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[Robz888]

oh yeah, ashersky, why did you claim to be 100% sure?

I had a strong read that I trusted.  I've rarely been more sure of something in a mafia game.  And, well, he was lying.  That basically proves me right.

His alignment didn't match his behavior or his actions.  I still stand by my read that he was 100% scummy.  Just turned out he was playing against his wincon.

No. No no no. You expressed the 100% confidence read BEFORE faust lied about his role. Let's not rewrite history here. What did he do that made you so confident in the first place, before all that?

[Robz888]

Vote: ashersky until he gives some explanation that accounts for his 100% scum read on faust, without resorting to the excuse of faust's fake claim. That's not valid for you; you were confident BEFORE the fake claim.

[liopoil]

oh yeah, ashersky, why did you claim to be 100% sure?

I had a strong read that I trusted.  I've rarely been more sure of something in a mafia game.  And, well, he was lying.  That basically proves me right.

His alignment didn't match his behavior or his actions.  I still stand by my read that he was 100% scummy.  Just turned out he was playing against his wincon.

100% scummy doesn't mean 100% certain. you do realize that if you were actually 100% certain about something a million times, then you would be correct a million times? not 999,999 times! because faust flipped town, you either weren't really 100% certain, or you are scum.

[ashersky]

Vote: ashersky until he gives some explanation that accounts for his 100% scum read on faust, without resorting to the excuse of faust's fake claim. That's not valid for you; you were confident BEFORE the fake claim.

vote: Robz

OMGUS, plus, he's alive.  Town!Robz does NOT live to D2.

[Robz888]

Vote: ashersky until he gives some explanation that accounts for his 100% scum read on faust, without resorting to the excuse of faust's fake claim. That's not valid for you; you were confident BEFORE the fake claim.

vote: Robz

OMGUS, plus, he's alive.  Town!Robz does NOT live to D2.

Except dozens of times. Why don't you just answer the question?

[ashersky]

oh yeah, ashersky, why did you claim to be 100% sure?

I had a strong read that I trusted.  I've rarely been more sure of something in a mafia game.  And, well, he was lying.  That basically proves me right.

His alignment didn't match his behavior or his actions.  I still stand by my read that he was 100% scummy.  Just turned out he was playing against his wincon.

100% scummy doesn't mean 100% certain. you do realize that if you were actually 100% certain about something a million times, then you would be correct a million times? not 999,999 times! because faust flipped town, you either weren't really 100% certain, or you are scum.

Have you never been 100% certain of something, and then you turned out to be wrong?  That doesn't change the fact that you thought you were 100% certain.

There's a difference between certainty and accuracy.  Go read RSP to see plenty of people 100% certain something is true, even when it isn't provable with a flip (although I guess when you die, you find out).

[ashersky]

Vote: ashersky until he gives some explanation that accounts for his 100% scum read on faust, without resorting to the excuse of faust's fake claim. That's not valid for you; you were confident BEFORE the fake claim.

vote: Robz

OMGUS, plus, he's alive.  Town!Robz does NOT live to D2.

Except dozens of times. Why don't you just answer the question?

What question?  I was 100% certain Faust was scum.  Turns out I was wrong.  That does not change the fact that I was 100% certain.  I wasn't 100% accurate, obviously.

I had a huge scum read on the guy the entire day.  He clearly descended into madness, which just added to it.  He WAS scummy, before and after the lie.  The lie just solidified it for everyone else.  I already knew.

Again, turned out I was wrong.  Not the first time.

[liopoil]

oh yeah, ashersky, why did you claim to be 100% sure?

I had a strong read that I trusted.  I've rarely been more sure of something in a mafia game.  And, well, he was lying.  That basically proves me right.

His alignment didn't match his behavior or his actions.  I still stand by my read that he was 100% scummy.  Just turned out he was playing against his wincon.

100% scummy doesn't mean 100% certain. you do realize that if you were actually 100% certain about something a million times, then you would be correct a million times? not 999,999 times! because faust flipped town, you either weren't really 100% certain, or you are scum.

Have you never been 100% certain of something, and then you turned out to be wrong?  That doesn't change the fact that you thought you were 100% certain.

There's a difference between certainty and accuracy.  Go read RSP to see plenty of people 100% certain something is true, even when it isn't provable with a flip (although I guess when you die, you find out).

Nope, I've never been 100% certain about anything really...

[ashersky]

Nope, I've never been 100% certain about anything really...

Um, okay then?  I don't know what to say to that.  You've never been sure 100% sure that your parents are really your parents, or that any number multiplied by zero is zero (I'm assuming there's a math edgecase to this...), or that you and that high school girlfriend were going to be together forever?

[Robz888]

Vote: ashersky until he gives some explanation that accounts for his 100% scum read on faust, without resorting to the excuse of faust's fake claim. That's not valid for you; you were confident BEFORE the fake claim.

vote: Robz

OMGUS, plus, he's alive.  Town!Robz does NOT live to D2.

Except dozens of times. Why don't you just answer the question?

What question?  I was 100% certain Faust was scum.  Turns out I was wrong.  That does not change the fact that I was 100% certain.  I wasn't 100% accurate, obviously.

I had a huge scum read on the guy the entire day.  He clearly descended into madness, which just added to it.  He WAS scummy, before and after the lie.  The lie just solidified it for everyone else.  I already knew.

Again, turned out I was wrong.  Not the first time.

You're avoiding the question! WHY were you 100% certain about faust?

