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Why I like Dominion
« on: October 27, 2013, 08:21:34 am »
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When I read game reports, combo reports, quick victories and some terminology all you experts have given the cards ("terminal"? anyone) I get the burning desire to say the following to anyone who will listen.  This forum seems the place.

What I like most about playing Dominion?  I don't often work it out.  Call me stupid or blind or thick - whatever - but I very rarely look at a Kingdom layout and go "ah...if I get that card, and that card, then in 10 moves I'll have x cash and I'll be buying Provinces and winning".  Of course I see odd combinations, but rarely does a Eureka moment strike and I can see just how I will - not might - win.  And that's what I like.  I never want that moment where it all just clicks and I can see how to beat the game.  For me, that breaks the game and there would be little point in playing again.  Like Monopoly - if you get Mayfair and Park Lane, you're probably going to win.  Not always, but enough to  make other players give up.  I know there are expert players probably laughing at my ineptitude.  Well, I don't care that I can't see a win in 8 - 10 turns.  For me, every game really is different, every game really is something new as I continue to discover all the intricacies, twists, turns and curve balls the cards can bring.  It really is true that there are no bad cards, these forums teach me that, there are just cards that work best at certain times and get in the way at others - and I keep discovering that.  My small group of three all play the same - we'd be rubbish at a tournament with all you guys - but we have lots of fun.  And like Charlie says when I tell them about a "killer" combo I've read about - it still has to come out in the shuffle, so there's never any guarantee.  Yes, you can try to shape you deck to increase the odds of it coming out, (I still think trashing is a pretty neat idea LOL) but in the meantime, someone has started buying Provinces and you're not ready.  Gods, I can't even card count so I don't recall who has bought what - so even the final reveal is a surprise for me.  Because of this, and the lack of a Monoploy-moment, I reckon I have more fun than any of the experts out there.  Yup, you'd slaughter me and laugh at me with a fast win.....but do I care?  Nah, because I'm getting more out the game than you ever will.  Hurrah for ignorance, it truly is bliss!
I have Dominion Basic, Intrigue and also Prosperity.  Enough cards, variety and mixes to last me a lifetime.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2013, 11:08:50 am »
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I think you're assuming that studying Dominion turns it into a solved game. If that were the case, then there's no way this community would still be around. There isn't a "Tic-Tac-Toe" strategy forum for a reason. I don't think anyone has had a moment when they "see how to beat the game." On certain boards expert players might be almost certain that a specific strategy is the way to go, but even then execution is extremely important. This is not a perfect information game like chess, one doesn't "see a win in 8-10 turns." If you prefer to play by buying things and figuring it out as you go along, and that works for you, great!

However, it's extremely presumptuous to say that your way is better, and that you must be having more fun than those of us who prefer playing with a different mindset. You don't know me. How can you possibly say that you're getting more out of this game than I ever will?

Also, did you really just compare Dominion to Monopoly? Oh god, if I ever felt in Dominion like I'd had a "Monopoly moment" (whatever that is) I would stop playing immediately.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 11:12:12 am »
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You're not alone. I think moat of us were drawn to Dominion in the first place for the reasons that you describe. I also disagree that the experts know how to "solve" a game. Players here can engineer boards that can be won in 10 turns, but won't know how to do so on a typical board.

The fun-sucking certainty you describe is something I associate with Chess or Checkers or RTS games like StarCraft and WH40K:Dawn of War, but not Dominion. Typically, a player will know that they've got on only when there are a few turns left. How can one be certain of victory at the start of a game when they are at the mercy of shuffle luck (hey, there's some forum lingo). Best they can do is identify the strongest strategies.

For this reason, I continue to be fascinated by Dominion, because with so much variation we can never be true masters of the game.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 11:32:58 am »
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I think moat of us were drawn to Dominion

Particularly Ozle.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 11:43:06 am »
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Also, did you really just compare Dominion to Monopoly? Oh god, if I ever felt in Dominion like I'd had a "Monopoly moment" (whatever that is) I would stop playing immediately.
KC-Masquerade-Goons would probably be that.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2013, 12:02:45 pm »
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I think moat of us were drawn to Dominion

Particularly Ozle.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 12:05:51 pm »
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I just want to say I applaud you and yours getting so much out of Dominion. Whatever you bring to the table, however much you dedicate to the game, we all love and enjoy the same game in our own way. Let's rejoice in the common bond instead of belittling each other's differing preferences. May you never forget to leave out your Duration card for next turn.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 03:28:41 pm »
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For me, every game really is different, every game really is something new as I continue to discover all the intricacies, twists, turns and curve balls the cards can bring.
That's true for experts too and is why people keep playing. (Well okay, there are sometimes games with no interesting decisions, but that's pretty rare. Even when the strategy is obvious, there's usually something interesting in how you go about it.)

