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[Archetype]

Unvote.  People reacted to that a lot less than I was hoping they would... 

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

Policy vote: Xerxes

Don't just flavor claim without us having a consensus about it.

I'll also policy Vote: XerxesPraelor.  Where flavor is related to role, never claim it without consensus.

Speaking of flavor, does anybody have a place where I can look up flavor?

When I googled my dude it pulled up a Wheel of Time-opedia thing.

[Witherweaver]

Unvote.  People reacted to that a lot less than I was hoping they would... 

Also, does anyone have something in their PM saying they're attending a meeting?

Flavor claim: egwene.

Policy vote: Xerxes

Don't just flavor claim without us having a consensus about it.

I'll also policy Vote: XerxesPraelor.  Where flavor is related to role, never claim it without consensus.

Speaking of flavor, does anybody have a place where I can look up flavor?

When I googled my dude it pulled up a Wheel of Time-opedia thing.

Probably http://wot.wikia.com.  It has a decent amount of information, I think, though it might not be updated with the latest books.  It should have enough info on a given character, though.

[mail-mi]

For all those of you that don't know flavor, this wiki will be of good use to you to figure out your character and make the flavor more enjoyable.

still waiting on one more confirm.

[ashersky]

Jorbles missed my unvote.

Mail-mi, your link is hidden in the formatting.

[ashersky]

Does yuma get to vig every single day?

Does this mean you're Mordeth?

If I was Mordeth, I think I would know what kind of guy I am.

vote: faust
Sounds like he set himself up for this to look towny.

I get a town read on Faust.  It's suspicious, but, like, way too suspicious.  If he was scum and really didn't know, I can't see bringing up Mordeth as a worthwhile risk.  It being in his flavor text (though I'm not sure it is) points to him being Mat, which is as good as goodies get.

This is weird. Why is faust getting towncred? xeiron already said he has a townread on faust, then this (after a somewhat lengthy back-and-forth), and now Arch after he said he's iffy on him? Hmmm...

Because if he was scum, and he was honest about not knowing much about WoT, then bringing up Mordeth seems like a huge risk.  He wouldn't know what flavor implications that could have, and it doesn't make sense to take that risk if he has something to hide. 

He could actually be Mordeth.. but then why ask that question at all?  And I can't imagine Padan Fain and Mordeth being separate characters.  They're basically the same character throughout most of the series.

I doubt mail-mi made Mordeth a flavor character. But anyway, there's only three scum and sometimes they have to take huge risks. It's a null read for me right now but the argument is definitely WIFOM, and scum wants us to argue about things that don't have an obvious answer.

How does Andrew know the number of scum?  It's not listed anywhere--I just checked?  Scum slip.

vote: andrew

[ashersky]

There's only three scum but there's also possibly (probably) at least one third party, i.e. a serial killer, which both town and scum have to worry about.

Why does ADK know the number of scum and seem so sure there's a third party?  Scum/SK slip, lynch tomorrow.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Man, I just assumed based on the game size.

[shraeye]

I'm totally on board with ash.

Vote: andrew

[AndrewisFTTW]

Scumslip? Really? I thought in big games there are three and in small games there are two. Is this incorrect?

[Jorbles]

Vote Count 1.2:

Jimmmm (1): xeiron
sudgy (1): Jimmmmm
faust (1): XerxesPraelor
XerxesPraelor (2): faust, sudgy
xeiron (2): Archetype, A Drowned Kernel
AndrewisFTTW (2): ashersky, shraeye

Not voting (4): yuma, Twistedarcher, Witherweaver, AndrewisFTTW

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Jorbles missed my unvote.

Mail-mi, your link is hidden in the formatting.

(Apologies, it's irrelevant now.)

[mail-mi]

Jorbles missed my unvote.

Mail-mi, your link is hidden in the formatting.

For all those of you that don't know flavor, this wiki will be of good use to you to figure out your character and make the flavor more enjoyable.

still waiting on one more confirm.

Click on "this wiki." That's a link to a WoT wiki.

[Witherweaver]

Does yuma get to vig every single day?

...

I doubt mail-mi made Mordeth a flavor character. But anyway, there's only three scum and sometimes they have to take huge risks. It's a null read for me right now but the argument is definitely WIFOM, and scum wants us to argue about things that don't have an obvious answer.

How does Andrew know the number of scum?  It's not listed anywhere--I just checked?  Scum slip.

vote: andrew

I found this odd, too, but I thought that maybe there is a standard number of scum given the number of players. 

