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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2016, 05:14:09 pm »
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I had an opponent who kept complaining about shuffle luck the whole time, and I told him to calm down. He said he was fine, but then went ballistic on me, telling me it was just luck which was why I won. Sure. And when he wins, it's obviously not luck.

I don't think that qualifies as one of 2016's best Dominion moments. Sorry.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2016, 05:26:55 pm »
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I had an opponent who kept complaining about shuffle luck the whole time, and I told him to calm down. He said he was fine, but then went ballistic on me, telling me it was just luck which was why I won. Sure. And when he wins, it's obviously not luck.

I don't think that qualifies as one of 2016's best Dominion moments. Sorry.

Sure it does. You just have to squint. It looks a lot more impressive when you squint.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2016, 05:09:41 am »
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How long until I realize that the silver pile is empty?  :D

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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2016, 04:17:58 pm »
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Log

---------- Dingan: turn 16 ----------
Dingan - plays Prince
Dingan - sets aside Prince
Dingan - sets aside Margrave

and later...

---------- Dingan: turn 17 ----------
Dingan - plays Armory
Dingan - gains Prince
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2016, 07:29:00 pm »
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You already won at that point, so that was just bragging
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2016, 12:22:12 am »
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Somehow, this is the first time I've seen this interaction. Haggler + Mandarin on gain lets me guarantee hitting $8 next turn for the win.

---------- Titandrake: turn 15 ----------
Titandrake - plays Haggler
Titandrake - plays 2 Gold, 1 Silver
Titandrake - buys Province
Titandrake - gains Mandarin
Titandrake - places Gold on top of deck
Titandrake - places Silver on top of deck
Titandrake - places Gold on top of deck
Titandrake - gains Province
...
Titandrake - draws Gold, Silver, Gold, Copper, Province
 
---------- Titandrake: turn 16 ----------
Titandrake - plays 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Copper
Titandrake - buys Province
Titandrake - gains Province
Titandrake - shuffles deck
Titandrake - draws Estate, Copper, Province, Gold, Gold
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2016, 02:25:52 am »
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In an IRL game, I had Trader in hand and bought Messenger, gaining a Curse. My two opponents weren't so lucky.

Edit: as pointed out below, this interaction wasn't handled correctly. My opponents shouldn't have gained anything. Gaining a Silver while giving your opponents nothing is still useful, but it's weaker than gaining a Silver while your opponents gain a Curse.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2016, 05:23:41 am »
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In an IRL game, I had Trader in hand and bought Messenger, gaining a Curse. My two opponents weren't so lucky.

This is wrong, I believe. They can't gain a copy of the card you gained, because you didn't gain it. (completely incidentally, you gained a card there, but it was due to another effect - trader's - so it's not affected by messenger).
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2016, 06:15:10 am »
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Yeah, this is just basic Blue Dog Rule stuff. It does work with Watchtower though!
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2016, 10:23:10 am »
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This is wrong, I believe. They can't gain a copy of the card you gained, because you didn't gain it. (completely incidentally, you gained a card there, but it was due to another effect - trader's - so it's not affected by messenger).

Oops! That interaction is not as strong as I thought. Good to know.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2016, 10:39:39 am »
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I guess it can still be useful if you want to gain an extra Silver, but don't want to give your opponent(s) anything.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2016, 05:44:36 pm »
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Nicholas Tran - draws Silver, Develop, Ambassador, Possession, Potion

---------- Seprix: turn 20 ----------
Seprix - duration Lighthouse
Seprix - plays Possession

---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 [possessed] ----------
Nicholas Tran - plays Ambassador
Nicholas Tran - reveals Possession
Nicholas Tran - returns Possession to the Supply
Seprix - gains Possession
 
---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 ----------
<resigns>

TL;DR I sent the opponent's only Possession via Ambassador (on a lucky collision for me, not for him) back into the pile on my first Possession play, he immediately resigned.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2016, 06:38:53 pm »
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Nicholas Tran - draws Silver, Develop, Ambassador, Possession, Potion

---------- Seprix: turn 20 ----------
Seprix - duration Lighthouse
Seprix - plays Possession

---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 [possessed] ----------
Nicholas Tran - plays Ambassador
Nicholas Tran - reveals Possession
Nicholas Tran - returns Possession to the Supply
Seprix - gains Possession
 
---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 ----------
<resigns>

TL;DR I sent the opponent's only Possession via Ambassador (on a lucky collision for me, not for him) back into the pile on my first Possession play, he immediately resigned.

