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I just +1ed the posts that say it was a penalty because that is exactly what it was.  I do not understand how much people are complaining about it.  Commentators, average football fans, your mother-in-law, etc.  Marquez stepped on Robben's foot, which caused him to fall over.  Penalty.  Sure it was embellished, but defenders know that is going to happen and don't need to make reckless challenges like that one was.

[Davio]

The penalty is an awkward punishment though.

Basically, the rule is that any foul committed on a player inside the box is a direct free kick, thus a penalty. Only things like the keeper picking up the ball with his hands if passed to by his own defense are indirect free kicks.

Currently, there is no grey area, it's either a penalty or no foul at all. This causes defenders to take risks knowing that refs often won't punish severely by giving a penalty kick for light fouls. I think the refs should be able to give indirect free kicks inside the box for light fouls (based on their own judgement). Sure, this doesn't really solve the issue, but makes it more complex. Now the refs have to judge whether something is no foul, a light foul or a penalty. I still think it's better than the way it is now though.


Also, I have no idea why there are no video refs in football. Well, I know why there aren't (Blatter and his men in their ivory tower), but there should be! Just give each captain 3 moments they can look back (like a supposed penalty that wasn't given) per half or something. There is way too much at stake to let human error be a deciding factor. Football is just so far behind something like field hockey where they keep innovating their sport.

[DG]

Just give each captain 3 moments they can look back (like a supposed penalty that wasn't given) per half or something.

Any bets that the captains will use a challenge when the opposition are rushing on the counterattack?

[Davio]

Well, you would obviously only allow it at the same moments where you could otherwise bring on a substitute.

[soulnet]

Well, you would obviously only allow it at the same moments where you could otherwise bring on a substitute.

That could imply rewinding several minutes of play (possibly including a goal or a penalty). Would you only allow video ref for plays that do not continue too long after the alleged unsanctioned foul?

As for why it did not happen, I think it give the referees more power, and since FIFA decides referees, it gives FIFA more power to have referee decisions be final. I do not think they arrange every match, but I do think they tweak it by assigning referees with this or that property to particular games.

[ashersky]

It's a clear penalty, defender steps on the forward's foot in the box as he's running to the ball. Yes he embellished but I think it's a clear penalty.

I am really really hoping we get a Germany-France match (and would be surprised if we don't). Getting pumped for tomorrow!

I just +1ed the posts that say it was a penalty because that is exactly what it was.  I do not understand how much people are complaining about it.  Commentators, average football fans, your mother-in-law, etc.  Marquez stepped on Robben's foot, which caused him to fall over.  Penalty.  Sure it was embellished, but defenders know that is going to happen and don't need to make reckless challenges like that one was.

The super slo-mo here was focused on how he didn't actually touch Robben at all.  Marquez's foot came down cleanly on the grass and Robben literally dove over the foot.

As for how much he embellished...again, on super slo-mo you've got superman arms before the foul starts and a grimace worthy of childbirth for what was, at worst, an ouchie on his foot, and was actually a non-touch (from super slo-mo replay here).

[ashersky]

In other news, go Algeria!

[Teproc]

Well that was the best match of this World Cup (admiteddly I didn't see Netherlands/Spain). I'm so impressed by what Algeria did.

I felt very lonely rooting for Germany over here, and I think people will underestimate their performance here. They got everything right except for the actual scoring part, which is more than I can say for us.

What's up with the referees loving France in this WOrld Cup by the way ? Matuidi should've been out the door, and I don't see us winning the match from there... not unhappy with the result, but puzzled.

[ipofanes]

Currently, there is no grey area, it's either a penalty or no foul at all. This causes defenders to take risks knowing that refs often won't punish severely by giving a penalty kick for light fouls. I think the refs should be able to give indirect free kicks inside the box for light fouls (based on their own judgement). Sure, this doesn't really solve the issue, but makes it more complex. Now the refs have to judge whether something is no foul, a light foul or a penalty. I still think it's better than the way it is now though.

I can remember that indirects in the box were called until the early 1980s.

I'd be more o.k. with these "grey area" non-calls if it went both ways, i.e. a goal after nudging or tripping a defender would count.

