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[faust]

Well then, I'll try to be a good IC for you all.

Before we really get started, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

If you were mafia in this game, which (if any) powers would you have picked?

Everyone's answer should include his preferred set of powers (as mafia). Don't just say "well, this looks neat, but maybe I would have also chosen that."

Think about whether this is actually a good idea or not. I think in the past pick your poison setups, we determined it was not. It helps the Mafia determine who has which PR.

Can you expand on how this would help mafia to find PRs?

[manda2014]

I'm at work until 9:30 central. I'll be following along on my phone whenever I have a chance, but won't be able to post until I'm off.

Excited to play though!

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.2

Voltaire (1): Robz
Robz (1): Jimmmmmm
manda (1): Voltaire

Not Voting (9): mcmcsalot, Jorbles, faust, Morgrim, ashersky, manda, Walrus, 2.7, Teproc

Day1 will end in 12 days (10+2 for Thanksgiving) on December 4 at 10 pm forum time

[manda2014]

Well then, I'll try to be a good IC for you all.

Before we really get started, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

If you were mafia in this game, which (if any) powers would you have picked?

Everyone's answer should include his preferred set of powers (as mafia). Don't just say "well, this looks neat, but maybe I would have also chosen that."

Think about whether this is actually a good idea or not. I think in the past pick your poison setups, we determined it was not. It helps the Mafia determine who has which PR.

I haven't read any past games with a similar set-up to this one, but I think Robz makes a good point. Since there's not a way to get that info to the IC privately and let him interpret it without everyone knowing, it seems like it would give way too much information to the mafia.

[ashersky]

Wouldn't the mafia already know what they picked?  Getting the opinions of town on the relative strengths of mafia powers won't help them pick better ones, if they chose any at all.

[faust]

Well then, I'll try to be a good IC for you all.

Before we really get started, I would like everyone to answer the following question:

If you were mafia in this game, which (if any) powers would you have picked?

Everyone's answer should include his preferred set of powers (as mafia). Don't just say "well, this looks neat, but maybe I would have also chosen that."

Think about whether this is actually a good idea or not. I think in the past pick your poison setups, we determined it was not. It helps the Mafia determine who has which PR.

I haven't read any past games with a similar set-up to this one, but I think Robz makes a good point. Since there's not a way to get that info to the IC privately and let him interpret it without everyone knowing, it seems like it would give way too much information to the mafia.

Which kind of information is it that you think the mafia could use against us?

[Voltaire]

Which kind of information is it that you think the mafia could use against us?

I suppose our PRs might be biased to think that mafia chose more powers since they themselves have a PR (even though town has 2 PRs anyway)...I actually don't think this could go wrong as long as people are careful.

So, ash, do you actually have a plan?

[Jimmmmm]

Initially posted in the wrong thread:

I think if I was scum I would find a way to give each scum and Town power a rating, and pick the scum powers which have ratings above the average for Town powers. Sounds like a lot of work though.

[Teproc]

I think I agree with Robz here. I don't see what would be gained by a theory discussion in this setup, it seems like all we'd be doing is giving mafia info about what we think they've done, which I'm sure can be useful to them... somehow ?

[faust]

I think I agree with Robz here. I don't see what would be gained by a theory discussion in this setup, it seems like all we'd be doing is giving mafia info about what we think they've done, which I'm sure can be useful to them... somehow ?

How? HOW can it be useful for them?! Everyone who is opposed to this remains awfully vague as to how discussing this would benefit scum.

Here's what I think: Going through this is going to help us determine how many PRs there are and against what we are playing. Both things that the mafia already knows. I seriously doubt that this will hurt us.

[Jimmmmm]

I think I agree with Robz here. I don't see what would be gained by a theory discussion in this setup, it seems like all we'd be doing is giving mafia info about what we think they've done, which I'm sure can be useful to them... somehow ?

How? HOW can it be useful for them?! Everyone who is opposed to this remains awfully vague as to how discussing this would benefit scum.

Here's what I think: Going through this is going to help us determine how many PRs there are and against what we are playing. Both things that the mafia already knows. I seriously doubt that this will hurt us.

How are we going to determine how many PRs there are short of claiming PR/non-PR? Do you really trust scum to tell us what they actually picked?