I guess I wish you had phrased your post less condescendingly, because otherwise it's a nice summary of why Dominion is such a fun game.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2013, 04:11:09 pm »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?  How will I react if my opponent does this?"  The fact that Dominion admits this kind of deep strategical thinking is what keeps me coming back to it after years of playing.  Of course, there are lots of interesting decisions between there and the game over - I think I'm improving at forcing an ending when I'm ahead, for instance - but the sort of large picture view that you don't seem to be interested in is the main draw for me.

So yeah, it's great that Dominion can appeal differently to different people. 
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2013, 04:15:26 pm »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2013, 04:19:58 pm »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes. 
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2013, 04:52:33 pm »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2013, 06:18:38 pm »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
If you have perfec shuffle luck, why don't you just end the game on turn 3?
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2013, 09:39:10 pm »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
scavenger works better
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 02:58:44 am »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
scavenger works better
Not really, it doesn't matter when you have the perfect shuffle luck.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 04:19:24 am »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
scavenger works better
Not really, it doesn't matter when you have the perfect shuffle luck.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2013, 07:24:56 am »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
scavenger works better
Not really, it doesn't matter when you have the perfect shuffle luck.
Opposing Governor-as-Remodel, final turn.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 09:42:44 am »
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Probably the thing I enjoy most about dominion is what happens before my first buy, when I look at the board and think, "what is the fastest way to a win here?"
Shouldn't you think "what is the most reliable way to a win here?" instead?
yes.

The fastest way to win is "buy chancellor and money and hope for perfect shuffle-luck" :p
scavenger works better
Not really, it doesn't matter when you have the perfect shuffle luck.
Actually thinking a little longer, you are right.  With perfect shuffle luck, you start chancellor/silver, buy a silver (or gold) turn 3, then a province every turn after that with chancellor/silver/silver(gold)/copper/copper. Scavenger would actually hurt your shuffle luck because you would be forced to put a copper back on top of your deck.  (but still, with perfect luck either one works)
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 12:33:43 pm »
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With perfect shuffle luck, better to open Chancellor/Coppersmith, and start buying Provinces on turn 3.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2013, 01:28:47 pm »
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With perfect shuffle luck, better to open Chancellor/Coppersmith, and start buying Provinces on turn 3.

You'd be "only" buying Provinces every other turn (you can only buy Prov if you play Coppersmith, therefore, you don't get to play Chancellor).
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 01:53:02 pm »
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With perfect shuffle luck, better to open Chancellor/Coppersmith, and start buying Provinces on turn 3.

You'd be "only" buying Provinces every other turn (you can only buy Prov if you play Coppersmith, therefore, you don't get to play Chancellor).

Darn 1-action per turn rule!  :-[
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2013, 02:27:40 pm »
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I don't know why you bashed on terminology. I could say "An action card that doesn't give +1Action" or just "Terminal." That like saying you enjoy physics "But what is a force? I'm no expert, I just enjoy pushing things and it bugs me that people gave names to this!"
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2013, 03:00:11 pm »
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May you never forget to leave out your Duration card for next turn.

Don't worry. He doesn't have Seaside (yet)!
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2013, 03:50:48 pm »
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With perfect shuffle luck, better to open Chancellor/Coppersmith, and start buying Provinces on turn 3.

You'd be "only" buying Provinces every other turn (you can only buy Prov if you play Coppersmith, therefore, you don't get to play Chancellor).

Darn 1-action per turn rule!  :-[
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2013, 04:52:42 pm »
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Well...my little ol' opinion and need to just say stuff to (I thought) a like-minded crowd certainly pushed some buttons.  It was never my intent to seem condescending or imply "my way" is better than anyone else's.  It's just that - my way.  It is better for me, maybe not for you, or you, or you.  Some of you took this as a personal attack - it was never meant.  I had some thoughts on the game and I hoped fellow Dominion players would understand those thoughts.  Experienced players who would understand and appreciate.  Unlike a video game, where inexperienced players are insultingly labelled "newbie" and mercilessly shot / run over / pounded on, I hoped the Dominion community was a little more open to debate and opposing ideas.  Instead I get "you don't know me".  Passive aggressive much.  There you go, no doubt you can have a go at that one too.  That this forum has turned into a debate on which combos are best has made my point.  Killer combos, that card mix where you can see winning moves?  I don't see them until I've worked at it.  And for me - just me and the people I play with - that works best.  But that's just me.  Be pleased, all of you, that you don't have to play with me because it looks like a few of you would get quite frustrated with me.  *sigh*  And I wondered why I never contributed to a forum before.....
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2013, 04:59:58 pm »
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It's not that people think you implied your way is better than theirs, you outright said it was.

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Nah, because I'm getting more out the game than you ever will.  Hurrah for ignorance, it truly is bliss!

