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[mcmcsalot]

Peeps need to join that faust game.

ill join when im not in both blitz and newbie mafia

[EFHW]

Maybe mail-mi could run his game with 1 less person. 

Innovation II is ready whenever. 

[mail-mi]

Maybe mail-mi could run his game with 1 less person. 

Innovation II is ready whenever.

It is full and in N0. You could probably open yours.

[ashersky]

EFHW should open her RMM game now.

I'll open Monsters University eventually.

[EFHW]

Innovation II

[Archetype]

Hey, should I open up my BM game? Role PMs and everything are already good to go.

[mail-mi]

Hey, should I open up my BM game? Role PMs and everything are already good to go.

i say go for it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think that after the games I'm currently wind down, I'd like to jump in on the whole modding thing. How should I go about doing that? I should co-mod with a more experienced player first, right?

[ashersky]

I think that after the games I'm currently wind down, I'd like to jump in on the whole modding thing. How should I go about doing that? I should co-mod with a more experienced player first, right?

Yes, you should back-up/co-mod a game with an experienced mod.

[yuma]

I think that after the games I'm currently wind down, I'd like to jump in on the whole modding thing. How should I go about doing that? I should co-mod with a more experienced player first, right?

You would be welcome to back me up in X-Men and X-shots! I don't think you are currently signed up for it and I could use another eye just to look over the general premise.

Let me know and I can send you the mod QT.

[scott_pilgrim]

Can I be added to the RMM queue?

Also, I guess I should also get experience co-modding before I mod my own game?  Is there another mod looking for a co-mod (I would be happy to co-mod for yuma but I guess ADK should get first pick at that since he asked first)?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would like to jump in as co-mod for X-Men, actually. Sorry to steal your spot, scott.

[scott_pilgrim]

I would like to jump in as co-mod for X-Men, actually. Sorry to steal your spot, scott.

No problem!

[ashersky]

Can I be added to the RMM queue?

Also, I guess I should also get experience co-modding before I mod my own game?  Is there another mod looking for a co-mod (I would be happy to co-mod for yuma but I guess ADK should get first pick at that since he asked first)?

You can, as the RMM wait is long.

New mods need to co-mod with an experience mod first, then mod a regular game, then an RMM game.

[scott_pilgrim]

Can I be added to the RMM queue?

Also, I guess I should also get experience co-modding before I mod my own game?  Is there another mod looking for a co-mod (I would be happy to co-mod for yuma but I guess ADK should get first pick at that since he asked first)?

You can, as the RMM wait is long.

New mods need to co-mod with an experience mod first, then mod a regular game, then an RMM game.

Ah, okay

[Voltaire]

New mods need to co-mod with an experience mod first, then mod a regular game, then an RMM game.

Wait, really? Says who? I have no problem with people's first mod game being RMM. Hell, mine was and no-one seemed to care. They key is just to have an experienced player/mod look over the setup, or maybe co-mod with them.

[ashersky]

New mods need to co-mod with an experience mod first, then mod a regular game, then an RMM game.

Wait, really? Says who? I have no problem with people's first mod game being RMM. Hell, mine was and no-one seemed to care. They key is just to have an experienced player/mod look over the setup, or maybe co-mod with them.

Well, it's my opinion.  A lot of people like game design, etc., but then it comes to really balancing a game, being around for vote counts, prods, etc., maintaining QTs, and on and on.

I think some experience is worthwhile before attempting the more difficult stuff.

[yuma]

New mods need to co-mod with an experience mod first, then mod a regular game, then an RMM game.

Wait, really? Says who? I have no problem with people's first mod game being RMM. Hell, mine was and no-one seemed to care. They key is just to have an experienced player/mod look over the setup, or maybe co-mod with them.

I think I agree with this part... If someone isn't interested in fully running a normal setup I don't think we should force them to do that. I think I would be personally more likely to sign up for a RMM game by someone who has modded before but shouldn't necessarily be a general requirement

[yuma]

by that I mean I agree with Voltaire, that experience can be gained via being a co-mod I think... which shouldn't be hard to get given how long the RMM queue is

[ashersky]

Well, there's obviously no forcing of anything.

I've modded 16 games here, so speaking from my own experience and perspective, I think fully modding a game on your own is different than comodding.  I think getting a simple game or two under your belt before creating a Role Madness setup is prudent and useful.

I certainly think my own game design has improved since LOTR1.

[scott_pilgrim]

Hmm...I mean, the reason I'm interested in modding is because I think the set-up I've come up with is unique and should be really interesting (and it fits super-well with the flavor, which I'm also excited about).  So I'm not really excited about modding a normal game, though I guess I wouldn't really mind it, but I guess I'm not sure that's really a necessary hoop to jump through.  My RMM game is pretty simple, nothing crazy or confusing rules-wise, no invented roles, of course I can't be sure about the balance but I'm pretty sure at least that there's no game-breaking strategies, I had gotten some feedback from yuma before and he seemed to think it looked reasonable.

And yeah I figured I would have some more general mafia experience anyway by the time I actually got to the front of the queue given how long it is.  I agree co-modding would be good practice for me before running my own game.

[Voltaire]

If the concern is the new mod being around for vote counts, locking, etc. and not messing that up

1. co-modding will have already given them experience
2. really it's not that hard, I don't think we need to under-sell people
3. having a co-mod for the new mod also solves this

I say it's 100% ok for people's first game to be RMM.

[ashersky]

If the concern is the new mod being around for vote counts, locking, etc. and not messing that up

1. co-modding will have already given them experience
2. really it's not that hard, I don't think we need to under-sell people
3. having a co-mod for the new mod also solves this

I say it's 100% ok for people's first game to be RMM.

I'm not into public arguments that might hurt feelings.  We can continue via PM if you want, or not.  We can just agree to disagree.

[Voltaire]

We're not having a public argument, at least not in my mind - I'm making a case for why I think it's ok for new mods to start with RMM if they want. You disagree and you keep the queue, so you really do get final say in this, so if I've failed to convince you that's that.

[Jimmmmm]

We're not having a public argument, at least not in my mind - I'm making a case for why I think it's ok for new mods to start with RMM if they want. You disagree and you keep the queue, so you really do get final say in this, so if I've failed to convince you that's that.

I strongly disagree that ash has any more authority than anyone else. If someone wants to run a game, no one has any right to say that they simply can't.

I think this is a matter of what's a good idea and what's not, rather than what's allowed and what's not. I do think it's a good idea to at co-mod a normal game before running an invented game, and any new mod would probably do well to follow that advice. But if they want to just dive into their own game, good for them.