[faust]

I think I agree with Robz here. I don't see what would be gained by a theory discussion in this setup, it seems like all we'd be doing is giving mafia info about what we think they've done, which I'm sure can be useful to them... somehow ?

How? HOW can it be useful for them?! Everyone who is opposed to this remains awfully vague as to how discussing this would benefit scum.

Here's what I think: Going through this is going to help us determine how many PRs there are and against what we are playing. Both things that the mafia already knows. I seriously doubt that this will hurt us.

How are we going to determine how many PRs there are short of claiming PR/non-PR? Do you really trust scum to tell us what they actually picked?

We may be able to conclude stuff from the result of this. Say everyone agrees that choosing exactly one scum power is bad. If everyone agrees on this, chances are the mafia came to the same conclusion (even if they lied about it). This makes it highly unlikely that town has exactly 3 PRs.

[Jorbles]

Oh hey the game started! I'm busy most of today, but I'll catchup tomorrow.

[Robz888]

Okay, here's how it helps scum:

If I say, "Well, I really don't think scum would put in X, but tey really wouldn't add Y," and then ashersky says, "No Robz, don't know about X but I can definitely see them using Y." Well, then the mafia know that I probably don't have power Y, but might indeed have power X, and reverse for ashersky. So it ends up helping mafia narrow down who might have which PR. Unless we deliberately lie about what PRs we think are int he game, in order to throww off mafia, but then that defeats the purpose of even talking about it. Make sense?

[Teproc]

Um, I think you read the setup wrong Robz. Mafia doesn't choose the PRs town has, it chooses it's own PRs and then town gets X PRs, where X is the number of PRs mafia took.

[Robz888]

Um, I think you read the setup wrong Robz. Mafia doesn't choose the PRs town has, it chooses it's own PRs and then town gets X PRs, where X is the number of PRs mafia took.

Okay, yeah you're right.

On the plus side, this makes me an IC now, yes?

[Jimmmmm]

Um, I think you read the setup wrong Robz. Mafia doesn't choose the PRs town has, it chooses it's own PRs and then town gets X PRs, where X is the number of PRs mafia took.

Okay, yeah you're right.

On the plus side, this makes me an IC now, yes?

You're claiming IC status?

[Jimmmmm]

Um, I think you read the setup wrong Robz. Mafia doesn't choose the PRs town has, it chooses it's own PRs and then town gets X PRs, where X is the number of PRs mafia took.

Okay, yeah you're right.

On the plus side, this makes me an IC now, yes?

You're claiming IC status?

Because the act of claiming IC status nullifies any Town points you may have otherwise received.

[Robz888]

Um, I think you read the setup wrong Robz. Mafia doesn't choose the PRs town has, it chooses it's own PRs and then town gets X PRs, where X is the number of PRs mafia took.

Okay, yeah you're right.

On the plus side, this makes me an IC now, yes?

You're claiming IC status?

Because the act of claiming IC status nullifies any Town points you may have otherwise received.

Discrediting the IC! This is Voltaire's fullproof way of finding scum.

What a laughably easy Day 1. Vote: Jimm

[mcmcsalot]

Um, I think you read the setup wrong Robz. Mafia doesn't choose the PRs town has, it chooses it's own PRs and then town gets X PRs, where X is the number of PRs mafia took.

Okay, yeah you're right.

On the plus side, this makes me an IC now, yes?

You're claiming IC status?

Because the act of claiming IC status nullifies any Town points you may have otherwise received.

Discrediting the IC! This is Voltaire's fullproof way of finding scum.

What a laughably easy Day 1. Vote: Jimm

I like it! vote: jimm

[Teproc]

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of what Rob just did. Trying to get town points for not knowing the setup, and then acting all jokey about it when called out ? I think that's enough for a vote: Robz actually.

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of what Rob just did. Trying to get town points for not knowing the setup, and then acting all jokey about it when called out ? I think that's enough for a vote: Robz actually.

How serious do you think he is?

[Jimmmmm]

And by that I mean, do you think he actually thinks he deserves Town points, and does he actually think I'm scummy for not giving them to him?

[Teproc]

I think he was serious about deserving town points, but not about you being scummy for not giving them.

[Robz888]

I think he was serious about deserving town points, but not about you being scummy for not giving them.

In fact, the opposite.