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[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 2.3

2.7... (2): mail-mi, chairs
ashersky (3): Robz, Voltaire, yuma
chairs (2): 2.7..., Teproc
Ichimaru Gin (2): Lekkit, ashersky


Not Voting (2): liopoil, Ichimaru Gin

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Thursday, January 2nd at 6 pm. To account for holidays

[chairs]

Ok then. I think the best odds of finding scum right now is chairs. Of course scum might have been framing him by going PR-hunting, but it's not like Eevee was a surefire PR or anything, he had expressed disliking day 1s before and could easily have been a VT. He also seemed scummy to a lot of people, so by killing him, mafia also lost a potential mislynch if he was VT. This leads me to think that the probability of chairs being scum is much higher than the probability of a scumteam trying to frame him.

vote: chairs

As someone who is 100% sure I'm town, I can only assume that scum believe one of the following:

1) I will use my PR poorly/my PR is weak and they needn't bother killing me.
2) I will be mislynched today because of their kill choice last night, ensuring both a kill and another mislynch.
3) I'm not actually a PR, just a VT trying to gambit my way into looking PR-ish.

Obviously I know whether or not I'm really a PR, and I know I'm town.  If I'm a PR, and I had anything beneficial related to my PR to provide to town, clearly I would do so.

[Ichimaru Gin]

well I guess I'll note that I will be pretty absent as well although if everyone is absent I guess no one will notice... probably won't post much at all tomorrow, nothing Wednesday and very little again on Thursday...

Are the mods considering adding two days to the deadline? If not can I request that they consider it?

Yeah. Same here.

[mcmcsalot]

well I guess I'll note that I will be pretty absent as well although if everyone is absent I guess no one will notice... probably won't post much at all tomorrow, nothing Wednesday and very little again on Thursday...

Are the mods considering adding two days to the deadline? If not can I request that they consider it?

Yeah. Same here.

I have added two days to the deadline for that.

[2.71828.....]

I will get Faust done sometime late tonight/tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.

So I really thought I would get this done yesterday or even today, but I am pushing it off again.  I will go back and examine that lynch and see what similarities/differences it has with the Eevee wagon and what I think we can infer from that.  However, that is not a task for right now, as I need to sleep.  We still have a week before the new deadline

[2.71828.....]

/255 - Ashersky's "absolutely certain Faust is scum" vote.
/447 - 2.7 at the end of a reads post.
/753 - Ashersky reinforces his Faust vote
/785 - Lekkit votes Faust when Faust was not a popular lynch target.  (before the claim stuff)
/871 - 2.7 goes back to Faust after the claim
/914 - liopoil votes Faust because of the claim
/927 - Ichimaru votes Faust because of the claim and because he wants to get a lynch in.
/958 - yuma votes Faust and puts him at L-2 even though he thought it was L-1 (I had unvoted).  He states that the other lynch candidates (eevee, mail-mi, and liopoil) had all kind of fizzled off and so this seems like a "we need a lynch lets get something done" vote.  He does provide extra reasoning with a conclusion that Faust is not telling the truth about the claim
/993 - Robz energetically votes Faust (repeats vote: Faust 9 times) after Faust said he was lying about his claim.  Puts him at L-1 (unvotes shortly after to wait for more reads)
/1042 - Faust self-votes himself to L-1 (quickly changes to Eevee)
/1069 - Eevee votes Faust citing self-preservation.
/1093 - mail-mi hammers.

People who voted Faust (in order):  Ashersky, 2.7, Lekkit, liopoil, Ichimaru, Yuma, Robz, Faust, Eevee, mail-mi

This wagon has three phases:
Phase 1: pre-claim.  Ashersky, 2.7, and Lekkit are the only three who vote Faust at this time.  During my play D1 I found this really interesting.  It was a super slow D1, and (basically) no one was willing to jump onto the wagon with Ash and myself.  Why is that?  People voted others for less developed cases.  My thought is that Ash was so fixed on Faust that it created a distaste for the wagon, and people did not want to be found agreeing with Ash when they thought his behavior was a little strange.  I mean, I was tied to Ashersky a bit here and I felt like there were times when it was me and Ash vs everyone else (in regard to the Faust claim).  So I just think that no one else really wanted to be associated with that kind of certainty and thus even if they might have seen something in the case, they were thrown off by Ash's certainty.  (I could be wrong, but that is how I saw it)

Phase 2: Post-claim.  2.7, liopoil, Ichimaru, and yuma all vote Faust because of the claim.  It was an interesting claim that mainly made people suspect Faust more.

