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[Eevee]

chairs, if you are in fact a VT (I don't necessarily agree with Voltaire's certainty now that he has laid it all out), you should absolutely play this as a pr and try to draw a night kill.

[Teproc]

Oh! But they don't know who to say they are instead . Yes, mass claim immediately

Are we already so sold this is a good idea?  Based on my read of the setup, anybody who actually has a name to claim is a PR.

All the warriors gathered should be receiving battle instructions soon. These instruction's will inform you of your Kingdom(Alignment), Name(Flavor), and Role. The game developers have been quite busy working on Dynasty Warriors UltimaXtremeEsNumeroUnolegends 5... so some characters will be using a generic stock model. These are known as No Face Officers(Vanilla Townie)

JK9++ is a setup with a variable amount of town PRs.  Just because someone has a name that may be "powerful" in the story does not mean it will be a PR.  I think what I bolded here seems to imply that "face" and "no-face" officers will not be able to be distinguished due to flavor name.

When I read what you bolded, I get the exact opposite impression as you do.  I specifically read that as "Vanilla Townies will be "No Face Officers" in their PM, rather than a named officer".

These are the relevant posts, correct ?

I think all this means is that chairs is not a VT, or is a VT deliberately trying to pass for a PR (which I do think is possible, although unlikely). I don't know what makes you so sure that scum "wouldn't be the first to express confusion". Scum presumably discussed the setup on night 0, and they could very well have had the ame confusion as we did, and asked mcmc for clarification. It's very possible that scum!chairs then intentionally reproduced that confusion as a breadcrumb for a future fakeclaim.

Basically I agree that PR is the most likely option, but scum is still a strong enough possibility to give me pause.

[Voltaire]

I think all this means is that chairs is not a VT, or is a VT deliberately trying to pass for a PR (which I do think is possible, although unlikely). I don't know what makes you so sure that scum "wouldn't be the first to express confusion". Scum presumably discussed the setup on night 0, and they could very well have had the ame confusion as we did, and asked mcmc for clarification. It's very possible that scum!chairs then intentionally reproduced that confusion as a breadcrumb for a future fakeclaim.

Basically I agree that PR is the most likely option, but scum is still a strong enough possibility to give me pause.

I see what you're saying. Hmm.

ash, is this why you think chairs is scum? Or just his hesitation?

[ashersky]

I think all this means is that chairs is not a VT, or is a VT deliberately trying to pass for a PR (which I do think is possible, although unlikely). I don't know what makes you so sure that scum "wouldn't be the first to express confusion". Scum presumably discussed the setup on night 0, and they could very well have had the ame confusion as we did, and asked mcmc for clarification. It's very possible that scum!chairs then intentionally reproduced that confusion as a breadcrumb for a future fakeclaim.

Basically I agree that PR is the most likely option, but scum is still a strong enough possibility to give me pause.

I see what you're saying. Hmm.

ash, is this why you think chairs is scum? Or just his hesitation?

I think scum is MORE likely to make the assumption chairs made than not, and that occurred to me at the time of posting.  No one on the scum team would have a frame of reference for what town PMs say.  This is akin to a situation where town has a different name that isn't announced in thread and the scum players not knowing and getting caught out.

[faust]

I think all this means is that chairs is not a VT, or is a VT deliberately trying to pass for a PR (which I do think is possible, although unlikely). I don't know what makes you so sure that scum "wouldn't be the first to express confusion". Scum presumably discussed the setup on night 0, and they could very well have had the ame confusion as we did, and asked mcmc for clarification. It's very possible that scum!chairs then intentionally reproduced that confusion as a breadcrumb for a future fakeclaim.

Basically I agree that PR is the most likely option, but scum is still a strong enough possibility to give me pause.

I see what you're saying. Hmm.

ash, is this why you think chairs is scum? Or just his hesitation?

I think scum is MORE likely to make the assumption chairs made than not, and that occurred to me at the time of posting.  No one on the scum team would have a frame of reference for what town PMs say.  This is akin to a situation where town has a different name that isn't announced in thread and the scum players not knowing and getting caught out.

But if chairs is town, he's a PR, so this is a dangerous lynch. Plus, there is a 50% chance that we have two opposing scum (mafia/SK). In this case, someone who is supposed to be a town PR or scum is not going to last long. I say just keep chairs alive today and see if scum solves the problem for us.

[chairs]

Well, I'm glad that this is generating so much buzz, we'll have plenty to work with post-flips!

[Voltaire]

I think scum is MORE likely to make the assumption chairs made than not, and that occurred to me at the time of posting.  No one on the scum team would have a frame of reference for what town PMs say.  This is akin to a situation where town has a different name that isn't announced in thread and the scum players not knowing and getting caught out.

But we had that, in your game, in M31. It was town (who hadn't read their PM closely) who said something in-thread.

[Voltaire]

But if chairs is town, he's a PR, so this is a dangerous lynch. Plus, there is a 50% chance that we have two opposing scum (mafia/SK). In this case, someone who is supposed to be a town PR or scum is not going to last long. I say just keep chairs alive today and see if scum solves the problem for us.

