Interactions with ash :
manda :
#897 : During the Jimmmm/ash fight early day 2. I linked it because I don't even get what she was saying there, but it might be relevant.
#1049 : When ash notices that mcmc forgot the "scum/scum" option, she calls it a "really good and interesting point", but says it's not enough for a vote (on mcmc).
#1247 : Late day 2, after everyone claimed, says she was convinced ash fakeclaimed while at first but isn't sure anymore.
That's it. #1247 is the most relevant : she still wasn't sure after ash got counterclaimed by Walrus ? Seems crazy, but maybe she thought she might actually get Jimmmmm lynched first ?
mcmc :
#335: Votes for ash (2), sheeping Voltaire's vote about ash being in the background. Finds the idea that ash's plan was just asking everyone about what PRs they would have taken unlikely.
#380 : Unvotes (1), saying he responded townie and believes ash is "less domineering" on purpose, but that doesn't indicate his alignment.
#578 : Disagrees with ash that 2.7's claim is a bad one to make as scum.
#681: After ash calls him an actilurker, says actilurking isn't the same thing as being in the middle of the post count, and implies that he (and myself, who was also included in the actilurkers) has been contributing.
#693: Ash responds to #681 by saying actilurking isn't necessarily scummy, mcmc finds that "reasonable".
#756 : popsquiz : ash is in the "won't lynch" category.
#957 : About the whole ash/Walrus thing early day 2 : finds Walrus scummy and ash null.
#959 : Scum read on ash for wagon analysis which is pointless because of WIFOM.
#978 : Says it's equally possible that the Jimmm/ash fight is town/town, scum/town or town/scum. This is the post where he omits the scum/scum possibility.
#1036 : Says scum/scum would not make sense, but is possible, just doubtful.
The early vote on ash is very safe, as it is justified by meta reasons (which is why I hate those). He also unvotes very quickly after ash responds. That's pretty scummy to me : it makes sure that the meta argument (ash is less active/doesn't have a plan) is being adressed and artificially makes ash look townie when mcmc says his response was townie. It also allows mcmc to safely have ash in the "won't lynch" category at the end of day 1.
The scum/scum omission is interesting here. That seems like a mistake a scumpartner could very easily do : they know for a fact that the argument is scum vs town, but obviously don't want to forget the town/town possibility, because going after Jimmmm would look like a chainsaw defense. The scum/scum possibility however, is completely forgotten because it doesn't really give ash's partner anything. It is a possibility that only paranoid town (ie any town) thinks about. His response to that is pretty much a simple hand-wave, admitting that it's possible but unlikely.
Voltaire :
#284 : Disagrees with ash finding manda scummy, saying that hedging isn't really scummy.
#334 : Votes ashersky (1) : in the background, hasn't responded to faust's plan.
#348/350 : Says ash is purposefully less active here, but it isn't indicative of his alignment.
#354 : Seems to respond well to ash's response, but doesn't remove his vote.
#576 : Says ash is "behaving like his scuper-scummy self that always turns out to be town", but still likes hiv vote on him.
#592 : reiterates that ash is scummy.
#624 : Doesn't see ash's case on Walrus at all.
#755 : popsquiz: ash in his "would lynch"
#811/815 : Wonders if ash is rolefishing with the discussion about Robz not screaming that vigs shouldn't shoot night 1.
#926 : Early day 2, says ash is hardcore tunneling on Jimmmm
#947 : Insane POE where ash (along with four others) is crossed off his lynch pool.
#949 : Says ash is behaving like town!ash
#1163 : After Jimmmm claimed, but before Walrus did, wants to lynch Jimmmm first because Roleblocker is more valuable than Goon Cop
#1166 : Says the Jimmm/ash situation could be a scum/scum gambit because ash is ash.
#1182 : After Walrus counterclaims, unsure if it means ash is scum.
#1185 : Votes ashersky, realizing that a Jimmmm/Walrus scumteam would be outed immediately by ash's flip.
His vote on ash day 1 is very safe (see above), but he doesn't unvote when he has the opporutnity to unlike mcmc. #354 is where I would expect scum!Voltaire to unvote his partner for reasons explained above.
What looks bad here is his attitude after the Jimmmmm claimed, first wanting to lynch Jimmmmm then unsure if Walrus's counterclaim means we should lynch ash. Apparently, everyone thought his argument for lynching Jimmmm was awesome though ?
So I guess it looks bad for all of them, but mostly for mcmc I think. I'll reread mcmc next (probably not tonight) but if I had to choose between him and Voltaire right now, I'd vote for him.
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