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[Voltaire]

I'm more likely to think faust is scum post-claim. Vengeful is absolutely the thing scum would claim here. They actually want to proactively claim that if they can, probably. And faust wasn't in any danger, was he? I have to check. If he really, really isn't in any danger, I may actually want to lynch him after all. Yeah.

I'm thinking like Robz about this sorta. Again, what's the scum narrative? I mean, I didn't think faust was scum ahead of time, so I don't want him lynched. But I'd be cool with ash dying. So in an incredibly weird way I'd be ok lynching faust because a possible 1 town/1 scum trade (with a chance of being 1 scum/0 town [though also 2 town]) is not so bad.

Why does scum claim this early exactly?

[2.71828.....]

I say do not lynch Faust right now. There is a good chance he gets NKed because his reads can only get better as time progresses. Worst case: lynch Faust (town) kills ashersky (town) and scum kill [insert name here] (town) and SK kills [insert name here] (town).

Possibly down to 3? Scum and 5 town and 1 SK.

But that is worst case

PPE:3

[Robz888]

So background on Lu Meng: He's a battle commander and strategist for the Wu kingdom. He is the third of four main Wu strategists who all kind of die one after the other. He's known for leading the Wu attack on their former allies, the Shu Kingdom, where the great Shu warrior Guan Yu is killed, leading to a big war between Wu and Shu. In the novel, Guan Yu's ghost kills him (sort of a reverse vengeful thing?). That all happens long after the Red Cliffs, though. At the time of the Red Cliffs battle, he's just sort of not-important Wu commander, and is still under their first strategist.

[2.71828.....]

Vengeful is so RMM.  But whatevs.  My fault for not reading every line of the JK9++ code, then.  It still won't load

There is a possibility of up to 7 town PRs and with 2 mafia PRs. Which is like 9 people with PRs. Which is close to RMM

[Robz888]

I'm more likely to think faust is scum post-claim. Vengeful is absolutely the thing scum would claim here. They actually want to proactively claim that if they can, probably. And faust wasn't in any danger, was he? I have to check. If he really, really isn't in any danger, I may actually want to lynch him after all. Yeah.

I'm thinking like Robz about this sorta. Again, what's the scum narrative? I mean, I didn't think faust was scum ahead of time, so I don't want him lynched. But I'd be cool with ash dying. So in an incredibly weird way I'd be ok lynching faust because a possible 1 town/1 scum trade (with a chance of being 1 scum/0 town [though also 2 town]) is not so bad.

Why does scum claim this early exactly?

Because it would make everyone less likely to want to lynch them, intuitively, I think. I certainly don't want extra night shots, extra night shots kill more townies.

[Robz888]

Yes, the setup has vengeful, and that was a terrible claim. We were nowhere near lynching you Faust

Vengeful is so RMM.  But whatevs.  My fault for not reading every line of the JK9++ code, then.  It still won't load.

Actually, this reads to me like bitterness from a scum person who chose to tunnel someone at random, knowing full well he would never be held accountable for it... except oops, he will be if his target is vengeful.

[ashersky]

Vengeful is so RMM.  But whatevs.  My fault for not reading every line of the JK9++ code, then.  It still won't load

There is a possibility of up to 7 town PRs and with 2 mafia PRs. Which is like 9 people with PRs. Which is close to RMM

I'm not in the "lots of roles = RMM" camp.  I am in the "certain types of roles = RMM" camp.

[Robz888]

Okay I need to know why faust claimed. Why, faust? You weren't going to be lynched. Why claim?

[ashersky]

Yes, the setup has vengeful, and that was a terrible claim. We were nowhere near lynching you Faust

Vengeful is so RMM.  But whatevs.  My fault for not reading every line of the JK9++ code, then.  It still won't load.

Actually, this reads to me like bitterness from a scum person who chose to tunnel someone at random, knowing full well he would never be held accountable for it... except oops, he will be if his target is vengeful.

I haven't unvoted, or moved my vote.  And with his claim, I absolutely refuse to.  Faust is the only lynch today.  He's chosen the absolutely best scum fake claim ever.  It doesn't match his flavor, as you point out.

