For what it's worth: Although the product is clearly not done, I *feel* the improvement, every time I log in.

Don't loose faith, guys. A year from now, all of these complaints will be dust in the wind.
This! Seriously, this should be just as good as MF my April if this keeps up. It's been less than a week and they have fixed so much that was brought up.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #229 on: January 05, 2017, 09:28:23 pm »
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Reading the shuffle it forums is weird.. like almost everything people are criticizing are things that we here have been talking about as desirable, and things they say they want are things most of us here think are bad.  I can almost tell who is an f.ds member and who isn't without looking at usernames.

I think the main problem is that, while Stef and SCSN certainly know their Dominion, and seem to have implemented almost everything correctly, the graphical design is lacking.  The log on the side should be optional, not mandatory.  I should be able to follow everything going on in the game simply by paying attention to the board.

I guess, but it seems like a log is the best way to follow everything going on in the game.  If I have a choice between reading text and watching card-shaoed graphics move around my screen, I choose text.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #230 on: January 05, 2017, 09:41:23 pm »
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Reading the shuffle it forums is weird.. like almost everything people are criticizing are things that we here have been talking about as desirable, and things they say they want are things most of us here think are bad.  I can almost tell who is an f.ds member and who isn't without looking at usernames.

I think the main problem is that, while Stef and SCSN certainly know their Dominion, and seem to have implemented almost everything correctly, the graphical design is lacking.  The log on the side should be optional, not mandatory.  I should be able to follow everything going on in the game simply by paying attention to the board.

I guess, but it seems like a log is the best way to follow everything going on in the game.  If I have a choice between reading text and watching card-shaoed graphics move around my screen, I choose text.

Well, you're in a minority.  If you want Dominion Online to survive, it needs to make money.  In order to make money, it needs to appeal to more casual gamers as well, which involves primarily making everything easy to follow without having to look at the log, and apparently also requires a mobile app.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #231 on: January 05, 2017, 10:20:33 pm »
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I don't think any UI can make it possible to follow everything by looking at the board only. When I play Dominion IRL (which admittedly is not super often), staring at what other players are doing with their hands is not enough. There also needs to be some talking happening. The log just substitutes for the talking.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #232 on: January 05, 2017, 10:30:33 pm »
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Reading the shuffle it forums is weird.. like almost everything people are criticizing are things that we here have been talking about as desirable, and things they say they want are things most of us here think are bad.  I can almost tell who is an f.ds member and who isn't without looking at usernames.

I think the main problem is that, while Stef and SCSN certainly know their Dominion, and seem to have implemented almost everything correctly, the graphical design is lacking.  The log on the side should be optional, not mandatory.  I should be able to follow everything going on in the game simply by paying attention to the board.

I guess, but it seems like a log is the best way to follow everything going on in the game.  If I have a choice between reading text and watching card-shaoed graphics move around my screen, I choose text.

Well, you're in a minority.  If you want Dominion Online to survive, it needs to make money.  In order to make money, it needs to appeal to more casual gamers as well, which involves primarily making everything easy to follow without having to look at the log, and apparently also requires a mobile app.

I would be willing to bet that if they made it so that literally everything was visible without using a log, there would be people who would start to complain that the UI is too cluttered or too hard to read on mobile devices or similar complaints.  I tend to not watch the log too much, but it doesn't bother me having it there, at least on a full-size screen at least.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #233 on: January 05, 2017, 10:46:38 pm »
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Wasn't one of the promised features different interfaces depending on how you liked to play?

I was imagining everything from Text Based to pretty animations being options.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #234 on: January 05, 2017, 11:26:41 pm »
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Wasn't one of the promised features different interfaces depending on how you liked to play?

I was imagining everything from Text Based to pretty animations being options.

