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[ashersky]

So I think I stand by my belief that town lio reacts more aggressively toward pressure while scum lio keeps his cool as lio was town in this game...

Doesn't this lead to a stronger scumread on lio for you?  If so, still less than Eevee?

[yuma]

So I think I stand by my belief that town lio reacts more aggressively toward pressure while scum lio keeps his cool as lio was town in this game...

Doesn't this lead to a stronger scumread on lio for you?  If so, still less than Eevee?

Yes it does. I am not sure about less than eevee, I think it moves him back above mail-mi.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I find Faust's claim completely scummy. That, and the fact that he just disappeared after making it. His excuse does not hold up in my mind either.
We need a lynch today, and I think Faust is it.
vote: Faust

[liopoil]

@yuma, in that game the case on me was terrible, from my perspective, and so yes, I defended myself aggressively. Here, it's just wrong, the reasoning itself isn't that flawed. I can't say things like "what? I'm not lurking!!"

[2.71828.....]

ugh I am talking myself into thinking he really is town. anti-town behavior, but still town.

Unvote for now. I do not want to lynch Faust while he is away. And he was L-2. And the more I think about it the more I think if we lynch Faust we will lose ashersky and that they are both actually town. I still don't like the claim, and if it was a frustration claim I don't see something happening that he should have gotten frustrated over. If it was a claim to stimulate discussion then why didn't he stay around though?

But above all, he needs a chance to say something, and I do not want to be a part of a lynch that kills him before he has that chance.

[2.71828.....]

At this point I will vote Faust or eevee. I will probably not vote tonight, but I will be here before the deadline and I will have a vote down.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.13

怪客

2.7... (1): Teproc
mail-mi (2): Voltaire, faust
Eevee (2): Robz888, yuma
liopoil (3): Eevee, chairs, mail-mi
faust (5): ashersky, Lekkit, 2.7, liopoil, Ichimaru Gin

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on December, 19 at 2:30 p.m. Forum time.

[ashersky]

I find Faust's claim completely scummy. That, and the fact that he just disappeared after making it. His excuse does not hold up in my mind either.
We need a lynch today, and I think Faust is it.
vote: Faust

This was L-1.  You have to announce that, man.

[Eevee]

I actually think our new guy is plenty scummy here.

[mail-mi]

I actually think our new guy is plenty scummy here.

So was I in my first game. Newbie D1 pass, look at him tomorrow

[Eevee]

I actually think our new guy is plenty scummy here.

So was I in my first game. Newbie D1 pass, look at him tomorrow

i know all that, yet i felt posting what i did was worth it.

[mail-mi]

Ok.  I am going to do something crazy. 

vote: chairs

Yes, I get that he could be a PR.  I get that.  I saw it as soon as Voltaire mentioned the secret case before he had to explain it to the whole world

But

he could also be scum. (or the SK)

JK9++ could have up to 7(!) town PRs.  that is a lot.  Chairs could also be our only PR.  Or he could be one of many.  We could have a SK.  We might not.  Which is why JK9++ is impossible to "solve" D1.  Which will make it super fun later on, but right now is kind of annoying since we don't know anything.

However, I am looking at viable lynches and who we will actually learn something about going into D2.  We will learn stuff about chairs.  I also think we have the votes to pull it off.

I believe mail-mi, Ashersky, Lekkit, Eevee, myself will all vote chairs.  The interesting thing is that this basically is almost all of everyone's scum reads (except liopoil).  So this is also intriguing if he does flip scum.  Now, if he flips town PR we will all feel bad and have nice little accusations thrown at us.

But the point is, we can learn more from a chairs lynch than any other lynch right now.

This post gives me all the wrong feelings. Not the vote, cause I think the vote is fine. The entire post. Like, "Yeah he could be a PR but guess what--we have could have 7!" just rubs me all the wrong ways. vote: e to have it somewhere before faust comes.

Oh wait, deadline is 2:20, which is 12:20, which means I won't be on until then. Well, vote: liopoil because he's more viable.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I find Faust's claim completely scummy. That, and the fact that he just disappeared after making it. His excuse does not hold up in my mind either.
We need a lynch today, and I think Faust is it.
vote: Faust

This was L-1.  You have to announce that, man.

