Topic: RMM13: Wheel of Time Mafia! FORSAKEN WIN! (Read 178415 times)

AndrewisFTTW · « **Reply #1875 on:** May 03, 2014, 05:36:07 pm »

Also when Xeiron added the dead players to my list, he added this:

Shraeye Loial son of Arent son of Halan, an Ogier 1-shot Commuter.
N1 - Did not commute
Killed N1

How do we know Shraeye didn't commute N1? I thought Commuter wasn't really an action, but rather when you're a Commuter, you just Commute each night.

Also from mafiascum:

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed). If that player did not target anyone, the Tracker receives a result of 'did not target anyone' or similar."

But Jimm claims he got "no result" from what I remember. He never said "did not target anyone".

yuma · « **Reply #1876 on:** May 03, 2014, 05:41:50 pm »

Most games that have a tracker and a role that is capable of blocking the mod simplifies it down to "no result" for both times when the target didn't target anyone OR if the tracker was blocked. Otherwise the tracker immediately knows if he was blocked that night--something that puts whomever at a disadvantage.

From your same wiki:

"Some moderators return no result when the Tracker's target does not go anywhere at Night; this is indistinguishable from the message that would be received if the Tracker was Roleblocked. However, this is not Normal and tends to be seen in role madness games as a means of introducing more confusion."

I disagree with the more confusion part and see it more as a way to give roleblockers more anonymity.

Anyways... what was the point?

yuma · « **Reply #1877 on:** May 03, 2014, 05:45:17 pm »

and a commuter has to choose to commute in general. And he didn't commute because he died.

If he had commuted he probably wouldn't have died. Commuter is generally at the top of the resolution sequence and is resolved first.

As for arch's thing. I believe he actively targeted me once. From then on it is a passive targeting. One that wouldn't be picked up by a tracking result because it is passive. At least that is how I would have played it out and how it appears it is playing out here.

but all of this is just WIOM the mod. Something that I don't really like to do and something I don't really see as productive.

AndrewisFTTW · « **Reply #1878 on:** May 03, 2014, 05:52:30 pm »

Ok well that clears that up. So you think Jimm tracked Arch to see if he could catch him in a lie? That makes sense. But I'm still calling for that ash/Jimm scum team.

vote: ash

yuma · « **Reply #1879 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:31:50 am »

Arch what are your thoughts?

Archetype · « **Reply #1880 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:43:56 am »

Quote from: yuma on May 04, 2014, 11:31:50 am

Arch what are your thoughts?

I'm leaning Andrew and ash being the remaining scum. I started the day out thinking ash may be more likely, but now I'm leaning Andrew.

yuma · « **Reply #1881 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:48:13 am »

I kinda feel the same but, I feel like we need to lynch ashersky. I think he is scum a little more than Andrew, but I am not sure. Will you vote there with me?

If we do Andrew, if you are town... you must doctor archetype tonight. If he dies you will be the lynch tomorrow. I know you won't fully understand this, but if you think I am town then just do it!!! But more importantly if Archetype dies tonight you will be the lynch. There is of course a risk here that if scum has some sort of strongman and you aren't scum then they will just set you up. But that is a risk we have to take. Do not protect me. Arch is protecting me. So protect Arch instead. This of course is assuming that we are still going to be alive after lynching ash, I think we will, but I am not 100% sure...

yuma · « **Reply #1882 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:49:09 am »

vote: ash

AndrewisFTTW · « **Reply #1883 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:52:28 am »

Absolutely. I still think Jimm and ash are scum, and thus you and Arch are telling the truth.

yuma · « **Reply #1884 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:53:26 am »

Ok. I think we just need arch to hammer. Arch hammer? Or you want to talk it through some more...?

Archetype · « **Reply #1885 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:56:50 am »

Quote from: yuma on May 04, 2014, 11:48:13 am

I kinda feel the same but, I feel like we need to lynch ashersky. I think he is scum a little more than Andrew, but I am not sure. Will you vote there with me?

If we do Andrew, if you are town... you must doctor archetype tonight. If he dies you will be the lynch tomorrow. I know you won't fully understand this, but if you think I am town then just do it!!! But more importantly if Archetype dies tonight you will be the lynch. There is of course a risk here that if scum has some sort of strongman and you aren't scum then they will just set you up. But that is a risk we have to take. Do not protect me. Arch is protecting me. So protect Arch instead. This of course is assuming that we are still going to be alive after lynching ash, I think we will, but I am not 100% sure...

Do you want me to me to vote right now?

yuma, I think Andrew should Roleblock Jimmmmm. I do not want to run the risk of scum!Jimmmmm making Andrew Jailkeep me and then killing you.

yuma · « **Reply #1886 on:** May 04, 2014, 11:59:03 am »

I would like you to vote now yes, and don't worry about me. I don't mind being killed. But again if Arch dies tonight, andrew is the lynch. Doctor Arch.

If what you say is true arch, that Jimmm makes andrew jail you and then kills me then just lynch jimmmm tomorrow.

Or am I missing something important on my side of the equation?

yuma · « **Reply #1887 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:00:01 pm »

I think I might be missing something important, am I?

Archetype · « **Reply #1888 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:02:26 pm »

Quote from: yuma on May 04, 2014, 12:00:01 pm

I think I might be missing something important, am I?

Yes. Think about why I'm Town, again.

yuma · « **Reply #1889 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:03:42 pm »

right... do you think you might be missing something important or do you think you have all the information necessary?

Archetype · « **Reply #1890 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:04:47 pm »

Quote from: yuma on May 04, 2014, 12:03:42 pm

right... do you think you might be missing something important or do you think you have all the information necessary?

I checked -- I think we're OK.

Vote: ashersky

Andrew: Doctor me, please.

yuma · « **Reply #1891 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:05:22 pm »

maybe our best bet is hoping there is only a 2 man scum team? If there is only 2 scum, which out of the three is most likely to be it. I would probably say Andrew.

yuma · « **Reply #1892 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:05:53 pm »

and now we wait and hope

Archetype · « **Reply #1893 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:07:55 pm »

Quote from: yuma on May 04, 2014, 12:05:22 pm

maybe our best bet is hoping there is only a 2 man scum team? If there is only 2 scum, which out of the three is most likely to be it. I would probably say Andrew.

If ash is scum, I think Andrew is the most likely partner.

yuma · « **Reply #1894 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:08:42 pm »

and ash, if you are town. Don't be mad.... well be mad, but we can talk after the game is over. But I really, really don't think you are town.

Archetype · « **Reply #1895 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:12:53 pm »

Quote from: Jorbles on May 03, 2014, 02:06:43 pm

In the event of a hammer this weekend I will be in and out all weekend. Not sure about mail-mi's availability. There may be twilight.

It may be awhile before we get a flip.

yuma · « **Reply #1896 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:15:31 pm »

yeah, I am hoping mail-mi has early church and will give us our flip soon! or sneaks onto his smartphone while at church...

Archetype · « **Reply #1897 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:21:44 pm »

Quote from: yuma on May 04, 2014, 12:15:31 pm

yeah, I am hoping mail-mi has early church and will give us our flip soon! or sneaks onto his smartphone while at church...

I do.

AndrewisFTTW · « **Reply #1898 on:** May 04, 2014, 12:40:07 pm »

If ash is scum how does that make me his partner? I've been pushing ash's lynch for most of the game.

mail-mi · « **Reply #1899 on:** May 04, 2014, 02:48:51 pm »

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