[Witherweaver]

Sorry, I put my last reply inside a bunch of quotes.  I meant to say "I found this odd, too, but I thought that maybe there is a standard number of scum given the number of players. " outside of all those quotes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Every setup I've played so far, the number of scum players was known before the game. The games where there were about this many players had three scum. I didn't realize that we don't actually know, though I assume that it's either 2 or 3, as more is probably too strong and 1 doesn't make sense.

[Witherweaver]

Every setup I've played so far, the number of scum players was known before the game. The games where there were about this many players had three scum. I didn't realize that we don't actually know, though I assume that it's either 2 or 3, as more is probably too strong and 1 doesn't make sense.

This sounds like a retractment to the earlier strong statement:

There's only three scum but there's also possibly (probably) at least one third party, i.e. a serial killer, which both town and scum have to worry about.

Also, why probably at least one third party?

[A Drowned Kernel]

It is a retractment, earlier I was making an assumption and I realized that it was unfounded. My statement about their "probably" being a third party is based mostly on flavor and the fact that RMM games are supposed to be chaotic, so again, maybe I'm making assumptions that I shouldn't be.

[xeiron]

...

Is there something wrong with getting defensive?

Getting defensive is not wrong, but it is something some persons do as scum.
On the same line, asking question is something both scum and town could do.

But since scum do have incentive to keep as many people as possible in the lynch pool, I found it was worth to keep an eye on jimm. By voting I draw attention, so that others can also keep an eye on jimm.

...

Vote: xeiron

Jimmmm was just asking a question (which my answer to is: no. I think it's very likely Yuma is Town). I think xeiron's vote was him jumping to conclusions too quickly.

I am not concluding anything. I am drawing attention to somthing I think is worth noticing.

[ashersky]

ADK is flailing.

I'd suggest yuma dayvig ADK and we lynch Andrew.  Could be town's fastest win ever.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think ashersky is jumping on newbies making a dumb mistake to push town into mislynches. The "fastest win ever thing" also seems calculated to appeal to people's egos; people like the idea of town winning quickly. It's enough for me to

Vote: ash

[shraeye]

antivote: ash.

He's doing great.

[ashersky]

I think ashersky is jumping on newbies making a dumb mistake to push town into mislynches. The "fastest win ever thing" also seems calculated to appeal to people's egos; people like the idea of town winning quickly. It's enough for me to

Vote: ash

This is OMGUS, given I just pointed out how you gave yourself away as scum/third party.

[AndrewisFTTW]

...

Is there something wrong with getting defensive?

Getting defensive is not wrong, but it is something some persons do as scum.
On the same line, asking question is something both scum and town could do.

But since scum do have incentive to keep as many people as possible in the lynch pool, I found it was worth to keep an eye on jimm. By voting I draw attention, so that others can also keep an eye on jimm.

...

Vote: xeiron

Jimmmm was just asking a question (which my answer to is: no. I think it's very likely Yuma is Town). I think xeiron's vote was him jumping to conclusions too quickly.

I am not concluding anything. I am drawing attention to somthing I think is worth noticing.

You're getting defensive. That's scummy, right?

ADK is flailing.

I'd suggest yuma dayvig ADK and we lynch Andrew.  Could be town's fastest win ever.

Did I accidentally join a drunk mafia game?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Am I crazy for thinking that ash looks scummy here? Yeah, Andrew and I made a dumb assumption about the setup, it happens. Jumping in with "obviously they're scum, let's dayvig them and win" seems like a disproportionate response.

[Twistedarcher]

Scumslip? Really? I thought in big games there are three and in small games there are two. Is this incorrect?

I don't find the scum slip that compelling -- we did this same thing in innovation and it came from town, not scum -- but I DO find this response from Andrew scummy. It's too...calm?

vote:Andrew [/]

[AndrewisFTTW]

Scumslip? Really? I thought in big games there are three and in small games there are two. Is this incorrect?

I don't find the scum slip that compelling -- we did this same thing in innovation and it came from town, not scum -- but I DO find this response from Andrew scummy. It's too...calm?

vote:Andrew [/]

Ok then please tell me how I'm supposed to react. I wasn't aware of a standard response to this sort of thing.

Anyway, when I see experienced players (like ash) say crazy things, it's either because they're town trying to provoke some sort of response to get what they think will be a better read or scum trying to make a big deal out of nothing and thus start a wagon bound for mislynch city. I don't know which ash is, but I don't think it's ridiculous to assume there's scum voting for me right now. A re-read is in order.