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[2.71828.....]

Well, if we still have a night it won't be a perfect game anyway because that means we lynched scum.

It won't be a perfect game because we are about to go 3/3 on lynches

[Teproc]

I truly do think we are, too.

Well, if we still have a night it won't be a perfect game anyway because that means we lynched scum.

It won't be a perfect game because we are about to go 3/3 on lynches

I do think we are on our way to do this, unless liopoil is a mafia genius playing me / you mislynch me. These are seriously the two only ways I see us losing the game right now.

[liopoil]

two on ichimaru, because robz is bussing that means that we actually don't need lekkit's vote to lynch ichimaru gin.

somehow I doubt mafia will NK lekkit. e is clearly a better NK choice, and while it lets the game continue it gives mafia a disadvantage they did nothing to deserve.

[2.71828.....]

also, more reads:  I think the remaining scum are liopoil and Robz.  Robz brought up his fun little case against liopoil early, and Robz has admitted somewhere (speccy or other game or something) that early pressure on scum is a good thing.  Note that liopoil has recieved almost no pressure the rest of the game.  Note that Robz unvotes liopoil first once the wagon gets to L-2.  I do not think there is anything at all that prevents robz/liopoil from being on the same team

[2.71828.....]

two on ichimaru, because robz is bussing that means that we actually don't need lekkit's vote to lynch ichimaru gin.

somehow I doubt mafia will NK lekkit. e is clearly a better NK choice, and while it lets the game continue it gives mafia a disadvantage they did nothing to deserve.

yeah.  I know.  I was expecting to die tonight.  which is why I was planning on putting out reads.

[Teproc]

I don't either, but I do think Ichimaru and liopoil can't both be scum. Well they can, but I think it's the most unlikely pairing from my PoV.

Also liopoil's play has been quite townie all game.

[2.71828.....]

I don't either, but I do think Ichimaru and liopoil can't both be scum. Well they can, but I think it's the most unlikely pairing from my PoV.

Also liopoil's play has been quite townie all game.

so you think it is robz/yuma/ichi?

[Robz888]

I highly suggest mcmc lock the thread and confer with Galzria on what to do in this situation. We have to know what the Lekkit situation is before we proceed.

[Teproc]

@ Lekkit : I feel a little discouraged that you're asking me that, because I feel like I've been saying that ever since my reread early today. Well, I started unsure about who the third was between Ichimaru and liopoil, but the way they both played today made me more confident in Ichimaru being the third. To me we're taking a risk by lynching him before Robz or yuma, but it doesn't matter that much because if we lynched Robz and yuma, the endgame would be liopoil/Ichimaru/Me and I would have to make that same choice anyway.

@Robz : You're probably right.

[mcmcsalot]

Thread Locked

[mcmcsalot]

Updates To come at 12, Thread still locked.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 4.2

Not Voting (7): teproc, xeiron, 2.71828, yuma, ichimaru gin, liopoil, Robz888

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: Monday, January 27th at 12 noon

Lekkit has beed replaced with Xeiron, votes have been reset, and 14 hours have been added to account for the time between lekkit's /out and now.

[liopoil]

Great! So, Xeiron, you're sort of IC. You're also a hider who is never going to hide again. And you know e is town for sure. Also, Ichimaru Gin, Yuma, and Robz are the three scum, which one would you like to lynch first?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Liopoil.

[liopoil]

Liopoil.

Are you Xeiron?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Oh. Hold on, I didn't notice that you failed to put yourself on the list of likely scum.

PPE: No I just love answering other people's questions.

[liopoil]

Nono, that was a list of who the scum ARE.

Xeiron, if you're wondering how I know who the scum are, here's how:

There are three scum left. Players alive are:

Yuma: scumread
Robz: scumread
Ichimaru Gin: scumread
Teproc: townread
Liopoil: I know I'm town
2.7: must be town if xeiron is town, also, townread
xeiron: highly unlikely to be scum due to claim

So, yeah, POE. Plus reads, and it fits. Personally, I think we should lynch yuma or ichimaru first because if Teproc is scum than I think robz is the townie.