Phase 3: Post-I-lied-about-the-claim.  Robz immediately jumps on Faust.  Then Eevee and mail-mi finally hammers. 

I don't have the time to really think about what all this means right now.  I pieced this together throughout the day as I had time, and it is almost dinner now but I just wanted to get this out

[ashersky]

I think you neglected Phase 0: ash is 100% convinced Faust is scum.

That was before anyone else, even you, had anything on him.

[Voltaire]

I think you neglected Phase 0: ash is 100% convinced Faust is scum.

That was before anyone else, even you, had anything on him.

And why would you do that, as town? You know better. You acted as though you were a N0 cop with a scum result.

[ashersky]

I think you neglected Phase 0: ash is 100% convinced Faust is scum.

That was before anyone else, even you, had anything on him.

And why would you do that, as town? You know better. You acted as though you were a N0 cop with a scum result.

I was very sure.  Faust was, in fact, 100% scummy, even going to the point of fake claiming.  Why would he play like scum on purpose?  Maybe he didn't like rolling VT.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I think you neglected Phase 0: ash is 100% convinced Faust is scum.

That was before anyone else, even you, had anything on him.

And why would you do that, as town? You know better. You acted as though you were a N0 cop with a scum result.

I was very sure.  Faust was, in fact, 100% scummy, even going to the point of fake claiming.  Why would he play like scum on purpose?  Maybe he didn't like rolling VT.

But wasn't your sureness before all of that happened?

[ashersky]

I think you neglected Phase 0: ash is 100% convinced Faust is scum.

That was before anyone else, even you, had anything on him.

And why would you do that, as town? You know better. You acted as though you were a N0 cop with a scum result.

I was very sure.  Faust was, in fact, 100% scummy, even going to the point of fake claiming.  Why would he play like scum on purpose?  Maybe he didn't like rolling VT.

But wasn't your sureness before all of that happened?

No, we were all assigned roles before the game started.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I think you neglected Phase 0: ash is 100% convinced Faust is scum.

That was before anyone else, even you, had anything on him.

And why would you do that, as town? You know better. You acted as though you were a N0 cop with a scum result.

I was very sure.  Faust was, in fact, 100% scummy, even going to the point of fake claiming.  Why would he play like scum on purpose?  Maybe he didn't like rolling VT.

But wasn't your sureness before all of that happened?

No, we were all assigned roles before the game started.

I know there's a sarcastic joke in here, but I honestly don't understand it. Are you taking what I said to refer to the time before N0? Cause I was referring to your comment about Faust fake-claiming.

[ashersky]

My strong read was formed well-before the fake claim.  It was based on Faust's first (or close to first) post in the game.

Why are we continuing to argue over Faust's alignment anyway?

Am I voting anyone?

vote: voltaire for tunneling me without cause.

[Voltaire]

vote: voltaire for tunneling me without cause.

Without cause? There is no town narrative for you, and you've attempted to distort the facts about every vote on you and the timing/reasoning for your faust read/actions. That's plenty cause.

[ashersky]

vote: voltaire for tunneling me without cause.

Without cause? There is no town narrative for you, and you've attempted to distort the facts about every vote on you and the timing/reasoning for your faust read/actions. That's plenty cause.

Town Volt is usually right, though.  You are wrong here, so more likely scum (or mistaken town, I guess, but that rarely happens to you.)

[Voltaire]

vote: voltaire for tunneling me without cause.

Without cause? There is no town narrative for you, and you've attempted to distort the facts about every vote on you and the timing/reasoning for your faust read/actions. That's plenty cause.

Town Volt is usually right, though.  You are wrong here, so more likely scum (or mistaken town, I guess, but that rarely happens to you.)

