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[Awaclus]

From my experience, as a trasher, count is quickly useless.

So is Chapel. That is a sign of being an extremely good trasher.

[GendoIkari]

That's nonsense, especially when different price points are concerned, but even at the same price point: opening Ironmonger over Scout is better 100% of the time.

That's not true. First off, there are always edge cases for such things. No matter what cards you are talking about or what they do, you might want card A over card B because it will make your fairgrounds or horn of plenty better if you already had card B. In your particular example, if the top 4 cards of your draw deck are all victory cards, then you would much rather have a Scout in your hand than an Ironmonger most of the time. Especially if you have a Crossroads in hand. Ridiculous, I know, but brokoli is right, there are no absolutes like that.

The only move that is right 100% of the time is "if you know you have the most victory points, and you can end the game on your turn, you should do so."

Not counting strange tournament things where it could theoretically be better for you to lose this 1 game in the long run.

[SCSN]

It might help to actually read something before you respond to it:

That's nonsense, especially when different price points are concerned, but even at the same price point: opening Ironmonger over Scout is better 100% of the time.

And no, there are no exceptions to this.

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

[GendoIkari]

It might help to actually read something before you respond to it:

That's nonsense, especially when different price points are concerned, but even at the same price point: opening Ironmonger over Scout is better 100% of the time.

And no, there are no exceptions to this.

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying and anything but insightful to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

Sorry, I indeed missed the word "opening". No need to be upset about it.

[SCSN]

It might help to actually read something before you respond to it:

That's nonsense, especially when different price points are concerned, but even at the same price point: opening Ironmonger over Scout is better 100% of the time.

And no, there are no exceptions to this.

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying and anything but insightful to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

Sorry, I indeed missed the word "opening". No need to be upset about it.

No problem, and you're right, I shouldn't be upset about it. It's just that I've seen fruitful discussions get derailed by pedantic nitpicking a little too often around here.

[pst]

It would have been seen as the Dominion: Junior expansion. Finally you can play Dominion with your kids!

[AJD]

Moat seems so direct compared to any other anti-attack reaction. It would probably be considered game-warping in a negative fashion too, until actual playtesting.

I dunno, we already do have a comparison point for Moat. I suspect people might look at Moat and say "so... it's like Lighthouse but terminal? that sounds pretty weak actually". And they'd be right!

[Powerman]

It might help to actually read something before you respond to it:

That's nonsense, especially when different price points are concerned, but even at the same price point: opening Ironmonger over Scout is better 100% of the time.

And no, there are no exceptions to this.

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

If you open Scout or Ironmonger and Warehouse, and the top 3 cards of your deck are all estates, then you'll have one more card to discard to Warehouse, and then you'll hit $6 instead of $5.

[Titandrake]

It might help to actually read something before you respond to it:

That's nonsense, especially when different price points are concerned, but even at the same price point: opening Ironmonger over Scout is better 100% of the time.

And no, there are no exceptions to this.

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

If you open Scout or Ironmonger and Warehouse, and the top 3 cards of your deck are all estates, then you'll have one more card to discard to Warehouse, and then you'll hit $6 instead of $5.

That doesn't work because you can't assume the top 3 cards of your deck are Estates. You have no way to predict how your shuffle goes, and you have an Estate in hand that could potentially go anywhere. Any way to guarantee knowing you have 3 Estates on top requires you to shuffle first, aka it'll only work for one specific deck state.

[Kirian]

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

If not for edge cases, this forum would be a lot more boring.

[markusin]

If Base set was released last:

- Library would probably be previewed.
- Moneylender would be almost universally panned for being a worse Counterfeit.
- People would try to argue why Cellar can sometimes be better than Warehouse.

[Schneau]

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

If not for edge cases, this forum would be a lot more boring useful.

FTFY

[GendoIkari]

Moreover, pointing out that there are always edge cases to anything is not only flat out wrong, it's also very annoying to people who just want to have a sensible discussion. It's like pointing out grammatical errors in the banter of your friends when you're having beer.

If not for edge cases, this forum would be a lot more boring.

Edge case: when discussing a boring edge case.

[dondon151]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

[Titandrake]

I think that there's an analog of Godwin's law for all Dominion-related threads on f.ds, but instead of nazi comparisons it's edgecases.

Pretty sure this is official now.

[Polk5440]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

Would this be a 1000 page tome composed of mostly footnotes?

[florrat]

- Moneylender would be almost universally panned for being a worse Counterfeit.

Saying that card A is worse universally worse than card B is almost never true if A is cheaper than B, especially if the cost of A is 4 and the cost of B is 5. In that case, you can always open A, but mostly not open B, which makes a huge difference. Compare Witch to Young Witch: YW is so much weaker than Witch, but it is usually strong enough to open with.

If Moneylender and Counterfeit are both on the board, I'm not sure if I always skip Moneylender for Counterfeit (in a 4/3-opening). Moneylender is a pretty strong opener: terminal silver + trashing a card is nice, and trashing early is very important. But you're right, Counterfeit does the job much better.

[Polk5440]

It would have been seen as the Dominion: Junior or expansion. Finally you can play Dominion with your kids!

This is the winner. And it would be better than Apples to Apples: Junior.

[eHalcyon]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

Would this be a 1000 page tome composed of mostly footnotes?

And the 1000th page just has this, right?




Edit: I missed a zero.

[Dsell]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

Would this be a 1000 page tome composed of mostly footnotes?

And the 100th page just has this, right?

Why would it have Last_Footn...oh.

[sudgy]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

Would this be a 1000 page tome composed of mostly footnotes?

And the 100th page just has this, right?

Why not the 1000th page?  It's the last one, not the 100th...

[eHalcyon]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

Would this be a 1000 page tome composed of mostly footnotes?

And the 100th page just has this, right?

Why not the 1000th page?  It's the last one, not the 100th...

Typo!  Fixed.

[michaeljb]

Pink Elephants and Blue Dogs: How Confusing Rules and Edge Cases Enhanced My Understanding of Dominion

Would this be a 1000 page tome composed of mostly footnotes?

And the 100th page just has this, right?

Why would it have Last_Footn...oh.

I like that "Ill-Gotten Gains" isn't necessarily the first thing that comes to mind.

[markusin]

- Moneylender would be almost universally panned for being a worse Counterfeit.

Saying that card A is worse universally worse than card B is almost never true if A is cheaper than B, especially if the cost of A is 4 and the cost of B is 5. In that case, you can always open A, but mostly not open B, which makes a huge difference. Compare Witch to Young Witch: YW is so much weaker than Witch, but it is usually strong enough to open with.

If Moneylender and Counterfeit are both on the board, I'm not sure if I always skip Moneylender for Counterfeit (in a 4/3-opening). Moneylender is a pretty strong opener: terminal silver + trashing a card is nice, and trashing early is very important. But you're right, Counterfeit does the job much better.

Saying Moneylender is worse than Counterfeit is even more unfair than saying Cellar is Worse than Warehouse, given the significance of the 4$ to 5$ jump.

To be clear, I merely suggested that it would be anyway, not that it is in fact worse than Counterfeit. In fact, I really like Moneylender, but it's almost embarrassing that Counterfeit is almost strictly better once in your deck.

[Warfreak2]

Well, Moneylender isn't a very good card, so it's fine for there to be a strictly better version at $5. Cartographer is almost strictly better than Scout.