A lot of stuff was promised.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #235 on: January 05, 2017, 11:38:09 pm »
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It's not clear how to choose the order to top deck cards with Ghost Ship. I'm playing a game with Ghost Ship, Native Village and Herald and there's no indication at all on how to get it right.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #236 on: January 05, 2017, 11:41:00 pm »
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Quick note not much was promised by release.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #237 on: January 06, 2017, 12:07:07 am »
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What is the procedure for bug reports? I just broke the game by playing Overlord as an Outpost.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #238 on: January 06, 2017, 12:10:49 am »
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Post it on their forum.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #239 on: January 06, 2017, 12:32:43 am »
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Ah, but that would require their activation emails to work.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #240 on: January 06, 2017, 12:40:39 am »
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Ah, but that would require their activation emails to work.

Go to the Shuffleit discord channel and report it there:
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #241 on: January 06, 2017, 04:43:13 am »
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It's not clear how to choose the order to top deck cards with Ghost Ship. I'm playing a game with Ghost Ship, Native Village and Herald and there's no indication at all on how to get it right.
They go onto the deck in the order you click them.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #242 on: January 06, 2017, 06:00:17 am »
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First, the familiar cards concept, while an interesting idea, needs to be brought to the attention of people.  I am getting absolutely sick of playing every game with the same base cards, especially Chapel.  Chapel just stops being interesting when your last 6 games have also had it.  I personally marked everything as familiar because I don't want to be gently led into all the cards that have been released since Hinterlands (the last set on Isotropic).  If people aren't actively marking cards as familiar, the feature is very very annoying to people like me.  I think maybe it's better on Good Match than Quick Match, but if that's the case it's not very clear, and I'm worried since I didn't play on Goko/MF that Good Match will be matching me with mainly newbs and I won't get to see decent players actually using all the new cards. 

We're trying to improve here. Up until the last release (~20 hours ago) the matcher ignored familiar sets (even on good match), but now it is:

The matcher counts the number of cards you have both subscribed to and marked as familiar. This set is called your "expected" set.

For a possible candidate, it counts what percentage of your expected sets are marked as familiar by them. A bonus is added to this of 10% times their setting of "max unfamiliar cards".
If the resulting percentage is less then 80%, you will not consider them a good match.


I haven't really documented this yet because it's very likely to change again in the near future, and to become user-configurable later on.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #243 on: January 06, 2017, 06:12:40 am »
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I don't mind the log, but I did like in MF that I never needed the log.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #244 on: January 06, 2017, 06:53:55 am »
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I don't mind the log, but I did like in MF that I never needed the log.

Having the game playable without the log is certainly on my wishlist as well.
Unfortunately, just removing it now won't improve the situation. We need to fix quite a number of other things first.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #245 on: January 06, 2017, 09:16:09 am »
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I don't mind the log, but I did like in MF that I never needed the log.

Having the game playable without the log is certainly on my wishlist as well.
Unfortunately, just removing it now won't improve the situation. We need to fix quite a number of other things first.

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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #246 on: January 06, 2017, 09:17:26 am »
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Oh, don't get rid of the log. I'm not saying get rid of it. I'm just saying be something that's there if I want to check something, rather than something I need to be staring at the entire time.
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #247 on: January 06, 2017, 09:44:16 am »
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As long as we are mentioning features, eitehr one of these wouldw work:

- The option to ban a card
- The option that I automatically resign when rebuild is on the board
- The option that I automatically resign when someone buys rebuild

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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #248 on: January 06, 2017, 09:48:10 am »
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As long as we are mentioning features, eitehr one of these wouldw work:

- The option to ban a card
- The option that I automatically resign when rebuild is on the board
- The option that I automatically resign when someone buys rebuild

Shoudn't the second include the third?
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Re: The Dominion online 2017 thread
« Reply #249 on: January 06, 2017, 10:25:35 am »
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I don't think any UI can make it possible to follow everything by looking at the board only. When I play Dominion IRL (which admittedly is not super often), staring at what other players are doing with their hands is not enough. There also needs to be some talking happening. The log just substitutes for the talking.

Maybe audio could be used more in game?
Dominion has a lot going on, so trying to display it all clearly on screen is a challenge.
One way to transmit more data would be to switch some of the load to audio.
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