[ipofanes]

Well that was the best match of this World Cup (admiteddly I didn't see Netherlands/Spain). I'm so impressed by what Algeria did.

[Germany] got everything right except for the actual scoring part, which is more than I can say for us.

Germany was tactically outmaneuvered until half time. It doesn't take much to best the team in tactics, but still a great effort, and had Algeria scored in the first half the game would have gone a different way.

All tactical reconsiderations and substitutes by Löw were spot on. Second half was as I expected the whole game to be.

[Davio]

Currently, there is no grey area, it's either a penalty or no foul at all. This causes defenders to take risks knowing that refs often won't punish severely by giving a penalty kick for light fouls. I think the refs should be able to give indirect free kicks inside the box for light fouls (based on their own judgement). Sure, this doesn't really solve the issue, but makes it more complex. Now the refs have to judge whether something is no foul, a light foul or a penalty. I still think it's better than the way it is now though.

I can remember that indirects in the box were called until the early 1980s.

I'd be more o.k. with these "grey area" non-calls if it went both ways, i.e. a goal after nudging or tripping a defender would count.

Which actual rule modifications need to be implemented is up for debate, but currently, there is no debate at all! Or at least, a very slow one.
I'd rather they just try something and see if it works instead of holding out for so long.

[jonts26]

Group winners are 7-7 thus far in the round of 16. I think a group runner up is due for a win.

[jonts26]

I am so stressed out by this game. How is it not 10-0 Belgium?

[MarkowKette]

I guess Howard is a pretty good keeper

[Witherweaver]

I don't have any experience with this sport.  Who would be favored if this comes down to penalty kicks?

Edit: I mean, I'm asking this of anyone that has some evaluation of Belgium and USA.

[ashersky]

It won't.  USA is out.  We don't deserve to be here.

[jonts26]

I don't have any experience with this sport.  Who would be favored if this comes down to penalty kicks?

Edit: I mean, I'm asking this of anyone that has some evaluation of Belgium and USA.

In my experience penalties are a crapshoot. But seeing as how good Howard has been today...

Now let's get an equalizer.

[Witherweaver]

It won't.  USA is out.  We don't deserve to be here.

I thought you were Australian!

[MarkowKette]

klinsmann seems to have a good hands for who to bring

[ashersky]

It won't.  USA is out.  We don't deserve to be here.

I thought you were Australian!

I live in Australia.  I'm from the US.

[jonts26]

Damn. Phenomenal game though.

[theory]

Not an undeserved loss but a brutal one.

[yuma]

Well that is that. Beckerman should have been in the game. We might not have won if he had been, but we wouldn't have given up 18+ shots on target. Cameron was awful--playing out of position I don't blame him at all. Wondo was the one sub I didn't like. Would have preferred Becks coming in for Bedoya, having Yedlin slide up and Cameron over to right back. Zusi also was pretty bad.

And ash, we did deserve to be there. We deserved exactly what we got. We are a top 16 team, but not a top 8. Some work to do yet... Also that last goal was exactly what I was talking about earlier in regard to Bradley.

Lot's of hope for the future. Yedlin, Brooks, Greene, etc, etc are quite promising.

[Teproc]

So long, USA, and thanks for all the fish.

Related : to soulnet, if you still don't think Argentina is a mediocre team being carried by an exceptional player after yesterday's match, I don't know what to tell you. This is exactly what Argentina was in the 80's too !

[soulnet]

You mean today's match?

Come one, Argentina played pretty well, and probably deserved to win like 3-1 in regular time (especially for the second half, the first half was a pretty deserved tie). Also, if the ref would have shown the Swiss the two or three yellow cards they deserved in the first half, maybe the game would have gone differently. Of course, he also let Argentina play rough after that, but a rough game is in detriment of the team that actually wanted to score.

Defense in the last 5 minutes sucked, I'll give you that, although the referee ended the game 3 minutes later than he should (he is not supposed to let Switzerland take the free kick, only penalties prevent the game from ending after the time is due).

Ironically, I think this is the game Argentina played best so far, and still did not manage to win in the first 90 minutes like in the past 3 games. I am pretty confident we will beat Belgium anyway, those guys cannot defend.