Allright, so I went back and looked at Voltaire since I've had a bad gut feeling about him. I found some interesting things. Bold emphasis mine.
Are we already so sold this is a good idea? Based on my read of the setup, anybody who actually has a name to claim is a PR.
Really? Maybe that's the source of my confusion.
This is where Voltaire suggests that he's not a VT by saying that chairs might be right about No Face being a role rather than flavor.
Based on my read of the setup, anybody who actually has a name to claim is a PR.
vote: chairs
Here he votes for chairs for not being a VT. Under the assumption that No Face is not a role. Later unvotes, revotes and unvotes once again.
"No Face" doesn't mean "no name".
Takes the No Face is not a role stance once again.
Where can I find a list of who is a "face officer" and who is a "no-face" officer for these characters? I'm at a loss.
Back to No Face = flavor.
I am Zhuge Liang
Hold up. No-one else do this right now. Are you aware we are currently unclear if this just outs all our PRs?
Again reinforcning that No Face might be flavor.
That's why I asked if there's a wiki with a list of who the Face Officers and No-Face Officers are. Because I went to ash's name's page and it doesn't say he's face or no-face, so I'm quite confused.
Also, I do think I want to vote: chairs.
Still doing it. Also voting chairs again. On the assumption that he is no VT but trying to say that No Face might be just flavor and chairs may be right.
All this stuff makes me think Voltaire is vanilla or knows for a fact that No Face is in fact a role. Due to the fact that he's saying that No Face might be a role or just flavor, while his actions says that it's a role, and he knows it. However I'm not sure that makes him town.
Now onto the parts that I think are weird.
Also, massclaim and win? I don't see how mafia can claim any role but VT, and they might have trouble claiming a town alignment too. Point it out if there is something I'm not seeing.
I'm not sure how I, or anyone missed this the first time around. If we assume all scum and VT claim VT all we get is a VT/Scum and PR split. This seriously help scum. I'm assuming the setup is not broken since it's an established one. He actually calls for a roleclaim here and not a flavor claim later on changes it into a desire to flavorclaim.
Right, which is why I trust you here after you said your name - you're either a PR willing to be outed D1, a VT taking a reasonable risk, or scum seeing if they can get away with their claim/mislead town.
Also known as "Right, which is why I trust you here after you said your name - you're a player in this game." That's not a reason to trust someone.
I'm back to vote: Lekkit. To the scumhunting, gentlemen. Robz may or may not be able to help us with this flavor stuff later.
So far I think chairs is town, small town reads on e and Robz, null on everyone else.
"I'm back to RVS. Do your thing, guys and scumhunt!" By this point RVS is over. There's discussion going on. Why revert to it? And why encourage others to scumhunt while leaning back yourself?
If you're town, pretty-please go back and re-read that section. I agree that he came across that way. But he also did another thing. So he's town.
I think it is and should be (slowly) happening now (in the background of each player's head). I'll put forward a more serious explanation later.
Fine, I'll just tell you.
I think chairs is either a PR or scum.
He clearly has a name to claim, and he thinks only PRs have names to claim.
I thought it through, and I don't see why scum would be the first to express confusion on this point. It's similar to the nkirbit "oh huh is that what town is called" in M31 for those of you who were in that game.
So, I think chairs outed himself as a PR.
So... The secret case. That was so bad for town to claim. And yet he tried so hard to get people to get it. In the end he told everyone. As yuma(?) mentioned. It's a really weird thing to do as town.
Oh, I would agree with you that it was not handled well, in retrospect, but I ask you, what's the scum narrative here? It's actually quite nice now, in my eyes, because tons of people are calling me scummy for playing the game. That's actually a best-case scenario I think (expect for the whole chairs thing which, well, oops). I think I got a bit too excited about it because it really, really seemed to implicate ash.
I still have ash and mail-mi as my top scum reads so far.
Voltaire's rebuttal to the secret case response by yuma. Ends it with his top scum reads. Earlier he said:
I am town. I think faust is not scummy. If ashersky is town, I can see how he could find faust scummy. We have the same alignment (maybe), but we disagree.
So basically, ash is his top scumread, but he's not entirely sure about it. Yet encourage people to vote for him without much of an explanation.
With all that said, I think Voltaire has done some things that are not really pro-town. But that does not always make you scummy. However expressing reads with so much determination as he has, backing away in the next post, and then going back to the super strong scum reads doesn't sound good in my ears. So far I think Voltaire is the scummiest around, and I will give him my vote.
Vote: Voltaire