[Robz888]

Hi xeiron, what a weird thing to have to jump into.

Liopoil is correct, except I am not scum and Teproc is (I think).

[Ichimaru Gin]

How is it that everyone missed Robz trying to quickhammer me?

I know I haven't been the most active lately--school started up, so I have less time during the days I mentioned earlier.

But really. We need to be a little more systematic about this. I would at least like to see a post with a case on me. Otherwise, it's concerning to me for two reasons:

1. I know I'm town

2. The lynch we make today *needs* to be the right one. And lynching someone who doesn't even have a formal case against them--when it will cost town the game, is worrying.

PPE: 1

[Ichimaru Gin]

Nono, that was a list of who the scum ARE.

Xeiron, if you're wondering how I know who the scum are, here's how:

There are three scum left. Players alive are:

Yuma: scumread
Robz: scumread
Ichimaru Gin: scumread
Teproc: townread
Liopoil: I know I'm town
2.7: must be town if xeiron is town, also, townread
xeiron: highly unlikely to be scum due to claim

So, yeah, POE. Plus reads, and it fits. Personally, I think we should lynch yuma or ichimaru first because if Teproc is scum than I think robz is the townie.

Well what does this look like to someone whom you have a scumread on but is in fact town?

For one, you are acting awfully sure of yourself for not being an IC. We have no confirmation that you're town, yet you mention it a lot.
I think town would acknowledge the possibility of other people thinking they are scum, while scum would just continue to drive away that they're town.

I think Robz is scum, not as sure on Yuma.
Teproc may be your townread in order to get town-credit person. But for now I'm calling a
Robz/Teproc/Liopoil scumteam.

Oh, and on my last post, I actually missed lio's post as well as Robz, so it should have been PPE 2 for that one.

[Teproc]

Hey xeiron, thanks for replacing !

I'm sure you're gonna reread a little, but, long story short, I agree with liopoil. I think he's town, and that leaves me with a Robz/yuma/ichimaru scumteam by PoE. If liopoil isn't town, I think it's Ichimaru, but I'm willing to take the risk today if that's the way the ICs (you and 2.7) want to go (2.7 wants to lynch Ichimaru, I don't recall what his second choice would be, I think it's Robz or me ?).

[liopoil]

Well, all the other suspects except for you think I'm town... and really, I just don't care. I'll defend myself if it looks like I might be lynched, but it really doesn't look that way.

[yuma]

Well everyone is summarizing their thoughts for xerion (probably a good thing, but xeiron I think should take stock of his own impressions first and then look at what others have to say... I am hoping he already had some and won't need to do much rereading) I'll do the same.

See the rest of the post I quoted for how I arrived at some of those conclusions...

Conclusions:

I find Robz to fit as partners to everyone: teproc*, liopoil, ichimaru. I also have found his play to be scummy.

I find liopoil to be the towniest from play, but I can see him as partners with teproc, ichimaru and liopoil

Ichimaru I see as partners for liopoil and Robz, but not Teproc.

Teproc I see as partners for liopoil and Robz, but not Ichimaru.

So in the end I don't know if I really learned anything new. I think i just solidified that I think Robz is scum and that it would be extremely neglectful to not lynch him today. I don't know about the others unfortunately and fear that tomorrow and the next day may just end up being a crap shoot to hit the right two (although I think I am more confident about teproc than I am about liopoil or ichimaru based off some other stuff I want to mention in a later post as this one is getting long)


*most of my thoughts about teproc and robz are actually more based off earlier yesterday and today where teproc defended robz until basically a few hours ago... and day2 where robz defended teproc and instead pushed through the ashersky lynch.

[liopoil]

I quickly reread Teproc just now, because I realized I never actually did that, and found nothing to make me second-guess myself.

[xeiron]

I have been following the game pretty close since the start of D4, so I know where we are.
I have done a brief reread of the other days as well.

My impression from before subbing in was Robz, yuma and Ichimaru Gin as scum.
I am least sure about Ichimaru Gin, so I would prefer lynching one of the other two.