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[Voltaire]

So Teproc is currently my top scum candidate, but that means we had town (ash) vs. scum (Teproc) wagons yesterday. I'm re-reading how those votes went down to see if that's plausible.

[Voltaire]

Problem is, mafia knows better than us. Assuming we don't have a Serial Killer, if they don't have a Bus Driver, they know they can fakeclaim whatever the hell they want. So massclaiming might be dangerous.

It forces them to decide if they're going to fakeclaim or not. If they know there are 2 other PRs out there, they have to deal with whether to fakeclaim and let us lynch amongst claimants, or not and let us lynch among VTs (there's WIFOM in each scenario, but the point is it would force them to make a choice).

It might not be the right call. But we're close enough to where we need to think about it.

[Teproc]

Well if there are 2 PRs out there I think massclaiming is the right call, but otherwise I don't think it is. Given that no one else has come forward, I'm thinking that no PRs is a little more likely.

And come on Voltaire, you know I'm not scum. I thought you could read me like a book or something to that effect ? What's the case against me again, that I'm hedgy and I unvoted after Ichimaru made a good case against me ?

[Voltaire]

And come on Voltaire, you know I'm not scum. I thought you could read me like a book or something to that effect ? What's the case against me again, that I'm hedgy and I unvoted after Ichimaru made a good case against me ?

Yup, I can, don't think I've ever been wrong about you so far. No, that's not my case against you. It's a gut feel I'll articulate after I'm done re-reading the middle/end of yesterday. I want to figure out if it's plausible you're scum since you were the other lynch candidate vs. ash. If that feels like 2 town wagons, I'll have taken someone else out of the lynch pool. That's what I'm hoping for, we'll see.

[Voltaire]

vote: liopoil as a happy placeholder. Still re-reading, this thread is massive. Good job there scum!

[Teproc]

Why are you voting liopoil as a placeholder if I'm your top scum read ?

[Voltaire]

Why are you voting liopoil as a placeholder if I'm your top scum read ?

Because I just read yuma's D2 case on him and I really like it.

[Voltaire]

Votes on Teproc
a history

Day 1: none
Day 2: Ichi, yuma, chairs, mail-mi

That's it.

mcmc, there are two Vote Count 2.6's. Can we get the second one changed to 2.7 like it should have been (or at least amended to 2.6.2 or something)? The second one was the last vote count of the day so this shouldn't mess anything up.

[Voltaire]

Day 1 Final Vote Count
2.7... (1): Robz
Eevee (3):  2.7..., faust, Teproc
liopoil (1): chairs
faust (7): ashersky, Lekkit, liopoil, Ichimaru Gin, yuma, Eevee, mail-mi
mail-mi (1): Voltaire

Day 2 Final Vote Count
ashersky (6): Robz, Voltaire, Lekkit, Liopoil, 2.71828, ashersky
Teproc (4): Ichimaru Gin, chairs, mail-mi, yuma

Not Voting (1): teproc

So what common links do we have?

Alive players on both lynches: Lekkit, liopoil
Alive players off both lynches: Teproc

[Voltaire]

Still not done re-reading but as of right now (this will probably change), sorting my lynch candidates I have:

Want to lynch: lio, Teproc
Would lynch: Robz, mail-mi
Don't want to lynch: yuma, Ichimaru
Won't lynch: Lekkit, e

[Teproc]

I don't know if you should have done this Volt.

I think ICs (and that's how I'm treating Volt, 2.7 and Lekkit going forward, for today at least) shouldn't be as open about their intentions because it makes it easier for scum to figure out who's lynchable and who's not.

[yuma]

I'm really sorry guys... this game like has a curse placed on it for me and my fam as we are all still sick (this is the third time! in a month). I think I'll be a bit more active than the last few times as I am currently in my off week at work, but that moment isn't right now. I was just getting on to check in on the game I am modding and then back to bed with either me or my wife (the other one gets to hold the sick baby!)

So I'll be back, hopefully today.

[Teproc]

By the way, something that makes Lekkit's claim particularly believeable is that there can only be one Hider in this setup, so it's a much riskier claim than, say, Tracker or Doctor, because you take the risk of being counterclaimed by the real Hider if he exists.

[Voltaire]

I don't know if you should have done this Volt.

I think ICs (and that's how I'm treating Volt, 2.7 and Lekkit going forward, for today at least) shouldn't be as open about their intentions because it makes it easier for scum to figure out who's lynchable and who's not.

So you are admitting the three of us are ICs now? I'm having trouble following your stances here. You'll note that I'm willing to lynch all 6 other players right now, just to varying degrees. I'm not even done re-reading yet, I'm sure that's going to shift. Generally ICs should hold back, yes.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 3.1

teproc (1): mail-mi
liopoil (1): Voltaire

Not Voting (7): teproc, Robz, Lekkit, Liopoil, 2.71828, Ichimaru Gin, yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: Thursday, January 15th at 8 pm

[Teproc]

How are my stances hard to follow ? I've been clear in my belief of Lekkit's claim, haven't I ?

[Voltaire]

How are my stances hard to follow ? I've been clear in my belief of Lekkit's claim, haven't I ?

I thought I detected hesitation in you.

This claim, if true, is scum's worst nightmare. All three of us were possible mislynch candidates today, now off the table. Scum has GOT to try to stop that from happening.

[Voltaire]

unvote. Forgot that lio did the whole "e's flavor" thing.

[Voltaire]

I think we should, at the very least, claim kingdoms (whether your flavor name is red or green). Mafia is blue so they have to lie.

Lekkit/myself should go last.

[Teproc]

Seems safe enough. I'm Wu, ie the red faction.

[liopoil]

I'm red faction too. At least, that's the color my PM is in. Not often you can admit to having a red PM in a game.

[Robz888]

I'm Kingdom of Wu, the red faction.

Lekkit's claim puts us back in the game... I think. We should not write him off as scum, though. I think he could have anticipated getting heat today--he was sort of the least scrutinized player--and planned to do this claim, probably along with ONE of his partners. (With zero of his partners would be pretty bad for the team, with TWO of the partners very nice if it pays off but probably risky.) With one, you know you're very likely to get the oher guy, a townie, on your side.  I could see scum!Lekkit doing this if his partner is one of Voltaire/2.7 and then like, the least likely person to be lynched from the other pool, maybe yuma.

Well, okay, this would mean Voltaire or 2.7 would be scum. I do think 2.7 seems less likely to be scum because of the mod error, though, and Voltaire has been my strongest town read.

I mean, if Lekkit is scum, this move just won the game. But we might be in the position where we can't really afford to play like that's what happened, if we think it's the less likely thing. It's probably the less likely thing.

Okay, who does this leave? Yuma, mail-mi, Teproc, Ichimaru, liopoil... What a nicely smaller pool.

[Voltaire]

And Teproc makes a good point that claiming Hider is incredibly risky, relative to other claims. And if Lekkit is lying, scum knows town has at least 1 more real PR out there, maybe 3 more.

Yeah, for today, we need to believe the claim 100% I am convinced.

[Robz888]

I think that's probably what we should do, but if you and Lekkit were scum partners that's exactly what you'd say, you know.

[Voltaire]

I think that's probably what we should do, but if you and Lekkit were scum partners that's exactly what you'd say, you know.

Yup. I agree with you.