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[Teproc]

Faust (5) : ashersky, Lekkit, liopoil, Ichimaru, yuma
Eevee (3) : 2.7, Voltaire, faust
liopoil (2) : Eevee, chairs
2.7 (1) : mail-mi

Not voting (2) : Teproc, Robz

[Teproc]

I'm fine with an Eevee lynch. His play here is very similar to GoT and Toy Story. I'd prefer to lynch mail-mi, but Eevee is good too.

vote: Eevee

[Robz888]

Oh, I mean to be voting for 2.7 Vote: 2.7

[Voltaire]

I'm fine with an Eevee lynch. His play here is very similar to GoT and Toy Story. I'd prefer to lynch mail-mi, but Eevee is good too.

vote: Eevee

Oh! Want to try to convince people on mail-mi? vote: mail-mi.

Oh, I mean to be voting for 2.7 Vote: 2.7

Robz what do you make of

e trying to start an Eevee wagon when it looked like faust was an easy lynch is making me doubt he's scum.

[Robz888]

Robz, which part of my Faust stance post claim did you find most scummy?

The part I singled out when I first voted for you.

[Teproc]

Well I can switch to vote: mail-mi, but I don't think the support is there. Might as well try I guess. His vote on chairs is scummy as well as his "Voltaire always tries to lynch me" defense, which is verifiably false as well as being generally scummy.

[Teproc]

Faust (5) : ashersky, Lekkit, liopoil, Ichimaru, yuma
Eevee (2) : 2.7, faust
mail-mi (2): Voltaire, Teproc
liopoil (2) : Eevee, chairs
2.7 (2) : mail-mi, Robz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[2.71828.....]

could someone please quickly summarize the case on mail-mi.  I will do the same for eevee

[faust]

The Case on mail-mi, or Why We Really Should Lynch Him D1 This Time

unvote for sure. Chairs is 99% town I am thinking.

vote: Voltaire too many town reads so early in the game.

Since when is this scummy/a reason to vote someone?

vote: Voltaire rage vote. I hate hate hate "secret cases" even if they're "secret town slips." Remember the last time someone did this ? Yeah, they were scum.

Since when does mail-mi rage vote?

Oh scum totally tries gutsy plans. All the time.

*squints* Really? D1? Really? Cite examples.

The one that you brought up: Ash&co. in RMM9 (Jimmmm's game) being all on or all off.

That's completely different from a plan to misunderstand the setup D1. That's what we're talking about. Early D1 individual plans.

Okay, I can't think of any specific examples. But i am not going to discredit scum being gutsy on D1. It is very possible.

Statement with no evidence.

He then does his sheeping, of not lynching chairs, of giving yuma a D1 pass, of plan-less ash, of the case on faust, of the case on lio.

He then has the post where he states I have a bias against him (admittedly true) and claims that town will lose if we lynch him, statistically. I'll let yuma take it from here:

and I think bringing up the metastat of mail-mi not being alive at the end of the game is scummy... I don't think these games offer a large enough sampling size nor a reliable enough set of variables to draw any conclusions from in this area... unless you are trying to manipulate people into thinking a certain set of conclusions...

After being called out, mail-mi claims he was only semi-serious! This is the second time he has done this, after claiming his first vote on me (way back at the top of this post) was semi-serious.

I would like everyone to re-read mail-mi.

I would like everyone (who has played with him before) to ask themselves, "is this how town!mail-mi acts?"

I would like everyone (especially Robz) to consider how we always let mail-mi live, and what that means.

Before I've read anything else

I would like everyone to remember Volt's bias against me. (this is serious)

I would like everyone to read this: YES.

I would like everyone to realize that if mail-mi isn't alive at the end of the game and is town, town loses. (yes this is also semi-serious. Stats say that if you mislynch me, you lose. Look at the games I'm in.)

I think I only bring up biases when I'm scum.

and I think bringing up the metastat of mail-mi not being alive at the end of the game is scummy... I don't think these games offer a large enough sampling size nor a reliable enough set of variables to draw any conclusions from in this area... unless you are trying to manipulate people into thinking a certain set of conclusions...

Bolded that for you.

Then he votes chairs anyway, despite his previous sheeping of the "chairs is probably a PR". 

So, I think mail-mi is committing the scum tell of "oh crap, that thing I did was scummy - I was just kidding!" in addition to the fact that he has a general anti-town meta. This lets him live for a very long time, because players (like me in the past) keep saying "lynch mafia not scum" and he gets to skate by. mail-mi has also resorted to irrelevant-to-the-game defenses (like the stats).

The following players have voted mail-mi, stated a willingness to vote mail-mi, or have had him in their most recent lynch pool:

Voltaire, chairs, faust, Robz, (yuma?), e, (lio?)

That's seven, and I probably missed some people/some people would vote him to cause a lynch.

PPE: A lot posted while I was writing this.

[Voltaire]

as well as

His vote on chairs is scummy as well as his "Voltaire always tries to lynch me" defense, which is verifiably false as well as being generally scummy.

