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[Voltaire]

is sudgy L-1?

No, he fell down to L-3 somehow I think. Super-surprised by that.

[theorel]

Um...probably because it's several thoughts together.
I find nkirbit a little scummy.  His overall play seems "off".  Going from "whole case on sudgy is neutral" to contradiction->vote, to contradiction explained->unvote, it's all neutral again, popping onto xerxes for voting ash, then popping onto sudgy for "panicking", finally sudgy-vote confirmed because he said nkirbit's vote "made sense".

I also disagree with him on a couple of his points regarding sudgy:

I disagree on the panicking thing.  I think town often gets bogged down in defending themselves, while scum is often on the lookout for an alternate lynch.  Any lynch which isn't a scum-mate is good for scum, while town doesn't particularly want to deflect onto another townie.  If there were another wagon out there, I would expect sudgy to be on it, because they have a higher chance of being scum.  But no one's really found a compelling case outside of sudgy (by which I mean one that's caught on) to call sudgy scum for his inability to do so seems wrong.  It's not like he hasn't been voting or giving reads, he's just not finding a compelling case.

The "confirmation" thing I think is misplaced also.  I mean, any reaction to a vote can fit a scum-tell.  "You're voting me for terrible reasons" fits the scum-tell of scum that's caught for what they view as bad reasons.  "You're voting me for good reasons" fits the scum-tell of scum that can't really defend itself, so acknowledges the case in hopes of it disappearing. 

I don't think calling out someone voting for you for good reasons actually fits the "voting for good reasons" scum-tell.  That scum-tell is usually more along the lines of "I acknowledge the overall case against me, I just think it's wrong".  Sudgy is largely in the first "scum-tell" camp.  Calling out one prosecutor to say "you make sense" doesn't achieve the desired result of acknowledging the suspicion against you.

If anything it's just still part of the first scum-tell.  i.e. scum-sudgy views the wagon on him as existing for "bad reasons", but acknowledges that at least one person has gotten a "good reason".  To me it just stops being scummy at that point.  It's not part of a scum-narrative any more, it's part of a reasonable reactions narrative.

As a result, I don't find nkirbit's reasons for voting compelling.  But ultimately, that's not why I'm voting for him.  The reason for my voting is because the line of activity seems off to me...jumpy maybe?  Wanting to be on the wagon, but worried about joining it for the "wrong reason"?  I think that's the gist of it.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.yuma.3

chairs (1): sudgy
sudgy (4): Twistedarcher, chairs, yuma, nkirbit
ashersky (2): XerxesPraelor, Voltaire
XerxesPraelor (1): Eevee
Voltaire (2): Robz888, Ashersky
Eevee (1): Mail-mi
nkirbit (1): theorel

Not Voting (1): Galzria

volt... I don't think your vote is on sudgy... I think it is still on ashersky... At least according to the last vote count

[Eevee]

vote: sudgy

[Voltaire]

volt... I don't think your vote is on sudgy... I think it is still on ashersky... At least according to the last vote count

you're totally right. I'm part of the reason he fell to L-3. 

vote: sudgy. That's L-2 now.

PPE: L-1 ON SUDGY *flashing sirens*

[theorel]

@yuma: I think you're seeing the effect of me being in 2 games at once, rather than anything alignment related.  I will not be doing that again.

[yuma]

@yuma: I think you're seeing the effect of me being in 2 games at once, rather than anything alignment related.  I will not be doing that again.

That is true, I had forgotten about that in regard to your posting. That doesn't negate how I feel you are toeing the line regarding sudgy, but I am willing to give you some leeway for being in both games.

[Voltaire]

@yuma: I think you're seeing the effect of me being in 2 games at once, rather than anything alignment related.  I will not be doing that again.

This for me too, btw.

[Robz888]

post count!

1. Eevee - 13
2. Robz888 - 120
3. Ashersky - 232
4. Voltaire - 88
5. Yuma - 101
6. Twistedarcher - 55
7. Theorel - 35
8. Sudgy - 148
9. Mail-Mi - 50
10. Chairs - 22
11. Nkirbit - 39
12. Xerxes - 11
13. Galzria - 52

Do I really have 120 posts???

[Robz888]

Just checked. The above is wrong. I only have 60 posts.

[Robz888]

And ash only has 116.

Yeah, scrap the above post count, please.

[Voltaire]

And ash only has 116.

Yeah, scrap the above post count, please.

Yuma likely did a CTRL+F for usernames, and that will double-count anyone who lists the same name for goko and isotropic.

[yuma]

And ash only has 116.

Yeah, scrap the above post count, please.

Yuma likely did a CTRL+F for usernames, and that will double-count anyone who lists the same name for goko and isotropic.

Sorry, I normally do a print screen and then do a count, which eliminates the "username" issue... (seriously why do people still list their isotropic username???) but I had trouble loading the printscreen so went with the other route, which counted some individuals double... thanks for correcting that.

[sudgy]

This is the worst time to go V/LA.  Check the V/LA thread for what it is.  I will be back late Saturday, so at the least, please don't lynch me until then.

Robz has gone lower on my scumreads, because his recent activity makes sense.

That leaves chairs, eevee, and mail-mi.  I would be fine voting for any of those.  How many other people want to vote one of them?  I have an hour before I go, and I want my vote to be somewhere useful.

PPE: yuma, I'm also wrong I think.

[Voltaire]

Sudgy, of what you listed, I would be most comfortable with you parking your vote on chairs.

[yuma]

This is the worst time to go V/LA.  Check the V/LA thread for what it is.  I will be back late Saturday, so at the least, please don't lynch me until then.

Uhhh...... Don't lynch you before the deadline:

Day 1 ends on Saturday October, 19 at 8:00 p.m. Forum time.[/color][/b]

Yeah... we will just wait until after the deadline to lynch you...

[yuma]

I think we need to consider having sudgy think about claiming before leaving as he won't be back until deadline is on top of us...

[Twistedarcher]

I think Sudgy should claim if there's someone out there willing to hammer.

[sudgy]

Crap, thought the deadline was Sunday...

[yuma]

I know that ash is willing to vote for sudgy... he was on him... so that might be considered "intent to hammer"

[yuma]

I know that ash is willing to vote for sudgy... he was on him... so that might be considered "intent to hammer"

But ash won't be online until ~ 5 pm forum time...

[mcmcsalot]

I see not everyone is participating in our meeting, a request for immediate attendance has been sent.

Vote Count 1.11:

chairs (2): theorel, sudgy
sudgy (6): Twistedarcher, chairs, yuma, Nkirbit, Eevee, Voltaire
ashersky (1): XerxesPraelor
Voltaire (2): Robz888, Ashersky
Eevee (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): Galzria

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on October, 19 at 8:00 p.m. Forum time.

[yuma]

seriously gusy... sudgy leaves in less than an hour and won't be back until ~ deadline... we need to talk about this...

IC Galz... this is probably where we want an IC to... you know... direct us... maybe...

[Twistedarcher]

I still think Sudgy is scum, and I will leave my vote there. I doubt a claim will do any good for me personally, like if he claims cop I am sure I will think he's scum fakeclaiming rather than an actual cop. That's the difficulty with D1 claims.

He should definitely claim before he goes, I guess, since I don't see the wagon dissolving without a good reason.

[sudgy]

Well, I'm a VT.  Yay.