So, are you agreeing with me about your actions?

The "town!Volt is awesome" case is still not a case. Only ever been advanced by scum.

[ashersky]

vote: voltaire for tunneling me without cause.

Without cause? There is no town narrative for you, and you've attempted to distort the facts about every vote on you and the timing/reasoning for your faust read/actions. That's plenty cause.

Town Volt is usually right, though.  You are wrong here, so more likely scum (or mistaken town, I guess, but that rarely happens to you.)

So, are you agreeing with me about your actions?

The "town!Volt is awesome" case is still not a case. Only ever been advanced by scum.

Lynch me and find out, dude.

My actions can be painted as scummy, absolutely.  In some universes, they in fact would be scummy.  Doesn't make me scum, just as it turned out Faust was town, unless BM.

[Voltaire]

Lynch me and find out, dude.

My actions can be painted as scummy, absolutely.  In some universes, they in fact would be scummy.  Doesn't make me scum, just as it turned out Faust was town, unless BM.

I'm voting for you, dude.

So you admit there's no town narrative for what you've done?

[yuma]

As noted in the VLA thread I have been pretty sick (again...) and am behind in this game. I won't be catching up for a day or two, but with the deadline moved hopefully that will be ok....

If someone wants to summarize everything that has happened since I last posted that would be swell, but I dont' think a lot has because of the holidays.

I noted that ash has unvoted himself, so I will unvote as well.

[ashersky]

Lynch me and find out, dude.

My actions can be painted as scummy, absolutely.  In some universes, they in fact would be scummy.  Doesn't make me scum, just as it turned out Faust was town, unless BM.

I'm voting for you, dude.

So you admit there's no town narrative for what you've done?

I do not.  Ism town, I did it.  Ergo, there is a "town narrative" for it.

What is your fascination with town narrative, anyway?  You must know by now that idea doesn't apply to me (or Robz, for example), anyway.  I do what I do, no matter my alignment, if I think it helps me win.

[yuma]

I know I am not one to speak here, but I am at least trying to get back into the game. In the meantime can we get prods on the following players (unless they have a specific VLA, I haven't checked for them specifically) and I'll check the VLA thread cause I'll feel bad if everyone here has a valid excuse

2. Robz888 - hasn't posted since the 23rd. (has a semi-VLA through tomorrow)
3. mail-mi - hasn't posted since the 23rd (VLA through 25th)
4. Chairs - hasn't posted since the 24th. (couldn't find a VLA)
8. Lekkit - hasn't posted since the 23rd. (VLA through the 25th)
9. Liopoil - hasn't posted since the 23rd. (couldn't find a VLA)
10. Teproc - hasn't posted since the 23rd. (has a VLA through the 25th)

Morale of the story is that no one is posting, myself included to an extent and we need to get back to business here. Not specifically finger pointing because everyone has been gone more or less, but just because there hasn't been content doesn't mean it isn't time to start generating some.

And I am back to vote: liopoil. He is probably the person that should have been lynched yesterday and I don't see a reason why he wasn't except that faust totally distracted us from what we should have been doing.

[Voltaire]

I will be more into this game starting Monday, hopefully that is ok.

I'll vote lio if I can't convince everyone on ash.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I'm going to have to review a lot of stuff. But I'll definitely be more active Monday as well.
I'm warming up to the Ash lynch a little bit. . .We'll see. I'd like to hear from all the players Yuma listed.

[2.71828.....]

My schedule the rest of the day:

I will be gone tomorrow (travelling back home from my parent's for the holidays).  I should be able to do some analysis and get reads done Sunday and Monday, but then I will be gone again Tuesday (31st) and most of Wednesday (1st).  I will be back late Wednesday night/Thursday to get things done that day before the deadline at 6:00 Thursday

[Robz888]

I should have more time for this game now that I am dead in Chocolate Factory. Anyway there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to comment on. I'm voting for ash and don't see why I would vote for anyone else. I think he's scum who was planning to hide behind a too-crazy case on Faust, and then Faust went insane and ruined it.

Well, admittedly, not helping matters is that I just plain don't remember anything else happening in this game. What's the case against liopoil?