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[ashersky]

I believe you both would have been POE candidates today.  You were both already under pressure early in the game.  You had to try something, and this fake claim plan was it.  It is awesome.  Ballsy.  Bravo for trying.

Getting caught out on a fake claim is part of fake claiming.  You don't ever expect to survive it.  So getting 3 guaranteed town kills in exchange for losing possibly two of three scum partners in the mid game is acceptable.

You could argue that you are town, even when I flip town.  Misunderstood results, role, etc.  Plenty of opportunities for misdirection, as you'll get to live two more days.

So you're saying that me/Walrus/X thought we were so screwed that we would be the next three lynches?

There's your boldface lie.  When did I say screwed?  Or so screwed?  Or that you'd be the next three lynches?

You were both under enough pressure that it was worth the gambit.  And it is paying off for you, if you can get this mislynch through.  If you get the rest of town to lynch me, all you need is your third to stay safe and it's a guaranteed win for you.

[ashersky]

You could argue that you are town, even when I flip town.  Misunderstood results, role, etc.  Plenty of opportunities for misdirection, as you'll get to live two more days.

Nope. I've double, triple, quadruple checked my result PM. It mentions your name, and the word "Goon" in bold without negation.

If you are Town, I am scum. I'll put that on the record:

If ashersky flips Town I will self-vote immediately the next Day and never post in this game again.

Easy to say now.  Hard to believe you'd follow through.

[ashersky]

You could argue that you are town, even when I flip town.  Misunderstood results, role, etc.  Plenty of opportunities for misdirection, as you'll get to live two more days.

Nope. I've double, triple, quadruple checked my result PM. It mentions your name, and the word "Goon" in bold without negation.

If you are Town, I am scum. I'll put that on the record:

If ashersky flips Town I will self-vote immediately the next Day and never post in this game again.

Easy to say now.  Hard to believe you'd follow through.

Also, smart move.  Takes attention from walrus and gives you an excuse not to bus.

[Jimmmmm]

On self-votes, I don't know if you have.  But your argument, not mine, was that optimal town play was for the town PR to self-vote.  If that's your argument, why aren't you doing it as a "town pr"?

Sigh. I guess there's no point asking you to stop misrepresenting me.

You are misrepresenting ME by getting me mislynched through your gambit!

I mean, I said that if you were Town what you would do is self-vote knowing that it will catch two scum. That's your Town meta.
You said that I said that optimal play is for a PR to self-vote. That's just a bold-face lie.

Go read your post again. You said self lyching catches two scum. Is that not optimal?  I made that leapt of logic from your post. 

Of course, you don't actually think catching two scum is optimal, because you are scum.

Please. You're not really this thick.

YOU being lynched would catch 2 scum if you're Town. YOU. The guy named ashersky. The guy who repeatedly self-votes when receiving any suspicion at all and has strongly made the point that he will sacrifice himself to catch scum. I never said anything about optimality, I said THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE TOWN. You. Do you understand?

I, me, the guy named Jimmmmm have never demonstrated the above tendencies and would not do it. I would try my hardest to lynch the person who I know is scum. Which is you. If you're Town you know two scum, being lynched would confirm 2 scum. I know one scum, being lynched confirms one scum. In neither situation is it optimal to lynch Town today. I want to lynch you, because you are scum.

[Jimmmmm]

I believe you both would have been POE candidates today.  You were both already under pressure early in the game.  You had to try something, and this fake claim plan was it.  It is awesome.  Ballsy.  Bravo for trying.

Getting caught out on a fake claim is part of fake claiming.  You don't ever expect to survive it.  So getting 3 guaranteed town kills in exchange for losing possibly two of three scum partners in the mid game is acceptable.

You could argue that you are town, even when I flip town.  Misunderstood results, role, etc.  Plenty of opportunities for misdirection, as you'll get to live two more days.

So you're saying that me/Walrus/X thought we were so screwed that we would be the next three lynches?

There's your boldface lie.  When did I say screwed?  Or so screwed?  Or that you'd be the next three lynches?

You were both under enough pressure that it was worth the gambit.  And it is paying off for you, if you can get this mislynch through.  If you get the rest of town to lynch me, all you need is your third to stay safe and it's a guaranteed win for you.