Purely speculating, but sounds like your opponent should have Develop'ed away their Ambassador(s) once they were thin.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2016, 06:47:42 pm »
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Nicholas Tran - draws Silver, Develop, Ambassador, Possession, Potion

---------- Seprix: turn 20 ----------
Seprix - duration Lighthouse
Seprix - plays Possession

---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 [possessed] ----------
Nicholas Tran - plays Ambassador
Nicholas Tran - reveals Possession
Nicholas Tran - returns Possession to the Supply
Seprix - gains Possession
 
---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 ----------
<resigns>

TL;DR I sent the opponent's only Possession via Ambassador (on a lucky collision for me, not for him) back into the pile on my first Possession play, he immediately resigned.

Purely speculating, but sounds like your opponent should have Develop'ed away their Ambassador(s) once they were thin.

Absolutely. I don't know if he had Ambassador collisions, and he pretty much never was thin, but he had Lighthouse up every turn pretty much, so he couldn't have been that junked.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2016, 06:44:46 pm »
+2

Sometimes, you need to gain a Scout to win the game...

---------- faust: turn 13 ----------
[...]
faust - plays Workshop
faust - gains Scout
faust - plays Remodel
faust - trashes Gold
faust - gains Province
faust - plays Tactician
faust - discards: Province, Copper, Province
faust - shuffles deck
faust - draws Tactician, Farming Village, Province, Gold, Mint
 
---------- faust: turn 14 ----------
faust - duration Tactician
faust - draws Remodel, Farming Village, Scout, Farming Village, Province
faust - plays Farming Village
faust - reveals Remodel
faust - places Remodel in hand
faust - plays Farming Village
faust - reveals Workshop
faust - places Workshop in hand
faust - plays Farming Village
faust - reveals Farming Village
faust - places Farming Village in hand
faust - plays Farming Village
faust - reveals Farming Village
faust - places Farming Village in hand
faust - plays Mint
faust - reveals Gold
faust - gains Gold
faust - plays Scout
faust - reveals: Farming Village, Province, Copper
faust - shuffles deck
faust - reveals: Gold
faust - places cards in hand:  Province
faust - places Farming Village on top of deck
faust - places Copper on top of deck
faust - places Gold on top of deck
faust - plays Farming Village
faust - reveals Gold
faust - places Gold in hand
faust - plays Remodel
faust - trashes Gold
faust - gains Province
faust - plays Remodel
faust - trashes Gold
faust - gains Province
faust - plays Workshop
faust - gains Estate
faust - draws Copper, Farming Village
faust - shuffles deck
faust - draws Province, Province, Workshop

------------ Game Over ------------
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2016, 09:01:30 am »
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If you had not gained Scout,  you would have had that Farming Village that was on top of your deck in your hand instead of Scout.  It would have discarded Province and drawn the Copper. Playing your second Farming Village would shuffle your deck.  If the Gold was the only thing in your discard, it would either draw it, or discard the Province again and draw it.

As best I can tell here, Scout is not better than nothing (but Farming Village is better than Village).

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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2016, 09:23:11 am »
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If you had not gained Scout,  you would have had that Farming Village that was on top of your deck in your hand instead of Scout.  It would have discarded Province and drawn the Copper. Playing your second Farming Village would shuffle your deck.  If the Gold was the only thing in your discard, it would either draw it, or discard the Province again and draw it.

As best I can tell here, Scout is not better than nothing (but Farming Village is better than Village).

I guess you're right with how it has played out, but suppose I would have drawn one Province more for my starting hand. Then I could not have drawn the Gold with the additional FV, but could have still gotten it with Scout... and any situation where I have fewer Provinces in hand lets me draw the Gold either way. So I think gaining Scout was the right choice, since it guaranteed me to double Province, which gaining FV would not have.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #67 on: April 22, 2016, 05:14:57 am »
+3

---------- Accatitippi: turn 19 ----------
Accatitippi - plays Stonemason
Accatitippi - trashes Province
Accatitippi - gains Estate
Accatitippi - gains Estate