Mmmm, that's true. If there's a SK, chairs is pretty much the perfect kill. Whether scum or a town PR, SK wins.

[ashersky]

I think scum is MORE likely to make the assumption chairs made than not, and that occurred to me at the time of posting.  No one on the scum team would have a frame of reference for what town PMs say.  This is akin to a situation where town has a different name that isn't announced in thread and the scum players not knowing and getting caught out.

But we had that, in your game, in M31. It was town (who hadn't read their PM closely) who said something in-thread.

Scum was caught out with a similar VT problem in MAII.  There are examples for both.

I'm not voting chairs now anyway.  Is anyone?  Why are we discussing him so much?

[Voltaire]

I think scum is MORE likely to make the assumption chairs made than not, and that occurred to me at the time of posting.  No one on the scum team would have a frame of reference for what town PMs say.  This is akin to a situation where town has a different name that isn't announced in thread and the scum players not knowing and getting caught out.

But we had that, in your game, in M31. It was town (who hadn't read their PM closely) who said something in-thread.

Scum was caught out with a similar VT problem in MAII.  There are examples for both.

I'm not voting chairs now anyway.  Is anyone?  Why are we discussing him so much?

Because you said he was tied for your top scum read, and I found that extremely scummy.

[ashersky]

I think scum is MORE likely to make the assumption chairs made than not, and that occurred to me at the time of posting.  No one on the scum team would have a frame of reference for what town PMs say.  This is akin to a situation where town has a different name that isn't announced in thread and the scum players not knowing and getting caught out.

But we had that, in your game, in M31. It was town (who hadn't read their PM closely) who said something in-thread.

Scum was caught out with a similar VT problem in MAII.  There are examples for both.

I'm not voting chairs now anyway.  Is anyone?  Why are we discussing him so much?

Because you said he was tied for your top scum read, and I found that extremely scummy.

And others find you scummy for finding people to be so strongly town this early.  Different styles, man.

Faust is still the scummiest.

[Voltaire]

Faust is still the scummiest.

Disagree that faust is scummy, but I see how town could disagree about him.

[Lekkit]

Disagree that faust is scummy, but I see how town could disagree about him.

Wait, what?

[Voltaire]

Disagree that faust is scummy, but I see how town could disagree about him.

Wait, what?

I am town. I think faust is not scummy. If ashersky is town, I can see how he could find faust scummy. We have the same alignment (maybe), but we disagree.

[Lekkit]

So basically instead of saying "we disagree" you say "town disagree"? Just putting it out there that you are in fact town. Just one more time. When nobody has said anything else.

[Voltaire]

So basically instead of saying "we disagree" you say "town disagree"? Just putting it out there that you are in fact town. Just one more time. When nobody has said anything else.

No, pointing out that my disagreement with ash may or may not be town v town. Since I don't know ash's alignment.

[Teproc]

He's saying that, while ash disagrees with him, he doesn't find him scummy for it. I don't see what the problm is here.

[Lekkit]

Allright, I just found it odd for the reasons I stated above.

[Eevee]

unvote for sure. Chairs is 99% town I am thinking.

Now that we know the case, I'm finding Voltaire slightly scummy for this. I know 99% of the time someone says they are 99% sure, they are exaggerating.. but this seems very excessive, and Voltaire is usually a reasonable person.

[Voltaire]

unvote for sure. Chairs is 99% town I am thinking.

Now that we know the case, I'm finding Voltaire slightly scummy for this. I know 99% of the time someone says they are 99% sure, they are exaggerating.. but this seems very excessive, and Voltaire is usually a reasonable person.

I simply do not think scum posts what chairs posts. Teproc however has pointed out that there is a reason he might post it as scum, which I did not think of at the time. It would require a very clever plan, though. One that I still don't think scum tries.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Unvote.
It may just be me, but it seems like there hasn't been a lot of development so far.
I'm having a hard time getting reads on anyone. I'd appreciate any scumhunting tips you guys have for me, cause at this point, I feel a little lost.

[mail-mi]

unvote for sure. Chairs is 99% town I am thinking.

Now that we know the case, I'm finding Voltaire slightly scummy for this. I know 99% of the time someone says they are 99% sure, they are exaggerating.. but this seems very excessive, and Voltaire is usually a reasonable person.

I simply do not think scum posts what chairs posts. Teproc however has pointed out that there is a reason he might post it as scum, which I did not think of at the time. It would require a very clever plan, though. One that I still don't think scum tries.

Oh scum totally tries gutsy plans. All the time.

[Voltaire]

Oh scum totally tries gutsy plans. All the time.

*squints* Really? D1? Really? Cite examples.

[mail-mi]

Oh scum totally tries gutsy plans. All the time.

*squints* Really? D1? Really? Cite examples.

The one that you brought up: Ash&co. in RMM9 (Jimmmm's game) being all on or all off.

[Voltaire]

Oh scum totally tries gutsy plans. All the time.

*squints* Really? D1? Really? Cite examples.

The one that you brought up: Ash&co. in RMM9 (Jimmmm's game) being all on or all off.

That's completely different from a plan to misunderstand the setup D1. That's what we're talking about. Early D1 individual plans.