unvoteThoughts in a less post-by-post fasion:
You go on dismissing ash's case on you, trying to make it sound weaker than it is. But now suddenly you seem to think it's possible that ash just finds you scummy, which you earlier said was ridiculous.
After seeing that you cannot convince ash, you try to force an end on the discussion, and start bringing up other stuff.
Thanks for encouraging me to reread, Andrew! Makes me more confident in my vote on you.
These last points seem super stretched. For example, he starts talking about xeiron/Jimmm defensiveness. Which is a great discussion ready to be had. I'm super-bummed that people are focusing on meta-conversations about assumptions when there's other stuff to talk about too. This post makes me slightly worried about faust. Actually, I think that qualifies as a scumread. So there.
PoE means that their pretty much has to be scum on this wagon, so I'm going to do a reread and try and figure out who it is.
Not in the least. Please explain why you have townreads on so many people off the wagon, enough to justify saying PoE means there pretty much is scum on the wagon. That is xeiron, Jimmm, Archetype, yuma, witherweaver, andrew. Are they all towny?
- jimmmm - remember in diffusion d1, when pingpongsam (as scum) was calling us as a scum team simply for pushing him early day1? He played a very "me-centric" game there, as in he was calling scum based only on who was pushing HIS wagon and interactions with HIM and nothing else. Does Andrew calling the scum team all on his wagon remind you of that? Cause it does to me. It's the approach of "scum want to be pushing through MY mislynch over everyone else" which is pretty irrational as town. The fact that Andrew is saying all scum are focused on lynching him is ringing alarm bells.
I kinda agree. This is my point when I brought up that Andrew analyzed his wagon from a "scum HAVE to be pushing this" perspective. Andrew, if you're town, start focusing on other things. Faust is definitely wrong when he says that's scummy.
sudgy- switched from my wagon to Andrew's pretty easily, seems like he knew they were both mislynches and was waiting to see which one was going to be easier to push.
I think you are somewhat scummy, but not as much as Andrew. Also, I knew more work would get done if I switched to Andrew.
Sudgy, why did you put Andrew to L-1 if you arent comfortable lynching him?
I am comfortable lynching him, but not right away.
Alright. If you don't want it right away, then why put him to L-1? Especially since you said you'd go after whoever hammered him...that hammering could be prevented if you never put Andrew to L-1 in the first place.
Yeah, I also don't understand the "L-1 but no hammer!" idea. Even after I saw sudgy's explanation. I guess L-1 could scare somebody into reacting more...honestly?...vigorously? I don't vote for somebody unless I'm happy to lynch them. Ever. And I mean lynch there and on the spot. I see no reason to extend days once my mind has been made up. Sure sure sure, "more interactions could come up"...OR, more shit could happen that just clutters the thread, distracts people's attention, and dilutes my reads. Not every interaction is useful.
I think yuma's almost definitely Town. I think you're probably Town even though that still reminds me of your threats in Chocolate Factory, so less probably than before but still probably. I think Andrew has a decent chance of flipping scum and think he should probably claim. I'm getting the usual scummy vibe from Arch and I'm not sure what that means these days. And I think I'm going to re-read xeiron.
Thanks.
I'm worried about shraeye now. 3 posts, sheeped me on the scumslip, disappeared. Nothing in the VLA thread. Odd.
VERY CONCERNING. I don't understand how you get scumreads from shraeye on this, especially if you've seen me as scum as often as you have. I regularly disappear for 1-2 days at a time. When I "sheep" it's because I was about to make the same point. I rarely take anybody's opinion into consideration other than my own; because I'm a stubborn, arrogant butt-face. This aspect of my meta is also known. Instead of repeating the same post, I say "agree" meaning "This is literally something I was about to say. I will just quote it to show I agree."