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[Eevee]

And 2.7, you are doing great. No reason to mention your newness in all your posts, you are contributing nicely and constructively, already fitting in like you were always here!

[2.71828.....]

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: [realizing that Anakin is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Yup, and everyone opposed to the plan is scum. Out yourselves, scum.

vote: robz

[Eevee]

vote: robz

[Voltaire]

This may just be because I am new to the game, but I am uncomfortable giving free information to the mafia.

No, that's a great default approach to have.

So here's the thing. I've thought about it, and I think the doctor is pretty weak. Because if scum is shooting for scum (at least early on), then the doctor really only has a chance of accidentally saving a mafia member, right? I mean, sure, team A's reads won't necessarily mean they auto-shoot Team B, but if scum is shooting at scummy players and the doctor saves townie players that's the same as nothing really happening. Do you see what I'm saying? I'm saying it poorly.

By which I mean, here's more evidence for the doc claiming. I think we need to be careful to have at least 6 or 7 people arguing for the doctor claiming, because with only 3 or 4 we run the risk of both scum teams successfully getting our only PR to derpclaim. (for newbies: make a boneheaded mistake due to failure to think things through - or by complete accident). The doctor needs to be super-careful and we need to be super-careful not to POE him. Because what if someone like lio is the doc and they're not going to claim no matter what?

[ashersky]

I get your point, Voltaire.

The doc could unwittingly save scum from being NKed.  Might be better not to target at all.

Still support claiming.

[Voltaire]

Everybody has posted at least once. For the record for anyone doing postcounts (I plan on it but I know yuma does them too), here are the number of pre-game posts you need to take out for everyone:

14 yuma
9 ashersky
9 Voltgloss
8 liopoil
6 Archetype
5 Gveoniz
5 Robz
5 sudgy
4 e
4 Voltaire
3 faust
1 Eevee
1 NHS

[chairs]

The chest lid hung over the toys unwavering, the twin locks almost glowing in their eerie reflection of the flashlight's meager light. The toys argued amongst themselves.  "You did this, didn't you, Buzz?" yelled a voice in the crowd.  Another blamed Rex, and more than a few eyed the group of Little Green Men suspiciously. "Calm down," said Woody, but even he felt nervous.  Somewhere amongst their crowd, two pairs of troublemaking toys were on the hunt, eager to advance their own agendas - even if it meant a few toys got hurt on the way.

Vote Count 1.3:

2.71828..... (2): Voltaire, Sudgy
Faust (1): Gveoniz
Gveoniz (1): Faust
Robz888 (3): Voltgloss, 2.71828....., Eevee
Voltaire (2): ashersky, yuma

Not Voting (4): Robz888, liopoil, Archetype, NHSederholm

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Day 1 ends Monday November 11 at 8ish FT.

[chairs]

That should be Not Voting (4), sorry.  mail-mi will correct when opportunity permits (and man, I even double-checked that stuff!)

[Voltaire]

Currently I have a small town read on e, so unvote. Related to that, are there any examples of new players rolling scum with a vet I can go look at?

btw, Vote: faust

Any particular reason for this?

vote: Archetype for showing up, talking theory, and leaving.

[Gveoniz]

Currently I have a small town read on e, so unvote. Related to that, are there any examples of new players rolling scum with a vet I can go look at?

btw, Vote: faust

Any particular reason for this?

vote: Archetype for showing up, talking theory, and leaving.

I thought we were in RVS?

[Voltaire]

I thought we were in RVS?

Just checking. By getting an explanation for each vote (even if the explanation is just "RVS"), it prevents people from claiming a vote was or wasn't RVS later (this has caught scum before).

[Eevee]

Rvs isnt a desirable place to be anyways.

[faust]

Anakin Skywalker: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: [realizing that Anakin is consumed by evil and there's no reasoning with him anymore] Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Yup, and everyone opposed to the plan is scum. Out yourselves, scum.

vote: robz

Now that's what I call a solid case!

Vote: Robz

[sudgy]

E has been pretty useful, so I'll move to Vote: Robz888.