No one is trying to fault you for enjoying the game your way. And while you made some good points which seem to be appreciated, the above quote is one example of where you crossed the line.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2013, 05:13:16 pm »
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Jonts said everything that has to be said about this, just one more thing:
I didn't answer here before because this thread felt (and still feels) a lot like feeding a troll. Probably it's not even true, don't know, if not you  might think of on how you want to contribute to your next forum, but starting here first post ever with a provokant post, kind of mildly insulting most of the expected users or at least stating that you are in some sense 'better' than they; not reappearing for 32 hours (how interested could you have been in a serious discussion?); complaining that people have not be kind enough to you (which they, given parts of your posts, have been) ... I don't know, I'm sorry, if it smells like a troll ...

Not sure if this is helpfull, probably not, anyway...
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2013, 05:20:05 pm »
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2013, 05:26:30 pm »
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What I like most about playing Dominion?  I don't often work it out.  Call me stupid or blind or thick - whatever - but I very rarely look at a Kingdom layout and go "ah...if I get that card, and that card, then in 10 moves I'll have x cash and I'll be buying Provinces and winning".

I'm going to label you all three of those without reservation if you seem to think that even expert players can play Dominion with that amount of certainty.

EDIT: and of course posting on a forum dedicated to developing Dominion strategy that ignorance is a better way to play the game will elicit a negative response. You would have to be incredibly foolish to think otherwise. We've sunk thousands of hours into playing and analyzing the game, deriving an incredible amount of fun along the way. Who are you to say otherwise?
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2013, 05:31:56 pm »
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2013, 06:03:21 pm »
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To be honest I did not expect a thread titled "Why I Like Dominion" to have so many negative comments.  :-\

Especially since this is also why I like Dominion:

What I like most about playing Dominion? ... For me, every game really is different, every game really is something new as I continue to discover all the intricacies, twists, turns and curve balls the cards can bring

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....even the final reveal is a surprise for me.

I get a thrill from a little uncertainty in points, too. This is why I dislike the point counter (unless I'm watching TV). 

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I have Dominion Basic, Intrigue, and Prosperity. Enough cards, variety and mixes to last me a lifetime.

With some of my friends we actually limit the game to Dominion, Intrigue, and Prosperity (even on Goko and even though I own more sets), because that is enough cards, variety, and mixes to last a lifetime of casual Dominion playing and minimizes the amount of time reading/learning new cards.

So, I get it -- even if the tone of the opening post is off.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2013, 06:43:26 pm »
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Base + Intrigue + Prosperity is a good mix.  Allows for a good variety of games without some of the more complicated cards. 
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2013, 07:12:46 pm »
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Something else that should be pointed out is that probably most of the people posting in this thread are familiar both with the way that the OP plays Dominion, and with playing Dominion at the much more competitive level, whereas the OP has only tried playing it his way.  Granted, I think that Dominion is a very fun casual game, but as someone who has played it extensively casually and then later played it competitively, I feel like it would be fair for me to say that I enjoy competitive Dominion more than casual Dominion.  The OP asserts that casual Dominion is better without having tried competitive Dominion.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying casual Dominion is a lot of fun - I strongly agree with this statement, and if you had left it at that, I think this thread would have been much more positive and not turn into what it did.  The trouble is that you claimed that it's actually better than competitive Dominion, which you haven't tried.  You make assumptions about competitive Dominion that just aren't true ("seeing a win" just doesn't happen, ever, like even two turns ahead).  It would be like if I claimed to a bunch of chefs that cheese pizza is objectively better than pepperoni pizza, when I only have a vague conception of what pepperoni is, and have never tasted it.  You have to understand why some of the posters here were frustrated with your post.

I'm getting more out the game than you ever will.

This may be what offended people the most.  Even if casual Dominion is better than competitive Dominion, I think you are still wrong in asserting that you have gotten more out of the game than those who play it competitively.  That's because most competitive players started out by playing Dominion casually for as long as they possibly could, and then naturally just progressed to a competitive level.  I don't think it's possible to stay at a casual level forever, because whether you try to or not, you will naturally start learning how different cards and combinations play out and generally how to play the game well.  When you get to that point, you can either face the fact you are now a competitive Dominion player, and start diving deeper into it; or you can stop playing Dominion altogether.  Many of the people who are posting on these forums are the people who got the maximum possible amount of fun out of casual Dominion, and then transitioned to getting fun out of competitive Dominion.  To say that you get more out of Dominion than us is arrogant and short-sighted.

So, if you are still reading this thread, then you should keep playing Dominion the way that you play it.  There's nothing wrong with that, and if that's how you have fun, then no one's going to stop you.  If you eventually decide that you cannot play a game of Dominion at the casual level anymore (that you have become "good" enough at the game that you automatically play at a competitive level, which will happen eventually if you play long enough), then these forums exist to help accelerate the rate at which your skill level grows.  And if you don't want help from the forums, you don't have to read them; there are some posters here that I know have specifically stated that they don't like to read articles on new cards because they would rather learn the cards themselves.  That is a totally valid way to learn the game, and if that's fun for you, then by all means, continue playing like that.

