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[gkrieg13]

I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.

You know third party is not town, right...?

I guess I meant not scum then.  I think e is town and XP is 3rd party.  3rd party doesn't hurt us at this point right?  If his win condition requires a town person to be alive, doesn't that basically mean he wins if and only if town wins?

PPE

[EFHW]

Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.

Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.

PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow

The bolded part is confusing.  How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?

[gkrieg13]

just realized that it is even better for town than that, he only wins if certain town are left, which means he doesn't want any town to be lynched.  Am I understanding that right?

PPE

[EFHW]

just realized that it is even better for town than that, he only wins if certain town are left, which means he doesn't want any town to be lynched.  Am I understanding that right?

PPE

Assuming he is telling the truth.

[Witherweaver]

I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.

You know third party is not town, right...?

I guess I meant not scum then.  I think e is town and XP is 3rd party.  3rd party doesn't hurt us at this point right?  If his win condition requires a town person to be alive, doesn't that basically mean he wins if and only if town wins?

PPE

He could just as easily be lying about his win con.  Keeping him alive doesn't help us; it doesn't make sense for you to lynch someone you think is town over third party.

[Witherweaver]

Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.

Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.

PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow

The bolded part is confusing.  How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?

I'm guessing it means "there exists <flavor name> in this game; you win if the player with that flavor name is not lynched".

[Witherweaver]

Or, survives I suppose.

[EFHW]

ok thanks!  What are all of the people on hockey doing?  I don't want this to come down to a coin flip.

I'm starting to want to flip a coin myself.  I don't like the contradictions in XP's description of his role and his talking as if he knows UoS's alignment.

[gkrieg13]

I actually believe that both e and XP are town at this point but I believe XP on this one because I could see his PM having survivor-aligned in it and I don't think he would make that role up.

You know third party is not town, right...?

I guess I meant not scum then.  I think e is town and XP is 3rd party.  3rd party doesn't hurt us at this point right?  If his win condition requires a town person to be alive, doesn't that basically mean he wins if and only if town wins?

PPE

He could just as easily be lying about his win con.  Keeping him alive doesn't help us; it doesn't make sense for you to lynch someone you think is town over third party.

I agree.  I will wait for him to come back and answer the questions.  Inamorata does mean lover though.  So the name does make sense.

PPEs

[EFHW]

lover is a role actually, in which two people are lovers and if one dies the other one does too.

XP is often unclear in his posts, and e's posts feel scummy as all get out, so I'll stay where I am, but won't be too fussed if XP is lynched today.  Tomorrow is another day, after all.  I do think the quick voting is going to make it harder to get information from his wagon, though.

[Ghacob]

Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.

Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.

PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow

The bolded part is confusing.  How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?

in·am·o·ra·ta
iˌnaməˈrädə/
noun
a person's female lover
I presume that means he knows "her" lover's flavor name

Regardless...
I don't particularly like any of the lynch options here and it's too late to start a new wagon..
What's the case on e again?
/reread
yeah, still don't see anything

XP has to have more powers than that as, as described that makes him weaker than VT

You could explain it off with RMM, in there for flavor, but I would lean towards the other way, there should be more for flavor

PPE: 7 repeated a bunch of stuff

[Seprix]

EFHW's absurd overreacting to me, e, and Seprix "suddenly" wanting to vote XP has me wanting to lynch him even more.

You act like you've been watching me, but you clearly haven't, because

A. You ASKED me to lynch XP anyways
B. I've been wanting to lynch XP
C. I only switched from XP to you because you're kind of suspicious to me, but you're not really a D1 target so I admit that vote was spite

[Ghacob]

...That bold makes me seem a lot more confident than I am

..actually,

I need to full claim to do that and I don't want to claim fully now.

That's not a full claim, and as of just hearing the bit you gave us, I'm inclined to trust you less

PPE: 1

[Seprix]

So e and XP both at 7.. Wow.

I don't think I'll move my vote, as I don't think e is scum.

[XerxesPraelor]

That is a full claim.

[Seprix]

We have about 30 minutes, everyone.

[Seprix]

So Xp doesn't want to claim until D2? Interesting.

[XerxesPraelor]

Looks like I have to claim now. I'm third party, the Inamorata, but my win condition is having a person I have as confirmed town (whose identity I do not know) survive. That makes me want town to have as perfect a game as possible, and to not want to lynch town.

Hopefully you can see where the wording in my PM was similar and why I only partially supported the chairs case.

PPE: lynch gkrieg tomorrow

The bolded part is confusing.  How can you have someone confirmed town if you don't know their identity?

The PM tells me the person who my winning is based on is town.

[Seprix]

So... Lover?

[gkrieg13]

His claim does fit with his role-fishing behavior, both that the post talks about being weirded out by the name and also why he would role-fish.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.14:

XP (7):  chairs, uos, Seprix, 2.7, WW, IG, Ghacob
hockeysemlan (3):  Hydrad, silverspawn, EgorK
2.7 (7): XP, TA, mail-mi, hockey, faust, efhw, gkrieg13

Not Voting (0):

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on July 9 at 12:01 a.m. forum time.

That's in ~30 minutes.

[Seprix]

XP is one of two things:

1. He is a Lover.
2. He is not town. (This can be 3rd party or scum)

[Seprix]

If the above is true, I might just reconsider my vote.

[EFHW]

XP is one of two things:

1. He is a Lover.
2. He is not town. (This can be 3rd party or scum)

He could be both

[Ghacob]

If the above is true, I might just reconsider my vote.

He claimed 3rd party, which would be a terribly not smart thing to do as a town lover, as far as I'm aware