[Voltaire]

Less than two hours until deadline. I think faust, Eevee, mail-mi, and e(?) are our candidates. Anyone voting for not-them needs to move.

[2.71828.....]

The case on Eevee:

Began as a D1 Lynch a Lurker candidate.  Voltaire then asks him why we should not lynch him.

His response:

Are there some specific issues people would like to see me address?

Where have you been/what have you been doing, I guess.

Why shouldn't we lynch you today?

I haven't been VLA, if that's what you are asking? Just.. day 1, I just don't see things I find worth commenting that much. I've chimed in every time I've had something reasonable to offer.

I won't claim that my play has been particularly towny, self meta arguments are dumb. If you want a semi-random lynch of someone who is matching both their town- and scummetas and is not standing out enough, I guess I'm a fine choice. That's the method that landed me on liopoil, pretty much. I'm not scum though.

So he says that he is fine as a semi-random lynch, and that he voted liopoil for being a fine semi-random lynch as well.  Then there is this:

I try to have my voting history / my reads speak for my towniness - I think that's the hardest thing for scum to manipulate. Obviously that's not very helpul day 1 before the first flip,
so just trying to survive that.

Basically, Eevee is saying here that I hope to survive D1, because I can be really useful with my reads in later days, while I am not that good right now.

Well, when I reread mailmi, he seemed scummier at first, but more recently he has made some posts with lighhearted jokes that read to me as someone who isn't nervous or forcing their contributions. yuma had the longer vla, hasn't maybe quite been the leader I'd expect him to, but then again it's kind of hard when you miss a good chunk of the day. yuma too is often nightkilled, he isn't a very good day 1 lynch regardless.

Eevee is definitely not nervous or forcing contributions.  He gives mail-mi a town read for that.  Maybe hoping that people will give him a town read for the same thing?  That is just speculation though.
Then his final quote:

Okay, so the wiki being offline really sucks and honesty I'd prefer if someone just posted all the info. The current situation just feels very unfair to scum.

However, while faust's inactivity could be real life-infused, it clearly is scummy here. I approve of the lynch, all the while knowing my jumping on the wagon will look suspicious to some.

Holding off voting until faust gets a chance to react, because I'll surely be on before the deadline, so why not.

/kickball

hedging

So summary:
His D1 play matches scum performances in GoT (apparently, I don't really know but other people have said this is the case) and Toy Story.

He has given some very soft hints that he is much better in future days and that we should really not lynch him today.  Again, nothing over the top, just very careful, calm statements that make him look good for future days.

He has been "active" today but not too present.  He did not disappear or anything to get prodded.  He has posted, given some thoughts, but has not had too much that really puts him on the map.  Waiting and Watching.  Lurking.  And hedging

[EFHW]

Vote Count 1.15

谁要死？

2.7... (2): mail-mi, Robz
Eevee (2):  2.7...,  faust
liopoil (2): Eevee, chairs
faust (5): ashersky, Lekkit, liopoil, Ichimaru Gin, yuma
mail-mi (2): Voltaire, Teproc

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December, 19 at 2:20 p.m. Forum time.
Deadline in 1 hr 37 minutes

[Robz888]

I'm only going to vote for faust, 2.7, or Eevee.

[Voltaire]

Robz what do you make of

e trying to start an Eevee wagon when it looked like faust was an easy lynch is making me doubt he's scum.

[Voltaire]

Holy balls. I forgot my dentist appointment. I'm leaving now (already late for it) and going to vote: Eevee. God speed, everyone.

[Robz888]

Robz what do you make of

e trying to start an Eevee wagon when it looked like faust was an easy lynch is making me doubt he's scum.

Oh, well that's obvious, scum opposes the mainstream lynch all the time for town cred.

Actually, the better argument against 2.7 being scum is one you missed: He had the opportunity to hammer faust when I put faust to L-1, and made clear that the alternative lynch to faust was 2.7. When I realized that was the case, I unvoted, but anyway 2.7 could have spared himself big time in that respect.

Of course in both cases he might just believe that ultimately he is safe, and indeed, he may be.

[Eevee]

im here.

e, that's not hegding, it's the opposite of that!

not that I think hedging is particularly scummy, it's unreasonable to expect any kind of certainty on most of the matters day 1. Nothing wrong with realizing your limitations.

[Teproc]

There's a difference between opposing the mainstream lynch and trying to launch a third lynch when there are two wagons, one of which is on you.

[Eevee]

vote: faust

for self-preservation first. I'll think about which of the viable lynches I like best now.

[Eevee]

L-1!

[Robz888]

There's a difference between opposing the mainstream lynch and trying to launch a third lynch when there are two wagons, one of which is on you.

It's just not that acquitting, to me. Bold scum play is often rewarded. I see what you are saying though.

[Teproc]

vote: Eevee Looks like mail-mi is indee not happening, and Eevee is the next best thing.

[faust]

So, right now 5 people are willing to vote Eevee. The rest is either Eevee or absent. Lekkit? Ichimaru? chairs? liopoil? Where are you?

[Eevee]

i'd prefer mailmi to faust if the votes were here.