I don't think anyone's responses were more condescending of you than your post was of us, so I don't think there's any need for you to be offended.  I do hope, though, that you don't become discouraged from posting on forums in general, just because of the responses you got to this thread.  Instead, I think the take away from that should be that you need to be more careful with how you word the things that you post.
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Re: Why I like Dominion
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2013, 08:07:07 pm »
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Thank you, scott_pilgrim, for a very erudite, well-put reply.  I concede all points made.  My apologies to all.  as scott_pilgrim points out, I shall be more careful in future.  it is too easy to offend, not something I actually wanted to do.  I'm not a "troll" I use a computer all day every day at work so avoid it sometimes at home - hence the delay.  I never meant to plant a controversial bomb and walk away.  I do feel I - just me - do get an awful lot out of the game because I play the way I do.  It's a very personal thing and I see that now from many of the responses in this forum. :-[

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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2013, 08:27:24 pm »
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I'm glad this turned out for the best :) Unlike the min set contest which has turned into a bunch of people whining that they aren't popular.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2013, 08:29:03 pm »
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I did not get troll vibes off the OP, but I feel compelled to highlight another friend of Captain Vimes:

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2013, 08:41:18 pm »
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I don't know what this is...
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2013, 08:42:09 pm »
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I'm pretty sure this is a troll.
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2013, 08:44:52 pm »
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Looks more like a stone giant or something.
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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2013, 09:21:09 pm »
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I don't know what this is...

http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Detritus

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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2013, 09:29:00 pm »
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Ah. I only ever read "Interesting Times," so I don't know all the characters.
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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2013, 12:15:54 am »
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I don't get it. Everyone is talking about how this thread generated a lot of negativity, but I don't see much negativity here. Most posters were actually abnormally positive. I mostly see a derailed topic that discussed perfect shuffle luck and combos and stuff here.
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2013, 01:22:07 pm »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2013, 01:29:37 pm »
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I was thinking: probably half of the reason I like dominion is this forum.
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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2013, 03:52:35 pm »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
I'd only say ten of those are identical. One of them has that extra blue stuff on the back. Great for putting your hot beverage down on while reading through this forum.
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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2013, 05:52:35 pm »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
I'd only say ten of those are identical. One of them has that extra blue stuff on the back. Great for putting your hot beverage down on while reading through this forum.

When they are all covered in tea they look very much alike!

I tell you what though they do a great job of protecting my table from tea stain attacks!
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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2013, 11:01:48 pm »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
I'd only say ten of those are identical. One of them has that extra blue stuff on the back. Great for putting your hot beverage down on while reading through this forum.
When they are all covered in tea they look very much alike!

I tell you what though they do a great job of protecting my table from tea stain attacks!
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2013, 11:14:40 pm »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
I'd only say ten of those are identical. One of them has that extra blue stuff on the back. Great for putting your hot beverage down on while reading through this forum.

When they are all covered in tea they look very much alike!

I tell you what though they do a great job of protecting my table from tea stain attacks!
+1 for drinking tea instead of coffee.
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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2013, 03:49:49 am »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
I'd only say ten of those are identical. One of them has that extra blue stuff on the back. Great for putting your hot beverage down on while reading through this forum.

When they are all covered in tea they look very much alike!

I tell you what though they do a great job of protecting my table from tea stain attacks!
+1 for drinking tea instead of coffee.
Why not in addition to coffee?
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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2013, 02:04:21 pm »
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I know what I got out of Dominion

A great game plus 11 blue bordered identical coasters
I'd only say ten of those are identical. One of them has that extra blue stuff on the back. Great for putting your hot beverage down on while reading through this forum.

When they are all covered in tea they look very much alike!

I tell you what though they do a great job of protecting my table from tea stain attacks!
+1 for drinking tea instead of coffee.

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« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2013, 04:52:38 pm »
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Like Monopoly - if you get Mayfair and Park Lane, you're probably going to win. 

I'm assuming that is the UK version of Boardwalk/Park Place? If so, that analogy totally misses the mark...http://www.amnesta.net/other/monopoly/
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« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2013, 06:00:20 pm »
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I think we can all admit that troll threads  (or perceived troll threads) do liven things up around here, if only in a self-satisfied sort of way.
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« Reply #52 on: December 08, 2013, 06:13:15 pm »
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Like Monopoly - if you get Mayfair and Park Lane, you're probably going to win. 

I'm assuming that is the UK version of Boardwalk/Park Place? If so, that analogy totally misses the mark...http://www.amnesta.net/other/monopoly/

The only way to win is not to play....
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