[Robz888]

Well, I'm at L-2. That's interesting.

[Voltaire]

Well, I'm at L-2. That's interesting.

It sure is. Robz voters, explain yourselves!

[faust]

I get your point, Voltaire.

The doc could unwittingly save scum from being NKed.  Might be better not to target at all.

Still support claiming.

Chances that this happens are really low though. One scum team has to correctly target the other one AND the doc has to choose that target as well. I think targeting is definitely the better choice.

Because I like math: The exact chance that this happens is 2/55 (assuming we kill a VT today, even lower else)

[faust]

Well, I'm at L-2. That's interesting.

It sure is. Robz voters, explain yourselves!

My vote is part-RVS, part-ongoing-game-reasons. Sorry that I can't say anything else.

[faust]

I get your point, Voltaire.

The doc could unwittingly save scum from being NKed.  Might be better not to target at all.

Still support claiming.

Chances that this happens are really low though. One scum team has to correctly target the other one AND the doc has to choose that target as well. I think targeting is definitely the better choice.

Because I like math: The exact chance that this happens is 2/55 (assuming we kill a VT today, even lower else)

This is obviously only true for tonight. In late-game situations with lots of scum alive, it may be better not to target. But let's hope we won't get into these situations in the first place!

[Eevee]

Well, I'm at L-2. That's interesting.

It sure is. Robz voters, explain yourselves!

Obi Wan Kenobi was pretty smart. Siths were the mafia of star wars, and Robz's play matches the sith narrative Obi Wan proposed to the dot!

[Robz888]

Well, I'm at L-2. That's interesting.

It sure is. Robz voters, explain yourselves!

Obi Wan Kenobi was pretty smart. Siths were the mafia of star wars, and Robz's play matches the sith narrative Obi Wan proposed to the dot!

Oh, well that explains it. Carry on then.

[Voltaire]

Explanations from Voltgloss and sudgy still needed then. And Voltgloss's is more of an update as he had a reason to start with.

[2.71828.....]

Explanations from Voltgloss and sudgy still needed then. And Voltgloss's is more of an update as he had a reason to start with.

You don't even ask for my reason?  (I guess using Star Wars to frame a vote does kind of make it RVS) but still....

Oh, ashersky. Sweet, wonderful ashersky. How I have missed you. Seriously.

Whatever your ridiculous plan is, I support it.

Doctor should not claim until D2. IC is useless D1.

I don't know about that, I'm beginning to think ICs are just incredibly strong always. I know from my dealings as scum in M31 and M-(Twisted was IC) that I was getting pretty sick of them.

I fully agree with ash, and think the the Doctor should claim immediately. I am totally convinced that IC is a stronger PR than Doctor anyway, and here the revelation of our IC/Doctor person will create headaches for sucm. I think they are LESS likely to kill the claimed Doctor than they are to randomly shoot an unclaimed Doctor.

That is all the content that Robz has contributed to the discussion.  I know Robz is a good player and am sure he has something to say on the doctor issue himself, but it is safer to agree with another player and let that player take the glory/fall D1.  I realize the game has only been going for about 16 hours, and there is plenty of time left "today" but for now I am content with my vote until we get at least a walk-through of why robz agrees with Ashersky's 4 points or something.

(I also know from following GoT Mafia some before this started that Robz was comfortably able to deal with the early wagon there and these early wagons rarely go anywhere since they are not based on a whole lot)

[Eevee]

(I also know from following GoT Mafia some before this started that Robz was comfortably able to deal with the early wagon there and these early wagons rarely go anywhere since they are not based on a whole lot)

Why does this make you want to vote for him more?

[Voltaire]

Explanations from Voltgloss and sudgy still needed then. And Voltgloss's is more of an update as he had a reason to start with.

You don't even ask for my reason?  (I guess using Star Wars to frame a vote does kind of make it RVS) but still....

Yes, I was able to puzzle out a reason from your post. I would maintain that Robz is wrong that all scum will oppose Doctor claiming, not that Robz himself is scum. What makes you see it differently?