[Voltaire]

Vote: ashersky until he gives some explanation that accounts for his 100% scum read on faust, without resorting to the excuse of faust's fake claim. That's not valid for you; you were confident BEFORE the fake claim.

vote: ashersky because this, and also his OMGUS on Robz (an attempt to discredit a vote on him - pretty sure he did this D1 too).

I think ash is scum who is trying to create as much chaos as possible.

[ashersky]

vote: ashersky

No one listens, and I'm annoyed.  I'd rather you lynch me than not.

[ashersky]

You're avoiding the question! WHY were you 100% certain about faust?

He was scummy.  I picked up on it.  I laid out my case multiple times on D1.

[Voltaire]

Except what you pointed out is not something town does, which I pointed out.

[liopoil]

Nope, I've never been 100% certain about anything really...

Um, okay then?  I don't know what to say to that.  You've never been sure 100% sure that your parents are really your parents, or that any number multiplied by zero is zero (I'm assuming there's a math edgecase to this...), or that you and that high school girlfriend were going to be together forever?

sure, there's always a barely non-zero chance aliens are infiltrating my brain or something ridiculous like that.

You're avoiding the question! WHY were you 100% certain about faust?

He was scummy.  I picked up on it.  I laid out my case multiple times on D1.

pretty sure the point is why you thought the case was good enough to be so certain. We all saw the same things you did, none of us reacted anywhere close to the way you did.

[Voltaire]

Except what you pointed out is not something town does, which I pointed out.

Oh pthpth. Not something scum does.

[Robz888]

vote: ashersky

No one listens, and I'm annoyed.  I'd rather you lynch me than not.

We listened! We actually lynched the person you wanted, and that didn't work. I have no problem with you being wrong. Town!you has strong early reads that turn out wrong all the time.

But you can't even tell why you thought the way you thought. So how is this not scum ash trying to get away with a poor imitation of his usual shtick?

[liopoil]

yeah, usually when ashersky does the crazy town!ash thing I get the sense that it's crazy town!ash doing it. Not this time. And robz I think also reads ashersky well, especially when ash is town. I'm ready to vote for ashersky, but it's early in the day, I don't even want to put him at L-2. I don't think everyone has even posted yet, we might have a guilty result on someone or the like.

[mail-mi]

You're avoiding the question! WHY were you 100% certain about faust?

He was scummy.  I picked up on it.  I laid out my case multiple times on D1.

How was he scummy?

[ashersky]

yeah, usually when ashersky does the crazy town!ash thing I get the sense that it's crazy town!ash doing it. Not this time. And robz I think also reads ashersky well, especially when ash is town. I'm ready to vote for ashersky, but it's early in the day, I don't even want to put him at L-2. I don't think everyone has even posted yet, we might have a guilty result on someone or the like.

I think you should follow your cold heart and vote.  You think your parents might be aliens.  That's harsh.

[ashersky]

You're avoiding the question! WHY were you 100% certain about faust?

He was scummy.  I picked up on it.  I laid out my case multiple times on D1.

How was he scummy?

Really, I need to go back to my D1 posts and quote them?

He was looking for the easy mislynch, he reacted badly to pressure, he tried to shift conversations in the middle of topics, and then he lied about his role to try and "trap" someone, but really just could have resulted in outing a real town PR.

If the goal of D2 is to mislynch again, mislynch me.  I was adamantly convinced that faust was scum.  It was based on all of his posts, all of his words, all of his ideas.  Then it was based on his fake claim, which I and many others correctly pointed out as fake.  If you can't accept any of that, then lynch me out of the game.

[mail-mi]

You're avoiding the question! WHY were you 100% certain about faust?

He was scummy.  I picked up on it.  I laid out my case multiple times on D1.

How was he scummy?

Really, I need to go back to my D1 posts and quote them?

He was looking for the easy mislynch, he reacted badly to pressure, he tried to shift conversations in the middle of topics, and then he lied about his role to try and "trap" someone, but really just could have resulted in outing a real town PR.

If the goal of D2 is to mislynch again, mislynch me.  I was adamantly convinced that faust was scum.  It was based on all of his posts, all of his words, all of his ideas.  Then it was based on his fake claim, which I and many others correctly pointed out as fake.  If you can't accept any of that, then lynch me out of the game.

Thank you.

Now let's lynch e

[Ichimaru Gin]

Thank you.

Now let's lynch e

I'm down for that. I'm still not sure what to make of Ash, as I feel that he has a very strong meta which I don't fully understand. Still, his complete confidence that Faust was scum--even at a point when there wasn't much information to support the idea, is scummy considering the flip. I didn't get his early push to lynch Faust at all. Later, Faust was almost asking to be lynched--but Ash was pushing things way before then.

For now, I'm going to vote: e. He seemed overaware of Eevee's death. And indirectly "taking responsibility" for it just feels scummy to me as well. His failure to Hammer when he had the chance (and was himself in danger of getting lynched) feels like a ploy to get town credit as well.

[ashersky]

Vote Count ash.2.2

第二天[/color]

2.7... (5): mail-mi, chairs, liopoil, Ichimaru, ashersky
mail-mi (1): yuma
ashersky (2): Robz888, Voltaire

Not Voting (0): Lekkit, 2.7..., Teproc



vote: 2.7.  This is L-1.  That should get this game kickstarted.

[liopoil]

Vote: ashersky then, since he now only has 2 votes and I don't like E at L-1, though I have a scumread on him too.