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[Teproc]

3, there's no way a chairs lynch is happening anyway.

Lastly, it seems that an eevee lynch isn't happening. the other clear options are faust and me, and I don't like either of those options. E now is at 3 votes and I think has a chance of happening, and is suspicious.

I am very, very tempted to vote for e, but the one thing holding me back is your 3. Why would e, as scum, do something as suspicious/crazy as vote for chairs (even if that's good for scum) when it's clear chairs isn't going through?

Also, mail-mi is an option. He may only have two votes but other people have called him scummy as well.

Well, we don't know what scum!e is like (presumably, insert [REDACTED] caveat), and I don't think town!e has done stuff like this, has he ?

[Voltaire]

Well, we don't know what scum!e is like (presumably, insert [REDACTED] caveat), and I don't think town!e has done stuff like this, has he ?

But town!e was doing obv!scum stuff in Toy Story that only obv!town actually does. Hence why I (correctly) called him "scum's ideal mislynch" and turned out to be right. This does feel different, but I don't see a scum narrative for him posting what lio identifies as "3".

[faust]

But what do you think about my case that we can actually learn something from this flip?

I mean, if liopoil or mail-mi or eevee flip scum, great.  If not, we do not learn anything.  At all.

Sure, if he's a PR, we'll learn that he's a PR, which says something about the setup. That would be nice... except it means our PR is dead afterwards! If chairs truly is a PR, he will have to produce results of some sort as the game moves on, so we also get more information if we leave him alive. And if he fakes results, we can call him out sooner or later.

[faust]

Vote: 2.71828.....

Reasons:

I agree with yuma here:

and in his further explanations later.

Also his recent chairs vote, which well, doesn't make much sense from a town standpoint. 1, a chairs lynch is bad 2, chairs isn't suspicious, and 3, there's no way a chairs lynch is happening anyway.

Lastly, it seems that an eevee lynch isn't happening. the other clear options are faust and me, and I don't like either of those options. E now is at 3 votes and I think has a chance of happening, and is suspicious.

I agree with Voltaire that point 3 in this case is more of a town read for e.

[Robz888]

I wouldn't worry too much about no lynch. Worst case scenario we have to rush a lynch in the last hour (that would be bad, we still should try to reach a lynch earlier if we can), but we will lynch someone I think.

This.

You all forget the "time to claim at L-1" conundrum.

When 2.7 moves his vote, we will have lio at 4 voted and Faust at 3.  Those will be the leading wagons with a day to go.

I guess I did forget that, although at this point it might just be, "L-1" followed by "claim" followed by "I don't believe you! Lynch!"

Well who should I vote for, what is the count.

[Robz888]

I think I'd rather lynch Eevee than liopoil, though. I think Eevee did just enough to--in his view--not get lynched, whereas liopoil went like above and beyond.

[faust]

This is leading nowhere.

I am Lu Meng, the Vengeful. If you lynch me today, I will shoot ashersky.

[ashersky]

This is leading nowhere.

I am Lu Meng, the Vengeful. If you lynch me today, I will shoot ashersky.

Worst fakeclaim ever, I'm pretty sure.

This is JK9++.  There are no "vengeful" roles.  That's pretty RMM/BM.  Mafiascum isn't loading currently, for some reason, so I can't confirm 100%, but I mean, vengeful?  I'll check when it loads.

This should confirm faust as scum for everyone else.

[Voltaire]

This is leading nowhere.

I am Lu Meng, the Vengeful. If you lynch me today, I will shoot ashersky.

Oh! Hmm. I disagree that it was leading nowhere. Why the claim?

MafiaScum wiki won't load for me, so I have no idea what this means about the setup if this is true.

[Voltaire]

This is leading nowhere.

I am Lu Meng, the Vengeful. If you lynch me today, I will shoot ashersky.

Worst fakeclaim ever, I'm pretty sure.

This is JK9++.  There are no "vengeful" roles.  That's pretty RMM/BM.  Mafiascum isn't loading currently, for some reason, so I can't confirm 100%, but I mean, vengeful?  I'll check when it loads.

This should confirm faust as scum for everyone else.

I am so close to voting you, ash. JK9++ has vengeful roles.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Phone post:

Isn't claiming vengeful normally something that gets you lynched?
So why would Faust claim it?
It's almost like he wants to get lynched.
The whole "this is going nowhere" thing kinda cinches if for me

[Ichimaru Gin]

Missed voltaires post. But yeah, it won't load for me either.