Having 2 scum lynched in the next three Days is only a good result for scum if the alternative is having all 3 scum lynched in the next three Days. Thus scum would only out themselves to guarantee a single mislynch if they thought they were screwed enough to all be lynched in a row.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

No, YOU'RE the greatest scum gambit in f.ds history!

[Jimmmmm]

I mean, does anyone actually believe that would be good play? For scum to out 2 out of their 3 in order to secure a single mislynch?

[faust]

Everything ashersky would make me even more sure that he is scum, if I wasn't already 100% sure. There's no use in arguing with him, Jimmmmm. It only takes away the attention from the topics we should be discussing.

[Teproc]

Everything ashersky would make me even more sure that he is scum, if I wasn't already 100% sure. There's no use in arguing with him, Jimmmmm. It only takes away the attention from the topics we should be discussing.

My thoughts exactly. This all seems pointless and might very well be engineered to make Jimmmmm into an IC after ash flips.

[faust]

Can we get a prod on mcmc?

[faust]

Eek. Ahhh. What to think. I was pretty convinced ash had fake claimed as I was skimming it but now I'm just not sure.

manda, I need you to post more than this. Seriously. Answer my question as a start.

[faust]

Voltaire
Robz
manda
Teproc
mcmc

Why is Teproc scummy?

[faust]

Robz
manda
mcmcsalot
Voltaire
Teproc

Same question to you. Also, what do you think of the lurkers, manda and mcmc? What makes them unlikely to be scum?

[faust]

Voltaire
manda
mcmcsalot
Robz

Haven't really had time to reevaluate after the claims though.

Can you summarize your case on Robz? Also, why is Voltaire town?

[Teproc]

I'll note that I haven't really had time to reevaluate since Jimmmmm, ash and Walrus claimed.

Robz basically had a very scummy day 1 : the exchange with Jimmmmm, disappearing when under pressure, which is not at all what he did in GoT as town, his justification of the Jorbles wagon as a "semi-random lynch", leading the Morgrim wagon (along with ash, interestingly enough).

Day 2 he's been V/LA until recently and then a bunch of stuff happpened so I haven't gone back to him, but he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, basically. I also think there might be something in his interactions with ash, but that calls for a reread (assuming ash does flip scum).

Voltaire is just playing much the same way he was in GoT I feel. I haven't really thought once "well this is scummy" when he posted, which is more than I can say for any of the other people on the "unclaimed" list. I didn't like his arguments for lynching Jimmmmm after he claimed but that's about it basically.

[Twistedarcher]

Can we get a prod on mcmc?

Prod Issued.

Yuma has been away from the forums for a few days. Hopefully he'll be back soon, but the game will keep going on regardless.

[Voltaire]

And why exactly have we not lynched ashersky?

[Robz888]

I know mcmc has an upcoming week-long no access period, but I don't think it's started yet.

Yeah, I think it's fine to lynch ashersky now.

[Robz888]

vote: ashersky if I am not already.

[Twistedarcher]

Vote Count 2.6

ashersky (5): Jimmmmm, Teproc, Walrus, Voltaire, Robz {L-1}
Jimmmmm (2): mcmc, Ashersky

Not Voting (3): manda, 2.7, faust

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Day2 will end December 15 at 6:00 pm forum time.

[2.71828.....]

Jimmmmmm, Walrus, Ashersky

If Ash is town, Jimmmm and Walrus are scum.

If Ash is scum, we get a good lynch in.

hammer time

vote: Ashersky

[Twistedarcher]

Vote Count 2.Final

ashersky (6): Jimmmmm, Teproc, Walrus, Voltaire, Robz, 2.7
Jimmmmm (2): mcmc, Ashersky

Not Voting (2): manda,faust

With 10 alive it took 6 to lynch.

Twilight for a bit.

[Jimmmmm]

Everything ashersky would make me even more sure that he is scum, if I wasn't already 100% sure. There's no use in arguing with him, Jimmmmm. It only takes away the attention from the topics we should be discussing.

I know, you're right. I got sucked into it a bit.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Is it worth announcing whom I will roleblock tonight, just in case I die? Or better to keep it secret for now?

[Teproc]

Well if they recruited that's really bad, so I'd say no.