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[liopoil]

Ash better flip scum

[Ichimaru Gin]

Why do you think he didn't claim?
I sense a great amount of frustration from him. But if he's town, I just don't see why he wouldn't claim when it was so close.

Is Derphammering when you self hammer?

[Voltaire]

I think (hope) that ash is frustrated caught scum who realized that even if he voted Teproc, unless someone else moves he's going to be the lynch. Rather then let town gain additional information in who cast the hammer/force one of his buddies to hammer him for awkward towncred, he hammered himself. That all seems in line with what scum!ash would do.

Because I can think of 0 town narratives that make sense.

Like, why the heck should we trust his reads, him of the faust=100% scum diatribes?

[Teproc]

He didn't claim because there's no way he wasn't getting lynched I think. Well, maybe a PR claim would have gotten me lynched instead but if he's VT that doesn't work of course. His self-hammering makes me think (and hope) he's scum just preventing us from getting extra wagon analysis.

[Voltaire]

Is Derphammering when you self hammer?

Technically, derphammering refers to accidentally casting a hammer (usually due to confusion about the vote count).

I think self-voting is almost always a derp.

[chairs]

Chairs, why did you target ash? ash, don't neccessarily counter if you did target someone, there could be a bus driver.

He seemed to be vaguely hinting PR, I figured if he targeted somebody and didn't have that person die at night we had a really good chance he was town.

[liopoil]

I can think of 0 town narratives that make sense.

unfortunately, this means nothing 

Like, why the heck should we trust his reads, him of the faust=100% scum diatribes?

also faust's dying words were for us to lynch ashersky... so if ash is town, then that's a reason not to trust the reads of dead townies.

[ashersky]

I can think of 0 town narratives that make sense.

unfortunately, this means nothing 

Like, why the heck should we trust his reads, him of the faust=100% scum diatribes?

also faust's dying words were for us to lynch ashersky... so if ash is town, then that's a reason not to trust the reads of dead townies.

Check out lio trying to taint my words for tomorrow.

[2.71828.....]

I can think of 0 town narratives that make sense.

unfortunately, this means nothing 

Like, why the heck should we trust his reads, him of the faust=100% scum diatribes?

also faust's dying words were for us to lynch ashersky... so if ash is town, then that's a reason not to trust the reads of dead townies.

Check out lio trying to taint my words for tomorrow.

Which we will take into consideration if you do indeed flip town

[Voltaire]

Check out lio trying to taint my words for tomorrow.

You just never stop, do you? If you're town, I will listen to nothing you have said because you have scummed up, like, everyone you've ever talked about.

[Ichimaru Gin]

It's funny that the only people Ash says are scum were either on his wagon, or me--who was threatening to hammer.

[liopoil]

I can think of 0 town narratives that make sense.

unfortunately, this means nothing 

Like, why the heck should we trust his reads, him of the faust=100% scum diatribes?

also faust's dying words were for us to lynch ashersky... so if ash is town, then that's a reason not to trust the reads of dead townies.

Check out lio trying to taint my words for tomorrow.

reminds me of ash in mean girls on D3 when his lynch was inevitable. I'm feeling hopeful

[ashersky]

99% sure I was the lynch anyway.  Self hammer does:

1) takes away the deadline hammer for town cred option away from scum
2) protects teproc, who I believe is town

Volt and Robz tunneled me hard together all game.  Remember that.

[ashersky]

Check out lio trying to taint my words for tomorrow.

You just never stop, do you? If you're town, I will listen to nothing you have said because you have scummed up, like, everyone you've ever talked about.

Obvscum.

[Robz888]

Ash, no one tunneled you as hard as you yourself tunneled A) faust, and B) those who criticize you.

Better be scum.

[ashersky]

Chairs, why did you target ash? ash, don't neccessarily counter if you did target someone, there could be a bus driver.

He seemed to be vaguely hinting PR, I figured if he targeted somebody and didn't have that person die at night we had a really good chance he was town.

You are correct in your thinking.  Just shouldn't have claimed.

How funny would it be if I was vengeful?  There's a good reason to "scum it up."

[ashersky]

Ash, no one tunneled you as hard as you yourself tunneled A) faust, and B) those who criticize you.

Better be scum.

Incorrect.  I did tunnel Faust.  Epic tunnel.

However, no one criticized me all game, so I didn't tunnel anyone for doing so.

[Voltaire]

2) protects teproc, who I believe is town

If you flip VT, I guess I'll give you that. Doesn't outweigh everything else.

Trust me, I've noticed Robz being reasonable and helpful. I'm wondering now. But I want your flip first.

[Voltaire]

How funny would it be if I was vengeful?  There's a good reason to "scum it up."

No, not really. I trust town's collective reads (even when they're biased by scum) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than your reads this game.

[liopoil]

2) protects teproc, who I believe is town

If you flip VT, I guess I'll give you that. Doesn't outweigh everything else.

nahhh, don't give him anything.

[2.71828.....]

Ash, no one tunneled you as hard as you yourself tunneled A) faust, and B) those who criticize you.

Better be scum.

Incorrect.  I did tunnel Faust.  Epic tunnel.

However, no one criticized me all game, so I didn't tunnel anyone for doing so.

I wouldn't call it an epic tunnel.  All you did was say Faust is 100% scum.  I am the one who actually built anything resembling a case.  You just stuck on that case even after I left it.  The only reason Faust got lynched was because of Faust.

[Robz888]

2) protects teproc, who I believe is town

Trust me, I've noticed Robz being reasonable and helpful. I'm wondering now. But I want your flip first.

I can say the same about you, though.

[Voltaire]

I wouldn't call it an epic tunnel.  All you did was say Faust is 100% scum.  I am the one who actually built anything resembling a case.  You just stuck on that case even after I left it.

You just defined "tunnel".

[mcmcsalot]

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[mcmcsalot]

Final Vote Count

ashersky (6): Robz, Voltaire, Lekkit, Liopoil, 2.71828, ashersky
Teproc (4): Ichimaru Gin, chairs, mail-mi, yuma

Not Voting (1): teproc

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Night 2 has begun Day 3 begins on January 4th at 6pm

Ashersky was Zhuge Liang (Zhang Fei), a Vanilla Townie