[faust]

Phone post:

Isn't claiming vengeful normally something that gets you lynched?
So why would Faust claim it?
It's almost like he wants to get lynched.
The whole "this is going nowhere" thing kinda cinches if for me

Well, yes, I don't really mind if you lynch me today. I think that way, my role may be of some use: I can kill scum (or at least try to).

[Voltaire]

Phone post:

Isn't claiming vengeful normally something that gets you lynched?
So why would Faust claim it?
It's almost like he wants to get lynched.
The whole "this is going nowhere" thing kinda cinches if for me

Well, yes, I don't really mind if you lynch me today. I think that way, my role may be of some use: I can kill scum (or at least try to).

The risk with this is that ash is town and we've given scum a free extra kill D1.

[faust]

This is leading nowhere.

I am Lu Meng, the Vengeful. If you lynch me today, I will shoot ashersky.

Oh! Hmm. I disagree that it was leading nowhere. Why the claim?

MafiaScum wiki won't load for me, so I have no idea what this means about the setup if this is true.

It doesn't really say anything on the setup, sadly. The only thing to be concluded from this is that we have 1 K letter (because that would mean Vengeful OR Vigilante).

[faust]

Phone post:

Isn't claiming vengeful normally something that gets you lynched?
So why would Faust claim it?
It's almost like he wants to get lynched.
The whole "this is going nowhere" thing kinda cinches if for me

Well, yes, I don't really mind if you lynch me today. I think that way, my role may be of some use: I can kill scum (or at least try to).

The risk with this is that ash is town and we've given scum a free extra kill D1.

Correct. This is why I wanted to get it out before you guys decide to randomly lynch me before I can say another word (has happened before). Town should know what they're dealing with.

[Voltaire]

Well, I for one lean towards believing faust. Scum can't kill him without him getting to use his Vengeful (I think?) so I see no problem letting him live. I thought he was more likely town anyway.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Phone post:

Isn't claiming vengeful normally something that gets you lynched?
So why would Faust claim it?
It's almost like he wants to get lynched.
The whole "this is going nowhere" thing kinda cinches if for me

Well, yes, I don't really mind if you lynch me today. I think that way, my role may be of some use: I can kill scum (or at least try to).

The risk with this is that ash is town and we've given scum a free extra kill D1.

Correct. This is why I wanted to get it out before you guys decide to randomly lynch me before I can say another word (has happened before). Town should know what they're dealing with.

So it's like your holding ash's life ransom, pending your lynch?

[ashersky]

If faust is telling the truth and this set-up actually uses Vengeful, that's the absolute go-to fakeclaim for scum if they're being lynched.  It keeps you from being lynched most of the time.  Vengeful fits scum way better than town anyway.

I have no fear of being killed by faust if he's lynched.  He's lying.

[ashersky]

Well, I for one lean towards believing faust. Scum can't kill him without him getting to use his Vengeful (I think?) so I see no problem letting him live. I thought he was more likely town anyway.

Vengeful only works on lynch, not NK.

[2.71828.....]

Yes, the setup has vengeful, and that was a terrible claim. We were nowhere near lynching you Faust

[ashersky]

Yes, the setup has vengeful, and that was a terrible claim. We were nowhere near lynching you Faust

Vengeful is so RMM.  But whatevs.  My fault for not reading every line of the JK9++ code, then.  It still won't load.

Vengeful is easily as anti-town as Vigs are.  We're better off killing him.  If he's really town, he should agree NOT to kill anyone with his Vengeful, to be honest.  It's the "vigs shouldn't shoot N1" argument.  Vengefuls shouldn't kill before like D3.

[2.71828.....]

I mean, that was a terrible D1 claim. There is a reason vigs don't shoot N1- you probably hit town. Same for vengeful. You will probably hit town.

[Robz888]

I'm more likely to think faust is scum post-claim. Vengeful is absolutely the thing scum would claim here. They actually want to proactively claim that if they can, probably. And faust wasn't in any danger, was he? I have to check. If he really, really isn't in any danger, I may actually want to lynch him after all. Yeah.

[Robz888]

Yeah, there were only two people voting for him. So he had no reason to claim, but did, in order to put out the kind of claim that scum really really wants to make.

Fausr, do you disagree that that's what you did? We really gotta understand you here, man.