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[Twistedarcher]

If Aviendha is 100% a good guy, and Yuma is 100% Aviendha, then yes he's IC in my books. Fire when you want, I trust your judgement I will explain my confusion after the game if you're still interested.

and i'll reread my pm to make sure I am not missing something... i take it that it is something that shouldn't be publicly revealed?

Yeah, no good can come from it. It's either mod ambiguity confusing me, or something else that I don't wanna explain now that you're def IC.

[Jimmmmm]

All scum will get a flavor fakeclaim.

Everything written in lime green italics is just flavor--it has no impact on the game whatsoever!

I agree that yuma is probably Town, but surely trying to create ICs based on flavour is a losing proposition.

[Twistedarcher]

Pretty sure that's referring to vote counts and such and not like actual game. Flavor DEFINITELY matters.

[Jimmmmm]

It says everything written in lime green.

Where does it say that flavour matters?

[Jimmmmm]

Or lime green italics rather.

[yuma]

So I still haven't seen anything along the lines of what TA is talking about. However, maybe there is something I don't know about....

This makes me more willing to shoot today. But this is the way I see it...

I am willing to shoot today--most likely shoot the player that is going to be lynched with people voting pseudo style etov: mail-mi with claims and intent to hammer as if it were a true lynch

If I hit scum, we lynch again with the context of that flip.
If we hit town we quickly vote for no-lynch and act as if it was the lynch for the day.

What I really don't want is two town flips today.

[Twistedarcher]

Are you really saying that you think flavor doesn't matter?

[Twistedarcher]

No Yuma it's not information you are missing, I was just confused by my result last night and what it meant in accordance to your action. And I know this is confusing but trust me there's nothing extra I know about your role or anything, you are 100% in the know (obviously, it's your role not mine :p)

[Twistedarcher]

I agree with Those responses on scum/town shots.

Ill start by vote:jimmmmm. Still got a lot to re-read though. 

[Jimmmmm]

Are you really saying that you think flavor doesn't matter?

Are you just assuming that it does, or are you basing it on something mail-mi has said? I mean, we have mod confirmation that scum have fakeclaims and that anything in lime green italics is "just flavor" and "has no impact on the game". How else are we supposed to take that?

[yuma]

Welcome to RMM13, Jorbles. You are Galad Damodred, Warder-in-training.

Why can't everyone else see the world as you do? You've always had a good sense of right and wrong, Light and Shadow. Other people just don't see it that way. Well. You've been training at the White Tower to become a Warder, and you'll be using those skills, along with your sense of morality, to rat out the Shadow and win the Last Battle.

You are a Cop-Vigilante.

-Each night, you may send me the name of a player. I will tell you their alignment.
-If the person you target is a Forsaken, or targeted a member of the Light that night, you will kill them.

Please confirm by PM.

Except that my Maiden stuff isn't in lime green. It is in normal green like the above... so it does matter and does count...

[Jimmmmm]

Welcome to RMM13, Jorbles. You are Galad Damodred, Warder-in-training.

Why can't everyone else see the world as you do? You've always had a good sense of right and wrong, Light and Shadow. Other people just don't see it that way. Well. You've been training at the White Tower to become a Warder, and you'll be using those skills, along with your sense of morality, to rat out the Shadow and win the Last Battle.

You are a Cop-Vigilante.

-Each night, you may send me the name of a player. I will tell you their alignment.
-If the person you target is a Forsaken, or targeted a member of the Light that night, you will kill them.

Please confirm by PM.

Except that my Maiden stuff isn't in lime green. It is in normal green like the above... so it does matter and does count...

Is it in italics? So it's the same colour as Galad Damo.. and Cop-Vigilante and a different colour to "Why can't everyone..."?

[yuma]

Huh?

[yuma]

Oh... sorry. I am trying to not break any rules.

What I am saying is that what TA is referring to is in the darker green like the Galad Damodred... not the lime green. So I think it matters. But yes, mafia does get fake claims according to the rules.

And my IC status was me mostly being fascitious. I feel I was already pretty close to IC to start with, so this isn't super important to me.

[Twistedarcher]

Ok here's how I feel.

Mafia gets fake claims of course. But I know that Yumas character is 100% good (trusting witherweaver here but I'm sure he is true.) and from my night action I know that Yuma is 100% the character he claims. Therefore he is 100% town in my eyes.

Flavor matters, I know this because my role would make no sense without flavor. People have said sudgy's role and flavor name matched too I think? Plus it's rmm and flavor will always matter.

I think the quote you pointed out just referred to flavor in thread.

[Jimmmmm]

And my IC status was me mostly being fascitious.

Yeah, I understand that.

I feel I was already pretty close to IC to start with, so this isn't super important to me.

Well yeah, at this stage I won't lynch you Today, probably won't lynch you Tomorrow either, so there's not a whole lot of difference between you and an IC at the moment. But I certainly don't think we should give anything close to an IC status to anyone who comes up with a believable flavour claim.

[Twistedarcher]

Jimmm are you ignoring the fact that I am verifying that he is who he says he is?

[Jimmmmm]

fixed quoting

And my IC status was me mostly being fascitious.

Yeah, I understand that.

I feel I was already pretty close to IC to start with, so this isn't super important to me.

Well yeah, at this stage I won't lynch you Today, probably won't lynch you Tomorrow either, so there's not a whole lot of difference between you and an IC at the moment. But I certainly don't think we should give anything close to an IC status to anyone who comes up with a believable flavour claim.

[Jimmmmm]

Mafia gets fake claims of course. But I know that Yumas character is 100% good (trusting witherweaver here but I'm sure he is true.) and from my night action I know that Yuma is 100% the character he claims. Therefore he is 100% town in my eyes.

Oh, okay, I didn't realise you had claimed a result. I'm at work, so only half following. Maybe I should wait until I can give this game my full attention before commenting further.

[ashersky]

TA is town and telling the truth.

vote: jimmmmm to have a vacation vote and because I think his reaction to TA's reveal is off.

[Jimmmmm]

TA is town and telling the truth.

vote: jimmmmm to have a vacation vote and because I think his reaction to TA's reveal is off.

What do you mean by off?

[Witherweaver]

Only way Yuma's flavor claim is fake is if TA and Yuma are scum team and they planned it.  Scum gets fake claims but I seriously doubt they get fake investigative items.

I don't think this scenario is likely. 

[xeiron]

...

Yes I know you changed your read, but like I said before it's the extreme change that's weird.  It seems that if you are willing to lynch him now you would have at least considered the possibility that he was lying before.

I did start to consider the possibility of Yuma lying since around the start of D2, and my suscpicion has crow since then whenever the topic has been up.

Anyway unvote:, TA's result pretty much clears Yuma.

[xeiron]

So I still haven't seen anything along the lines of what TA is talking about. However, maybe there is something I don't know about....

This makes me more willing to shoot today. But this is the way I see it...

I am willing to shoot today--most likely shoot the player that is going to be lynched with people voting pseudo style etov: mail-mi with claims and intent to hammer as if it were a true lynch

If I hit scum, we lynch again with the context of that flip.
If we hit town we quickly vote for no-lynch and act as if it was the lynch for the day.

What I really don't want is two town flips today.

Great!
I approve of this plan.

[XerxesPraelor]

vote: jimmm
His reactions to xeiron are scummy and I'll have LA for 24 hrs.