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[2.71828.....]

See, I think scum want to bus today for town cred, and I think that they discussed who they would target (if viable) in advance last night.  So Ichi gets mail-mi, mail-mi gets Teproc.  Something along those lines. 

I mean, whoever we lynch, we cannot give passes out because of when they voted or anything like that.  Scum have the advantage right now, and can afford to participate in lynching their own if that means we think they are town.

[Voltaire]

Right, scum will definitely bus today. I'm talking "weird" as in, when I re-read the thread thinking that is the team, it doesn't seem likely.

Which probably means it's the team.

[Teproc]

Why would scum know they'd have to bus last night ? The lynch pool was much larger at the start of the day than it is now.

Of course NOW they know they pretty much have to bus. But I doubt they planned it at all.

[Voltaire]

Why would scum know they'd have to bus last night ? The lynch pool was much larger at the start of the day than it is now.

Of course NOW they know they pretty much have to bus. But I doubt they planned it at all.

Yes, this. Scum came into today thinking they were golden.

[Voltaire]

If lio is truly town, and our ICs are truly town...

Day 1 Final Vote Count
2.7... (1): Robz
Eevee (3):  2.7..., faust, Teproc
liopoil (1): chairs
faust (7): ashersky, Lekkit, liopoil, Ichimaru Gin, yuma, Eevee, mail-mi
mail-mi (1): Voltaire

Day 2 Final Vote Count
ashersky (6): Robz, Voltaire, Lekkit, Liopoil, 2.71828, ashersky
Teproc (4): Ichimaru Gin, chairs, mail-mi, yuma

Not Voting (1): teproc

I think Teproc has to be town as well. Because this means that if Teproc were scum, scum never pushed the ash wagon when one developed on their scum partners. Do you see what I'm saying? Robz was on ash with me from the start of the day, before the Teproc wagon got going.

There are a lot of assumptions in this post, but I think if you make the first one the rest have to follow, more or less.

So this puts the scum in mail-mi/Robz/yuma/Ichi. That seems reasonable.

[Voltaire]

I think I am going to vote for mail-mi because he is scum in many of my scenarios, even ones where I am wrong about lio/Teproc etc.

[Voltaire]

Why would scum know they'd have to bus last night ? The lynch pool was much larger at the start of the day than it is now.

Of course NOW they know they pretty much have to bus. But I doubt they planned it at all.

Yes, this. Scum came into today thinking they were golden.

Which means there would be very little risk in lio risking creating an IC. Since this was before Lekkit.

Hmmm. I think my lio towncred is very flawed. Something like lio/Teproc/X is plausible, for example.

[Teproc]

Why would scum know they'd have to bus last night ? The lynch pool was much larger at the start of the day than it is now.

Of course NOW they know they pretty much have to bus. But I doubt they planned it at all.

Yes, this. Scum came into today thinking they were golden.

Which means there would be very little risk in lio risking creating an IC. Since this was before Lekkit.

I don't follow ?

[Voltaire]

I am clearly overthinking this now. vote: mail-mi and I'm done for today, unless I need to change my vote to someone else we like.

[Teproc]

Meaning : I don't understand what you're saying here. Why does liopoil looks scummy when considering scum didn't know about the reduced lynch pool going into day 3 ?

[Voltaire]

I don't follow ?

Coming into today, there were 9 alive (3 scum) and pretty much every single town member was a viable mislynch. So if lio is scum, there was little risk in maybe turning e into an IC with his flavor-catch if it also bought lio towncred. This all happened before Lekkit's claim, which was the game-changer that swung this game back towards town (I think/hope).

[Voltaire]

Meaning : I don't understand what you're saying here. Why does liopoil looks scummy when considering scum didn't know about the reduced lynch pool going into day 3 ?

He doesn't look scummy, I just think my giving him towncred was based on a flawed premise. He's much more null in reality than I have been thinking, I now believe.

[Voltaire]

I'm Xiaqiao. Town Hider. I've hid behind 2.7 and Voltaire. In that order. They are both town.

Okay. Between this and mod error, I think e is town now.

This is also mail-mi's reaction to the Lekkit claim. Just giving the towncred to e, not to Lekkit or myself.