Accatitippi - plays 2 Copper
Accatitippi - buys Estate
Accatitippi - gains Estate
Accatitippi - draws Ironmonger, Province
Accatitippi - shuffles deck
Accatitippi - draws Curse, Copper, Copper
 
------------ Game Over ------------
Accatitippi - total victory points: 14
kiliana - total victory points: 13

I don't always mill Provinces, but when I do, I like to make sure that they are thoroughly milled.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #68 on: April 22, 2016, 08:39:07 am »
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ced - plays 7 Copper, 1 Silver
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - buys Masterpiece
ced - overpays for Masterpiece with 21 coins
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Silver
ced - applied Watchtower to place Silver on top of the deck
ced - gains Masterpiece
ced - applied Watchtower to trash Masterpiece
ced - trashes Masterpiece
ced - draws Silver, Silver, Silver, Silver, Silver

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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #69 on: April 22, 2016, 10:24:43 am »
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ced - plays 7 Copper, 1 Silver
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils

Am I the only one that thinks that a deck drawing 7 Copper, 1 Silver, and 5 Spoils can do better than 1 Province for 4 consecutive turns?  ;)
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #70 on: April 22, 2016, 10:34:52 am »
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ced - plays 7 Copper, 1 Silver
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils

Am I the only one that thinks that a deck drawing 7 Copper, 1 Silver, and 5 Spoils can do better than 1 Province for 4 consecutive turns?  ;)

You'd think so normally, but the draw was Madman and the only +buy was Ruined Market.

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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #71 on: April 22, 2016, 10:48:18 am »
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The best dominion moment of 2016 is going to be when Adventures comes out online.

Or maybe when MF updates us with an ETA for Adventures.

Or maybe when MF finally shuts down having never released Adventures in the first place.

(Well, I guess there's Empires, but we are guaranteed to be waiting 6 months for that online)

I really want Adventures and I'm growing impatient that every card was allegedly implemented more or less properly a week ago and we haven't even heard anything since.
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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #72 on: April 22, 2016, 10:49:27 am »
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ced - plays 7 Copper, 1 Silver
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils
ced - plays Spoils

Am I the only one that thinks that a deck drawing 7 Copper, 1 Silver, and 5 Spoils can do better than 1 Province for 4 consecutive turns?  ;)

You'd think so normally, but the draw was Madman and the only +buy was Ruined Market.

Edit: Kingdom and Log

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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2016, 02:44:06 pm »
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---------- Beigeman: turn 14 ----------
[...]
Beigeman - plays 3 Potion



---------- Infthitbox: turn 15 ----------
[..]
Infthitbox - plays Doctor
Infthitbox - names Province
Infthitbox - reveals: Province, Province, Gold
Infthitbox - trashes Province, Province
Infthitbox - places Gold on top of deck


---------- Infthitbox: turn 19 ----------
[...]
Infthitbox - plays Doctor
Infthitbox - names Province
Infthitbox - reveals: Gold, Province, Swindler
Infthitbox - trashes Province
Infthitbox - places Gold on top of deck
Infthitbox - places Swindler on top of deck




------------ Game Over ------------
Infthitbox - cards: 3 Cartographer, 2 Swindler, 2 Fortress, 1 Doctor, 3 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Copper, 5 Province
Infthitbox - total victory points: 30
Infthitbox - turns: 21


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Re: Best Dominion moments 2016
« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2016, 03:12:25 pm »
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Nicholas Tran - draws Silver, Develop, Ambassador, Possession, Potion

---------- Seprix: turn 20 ----------
Seprix - duration Lighthouse
Seprix - plays Possession

---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 [possessed] ----------
Nicholas Tran - plays Ambassador
Nicholas Tran - reveals Possession
Nicholas Tran - returns Possession to the Supply
Seprix - gains Possession
 
---------- Nicholas Tran: turn 20 ----------
<resigns>

TL;DR I sent the opponent's only Possession via Ambassador (on a lucky collision for me, not for him) back into the pile on my first Possession play, he immediately resigned.

Purely speculating, but sounds like your opponent should have Develop'ed away their Ambassador(s) once they were thin.

Absolutely. I don't know if he had Ambassador collisions, and he pretty much never was thin, but he had Lighthouse up every turn pretty much, so he couldn't have been that junked.

I'm just learning the game. I mostly resigned because you were sorta a jerk in chat :(
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