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[chairs]

Well, there's more to this setup than just flavor stuff. For example: We are likely to have a Hider. Is that going to help us? Should they claim? (It's a good claim I think, because unlike with other roles, there can't be more than one, so fakeclaiming is dangerous) I vaguely remember someone somewhere talking about some "Hider plan" that worked great in some game I didn't participate in. Are we able to pull off something like this here? Can someone who was in this game explain how that plan worked?

It won't work here. It worked in Clue because of a list provided by the mod in the OP that accidentally created a flawless Hider plan. It was broken and will never happen again.

It was beautiful once, though.

[faust]

Well, there's more to this setup than just flavor stuff. For example: We are likely to have a Hider. Is that going to help us? Should they claim? (It's a good claim I think, because unlike with other roles, there can't be more than one, so fakeclaiming is dangerous) I vaguely remember someone somewhere talking about some "Hider plan" that worked great in some game I didn't participate in. Are we able to pull off something like this here? Can someone who was in this game explain how that plan worked?

It won't work here. It worked in Clue because of a list provided by the mod in the OP that accidentally created a flawless Hider plan. It was broken and will never happen again.

Alright. Would it still be a good idea to have them claim? I mean, suppose they hide behind scum N1 and die, then we'd get no information from that. And scum can't kill them anyway.

[Teproc]

They don't have to hide do they ? And I don't think we get more info if they died after having claimed anyway, unless you want them to announce who they'll be hiding behind, but that seems like an awful idea.

[Voltaire]

They don't have to hide do they ? And I don't think we get more info if they died after having claimed anyway, unless you want them to announce who they'll be hiding behind, but that seems like an awful idea.

It makes it super-easy for mafia to frame them, or someone else. Especially since we might have a busdriver! The trick to playing hider is to plant the seeds of who you'll hide behind, so it's obvious once you flip.

[faust]

Mod question:

If the Hider is targeted by a Strongman kill while hiding behind someone, do they die?

[Teproc]

Which only works if they don't claim. I think that was your point, correct ?

I agree in that case.

[Voltaire]

Which only works if they don't claim. I think that was your point, correct ?

I agree in that case.

Yes. Hiders shouldn't claim, usually.

[faust]

They don't have to hide do they ? And I don't think we get more info if they died after having claimed anyway, unless you want them to announce who they'll be hiding behind, but that seems like an awful idea.

It makes it super-easy for mafia to frame them, or someone else. Especially since we might have a busdriver! The trick to playing hider is to plant the seeds of who you'll hide behind, so it's obvious once you flip.

Okay, I get that we probably don't gain much from having the Hider claim today.

[Eevee]

I agree with Voltaire.

[Voltaire]

I agree with Voltaire.

about...?

[Eevee]

I agree with Voltaire.

about...?

How our hider, if we have one, should proceed.

[chairs]

So should we start on a PoE (for the day) list?

[ashersky]

So should we start on a PoE (for the day) list?

Nope.  Mislynch me instead.  Then lynch scum!faust tomorrow.  Then scum!chairs on D3.

[Voltaire]

So should we start on a PoE (for the day) list?

Sure!

Here's what I propose as of right now (modify for your own personal list as you see fit):

Voltaire
Robz888
mail-mi
Chairs
Ashersky
Yuma
Ichimaru Gin
Lekkit
Liopoil
Teproc
2.7
Eevee
Faust

I think that's it so far. It's very early.

[ashersky]

How chairs gets any town reads from people at all this game astounds me.  Was easily the scumminess player up until Faust posted.

[Voltaire]

How chairs gets any town reads from people at all this game astounds me.  Was easily the scumminess player up until Faust posted.

What's the scum case on chairs? Just the hedging on claiming?

[ashersky]

How chairs gets any town reads from people at all this game astounds me.  Was easily the scumminess player up until Faust posted.

What's the scum case on chairs? Just the hedging on claiming?

The way he hedged on claiming.  Best described as "oh shit they might claim" face.

[Voltaire]

How chairs gets any town reads from people at all this game astounds me.  Was easily the scumminess player up until Faust posted.

What's the scum case on chairs? Just the hedging on claiming?

The way he hedged on claiming.  Best described as "oh shit they might claim" face.

If you're town, pretty-please go back and re-read that section. I agree that he came across that way. But he also did another thing. So he's town.

[Teproc]

Oh exactly is "oh shit they might claim" a scumtell ? I'm town, and that's exactly what I thought... because I thought claiming was a bad idea. And look, you and e actually did claim ! I get no scumread on that from chairs.

[ashersky]

Oh exactly is "oh shit they might claim" a scumtell ? I'm town, and that's exactly what I thought... because I thought claiming was a bad idea.

I noted your reaction as well.  You gave reasoning and stuff, if I recall.  Less "oh shit" and more "hmmm...this is bad Scoobs!" style.

[chairs]

So should we start on a PoE (for the day) list?

Sure!

Here's what I propose as of right now (modify for your own personal list as you see fit):

Voltaire
Robz888
mail-mi
Chairs
Ashersky
Yuma
Ichimaru Gin
Lekkit
Liopoil
Teproc
2.7
Eevee
Faust

I think that's it so far. It's very early.

Giving Ichimaru a day 1 pass because he's new?

I think I'd add Teproc or Faust on the basis that both contribute heavily and should be easy to catch out in later Days.  Maybe also add Lekkit on a newbie D1 pass basis, because AFAIK he's new.

That would leave:
Eevee
Liopoil
Ashersky
mail-mi
Robz888

in my "would lynch" pool.

I'd personally put ashersky at the bottom of this list because he's contributing (even if he is kind of tunneling me, and I know I'm town).  We'll catch him out somehow.

Maybe Robz or mail-mi? Robz seems to be the more devious scum in the past, but I legitimately think I might get caught out more often by scum!mail-mi than scum!Robz because there are certain semi-tells to suggest when Robz is scum.

[chairs]

Oh exactly is "oh shit they might claim" a scumtell ? I'm town, and that's exactly what I thought... because I thought claiming was a bad idea.

I noted your reaction as well.  You gave reasoning and stuff, if I recall.  Less "oh shit" and more "hmmm...this is bad Scoobs!" style.

My apologies if my shorter posts (usually while I should be working) lead to simple "oh shit" without the additional reasoning, though I hope I've since clarified my reasoning (albeit mcmc has since cleared up that my major concern was unfounded).

[Voltaire]

Giving Ichimaru a day 1 pass because he's new?

Yup. I haven't taken anyone out based on post count yet, though. Way too early to do that. Also pretty sure Lekkit isn't new.

Oh wait mail-mi is in this game? Robz why aren't you voting mail-mi already?

[Teproc]

Lekkit is not new, he has played a few old games and ash referred to a more recent game where they were both werewolves I think.

Oh, and day 1 passes are stupid. PoE this early is also stupid. I just had that conversation in another game so I don't really want to get into it again, but I just thought I'd say it and move on. PoE comes after scumhunting, not before.

Maaaaybe day 1 pass for a newbie is ok from a "welcome to the community, let's not kill you immediately" perspective, but not from a in-game perspective.

The problem is, I don't really know how to move to scumhunting myself, I just don't have the material yet. I guess my only scum reads right now are very light and due to theory talk, so that's not great.

[2.71828.....]

I don't really want to lynch Robz right now because 1) He knows the flavor well, and 2) he is v/la (or semi-v/la) and has not been able to contribute too much.  Ichimaru gets a newbie D1 pass from me.  I need to go back and do a reread to better narrow down my list.  Especially for people I have not played with before (chairs and Lekkit). 

I mean, we still have until December 19 to get a lynch.  No need to rush into anything.