[Robz888]

Okay, I have re-read.

Vote: Mail-mi, because he is the most scummy suspect, and because I am the alternative lynch.

[Teproc]

So, mail-mi reread.

Day 1 looks innocuous enough. I could copy/paste my notes on it but the only things that stood out were :

- some light buddying of me. It stops after day 1 though, maybe because he saw it wasn't working (he was my preferred lynch at the end of day 1 after I changed my mind about 2.7). In fact it doesn't only stop, his first mention of me day 2 is to mention I'm scummy for not posting as much. I'm not sure what it means as far as his alignement goes so meh.

- #685 : When Voltaire tries to rally support for a mail-mi lynch, he reminds people of Voltaire's bias against him and says town loses when they mislynch him. The latter is "semi-serious" which is also scummy. Being "semi-serious" is maybe fine at the very beginning of the game when the line between RVS and the actual game is blurry, but after that, you're either joking or making a point, not somewhere in between. Scum loves to maintain ambiguity like that, especially if it's to raise a very weak meta argument against his lynch like he did there. I just don't think town!mail-mi would have felt the need to bring this up with very little pressure on him. This is the post that made me want to lynch him on day 1, and it's still scummy now.

- His vote moves around a lot towards the end, before finally landing on faust. That's not particulalry scummy to me. His hammer on faust is a little weird because he previously stated that (paraphrasing here) faust lied and it was bad, but not scummy bad. It was very close to deadline though, and faust was going to be the lynch no matter what at that point.

Day 2 is where it gets more interesting though. He starts off by voting e, restating the reasons he had on day 1 (e's vote on chairs late day 1, which was pretty weird). He then sheeps yuma into voting me, which I would find scummy because I still don't entirely get that case, except chairs does the exact same thing in the post just above (#1363 and #1364 for reference).

What looks really bad though, is his last post of the day (#1427), which states that he is now fine with lynching ash. This after saying repeatedly that ash's certainty on day 1 was just normal town!ash. While he acknowledges that his opinion has changed, he downplays it by saying it changed "slightly". For reference :

The 23rd? Wow, I should post now. Im in the same boat as teproc with my caught up-ness.

Wel anyway.... Lynch order:

E>>>>>>>liopoil>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ash.

this is just normal ash.

Going from this to "fine with voting" is not a "slight" change by any stretch of the imagination.

vote: mail-mi

Not a real vote because we need time for Robz, Lekkit and mail-mi to post before we end the day, but I'm fine with a mail-mi lynch.

[Voltaire]

Okay, I have re-read.

Vote: Mail-mi, because he is the most scummy suspect, and because I am the alternative lynch.

Cool. That's hammer. Awesome.

[Teproc]

Uh, that was the hammer right ?

[Voltaire]

Lekkit, I hope you know what you're doing with your hiding. Fingers crossed on the flip.

[Voltaire]

Uh, that was the hammer right ?

And scummy as **** if mail-mi flips town, so hopefully it was Robz hammering his partner in an attempt at cred.

[Robz888]

Uh, that was the hammer right ?

And scummy as **** if mail-mi flips town, so hopefully it was Robz hammering his partner in an attempt at cred.

Don't I know it, but I can't really taker the chance that you change your mind and switch everyone to me. You've flip flopped already on that.

[Voltaire]

Uh, that was the hammer right ?

And scummy as **** if mail-mi flips town, so hopefully it was Robz hammering his partner in an attempt at cred.

Don't I know it, but I can't really taker the chance that you change your mind and switch everyone to me. You've flip flopped already on that.

If you're town, you did the right thing, yes.

[Robz888]

Yeah, I mean I'm banking on mail-mi flipping scum here, but that seems exceedingly likely.

[mcmcsalot]

Thread locked, will process flip at 5 after work.

[mcmcsalot]

Day Three Final Vote Count

teproc (1): mail-mi
Robz888 (1) Liopoil
mail-mi (5) Ichimaru Gin, 2.71828, yuma, Voltaire, Robz


Not Voting (2): teproc, Lekkit

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Mail-mi, The Great Gan Ning a Vanilla Townie has been slain!

[mcmcsalot]

Night 3 has begun and will last till January 15th at 8pm