Oh. Sorry I didn't realize that. L-1 means one more vote, and then a hammer?

[ashersky]

I find Faust's claim completely scummy. That, and the fact that he just disappeared after making it. His excuse does not hold up in my mind either.
We need a lynch today, and I think Faust is it.
vote: Faust

This was L-1.  You have to announce that, man.

Oh. Sorry I didn't realize that. L-1 means one more vote, and then a hammer?

Right, the L stands for Lynch.  Lynch today is 7 votes.  So 6 votes is 7-1.  Hence, L-1.

It's important to annouce that you are doing it so others know not to vote without meaning to hammer.  Later in the game, it is important because scum can just quickhammer.

[Robz888]

Woah, major inconsistency here.

ugh I am talking myself into thinking he really is town. anti-town behavior, but still town.

Unvote for now. I do not want to lynch Faust while he is away. And he was L-2. And the more I think about it the more I think if we lynch Faust we will lose ashersky and that they are both actually town. I still don't like the claim, and if it was a frustration claim I don't see something happening that he should have gotten frustrated over. If it was a claim to stimulate discussion then why didn't he stay around though?

But above all, he needs a chance to say something, and I do not want to be a part of a lynch that kills him before he has that chance.

At this point I will vote Faust or eevee. I will probably not vote tonight, but I will be here before the deadline and I will have a vote down.

2.7 is totally trying to have it both ways... supporting the faust lynch enough to have it go through, but being posed to be on record as having thought faust was town for after he flips town (if faust does flip town, which he will if 2.7 is scum).

So as scummy as I find everything having to do with faust, this looks much worse, yes? I would totally toally lynch 2.7 for this. These were back to back posts, not like evolving reads. (2.7 initially evolved to thinking faust was town right after the claim disappearance, which I think is just objectively the opposite reaction a townie should have had. It's opposite my reaction.)

Vote: 2.7 I will be around at deadline and an hour or two before deadline, and will move to Eevee, liopoil, faust, or mail-mi, or faust if necessary. I actually like the faust lynch even more now since if it's wrong, he could shoot 2.7. I don't want him to shoot ashersky, if ash is wrong about faust he's wrong, whatever, town ash has bad early reads and is brashly overconfident all the time. Shoot 2.7, faust!

[mail-mi]

Shoot 2.7, faust!

Agreed.

[EFHW]

Day 1 ends on December, 19 at 2:30 2:20 p.m. Forum time.

[mail-mi]

Shoot 2.7, faust!

Agreed.

Oh wait I revoted for liopoil, here's to hoping e becomes viable: vote: e

[ashersky]

Really?  We're letting faust get away with this?

He's all but admitted to his fake claim by claiming it, disappearing, then coming back and reading the thread in the mean time without posting.

[Robz888]

Looks like mafiascum wiki is back up. So much for that.

/kickball

[ashersky]

Very little access for the next five hours or so, then gone until deadline.

My vote stays on Faust.

[faust]

Okay I need to know why faust claimed. Why, faust? You weren't going to be lynched. Why claim?

I'm realistic. At the point this game was, it was unlikely that we would hit scum D1. It was, instead, possible for us to accidentally lynch a town PR without giving them a chance to claim because we're running out of time. I offered a lynch that, while it doesn't hit scum directly, is probably the best mislynch town can get (because it activates my power).

[faust]

If faust is telling the truth and this set-up actually uses Vengeful, that's the absolute go-to fakeclaim for scum if they're being lynched.  It keeps you from being lynched most of the time.  Vengeful fits scum way better than town anyway.

I have no fear of being killed by faust if he's lynched.  He's lying.

What, Vengeful keeps you from being lynched? I think it encourages lynching you, because doing that gives another town-controlled kill.

[faust]

I mean, that was a terrible D1 claim. There is a reason vigs don't shoot N1- you probably hit town. Same for vengeful. You will probably hit town.

Well, I disagree with this assessment.

[faust]

Here are the possibilities:

Faust is scum.  One scum dead going into N1.
Faust is truthful town, vengekills ash.  Two town dead going into N1.
Faust is lying town.  One town dead going into N1.



Faust could also easily be the SK, if there is one.

Why mention the SK? Is that what scum!ash hopes for, so he won't die?