I am happy to die today if there is vengeful scum in the set-up.

Another reason scum claims Vengeful WITH TARGET is to try to force a claim out of the target.  It's a classic scum rolefish.  "No, don't target me, I'm a PR!!!!" is what faust was hoping to get out of me.

No matter what my role is, I have zero fears of lynching faust.

[ashersky]

Here are the possibilities:

Faust is scum.  One scum dead going into N1.
Faust is truthful town, vengekills ash.  Two town dead going into N1.
Faust is lying town.  One town dead going into N1.



Faust could also easily be the SK, if there is one.

[Robz888]

Lying town is not really a possibility.

[Robz888]

Ash, I agree it's a claim scum makes, but your reaction is REALLY weird to me, I do not know you to sob about RMM aspects.

[ashersky]

Ash, I agree it's a claim scum makes, but your reaction is REALLY weird to me, I do not know you to sob about RMM aspects.

Sob?  Exaggerate much?  And if you were going to pick one player to "overreact" in game, who would it be?

Lying town is not really a possibility.

Go tell that to every recent game we've had on f.ds.  It shouldn't be a possibility (edge cases excepted), but it happens.

[ashersky]

Ash, I agree it's a claim scum makes, but your reaction is REALLY weird to me, I do not know you to sob about RMM aspects.

Mostly, it's just that I'm not that enamored with this set-up, or standard set-ups in general anymore.  I'm much more interested in my own set-ups (and modding them) as well as trying out the inventions of my fellow mods.

[liopoil]

before any of us say anything further regarding the claim, I let's have faust fully explain why he claimed, and why he says he will vengekill ashersky no matter what.

talking more will just give scum!faust ideas.

[liopoil]

3, there's no way a chairs lynch is happening anyway.

Lastly, it seems that an eevee lynch isn't happening. the other clear options are faust and me, and I don't like either of those options. E now is at 3 votes and I think has a chance of happening, and is suspicious.

I am very, very tempted to vote for e, but the one thing holding me back is your 3. Why would e, as scum, do something as suspicious/crazy as vote for chairs (even if that's good for scum) when it's clear chairs isn't going through?

Also, mail-mi is an option. He may only have two votes but other people have called him scummy as well.

I realize mail-mi is an option, but I don't think he's as scummy as e. re: #3, I don't really think it's that weird. He could honestly think that town could be convinced to lynch chairs. He might be trying to fish for chairs' role.

[ashersky]

before any of us say anything further regarding the claim, I let's have faust fully explain why he claimed, and why he says he will vengekill ashersky no matter what.

talking more will just give scum!faust ideas.

Nice thought and all.  But he's disappeared on us.  (He's in Europe, right?  It's getting late there.)

Best to just lynch him, if we're worried about giving too much info to scum.

[Robz888]

That makes sense, lio. I really don't like that faust just claimed and then disappeared. We need cross examination!

[Robz888]

He's still online though.

[Robz888]

Maybe he's waiting for mafiascum wiki to reload again so he can perfect his fake claim.

[ashersky]

Maybe he's waiting for mafiascum wiki to reload again so he can perfect his fake claim.

+1

[Voltaire]

Maybe he's waiting for mafiascum wiki to reload again so he can perfect his fake claim.

He already said something about the letter it would imply. What else could he say?

[ashersky]

Maybe he's waiting for mafiascum wiki to reload again so he can perfect his fake claim.

He already said something about the letter it would imply. What else could he say?

How many V combos include Vengeful as an option?

[Robz888]

Maybe he's waiting for mafiascum wiki to reload again so he can perfect his fake claim.

He already said something about the letter it would imply. What else could he say?

I have a possible idea about that, but if I explain it before faust comes back that would defeat the purpose.

[Voltaire]

Maybe he's waiting for mafiascum wiki to reload again so he can perfect his fake claim.

He already said something about the letter it would imply. What else could he say?

I have a possible idea about that, but if I explain it before faust comes back that would defeat the purpose.

Then don't.